Batum Watch - Season 6
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/16/2013 11:35 AM

    Another bad game for Parker:

    Tony Parker's line: 10 points, 0 rebounds, 5 assists, 0 blocks, 1 steal, 2 turnover, 4-for-12 shooting, 0-for-3 three-point shooting.

    ANOTHER LOSS FOR FRANCE

    Go troll SA forums if you aren't going to stay at rehab. 

  1. riverman
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    Posted 09/16/2013 12:24 PM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 09/16/2013 11:35 AM

    Another bad game for Parker:

    Tony Parker's line: 10 points, 0 rebounds, 5 assists, 0 blocks, 1 steal, 2 turnover, 4-for-12 shooting, 0-for-3 three-point shooting.

    ANOTHER LOSS FOR FRANCE

    Go troll SA forums if you aren't going to stay at rehab. 

    I was about to make the same point here, 3 Spurs players on the french nat'l team. Also some perspective on euro ball...Joel Freeland was dominating the 5 position in euro ball last time and he even crushed Nene in a game. In the NBA..different player so far. Louis Scola has won the MVP of the FIBA games a couple of times and in the NBA he's trade fodder. After watching a couple of FIBA games he difference in the game is pretty big. They also get away with some serious fouling that wouldn't fly in the NBA.

    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 09/16/2013 2:10 PM

    Playing devil's advocate here, Tony Parker isn't a Blazer and isn't the subject of this thread and Scola has been made to look like an All-Star every time he plays our Blazers.  Only now, at this point in his career, has he become trade fodder.  


    Ben Golliver is a reputable writer with local ties.

    I am a fan of players that play with PASSION and PRIDE
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/16/2013 6:49 PM

    Posted By BDawg on 09/16/2013 2:10 PM

    Playing devil's advocate here, Tony Parker isn't a Blazer and isn't the subject of this thread and Scola has been made to look like an All-Star every time he plays our Blazers.  Only now, at this point in his career, has he become trade fodder.  

    Ben Golliver is a reputable writer with local ties.


    Tony Parker isn't a Blazer... like BlazerManiac isn't a Blazer fan.  His entire premise in this thread and every other thread before it is "Batum suks, has not balls, no heart, trade him for anyone....".   His opinions are garbage.

     

     

    As for Ben Golliver, there is a site one can go to if they wish to read "Ben Golliver".   Not sure if "Ben Golliver" is cool with posting his entire article on someone else's site.  Might be a great question to ask a Moderator.  Anyone seen a moderator around here?

  1. commontongue
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    Posted 09/16/2013 9:02 PM

    Batum is going to be just fine despite the haters. The Blazers are going to be just fine despite the haters. We will have a better season and a better record despite the haters. Im a Blazer Fan despite the haters. Haters are going to hate whether we contend or not because thats what they do.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/17/2013 8:38 AM

     

    As have been multiple times on this board, don't confuse criticalness of a player as hating the player or the team.

     

    I have said all long I hope Batum will succeed, however with that being said, and history being a pretty good guage of future performance, do I think he will, probably not, but I hope he does.

     

    I am a died hard Blazer fan I have been following them since 1970 when Harry Glickman brought them into the League and when Rolland Todd was their coach (that was awful).  So do not ever question again, anyone's loyalty to the team, especially mine.

     

    Over the years, I have been critical of players on my favorite teams.  Such as Dave Krieg of the Seahawks (I still did not understand why he was QB,probably because there was no one better).

     

    If this wants to be a Batum Lover Board where his overall play is not discussed and examined, great so be it, you are only fooling yourself into the player you want him to be (his potential) not what he is really doing.

     

    I hope he succeeds, but I am tired of being stereotyped as a team Hater, Batum Hater, anything that does not meet Batum Lovers view of what I or other people are saying about him.   

     

    I AM NOT A BATUM HATER OR BLAZER HATER -

     

    Did I make myself clear?

     

     

     

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 09/17/2013 10:22 AM

    Can Nic Batum improve? Yes he can. We all could at 24 years of age. Last season the boards were overwhelmingly filled with Batum bashing and very little balance in the subject matter on the boards. Over the summer I've seen that change with more fans showing support for Nic,Lamarcus, Stotts, Olshey and Paul Allen. I have no problem with constructive critique of any player on the team. I've been as guilty of anyone at bashing Raymond Felton, Steve Blake (in the past) and Nolan Smith. I was really ticked off when we lost Dre to Denver and when Roy jumped ship 1 day before training camp. The starting core of this version of the Blazers is really solid. Fans are expressing optimism and building a culture of support for the team that had been fragmented from the Oden-Roy meltdown. I've noticed more positive subject matter this off season than there has been in ages. We all share a common ground as Blazer fans here. You can be the best band on earth, but if two people in the crowd boo all night, the momentum dies. Blazer fans have been called "6" man of the team. The 6 man contributes to success and we all want success. Go Blazers!
    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/17/2013 11:42 AM

    Your point would have been better served riverman if anyone was actually playing right now it is still the off season so the booing while maybe annoying to some does not impact the performance. As long as everyone cheers for the team they put out on the court then it is all good. 


    Maniac I understand your frustration but come on man at least in a few posts talk about what Batum can do to improve. He will not play like Wesley Matthews nor is he expected to so get over that. 


    Personally, I want to see Batum move more without the ball. He has become stagnant on offense relying heavily on three point shots that is not going to get it done. By throwing in a few back door cuts Batum should be able to find a few extra scoring opportunities per game. 


    Passing wise he was solid last year but he needs to leave his feet less when passing that would cut down on his turnovers. 


    Those are some small things he could do to improve because as much as I would love to see it his play is not going to become aggressive and physical likely ever. He is a finesse player and I can live with that but he like every member of the team needs to improve their game.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/17/2013 12:14 PM

     

     

    I would like to see him improve driving to the Lane.  Becuase of his quickness, opponent defense typically collapse on him, and with his passing he can dish off to Lopez, LMA, or kick out to Damian or Wes. When he is agressive, he is unstoppable.  That was about 80% of the first half of last season.

     

    Somewhere it is in him to do that no matter what the circumstances are, or if he has a minor injury.  That is what I would like to see him improve.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/17/2013 4:30 PM

    playing through injuries is something not a lot of people do well. Kobe and Iverson were like the best I have ever seen at it. 


    with a real bench hopefully Batum will feel confident enough to sit down if he is injured and not being effective.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/17/2013 9:38 PM

     

     

    That would be nice.  You forgot about how JJ and Wes can play through minor injuries.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/17/2013 10:00 PM

    Stay on topic Batum Watch not Matthews or Hickson Watch

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/19/2013 8:22 PM

    France played the home country team in the 1st game that mattered.  Where's the full page articles about how terrible Batum was?

     

    Pretty weak trolls.  Pretty weak.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/20/2013 8:09 AM

     

     

    Game 7 yes he played good

    Euro Basket

    14 or more - 2 Wins - 0 Losses

    Less than 14 points 2-wins, 2 losses and 1 DNP

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/20/2013 9:07 AM

     

    As I have said BF I do not hate Batum, I praise him when he plays good.

     

    If his game is on and plays "Consistently" for 2013-2014 we could have a chance at going deep in the playoffs.

     

    The win-loss stats prove that when he is on his game the Blazers win.  When he is not they lost twice as many games as they win.

     

    He has talent, his goal should be to play up to his talent potential 90% of the games, and if he does that with the talent and bench we now have, who knows how far into the playoffs we will go.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/20/2013 2:03 PM

    You do not praise Batum when he plays well.

    "Game 7 yes he played good

    Euro Basket

    14 or more - 2 Wins - 0 Losses

    Less than 14 points 2-wins, 2 losses and 1 DNP"

     

    This is hardly praise, but it is by far the "best" you have said about Batum, a back-handed compliment after I point out your "consistant" trolling.

     

    Your favorite blogger Dave on that other site (who is only your favorite when his critique of Batum is not positive)  rated Batum's performance vs Slovinia an 8 (out of 10 - NBA All-Star lvl); a 9 had he shot a bit better.  What was your perception of yet another game you did not watch?  He played "good"... but he's still terrible over-all.

     

    It's really unfortunate that your posts express a lack of appriciation or even a fundimental understanding of what Batum does for teams, or that Basketball skill is much more than individual scoring.  The Blazers don't win or lose based on Batum scoring.

     

    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists(2012-13):
    Lebron, Durant, Batum, Iguodala, Kobe, Pierce, Westbrook, and Evan Turner

     

    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists/80 blocks(2012-13):
    Durant and Batum

     

    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists/150 made 3pts(2012-13):
    Batum

     

    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists/50 blocks/50 steals(2012-13):
    Lebron, Durant, Batum and Iguodala

     

    Players who averaged 14 ppg/5rpg/4.9apg:
    Lebron, Kobe, Batum, and Westbrook

    -  Kobe and Wesbrook had less than 25 blocks, while Batum had 83 blocks.
    -  Kobe and Westbrook had more than 270 turnovers, while Batum had 190 turnovers.

     

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/20/2013 2:26 PM

    France beats Spain in OT to move on to the Euro Finals

     

    Batum got into foul trouble and was taken out of the game completely for extended minutes, which is a big reason why I think Euro ball is worse than US college ball. He also stood in the corner for most possession, which drew an instant parallel to the BRoy/Nate McMillian style offense. Batum could, and should, shoot the ball better, but if you actually watched the games, you'd see how Batum created opportunity after opportunity that his out-matched (if not inferior) teamates too often failed to convert on.

     

    THREE clutch defensive plays that allowed Frace to come from behind in OT over a stacked Spanish team (Gasol, Calderon, Rubio, Fernandez, Rodriguez, Claver...all NBA caliber players), and none credited to Batum on the stats sheet:

    Stole the ball from Gasol and forced a 24 second violation.

    Got a deflection that was tipped to France for a steal.

    Closed out on a corner 3 pointer that ended up an air ball.

     

    You can pout and drone on about scroing all you want, but it's a fact that the Blazers are better with ANY version of Batum (20pt scorer, or "everything else" guy).  Stotts said it best when asked about Batum last season, "I can't afford to take him off the court.  He's too valuable."

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/21/2013 2:07 PM

    My apologies to everyone on this board for my recent behavior, and distracting from the importance of this forum in sharing opinions and respecting each other opinions whether you agree with them or not.  There are many important issues facing the Blazers and the most important is to make sure we have a solid team around Aldridge so he has the chance of winning a ring in Portland.

     

    My views of Batum are not liked by some on this board which is ok.  What is not OK is how “I” behaved when those responses to my critic of his performance turned to a personal nature toward me.

     

    I love the Blazers and everything about the Blazers.  I have a Lloyd Neal jersey of which I wear proudly.  “Bottom” was my all-time favorite Blazer as he was a class player both on and off the court. (I do not why I brought hat up).

     

    As I have said multiple times, I do not hate Batum, I just wish he would play to his full potential every game.  When he does the team stands a better chance of winning then when he is off.

     

    With the season approaching and more important things going on my life, I am going to step away and let BDAWG and every other writers who critic Batum take the heat.  My plan is to check in (but not post) every now and then, and enjoy the Blazers deep run into the playoffs.

     

    I wish the Blazers and Batum a great (and consistent) season.

     

    GO BLAZERS.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/21/2013 2:10 PM

     

     

    cmeese47

     

    Thanks for the advice

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/22/2013 2:53 PM

    Batum wins GOLD

    17 pts 6 reb 1 ast 2 stl 1 blk 1 to  +18 in 36 min.

     

    BATUUUUUUUUMMMMMSHAKALAKA!!!!

  1. Simpson
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    Posted 09/22/2013 4:57 PM

    GGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLD!!! :)

    I am a fan of OUR Blazers!
  1. Mieke Appel
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    Posted 09/23/2013 5:54 PM

    'm so glad that the Batum bashing is going to stop.  By the way congratulations to Nic for being the lead scorer and player for France and for winning the F"IFA Trophy last night.  It was fun to watch.  Congrats Nic.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/23/2013 7:15 PM

    It was a nice bounce back game and a good win after a up and down tournament.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 09/24/2013 9:52 AM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 09/06/2013 9:37 PM

    seems like you care more about fantasy stats with this reply than anything else. i can throw those up as well. but i dont really feel the need to as anyone can go look up the stats of every player in the nba and compare. the interwebz is a special place. wont do the work for you if STATS is really what you care for.

    as far as the rest of your post? dont really believe my post to be anti-batum rhetoric. but you can choose to take it as you should.

    i find it too lazy to be comical that batum continually gets a pass for his inconsistent play. but i feel like i'm repeating myself again. yeesh blazer forums.

     

    mike and mike. worse announcers in the NBA.

    If you bother to read even half of what I've written the entire thread, you would see that you are taking my response out of context, and creating a false argument.  The point I was making was based on sample size.  I can use a small sample size to try and prove just about anything, just as the invidivual did regarding K. Leonard's performance in the NBA finals.  Basing Batum's value on 2 tripple doubles is hardly any different than basing K. Leonard's value on a few play-off games.

     

    Saying Batum is an average SF at best, is a dumb statement.  As dumb as saying that Batum has not lacked consistancy.  Dumber still, creating a straw man argument that if anyone says that to trade Batum would be a bad move for the Blazers, that they are saying Batum is without faults.  And simply inexcusably dumb, saying Batum doesn't have balls.  Clearly, Batum has balls, is an above average SF, has lacked consistancy, and would leave a significant hole in Portlands play-off aspirations that few other SFs could fill.

     

    I don't give Batum a pass for his deficiencies or poor play.  He is one of the best SF in the NBA.  And making near weekly threads that slight Batum are indicative of a 1st class troll, not a Blazer fan.

    really do have a problem with you calling me a troll when all i say is fact. please do show me where I'VE created near weekly threads about anyone. any forum. anyone.

    i rarely visit places like this because of people like you. don't like their illogical statements being used back at them so they call people a 1st class troll.

    if you would like to talk BASKETBALL. I'd be welcome to that. but if you're going to keep calling me a troll... then i guess it makes little point to keep replying to someone so blind. glhf.


    in no order.

    deng

    james

    melo

    barnes

    durant

    gay

    granger

    pierce

    butler

    leonard

    are all better better than batum. if you wish to take butler/barnes/leonard off the list fine. can be debated one way or another for those three.

    BUT that's it. leaves 7 SMALL forwards better than batum.

    with that said. those are the elite/above average small forwards in the game. everyone below those SEVEN. are average.

    To be elite you have to be consistent, in the NBA. Euro basketball does not count. Nothing he does in the Euro league really matters. 

    Give me 70 games this year that Batum is consistent, in something other than being inconsistent, and he has a chance to be elite. Otherwise come the off season. Same-things will happen.

    Being in the top 10 =/= elite or above average.

     

    I'm sorry if you don't agree, and I'm sure you'll find someway to attack my post and call me a troll, dumb, or something to that like. Rather than talk about basketball. But that's okay. I cant expect anything less from someone who I can only assume is drinking announcer cool-aid.

    Yes I attacked you in this post because frankly. you deserved it for not talking about basketball.

    glhf. prolly gone for 2 weeks. having a career is so annoying. gah being an adult -.- sucks.

    I am a fan of defence.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/24/2013 1:45 PM

    Oh my dear Brandon Weinant,

    Not everything is about you Narcissus, take it easy. ; )

     

    BlazerManiac and cmeese are the one's who troll this board constantly with "trade batum" rhetoric. If you agree with them, it's ok. No need to appoligize for a basketball related opinion. I don't see YOU, Brandon Weinant, posting the same unsubstanciated opinion, thread after thread, which is what makes it trolling. You so seem to take general statements and assume they apply to you when then don't, then take offense. If you are not posting the same crap, trashing blazer players ad nausium, then why so serious?  If it doesn't apply to you, then spare yourself the "I'm an adult with a career" nonsense. Maybe tell us how much money you make next, and be sure to complain how other people aren't sticking to basketball. You are a piece of... work. Bless your heart. I digress.

     

     

    "Being in the top 10 =/= elite or above average." You then narrow it down to 7. So, 30 teams... nvm. lol

     

    To say Batum is not above average is to say you take issue with math, not me or my opinion. No need to appoligize for an opinion or perception, but maybe you owe your Math teachers an apology.

     

    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists(2012-13):
    Lebron, Durant, Batum, Iguodala, Kobe, Pierce, Westbrook, and Evan Turner.
    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists/80 blocks(2012-13):
    Durant and Batum.
    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists/150 made 3pts(2012-13):
    Batum.
    Players with 400 rebounds/350 assists/50 blocks/50 steals(2012-13):
    Lebron, Durant, Batum and Iguodala.
    Players who averaged 14 ppg/5rpg/4.9apg:
    Lebron, Kobe, Batum, and Westbrook.
    (Kobe and Wesbrook had less than 25 blocks, while Batum had 83 blocks).
    (Kobe and Westbrook had more than 270 turnovers, while Batum had 190 turnovers.)

     

    You need to read this: http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/7/30/4570500/an-empirical-comparison-of-nicolas-batum-to-other-starting-small

     

     

    Batum is not statistically more inconsistant than his peers: Iguodala, Gallinari, Deng, Gay. I don't know if you work with standard deviation in your career, but it would help to have an understand of it before reading the above analysis.

     

     

    I don't feel attacked, but feel free to say whatever makes you feel better. It doesn't bother me how deep you dig your hole. "Announcer cool-aid"? What flavor? Sounds yummy.

  1. blazersforever77
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    Posted 09/26/2013 12:04 PM

    I am a first time poster on this forum and would like to give my two bits on this issue.  After reading what Dave posted on Blazers Edge I agree that Batum is a very polarizing player and I can see both sides of the issue, so I want to post the same thing on this site as I did on Blazers Edge.

     

    IT IS ALL ABOUT WINS AND LOSSES - and a players contribution to helping the team win.

    The whole purpose of being a NBA Player is to help your team win games. Apparently most people can justify Batum’s existence on the team by digging down deep into his stats to justify how great a player he is. For the last two years I have been on the fence about Batum and whether or not the Blazer’s should package him with other players and get someone who has the same “bring it every game” like Jerome Kersey and Buck Williams.

    Now this brings me to my next point. I have not had the time to verify the person who posed the question; if Batum scores less than 14 points in a game that the Blazers lose twice as many games as we win. If that is the case then I think the Trade Package makes more and more sense. Looking at it objectively, Batum is at most an average SF at best. He plays when he wants to. He has mastered one thing, his inconsistent play. But, do the flashes of brilliance justify his existence on the team. When I see them, I say yes, then he disappears for a few games and I want him gone.

    That is why I am on the fence. Is Batum polarizing, very much so! Those who want him gone are accused of not being a Blazer fan. I do not know what kind of argument that is, but in my opinion, that is ludicrous.

    Remember folks it is about wins and losses. In the games France lost, where was he? In the games France one, he was there. The question does make a valid point.

    Great analysis Dave.

     

     

    I am a fan of I love Wes Matthews Heart for the Game
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/26/2013 12:40 PM

    Of course it is all about wins and losses last two years those numbers have not came. 


    If Batum gives us more of the same but we win then good if we fail to win then by all means consider moving him for someone else who might get it done in the Wins column.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/26/2013 1:10 PM

    Posted By blazersforever77 on 09/26/2013 12:04 PM

    I am a first time poster on this forum and would like to give my two bits on this issue.  After reading what Dave posted on Blazers Edge I agree that Batum is a very polarizing player and I can see both sides of the issue, so I want to post the same thing on this site as I did on Blazers Edge.

     

    IT IS ALL ABOUT WINS AND LOSSES - and a players contribution to helping the team win.

    The whole purpose of being a NBA Player is to help your team win games. Apparently most people can justify Batum’s existence on the team by digging down deep into his stats to justify how great a player he is. For the last two years I have been on the fence about Batum and whether or not the Blazer’s should package him with other players and get someone who has the same “bring it every game” like Jerome Kersey and Buck Williams.

     

    Now this brings me to my next point. I have not had the time to verify the person who posed the question; if Batum scores less than 14 points in a game that the Blazers lose twice as many games as we win. If that is the case then I think the Trade Package makes more and more sense. Looking at it objectively, Batum is at most an average SF at best. He plays when he wants to. He has mastered one thing, his inconsistent play. But, do the flashes of brilliance justify his existence on the team. When I see them, I say yes, then he disappears for a few games and I want him gone.

     

    That is why I am on the fence. Is Batum polarizing, very much so! Those who want him gone are accused of not being a Blazer fan. I do not know what kind of argument that is, but in my opinion, that is ludicrous.

     

    Remember folks it is about wins and losses. In the games France lost, where was he? In the games France one, he was there. The question does make a valid point.

     

    Great analysis Dave.

     

     

    IT IS ALL ABOUT WINS AND LOSSES - and a players contribution to helping the team win.

    Ultimately yes.  And how is that soley Batum's fault?  How soon we forget Portland had no bench, no center, a rookie PG.  It's really quite amazing the vitriol (not that it's coming for you per say) directed at one player.  It's a team game.  $11 mil for Batum is a good deal when you look at the market.  I just hear shouting for more wins.  I don't get a sense that the solution provided by some fans to increase wins is overly and wrongly simplistic.

     

    Looking at it objectively, Batum is at most an average SF at best.

    The stats simply do not support that.  Cherry picking here or there doesn't server to explain what it is that Batum does that most SFs in the NBA simply don't out perform.

     

    If Batum scores less than 14 points in a game that the Blazers lose twice as many games as we win.

    The corriliation between Batum scoring 14 or more and 14 or less is weak.  There are simply too many varriables to make such an unfounded claim.

     

    Define: "trade package"?

    If you could please explain how that trade works, how any and all teams participate and why, and how that makes Portland bettter, I'm all ears (eyes).  If not, then how is a trade really a solution?

     

    Those who want him gone are accused of not being a Blazer fan...

    This is not true.  Even though I would argue this is an uninformed opinion, if not simply that I strongly disagree, its the reasons a "fan" want players traded and how they go about expressing it.   Someone who posts a new thread nearly every week that Batum has no balls, is an infamatory knucklehead at best, but I don't think that qualifies as them as being a Blazer fan.  And I wouldn't be surprised to see them show up in a childerens Laker jersey at the Blazer game.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/26/2013 1:48 PM


    I love trade packages so please share.
    Also while I am not completely sold on the scoring correlation with wins and losses it seems quite plausible considering the state of our bench lastyear. Btw welcome to the boards.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. blazersforever77
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    Posted 09/26/2013 2:11 PM

     

    Charlotte is in need of an upgrade st SF and I know Al Jefferson has a substantial deal.

    Batum and possibly Lopez, for Al Jefferson.  Salaries are relatively the same.

     

    I really like Al Jefferson and he would show LMA that we are serious about getting a contender.

    We move Claver into the #2 small forward position behind Dorrel Wright.

    PF - LMA/Robinson

    Center - Jefferson/Leonard

    PG - Lillard/Williams

    SG - Matthews/McCollum

    SF - Wright/Claver

     

    Just dreaming!

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 09/26/2013 7:43 PM




    Flag posts if you think they break the rules then get back to this discussion.


    On topic, I like Jefferson but I really do not see much of an upgrade in the trade, I think the biggest thing we need is Leonard to step up and earn some playing time.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. blazersforever77
    blazersforever77
    Posts: 3

    Posted 10/03/2013 8:07 AM

     

    I think he said this going into Training Camp last year

    I hope he will keep his word and lead by example.

    Great Article Below:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/10/trail_blazers_nicolas_batum.html

     

    Trail Blazers' Nicolas Batum enters season with new purpose, with an assist from Tony Parker

    In part to set an example for his young teammates, Nicolas Batum finishes first during a post-practice conditioning drill during the opening day of the Blazers' training camp. (Bruce Ely/The Oregonian)

    By Joe Freeman | jfreeman@oregonian.comThe Oregonian
    on October 01, 2013 at 7:03 PM, updated October 02, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    ·         For Trail Blazers coach Terry Stotts, more roster depth brings greater versatility

    ·         Trail Blazers rundown: Lottery pick CJ McCollum will have to earn his minutes

    ·         Trail Blazers' Nicolas Batum enters season with new purpose, with an assist from Tony Parker

    ·         A lot of energy and 'high intensity' at Trail Blazers' first practice of the season (video)

    ·         Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen: 'I hope the fans are as excited as I am'

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    It was a little after midnight when the knock on the hotel door arrived. Nicolas Batum was tired. He was frustrated. He was anxious. And he was just about ready to call it a night.

    But it was the evening before the European Championship title game and it was a curious time for a visit, so Batum swung open the door to see who was standing outside his room in Ljubljana, Slovenia. Staring back at him was Tony Parker, his teammate on the French national team and one of the NBA's premier point guards. Batum's friend wanted to chat.

    "I had messed up in the semifinals — had a baaaad game — and he came to me before the final," Batum said, recalling the unexpected face-to-face. "He said, 'Tomorrow's game is going to be your game. We need you. If we're going to win, you've got to lead us.' When a guy like that comes to you, before the biggest game of your life, and says 'you have to show the way, you have to be the man,' it gives you a lot of confidence."

    It was the latest in a long line of mentoring moments by Parker, and it was perhaps the most meaningful. A day later Batum answered the challenge, recording a team-high 17 points, six rebounds and two steals — while playing tenacious defense — as France beat Lithuania 80-66to claim its first major championship. Afterward, Batum slipped a gold medal around his neck and posed for photos as confetti fell from the rafters, soaking up what he called the best basketball experience of his life.

    Before Batum knew it, he was meeting throngs of giddy fans in French airports, visiting France's president, Francois Hollande, and preparing to fly back to Portland for the NBA season. And as he flew across the globe last week to start his sixth season with the Trail Blazers, Batum brought more than that shiny gold medal back with him. He brought a new purpose. A new perspective. A new resolve. Parker and that championship may have just changed the Blazers' small forward forever.

    • • •

    About this time last season, Batum was embroiled in drama. After a contentious free agent negotiation period, he signed a lucrative new contractand, with it, felt pressure to justify the money. His cure-all was simple: He'd use individual production as a benchmark for success, and pledged to average at least 15 points, five assists and five rebounds per game.

    By the end of the season, he came darn close, registering career highs in scoring (14.3 points), rebounding (5.6), assists (4.9), three-pointers (165), blocks (83) and steals (91), while registering two triple-doubles. He became the fourth player in NBA history to record at least 100 three-pointers, 350 assists and 80 blocks in a season, joining LeBron James, Scottie Pippen and Kevin Durant. Who knows how special Batum's season would have been if he hadn't injured his right wrist in January?

    But something was missing amid all the individual success. The Blazers finished 33-49 and failed to make the playoffs for the second consecutive season. The Blazers reached the postseason during each of the Batum's first three seasons in the NBA, and he had taken that success for granted, assuming it would always be that way.

    Trail Blazers media day 2013: Nicolas BatumTrail Blazers forward Nicolas Batum talks about the new additions to the roster, his role as an X-factor and what he learned from winning the European championship.

    Flash forward to that flight last week. By the time he landed in Portland, Batumhad adopted a new mindset.

    "It's all about the team," Batum said. "That's what I really learned this summer. I knew that I could be the best wing in the tournament in Europe, but I was really focused about the team. I didn't really care about my numbers. If we all do that (with the Blazers), we'll all have great seasons. The numbers will be there. The recognition will be there. The individual rewards will be there. And we'll make the playoffs.

    "I like France. But I don't need to visit as early as I have the last two years. I want to be in the playoffs."

    It's a subtle, yet important display of maturity that comes with six years of NBA experience —and the spoils of a European championship. It's also the influence of Parker.

    • • •

    Batum said Parker was in his ear every day as the French national team marched toward its EuroBasket title, offering wisdom, advice and guidance. Parker told Batum his stint leading Team France was nearing an end and it was time for a new generation— led by Batum — to take over. Parker's messages were both ordinary and profound during their daily chats, but Batum says the most prophetic involved leadership. Batum is no longer a 19-year-old first-year player — on the French national team or in the NBA — and Parker urged Batum to take ownership of his actions in practices, games and in his words.

    "Everything you do, the young guys are going to do the same— you're an example now," Batum said, relaying Parker's message. "Even though I'm only 24, this is my sixth year. So if I do something and (LaMarcus Aldridge) do something and Wesley (Matthews) and Damian (Lillard) do something bad, the young guys are going to be like, 'Yeah, if he do it, I do it, too.'

    "So I can't be late. I can't be lazy on defense. I've got to talk. I've got to be the first one on the floor to get the ball. I've got to be the first one to chase a rebound."

    And sure enough, when the Blazers were running post-practice sprints at the end of the opening day of training camp, it was Batum at the head of the pack in his drills, finishing first, leading the way. As GM Neil Olshey sat courtside watching it all at the practice facility, he surely had a smile on his face.

    View full sizeNicolas Batum with his European Championship gold medal.Sean Meagher/The Oregonian

    "I think Nic is the X-factor," Olshey said of the Blazers' season. "I think he can be as good as almost any small forward in the Western Conference. Coming off EuroBasket, it can only build his confidence. He had a great championship game, he was a key component to what they did. Anytime you have success on a court, no matter where it is, it's going to lend itself to where we're going this year."

    After France captured its championship, after the confetti fell and the camera flashes popped, Parker sought out Batum. Hours after that late-night knock on the door, he had one more message for his friend.

    "Tony came up to me," Batum said, "and we had our medals and he said, 'Thank you. Thank you for all you've done for me, for us, because we got this because of you.' That gave me even more confidence."

    -- Joe Freeman

     

     

     

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