Batum Watch - Season 6
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/26/2013 6:38 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/26/2013 5:59 PM

    I would say maniac biggest mistake was comparing Batum to Pippen in the first place. Batum is not Pippen and he does not need to be. Should Batum decide to become more like Pippen, he is more than welcome to, however what he mostly needs to do is become a little better all around. He needs to shoot a little better, attack the basket a little more, rebound a little better, pass a little better and just be a little tougher on defense. 

    Give me 15 points 6 rebound 4 assists while shooting closer to 50% from the field and 40% from downtown and aggressive physical defense every night and I am happy. 

     

     

    As D Licious said, some people are never happy.  If there was a club of "Unhappy", it's safe to say you could be the president.

    Batum's need for improvement as a player is infintecimal compaired to your need for improvment as a Blazer fan.

     

    Aside:

    LeBron averaged 40% from 3 only 1 year, in his 10th season, and didn't avererage over 50% from the field until his 7th season in the NBA.

    Durant didn't average those shooting percetages till his 6th season in the NBA.

     

    Unlike those 2, Batum is a 3rd option.  It's pretty sweet to have that kind of tallent next to Lillard and Aldridge.

     

    LeBron James plays for Miami and this isn't the Heat message board.

    Kevin Durrantn plays for OKC and this isn't the Thunder message board.

     

     Are you stuffed yet troll?

  1. riverman
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    Posted 08/26/2013 7:12 PM

    In Nico's favor I should also mention the fact that unlike Pop's Spurs with it's ironclad system in place, Nic has played for 3 coaches in 2 seasons, one of them a lockout season. He's also played with 3 rosters in that span of time. Also JJ Hickson was a guy who could hurt his own teammate going for a rebound. JJ did not make Nic look better yet Nic got a lot of assists feeding JJ. Unselfish players are rare in the NBA. We've cornered the market on team first guys this season. Nic now has help and one season under Stotts though injured for the last half of it. Wes and Nic played sick and injured to try to win games yet when they went down, some folks kicked em.. I want to thank them both for an abundance of heart and loyalty. As much as I love the team we have assembled this year, I should balance my view with one piece of constructive critique of Nic..he needs to become a better passer. The whole team does but one thing elite players usually do is pass the ball with a lot of zip and accuracy. I hope this gets addressed across the board this season.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/26/2013 8:09 PM

    But who really thinks that Stotts will stick around for a long period of time??? If Blazers are under performing by the all star break, Paul Allen will probably fire him.


    Batum NEEDS to consistently contribute THIS season. He has been in the league 6 years, elite players can contribute under any circumstance. He did a lot of things great last season, but injuries I guess didn't allow him to give it his all the whole season. He needs to continue to get better and produce. 


    If we want to get past the first round, Batum will need to do what Cmeese said    "needs to do is become a little better all around. He needs to shoot a little better, attack the basket a little more, rebound a little better, pass a little better and just be a little tougher on defense." 


    He is the X Factor to our success. I know he produces very well for his position so Im not suggesting trading him (unless for the right package) but if he doesn't give it 110% EVERY GAME then its going to be VERY difficult to win a playoff series. 


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  1. riverman
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    Posted 08/26/2013 8:19 PM

    I think Stotts will be around for a long time. I have absolutely no reason to anticipate under performing this season. All great players become that by improving every season. It's always been and always will be difficult for every team to win a playoff series. That's what's great about the playoffs. Contenders have guys step up when it counts. On this team that guy could be any one of 10 players.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/26/2013 10:53 PM

    Fanatic call me whatever you want but the fact remains every player on the team needs to get a little better. You know why because players like the Lebron's and Durant's whom you brought up are doing just that they are getting better. 


    Portland needs to improve as a team. We need to figure out exactly how McCollum, Robinson, Lopez and the rest of the new pieces fit together. That is going to take time, hopefully not a lot but it will take time. 


    42% shooting is not going to get it done simple as that. I said he need to get closer to 50%, 45% and 38% are not bad numbers, which Batum is capable of putting up. If he can get back to his 17 plus PER with the extra assists that would be sufficient. If you think having expectations for a player is negative then you are out of your mind. 


    11 million a season that is almost 19% of the teams cap space with the that amount of money Batum has to step up and lead by example. If you do not think Batum needs to improve for this team to ultimately succeed then you need to watch more basketball.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:36 AM

    I know of a pig that would be thrilled if you'd rebuild his house for him, cause you've to tons of straw, and a wolf that would be over joyed to borrow all that hot air.
  1. D Licious
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    Posted 08/27/2013 7:28 AM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 08/26/2013 6:38 PM
    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/26/2013 5:59 PM

    I would say maniac biggest mistake was comparing Batum to Pippen in the first place. Batum is not Pippen and he does not need to be. Should Batum decide to become more like Pippen, he is more than welcome to, however what he mostly needs to do is become a little better all around. He needs to shoot a little better, attack the basket a little more, rebound a little better, pass a little better and just be a little tougher on defense. 

    Give me 15 points 6 rebound 4 assists while shooting closer to 50% from the field and 40% from downtown and aggressive physical defense every night and I am happy. 

     

     

    As D Licious said, some people are never happy.  If there was a club of "Unhappy", it's safe to say you could be the president.

    Batum's need for improvement as a player is infintecimal compaired to your need for improvment as a Blazer fan.

     

    Aside:

    LeBron averaged 40% from 3 only 1 year, in his 10th season, and didn't avererage over 50% from the field until his 7th season in the NBA.

    Durant didn't average those shooting percetages till his 6th season in the NBA.

     

    Unlike those 2, Batum is a 3rd option.  It's pretty sweet to have that kind of talent next to Lillard and Aldridge.

     

    LeBron James plays for Miami and this isn't the Heat message board.

    Kevin Durrantn plays for OKC and this isn't the Thunder message board.

     

     Are you stuffed yet troll?

    Thas what I'm thinking too its pretty sweet having him in the mix... and now with a true center that can defend and girth will open up lanes... it will help LMA and Batum

    Don't think Kersey didn't benefit from Ducks girth haha

    Batum can defend 3s without him we are dead guarding 3s like Durant... maybe Wright could hold his own but having Batum is huge.. and coaches around the league would love to have him

    I remember last year everyone wanting to replace Batum and the best option was Kirlenko ahhaa no thank you


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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 9:01 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/26/2013 5:59 PM

    I would say maniac biggest mistake was comparing Batum to Pippen in the first place. Batum is not Pippen and he does not need to be. Should Batum decide to become more like Pippen, he is more than welcome to, however what he mostly needs to do is become a little better all around. He needs to shoot a little better, attack the basket a little more, rebound a little better, pass a little better and just be a little tougher on defense. 

    Give me 15 points 6 rebound 4 assists while shooting closer to 50% from the field and 40% from downtown and aggressive physical defense every night and I am happy. 



    So shoot me I compared him to Pippen,  All that I am asking is Batum play with the same heart and toughness as Wes.  Is that to much to ask? That is why I put Kersey as a bench mark.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 9:02 AM

    "Don't think Kersey didn't benefit from Ducks girth."

     

    Or the fact that he was 7 feet tall... lol  Another solid point completely lost on the "blazer fans" that live on BS mountain. A legit big man!  How did I let that slip by me?  There's too many reasons to call BS when these guys spam this non-sense, I'll just chalk it up to, "I hadn't gotten there yet." lol 

     

    Duckworth was an All-Star even.  These whiners think players live in a vacuum, appart from all other players while on the court.  Its why assists seem lost on them.  Sure it's a stat, but point out that only Lebron had more assists per game than Batum at SF, and you realize there's a fundimental lack of understanding as to why it is a stat at all.

     

    We've said LaMarcus has never played with a legit big man for any significant length in time, but perhaps some people need to be reminded that it also affected the 1,2 and 3 spots.  Apparently, it affects fans too, turning "blazer fans" into Blazer trolls.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 9:08 AM

     

     

    So what your saying is that Batum is not benefiting from LMA's play?

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 9:09 AM

     

     

    OR what your saying is that Batum cannot play unless he has a legit big man or LMA?

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 10:01 AM

    Blazer fans have questions.... and if I keep making statements in the form of a question, will people realize I have to take Blazer fan comments out of context an insinuate something imaginary to find conflict with those comments, or will my constant negative slights of Batum, Allen, and most things Blazers catch traction?

     

    Does Paul Allen care about the Blazers, or is he a cold hearted profiteer who's soul is burried in depth of eternal darkness?

     

    Is Batum one of the best SFs in the NBA right now, or is he a lazy, untallented drain on the entire Blazer franchize?

     

    Is Allen the worst owner in the history of the NBA, and is Batum the worst SF in the NBA, and are the Blazers the least informed fan base in the league, or is BlazerManiac and cmeese47 just saying it?

     

  1. riverman
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    Posted 08/27/2013 10:21 AM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/27/2013 9:09 AM

     

     

    OR what your saying is that Batum cannot play unless he has a legit big man or LMA?



    OK, I've got to repy to this. The only time Batum "cannot play" is when he's sick or  injured. Robin Lopez, unlike JJ Hickson can set a screen and provide help defense that Nic did not get much of last season. JJ was a horrible defender and didn't play team defense much at all. Nic will benefit from a real center as well as all of the other guys. Nic is part of a team, not a solo act. The better the TEAM, the more all the players will succeed. I think it's the money that really bothers you Maniac, not the player. Compare Nic's 11 mil to Camby's 13.3 mil for basically 7 good games in a season and we've got better value with Nic than we got with Camby. We also got bargain sales prices for the bench pretty much across the board. Most of our cap is filled with rookie contracts or really good 2 year vets on really affordable salaries. With Lopez in the paint the lanes are going to open up for the wings and forwards. Most of the basketball world sees this Blazer team as a  well constructed roster. Definition of "fan": a fan is short for fanatic and implies enthusiastic support for a team, franchise or player. Right out of the dictionary. I would have to say from your posts, you are actually not a Blazer fan but a skeptic. After all the comparisons you've made you omitted one important one about Nic....Scottie Pippen is his favorite player ever and he strives to achieve Pippen's success. He's stated this many times.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 10:43 AM

    @ BlazerManiac

     

    I'm not saying anything I did not say.  I'm also not trying to convince you of anything.  This isn't a debate.  You aren't my audience of one (perhaps even more than 1... but I digress).  I'm talking to myself most likely, and perhaps a handfull of Blazer fans that care to read what I type.

     

    If you, or anyone would like to add to my party of one, you're invited.  You only need to cut the crap, take a step back and consider all factors (or significantly more) without ignoring other entirely, if you'd like to participate in a meaningful discussion.

     

    The issue I, and perhaps others, have with your arguments is that you determine the problem before you even understand the situation.  It's like wack a mole with no coin required to play with you.  I can't take you serious, because your annalysis isn't serious.  You ignore factors that would invaliate your point, and even invent some that would prove your point, if they existed.

     

    I'm certain there is a strong case to be made about the Blazers needing more from Batum, if not simply a more consistant performance night in and night out.  Can you make that case without ignoring history, his age, the tallent he has been surrounded by, the role he has played, the coaches he's had, and for crying out loud - without talking about his "balls"?  That is the questions.

     

    Practical Exercise:  Heart

     

    You love the Lucas/Kersey/Mattews/Hickson/Leonard, real or percieved "tough guy" player.  Accept that some players are finesse, some are a built like **** brick houses and seek contact constantly, some can't defend to save their life while other can't shoot.

     

    I think if you genuinly wanted to see the Blazers succeed, you could accept players for what they are without the negative hyperbole and delusion that just because the Rose Garden was built, doesn't mean a Field of Dreams walks out onto the court of all your favorite, all-time great players and magically brings mutiple championships to Portland.

     

    Batum is, like it or not, one of the best players at SF in the NBA right now.  He's a finesse player, not a banger.  And he's a great fit for this team, whether you see it or not.  I'm certain he doesn't appriciate fans questioning his heart anymore than you appriciate Blazer fans questioning your's.  I'm certain he wants to win more that you do.  It's his life.  I suspect this isn't your's, although one could make that argument for you or me. lol  Move on from that non-sense.  Batum has strengths and weaknesses, but if someone who never heard of Batum read what you type ad nassium, they'd think he couldn't dribble a basketball without breaking his wrist.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/27/2013 10:54 AM

    Hey I am Fanatic and I cherry pick stats to try and make people look dumb.

    Here is a much larger list of stats.

    SF Stats Qualified Players Only Rank/Total

    PPG 12/35

    PP48 21/35

    FG% 16/23

    3PFG% 17/30

    REB 14/34

    REB48 23/34

    ADJFG% 8/23

    FTA 14/93

    FTAPG 12/20

    3PTM 2/93

    3PTA 2/93

    APG 2/34

    AP48 3/34

    TO 87/93

    SPG 9/34

    SP48 20/34

    BLKPG 3/34

    BLKP48 8/34

    DD 17/93

    TD 4/93

    PER 17/66

    VA 11/66

    EWA 12/66

    TSP% 15/66

     

    In 9 out of 24 categories Batum was in the top 10 for his position. 

    He was in the top 5 in 7 of those including 3PTM 3PTA APG AP48 BLK BLKP48 AND TD

    His average position was 14.5 


    I certainly believe Batum is better than the 14th best SF in the game but his numbers last year did not completely support that view. 


    Batum has all the tools to be great but right now he is just a good small forward.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/27/2013 11:04 AM

    I have no issues with Batum in terms of his contributions on the floor relative to his contract, nor in my modest opinion, should any other Blazer fan, based solely on last seasons performance prior to the injury.


    I do however, take exception to those who feel Batum is without flaw, or his play above scrutiny.  


    Threads on this board with #88's name in the title draw more hits than any other, with Aldridge being a distant runner up.  I have yet to be able to identify the reason(s) behind Nic being so polarizing.  I ask that even in difference, we be respectful of one another.  Personal attacks going beyond basketball discussion should remain just that...personal.  Please feel free to utilize the personal message option provided you by the site.  Posts here are obviously very public, and I would hope that all who visit share in my desire to represent this fan base in the manner it should be represented.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 11:06 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/27/2013 10:54 AM

    Hey I am Fanatic and I cherry pick stats to try and make people look dumb.

     



    You're really good at identifying the problem with your posts. Will you learn from this and change your ways, or will you wear the Blazer Troll tag with pride, spewing disjointed logic and spaming delusional "official Batum petitions"?
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 11:15 AM

    Posted By BDawg on 08/27/2013 11:04 AM

    I have no issues with Batum in terms of his contributions on the floor relative to his contract, nor in my modest opinion, should any other Blazer fan, based solely on last seasons performance prior to the injury.

    I do however, take exception to those who feel Batum is without flaw, or his play above scrutiny.  

    Threads on this board with #88's name in the title draw more hits than any other, with Aldridge being a distant runner up.  I have yet to be able to identify the reason(s) behind Nic being so polarizing.  I ask that even in difference, we be respectful of one another.  Personal attacks going beyond basketball discussion should remain just that...personal.  Please feel free to utilize the personal message option provided you by the site.  Posts here are obviously very public, and I would hope that all who visit share in my desire to represent this fan base in the manner it should be represented.


    No one thinks that BDawg.  That's the BS you'd have to believe in order for these trolls to keep spamming thier anit-Blazer crusade.

     

    The accusation of a "personal attack" is manufactured if you are refering to me.  It's not the person I respond to, it's the opinion.  I can't say the same for those that troll.

     

    Disregarding BlazerManiac and cmeese's posts, you see a very large concensus off Blazer fans that know Portland needs more from Batum, and that Batum has the ability and skills to give more and improve as he matures AS A BLAZER.

  1. D Licious
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    Posted 08/27/2013 11:35 AM

    this thread needs a agree to disagree haha

    No one says Batum is flawless but neither are any other players... you take the good and bad with any player right?

    Some of us just like Batum and some don't... pretty simple

    Comparing our third option to Lebron is silly

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/27/2013 11:36 AM

    Fanatic I agree with that assessment. Batum is the player he is, he will not be Wesley Matthews because he does not have to be. He has a lot more talent than Wesley. 


    It is also not to much to ask for a little more consistency and subtle improvements across the board for Batum considering his salary and role on this team. 


    We need every player to get better, but for this team to truly succeed Batum has to improve the most. Not because he is terrible but because he has the most potential. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 11:48 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/27/2013 11:36 AM

    Fanatic I agree with that assessment. Batum is the player he is, he will not be Wesley Matthews because he does not have to be. He has a lot more talent than Wesley. 

    It is also not to much to ask for a little more consistency and subtle improvements across the board for Batum considering his salary and role on this team. 

    We need every player to get better, but for this team to truly succeed Batum has to improve the most. Not because he is terrible but because he has the most potential. 


    and he is the most inconsistent of our starters!
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 11:50 AM

    We can disagree on who needs to improve the most.  But no one says that any player is perfect or even close.  If we're being honest, Portland need the most improvement from Lillard.  And, perhaps that is unfair to heap that much responsibility on a sophmore, but that's what this Blazer team needs most.  Everything starts with his ability to defend the point and run the point.  The better Lillard does his job, the easier it is for everyone behind him.  Can't quite say the same for ever other possition.  But make no mistake, the entire team needs to improve thier play individually, and as a team.

     

    Want to be labled a Blazer fan, talk about what the Blazers need from Batum next year and what he can actually do to help this team.  Stop dwelling on percieved or real weaknesses and then blowing them out of proportion.

     

    Want to be labled a troll, talk about Batum's balls and start a petition to trade him.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:01 PM

     

     

    Lilliard - Rookie of the Year - unf*#$%ing believable.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:12 PM

    Key word... ROOKIE.  Not to be confused with MOST VALUABLE PLAYER or ALL-STAR or ALL 1st TEAM, or 2nd, or 3rd, or DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR.  I'd settle for MOST IMPROVED.  Are we still having issue with the meaning or words Maniac?

     

    For a guy that uses all those words to describe what Batum is not, I'm really at a loss for any rational explaination for the lack of understanding.

  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:19 PM

    @Fanatic...no response as to the reason Nic is the most polarizing of our beloved Blazers?  I've come to expect more from you:-)


    @river...Don't think for  second that the security Stotts has enjoyed to this point hasn't had anything to do with Nate still receiving checks from Allen.  'Sarge' was given that 2 year extension in '11, providing him a portion of the Blazer owner's wallet thru 2013.  No way could I envision a scenario whereby Allen could justify having a THIRD head coach on payroll.  Stotts' leash will likely shorten as the apple drops in NYC come midnight December 31st.  I personally don't believe Stotts will be working the Blazer sideline when next the franchise provides the city of Portland a parade.  I've maintained he be a reasonably priced "stop-gap", and a coach who's style immediately appeased a restless fan base wanting offense transitioning from the McMillan era.  


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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:24 PM

     

     

    I just enjoy watching you spend time writing your diatribes. 

     

    Someone on this post stated Batum came into the league at 18 in justifying why we could not compare his numbers to Pippen's or Kersey's, so to me then with NBA ramp up speed during his 5th year should have been his break out year (the first four years would be equivalent to four years of college), whereas Lillard came in his 1st year after college (4 years), and blew Batum away.

    I know I know you are going to give me all the justification in the world why Batum did not perform as he should and is not consitent. 

    I would keep Lillard any day of the week over Batum. Until Batum plays totally consitent (meaning a high percentage of the games) I still will be critical and you will be irritated with me. So be it!!!!!!

     

     

     

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:30 PM

    Aw, bdawg.  : (   I didn't say more because I don't think Batum is Polarizing.  I think Batum is an easy scape goat for why the Blazers haven't made deep play-off runs.  I think some people read the biased reporting from Jason Quick after having his feelings hurt by Batum and take it as Gospil.  (Not to disparage Quick, but it is a reality.)  When Batum asked Quick, "Do you not like me or something."  Cleary his writing was more critical of Batum after the Minn fiasco, as perhaps it was more favorable before that summer because he loved Batum.

     

    I also think some people's perception of "value" and the "cost of goods" in terms of players and tallent is way off.  As is their ability to see the things that Batum does for the team that don't show up on a stats sheet.  And once someone has decided that Batum, or Allen, or LA is thier scape goat... it's an endless diatribe of verbal diarhea.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:40 PM

     

     

    I am just tired of waiting for Batum to play to his potential!

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:41 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/27/2013 12:24 PM

     

     

    I just enjoy watching you spend time writing your diatribes. 

     

    Someone on this post stated Batum came into the league at 18 in justifying why we could not compare his numbers to Pippen's or Kersey's, so to me then with NBA ramp up speed during his 5th year should have been his break out year (the first four years would be equivalent to four years of college), whereas Lillard came in his 1st year after college (4 years), and blew Batum away.

    I know I know you are going to give me all the justification in the world why Batum did not perform as he should and is not consitent. 

    I would keep Lillard any day of the week over Batum. Until Batum plays totally consitent (meaning a high percentage of the games) I still will be critical and you will be irritated with me. So be it!!!!!!

     

     

     


    An unintended consequence of having something interesting to say I suppose. Glad you are enjoying.

     

    You're making a false choice.  Blazer fans are not choosing to keep or get rid of either Batum or Lillard.  That's a fake argument that you create and rail against for the sake of trash talking Blazer players.  You're not Blazer fan by any definition.  Again, the party is inside and you are welcome to come in if you take your shoes off first. They are covered in poo.

    Just because your posts are obnoxiously anti-Blazer doesn't mean it bothers me. 

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/27/2013 12:47 PM

     

     

    Boy, you are incredible.  Again I am not anti-blazer, I am anti-Batum not playing to his potential as quite a few of us are.  So are you saying that all of us who are critical of Batum are not Blazer Fans just because we do not agree with your "text book defintion of a Blazer Fan".

     

    Get off your high horse and come down from the clouds.  Get over yourself!

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 08/27/2013 1:16 PM

    I can't take credit for the "text book" definition, that was riverman and which ever place he cited.

     

    If you're done ranting, and railing, and embelishing, and hating, then I'd be happy to re-assess and even over-look your history of Blazer forum trolling to trade every blazer from matthews and hickson, to LA and Batum.

     

    Our avatar pics speak for themselves.  I'm happy.  You pick looks confused and angry, which is how your opinions most often come across.  It's funny.

     

    And as long as we're throwing out amophous cliches...  how about one that is more fitting of a Blazer fan?

     

    "I don't think of the misery, but of all the beauty that still remains."   GO BLAZERS!

  1. BDawg
    BDawg
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    Posted 08/27/2013 2:22 PM

    @river...responding to your assertion that "with Lopez in the paint the lanes are going to open up for the wings and forwards"...


    While I agree, my biggest concern with this roster and one that relates directly to this thread's intended topic, is...is there anyone on this team besides the player responsible for distributing capable of taking advantage of said spacing, putting the ball on the floor and attacking those lanes?  I still see far too many jump shooters...some even stand still/spot up shooters.  While every squad needs a percentage of these players with that skill set for balance, I see this Portland team struggling to get buckets in the paint.  Lopez will shore up the defense by providing that elusive rim protector Portland has needed since GO went down the first time, and my hope is that points in transition will result.  Thomas Robinson is the big question mark here.  He is a freak athlete, but only when motivated, which unfortunately seems to be a fleeting thing with the young man.



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  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/27/2013 3:30 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/27/2013 12:40 PM

     

     

    I am just tired of waiting for Batum to play to his potential!


    I'm just tired of endless crying

    Batum has drawn the Poor Man's Scottie Pippen comparisons all the way back to his rookie season. His frame, length, and knack for the chase down block make his defensive contributions easy to spot... so don't get so worked up about comparisons.

    Batum and Kevin Durant were the only players to average at least one block, one steal and one 3-pointer the past two seasons I think I read somewhere.. Maybe Pau George is in that mix now... you can't deny he posesses a EXTREMELY rare mix of skills.

    Its just a disagreement is all

    So pumped Sic Nic and his sic stroke will be wearing RED AND BLACK

    bring on camp



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  1. D Licious
    D Licious
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    Posted 08/27/2013 3:33 PM

    As for Stotts... NBA has shifted to teams like Clippers, Heat, Dallas, GS

    less pound the paint and more quick reads, I think Neil is building our team along those lines so if LMA goes on a tear like Dirk don't be surpirsed

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  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/27/2013 3:45 PM

    I agree we will have trouble getting buckets in the paint at times but as long as we don't give up buckets in the paint like we did leading the league in we should be alright.

    I hope Meyers can develop his post moves and slow down and use his big body more... but you bring up a great point we do not posses many back to the basket players

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posts: 758

    Posted 08/27/2013 3:52 PM

    Posted By D Licious on 08/27/2013 3:45 PM

    I agree we will have trouble getting buckets in the paint at times but as long as we don't give up buckets in the paint like we did leading the league in we should be alright.

    I hope Meyers can develop his post moves and slow down and use his big body more... but you bring up a great point we do not posses many back to the basket players



    Leonard's situational awairness is definitely behind the curve.  He gets surprised and is out of possition too much.  I'm hoping Lopez can help his developement now that he has a legit big man to bang with in practice.
  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/27/2013 4:01 PM

    You are on the money Blazer Fanatic on Meyers...  Side Show Bob needs to show him the ropes... best way to learn vet tricks is having them used on you everyday in practice... We have a few Wild Cards in our deck

    Robinson

    Meyers

    CJ

    all could be factors off the bench big time with Mo and Wright



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  1. riverman
    riverman
    Posts: 1431

    Posted 08/27/2013 8:04 PM

    Posted By BDawg on 08/27/2013 2:22 PM

    @river...responding to your assertion that "with Lopez in the paint the lanes are going to open up for the wings and forwards"...

    While I agree, my biggest concern with this roster and one that relates directly to this thread's intended topic, is...is there anyone on this team besides the player responsible for distributing capable of taking advantage of said spacing, putting the ball on the floor and attacking those lanes?  I still see far too many jump shooters...some even stand still/spot up shooters.  While every squad needs a percentage of these players with that skill set for balance, I see this Portland team struggling to get buckets in the paint.  Lopez will shore up the defense by providing that elusive rim protector Portland has needed since GO went down the first time, and my hope is that points in transition will result.  Thomas Robinson is the big question mark here.  He is a freak athlete, but only when motivated, which unfortunately seems to be a fleeting thing with the young man.

    Great posts BDawg, this is good dialogue. I think Nic, for one will benefit from open lanes and can finish at the rim with a good 7ft rock between him and the shot blocker. I also think our jump shooters this season may actually MAKE jumpshots.

     


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  1. commontongue
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    Posts: 1864

    Posted 08/27/2013 9:43 PM

    Ball handlers,Ballhandlers,Ballhandlers. How many years have i been saying that NIc needs to focus strictly on his BALLHANDLING !? Wesleys handles are mad suspect. Unless he just beats his defender , he's a two dribble pull up guy. I hate the word IF, i really do, but IF Batum had one move from Brandon Roys repetoire', id want it to be that step back -through the leg pull up that froze a boatload of defenders. Now take a look at what im talking about in this B-Roy video. Against Melo. He sweeps through with the rock, gets Melo to bite on a power dribble drive,steps it back through the legs...... Money !!! Thats what Nic needs. Defense he has, thats documented. Offense ?

    You know what though ? Stotts and Coach Self told T-Rob the same thing. Stay with what you know and are good at, REBOUNDS ! He has vowed to get back to what made him a 5th pick. One ahead of the Rokkie of the Year. Someone needs to tell Batum that very same thing, STAY WITH WHAT YOU KNOW ! Nic and Lebron have the best chase down blocks in the game. And i believe Nic is better at getting multiple blocks per posession than Lebron. How many times have we seen both of those guys flub a play and chase down or hound their mistake. I pity the fool that steals,blocks or is any where near the vicinity of what could be constituted as a turnover by them around either of them. My point is its high praise to have a Blazer in the same mention as a Blazer. Im going to make a prediction..... If Damian Lillard plays in your face defense this year,not only will everyone else follow suit,{ L>A> included} but we will be an incredibly dangerous team.
    POST SCRIPT,

    Batum is going to be alright.

    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Simpson
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    Posted 08/27/2013 10:40 PM

    @commontongue, yup, our wings have had the D; pg on crazy D... not yet ;)  IF Dame plays crazy good D, we stop the attack or mess it up bad for the opponents; get a steal, & we're off to the races!  Teams can get away w/ having a so-so shot-blocker or sometimes none @ all IF they've got lock down perimeter defenders; if Dame D's up... where's our defensive weakness NOW?  Is it @ the 5?  NOPE!  We've got Bro-pez now! :)  Therefore, u say we'd b "an incredibly dangerous team" if Dame D's up?  You betcha!  Hahaha!  Awesome!!! I can't wait for the season to begin!  :)
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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posts: 244

    Posted 08/28/2013 3:07 AM

    I've made this point before, but I think its worth pointing out, yet again, that our team is only in year 2 of what may be a 3to 5 year plan. We've now added the pieces in good vets like Mo and Wright to help our younger less consistent players. Batum will benefit from having a real scrimmage buddy. He and Wright will have each other all season to try and help where the other struggles. They're similar in size and style of play.


    To my point again... This team is young enough and flexible enough to be a force both this year and in 3 to 4 years. Batum is rightly pointed at as the X factor. But he can't be an X factor if our other pieces don't provide a platform for him to perform to the best of his abilities. Nic is a good shooter, average ball handler and yet has the weight of the world on his shoulders. He showed during the lockout season that he CAN score 30 a night and last season showed his versatility with 2 triple doubles. If he gets 2 triple doubles again this season then he has already exceeded my expectations because I doubt he will handle the ball as much now that Mo and CJ are on the roster. 


    There was a great article by Zachary Lowe of Grantland which points out that our starters (which includes Batum) will now have the freedom to be more aggressive because they have real quality as backup. Nic can drive the lane and challenge shots and could actually foul his man without fear of what Zach calls a "death sentence" when the backups come in. River said it right in an earlier post where he points out that we have no reason to think this team won't succeed this year. Batum must improve, definitely, but he is not going to carry this team. He is NOT Scottie Pippen and whether we want to believe it or not, he is still only 24 and is yet to put his game together completely. He did so well before the injury. So well in fact that I thought he would be an all star and had done a great job of adding to his game. His passing improved, his ball handling improved and he added that head fake to his arsenal of moves on offense. I think he'll be great this year. If he isn't, then there's 11 other guys who could pick up his slack. 

    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. D Licious
    D Licious
    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/28/2013 8:22 AM

    This is a very good point IMO

    Now Nic has some help.. not launching 3s but defending 3s... Babbit and Claver were our only perimeter defenders at the 3 and Claver is more of stretch 4 although I think he showed pretty solid movement for his size he is no D Wright.. having a savvy vet with similar build and game is big

    Death Sentence comment fits last years bench pretty well haha

    Nic showed he can run the 1-4 from up top, but like you mentioned with the addition of Mo he might have less opps ... although I like his play making skills and with Mo and Damien on the wings it would be nice to see what Batum when he can't be doubled and pack the paint.  

    Without Lopez we would be average IMO.. I think his presense will make everyone better on both ends... especially LMA and Batum

    Nic played point for France and with Parker going down that looks to continue this year so look for his ball handeling and play making to improve...  I just hope his sprain was minor we need him healthy.

    I don't think anyone here thinks Batum is Pippen.. but other than Pau George I think we have great 3 to develop.. His stock is going UP

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  1. D Licious
    D Licious
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    Posted 08/28/2013 8:30 AM

    We do have shooters

    Mo + Damien + Wright + Batum + CJ + Mathews + Stotts = leading the league in 3s made and attemped

    Even Dallas had some girth in the middle to support Dirk and the shooters so with Lopez I see us spreading the floor like Dallas did on there march to a Ring :)  It will be fun to watch


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  1. Simpson
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    Posted 08/28/2013 9:29 AM

    @ D Licious, BTW, Lopez isn't the main event but he isn't "Side Show Bob (ignore the hair ;) " anymore; we've got Bat(u)man & Robin now! :)

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/28/2013 10:40 AM

    Mo Williams will help a lot this year. He has to ability to win games with his scoring, a lot times last season we would lose a game where most of the starters scored but Batum couldn't get his shot to drop so everyone got on him about it. 


    Mo and maybe(big maybe) Cj McCollum are better scorers then Batum. I don't think Nic has to be the third option when it comes to scoring now.  But basketball is a team game, but I do think we will be seeing a lot of spot up 3s from Batum.


    It is going to be VERY interesting how Stotts plays NIc now that he won't be handling the ball as much anymore. He is going to need to affect the game i other ways. His D and rebounding should be more intense this year.. If Batum developed some ball handling skills like CommonT said that he would be a monster


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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posts: 244

    Posted 08/29/2013 1:21 AM

    Siccolo makes a good point. Nic is now no longer the 3rd option. He could be the 4th 5th or 6th option on a night where Matthews and Lillard are hot. LA will always be a threat to score so he should be getting his 20pt and 9 rebounds a night anyway. But we have a long list of potential scoring options. A lot like Denver last year, we look like we will be scoring by committee. And with less pressure on our starters during the regular season, we could see a real improvement on both sides of the ball. In fact, we will see an improvement. Batum can play point in euro ball, but in the NBA we need our point guards to take the primary ball handling responsibilities. I have no issue getting him to bring the ball up and run a set or 2 on a given night. His assist may decline, but his passing and playmaking will help our whole team. 


    Poets not forget we have Wright as well who is a very underrated passer and he will definitely help Nic to develop those same skills. Look for Nic and Wright to share the floor and stretch the defense with both their shooting and passing ability. 

    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/29/2013 6:03 AM

    @D Licious...comparing Lopez to All-Star, Defensive Player Of The Year, gold medal winning Olympian NBA champion Tyson Chandler may be a bit of a stretch.  For my money, Chandler...along with Howard, may be the last of the dying breed of the old school 5s.  The traditional 4s and 5s of the peaking NBA of the 80s and early 90s have all but joined the dinosaurs at the extinction party.  If Lopez gives this team even a portion of that interior presence Chandler was for the Mavs, this Blazer team might find itself competing for the 5 seed.  BIG "if" though.  Chandler simply by being on the floor thwarted dribble penetration.  Miss 'The Thrilla'.


    Yes Siccolo...I've been posting for years Nic's need to become a triple threat.  It's a fundamental of the game.  If Batum could add  this to his game (at this point I'm resembling a Smurf as I am blue in the face) the comparisons to James would begin increasing and cease being local only.  Additionally, this team would have a second representative on Sunday All-Star weekend.  Truly frightening to think of the pre-injury Nic of last season with the ability to put the rock on the floor and create opportunities for himself and others with the bounce, attacking the rim.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posts: 1864

    Posted 08/29/2013 7:27 PM

    You want BATUM !!!! You cant handle the BATUM!!!!

     

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  1. D Licious
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    Posts: 199

    Posted 08/30/2013 8:20 AM

    I mentioned girth not that we have another Chandler...  I am not that homer haha


    The Lopez price tag is not near as steep as Chandler and we finally have a legit 7 footer to go with all our new shooters was the only point I was trying to make... But like you mentioned, IF Lopez gives this team even a portion of the interior presence as Chandler, then Stotts schemes will start looking more and more like Dallas IMO.  


    Lopez's big frame and vet savvy will be nice to have while we develop Meyers.... Lopez is not a stiff like Priz on O and can set the high picks where Meyers struggled and is a much better defender than his brother... just one game but he played Hibbert pretty well on this clip: 


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ELddSafjV0


    Love the 5x5 Batum vid... unique mix of skills and frame fo sho and only 24 going into prime I really like our lineup now with a center and bench


    Batum will have some games soon, such a tease,,,, http://www.eurobasket2013.org/en/default.asp


    Bring on camp!!!



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  1. fredisdead
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    Posted 08/30/2013 7:04 PM

    batum is unconscious in the clutch no one ever gives him credit for it though same with mathews and lillird as well are back court is probably one of the more clutch back courts in the league

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