Taking Stock: Will Nicolas Batum Ever Be a Star?
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 05/04/2013 9:59 PM

    I'm sorry but, I don't know what fans are smoking to think that JJ can play the SF spot he will be rip to shreds you do realize he has to play D on these small forwards as well, that position is loaded with talented players and as much as JJ made some improvements on D that's like throwing him to the wolves. 
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/04/2013 10:16 PM

    THANK YOU CarlJ1. I thought someone put something in my drink. No way JJ plays SF. He can't handle the ball, he has a decent mid range game, but it's more close-mid, than long-mid. He can't defend faster wings, and playing the SF would keep him out of rebounding position giving him absolutely no value whatsoever.

    His play was atrocious. It looked like he was scared and he probably was, but the question is, who else did the Blazers have that could replace him. Claver would pretty much play the same, Barton is no match for the SF or even the SG in the NBA. I think maaaaybe Sasha, but even he isn't good enough.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 05/04/2013 10:49 PM

    CarlJ, by saying throw him to the Wolves, do you mean shop him to Minnesota ?If JJ takes less money, keep him. If not,move him. Period. If he can come off the bench behind L.A. and produce as he did playing out of position..HooRah !. If not,liabiility. Joakim Noah he is not.I appreciate everything he did for us this year. Playing out of position and all. But a man has to know his role. In the USMC i knew my role and i stayed in my lane. JJ needs to accept  what he does,what he brings,and what his role is. And it doesnt command max money. He is Jermaine Jackson in the Blazers " Jackson Five ". Damian is Michael,L.A. is Tito and so on so forth.
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 05/04/2013 11:53 PM

    Nah CT I think we did enough business with them for a while, what I mean is JJ playing D against the SF in this league is like being thrown to the wolves he will be rip to shreds or simply put he has no chance in hell defending the SF that are in the league now.
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  1. sug81
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    Posted 05/05/2013 2:33 AM

    Hahaha CarlJ1 I was so shocked when I saw that earlier.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/05/2013 11:15 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 05/04/2013 9:52 PM

    I have no clue why Batum kept playing after his wrist was injured. He was also playing Huge Minutes

    Not smart at allowing him to play, his play after the injury disgusted me

    Absolutely,  What was Terry Stotts thinking?  Obviously with how attrocious he was playing he should have been benched and allow his wrist to heal.  Batum's game was a liability to the team. 

     

     

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/05/2013 11:46 AM

    On the same line, when Nic sat out, we weren't beating anyone. I'd wager to say if Nic hadn't played through injury people would've criticized him for that as well.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 05/05/2013 1:36 PM

    I dont usually complain about player not playing through injuries. I do get mad if you make excuses for your play. 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/05/2013 2:27 PM

    Siccolo watch Nic's exit interview. It says it all about where he's at and where he wants to improve. Not one excuse in the whole thing.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/05/2013 2:33 PM

    Wesley also said he learned that he shouldn't play injured because it ends up hurting the team. Stotts gave great constructive criticism to every player, including Damian and LaMarcus. Stotts has scheduled Nic, Joel, Victor. Meyers  and Barton to come in for a month of training in June. This was a building block season. It's not like starters from OKC, Spurs, Miami or any contender having vets come back to the same system and coach they've had for years. Stotts is known to have one of the largest playbooks in the league and it takes time to learn it.
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  1. billyamick47
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    Posted 05/06/2013 9:15 AM

    Batum may improve this summer and he might be worth keeping but he will never be a star because the most aggressive he will ever be was when he was playing wack a noodle in the Olympics.

  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/06/2013 9:51 AM

    billy, that's ridiculous. jeesh....you've obviously never played a sport through injury in your life and excelled at it. Nic can improve and he has said as much but he was a top player throughout the Olympics and anyone who knows basketball knows that. He was also a top player in the NBA pre injury. You don't get 2 triple doubles and hit game winners if you're not aggressive in the NBA.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/06/2013 9:57 AM

    Wack a noodle that is classic.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/06/2013 10:06 AM

    Yeah, and I am going to slap someone (with words at least) when they talk about Kevin Durant and LBJ and them making Chasedown their signature. Batum has more blocks than LBJ and most are Chasedown. Durant may have more than Nic, but not more chasedown, he's a good one on one defender.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/06/2013 11:40 AM

    Jose Calderon might take offense at having it called a noodle....maybe not
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/06/2013 12:38 PM

    He hit Juan Carlos Navarro not Calderon but since it was brought up lets enjoy the shot again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akJgtb3Yy7M

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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 05/06/2013 1:32 PM

    Aside from his whack a player antics in Olympics last year, Batum has a good all around game. He can score in bunches and is a good and still improving defender.

    He is actually my vote for most improved player before the all star break. He gets into passing lanes and he gets blocks. Heck, this guy is one of an elite group with a 5x5 stat line. He can do it all!!! 

    But he is a lot like Manu Ginobli. He's important to the team but he is NOT a star. He will always need Lillard and LMA around him. He is a jack of all trades and that suits me just fine. We need a guy to be that on this roster. If he could improve his offense to include attacking defenders off the dribble and getting to the rim more often, then he could well be a star. For now though, he is just Nic. Rip City's own jack of all trades. 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/06/2013 1:57 PM

    Well said Cailin
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 05/06/2013 6:32 PM

    I expect an All Star appearance from Nic next year that how good he should be from here on out otherwise he should get shopped at the deadline, we saw how good he can be before the injury so an All Star appearance shouldn't be a stretch.
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  1. billyamick47
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    Posted 05/06/2013 9:19 PM

    He better become an all star because this team needs a ton of depth and his massive contract at the leagues deepest position could quickly become an issue.

  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/06/2013 11:09 PM

    Isn't the whole point of this thread  trying to make his contract an issue? I personally don't have a problem with his contract. Ownership is writing his check and the  Blazers staff values Nicolas Batum. If his game declines when he's healthy, I'll change my mind. As of now, he's a really really gifted member of a really promising starting lineup.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/07/2013 12:41 AM

    People over here worry about money too much. What do you need money for? Good players. You already have a good players, and you want to trade him away to save money. We can get a good centre without trading Batum.

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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 05/07/2013 1:43 AM

    Well said River. He is a promising talent and thats what you need. I think Nic has the tools to be better than good, but not the drive to be great. He will definitely be an all star in future but he wont be a STAR! $11million is good value for a guy who will give us 16/5/6 and can grab 2 steals a night. He can explode some games for 35 points and is a legitimate triple double threat now that his passing has improved.

     

    He has to get involved more though. Mix it up inside and attack the offensive glass. He is 6'8 after all!!!!

    Adding a pump fake t his game wouldn't hurt either. Bruce Bowen was primarily a defender but when he added that 3 point shot to his game he became an option for the spurs on offense. Then he added a head fake and was a guy who could draw fouls because defenders jumped too early and bumped him. It was something that Bruce used to keep his defender guessing. And Bowen was just a decent 3pt threat. Batum is already a good 3pt shooter and must now add some variation to his offensive game. A pump fake, a solid crossover or something that wil keep his man guessing when he catches the ball outside the arc. He cannot be a catch and shoot player!!! Stars are not guys who just catch and shoot.

     

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/07/2013 1:48 AM

    Exactly. Stars aren't catch and shoot guys. Nic has added a pump fake. He has that head fake, one dribble pull up. But he either pulls up from three point range, or drives to basket, and he doesn't use the move often enough. It is irritating how people keep saying he's not that good when they know he was playing half a season injured. You guys remember that 5x5, and then two triple doubles within three games?

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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 05/07/2013 6:38 AM

    There is no person in their right mind who could say he isn't a good player. He did get 2 triple doubles and the 5x5 game all before the all star break.

    Nic needs to be more aggressive in attacking the rim. then his head fake becomes more useful because once him man is up n the air, he can dribble past him and have an open look or create a shot for someone else. Phil Jackson said a while ago in an interview that the point of offense is to penetrate and get easy look. Layups and corner 3's are the most efficient shots in the game and batum currently only makes use of one. If he can attack defenders off the dribble and get to the rim for layups or can kick the ball out to an open man when the defense collapses then he will definitely be an all star. He could be something like what Hedo Turkoglu was in his 1st stint with the Magic.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 8:40 AM

    I do not think anyone in all the replies said Batum sucked, they said he was overpaid true based on last years numbers overall, inconsistent also true, injured true, has potential true, and is young also true. The problem is Batum is supposed to be our second best player and what he gave us last year was enough for exactly what we got a lottery pick. With Lillard now the second best player Batum should thrive with better match-ups, if he thrives great. If he struggles the team is screwed, a good Batum is tradeable, second half Batum is not. 


    What I am suggesting and a couple others is if Batum is for whatever reason incapable of taking that next step then we need to trade him while he is still young and full of potential. 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/07/2013 10:30 AM

    Nobody anticipated our rookie pt guard was going to get 20pts a night last season. Nic helped him get those pts without being a stat grabber. Nic had double digit assists in several games. He's unselfish and in the era of superstar Batman and Robin teams, our starters are not selfish. I, for one, like it that way. Give this team a great center and two or three more really good bench players and see just how good the Blazers are next season. I have read several posts here saying Batum sucks, plus a thread that said The Blazers Suck in the heading and a thread that said, Meyers Leonard makes me sick.....just saying. Not the most optimistic fan base sometimes.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/07/2013 11:06 AM

    Number were down because of the injury, also inconsistent because of the injury. He is a very very good player. Cmeese, I want to ask you directly, do you agree that we should wait until the all star break, or atleast until the trade deadline next season before making up our minds on Batum.

    riverman, yes that makes me sad. I remember I once read a Mavericks fan saying he was impressed with the Blazer fan base. That when he looked at their facebook page, after a loss there would only be comments like "well played guys", "we'll get them next time", "nice job out there". No one found a scape goat, no one called for someone's head. Let's not change this.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 11:25 AM

    River two years in the lottery and major wholes in the roster will do that to a fan base. I am very negative in most of my posts because well it encourages discussion. As far as Meyers not rebounding, jacking up threes and playing terrible defense that made me sick. 33-49 the Blazers did suck. A lot of the negative stuff was true even if it was not optimistic or pleasant.


    We have some talent and can be good with a center and a bench the question is can we actually get those pieces. 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 11:29 AM

    Ripcity No I do not think we need to wait. Batum has value and if we can get pieces back that will make us better down the road for him then we need to do it. I am certainly not suggesting just trading Batum to trade him. I certainly believe that Gibson and Butler would be worth more to this team than Batum, which is why I suggested that trade. If we can't get something with a couple young pieces or first round picks then I have no problem waiting til the deadline or beyond.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/07/2013 12:14 PM

    Well Cmeese, I don't think we'll ever be on the same page about, so let's agree to disagree. Gibson and Butler are great, and I wouldn't mind the trade, but I don't think it's realistic and there is the big question of offence. We rely on our starters a lot and unless we can get a bench scorer, we can't trade away one of our 'core 4' unless it's for someone else who can score.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 12:25 PM

    Gibson and Butler out scored Batum this year and will continue to do so. Plus our defense gets better and the team has one less hole to fill. 


    Butler gives us a starting caliber SF and Gibson is more than capable as a back up. 

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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 05/07/2013 1:01 PM

    about half the time I disagree with you cmeese but I like the trade. I think we all agree that Batum is a good borderline great player,right now. What he becomes is speculation and no one knows for sure. Right now I believe he is overpaid not because he has not lived up to his potential but because he cannot take over games or will not take over games whatever it is I do not like it. We saw time and time again Damian played the first half being a team player and shot after shot being missed than we saw him take over the game after the half. 70% of our "comeback" games whether win or lose were from Damian Lillard. THAT should have been Batums job not Damian's. So if I could get a good player at SF and a good back up for Batum and not have to wait for potential . I would do it in a heartbeat
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 2:13 PM

    Butler is taking less than 9 shots in the playoffs but it pretty much matching Batum's scoring numbers because he gets to the foul line. Add in 3 dimes 5.5 boards and a block and a steal and there is not much decline at all. 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/07/2013 3:03 PM

    no to both of those butler will be what he is now a solid supporting cast we don't need that we need another star player that on this team if we ever wanna compete its the truth 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 3:35 PM

    Jimmy Butler will be a top 10 SF in the league next season

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/07/2013 4:29 PM

    yea ok lol fact is pre injury batum was considered in the top 5 thats a huge downgrade there man just saying we can do a whole lot better than that 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/07/2013 4:35 PM

    Posted By BLASER on 05/07/2013 3:03 PM

    no to both of those butler will be what he is now a solid supporting cast we don't need that we need another star player that on this team if we ever wanna compete its the truth 


    Well if you are counting Batum as a star player you can forget that.  I agree with CMeese do the trade.  Think about it, Batum is consistent at being inconsistent.  He can bring us more trade value now.  What happens if we wait and he does the same thing?  He loses trade value.  We need to build bench strength.  We have two star players to build around wiht LMA and Damien.  With Damian now being coached on defense by Gary Payton his overalll game will improve.  Last summer it was we build around LMA and Batum.  I say LMA is anchor with Damian.

     

    Trade Batum.

     

    We need to maximize our trade value.

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/07/2013 5:11 PM

    I didn't say he was gonna be a star I was saying we could do a whole lot better then that trade butler has looked good in the post season but his season stats looked like barton rofl yea thats really promising just saying man 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 05/07/2013 5:14 PM

    if we trade him off for butler we might as well as trade the rest of our vets for hit or miss young players and completely go into another never ending rebuild mode 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 05/07/2013 5:20 PM

    Im not sure if Batum can go back to his play from before his injury. If he cant he will be hard to trade

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 5:34 PM

    Posted By BLASER on 05/07/2013 4:29 PM

    yea ok lol fact is pre injury batum was considered in the top 5 thats a huge downgrade there man just saying we can do a whole lot better than that 


    I am not sure who had him top 5 cause I never saw that list. He was behind James, Durant, Anthony, Pierce, Smith, and George on every list I saw. Most had Gay, Gallanari, and Deng ahead of him as well. That puts him about the spot Butler will be next season. 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/07/2013 5:40 PM

    As a starter Butler scored more per game had more rebounds and more steals per game than Batum he also played better defense and had less turnovers. He also attempted more free throws per game, shot a higher fg and 3pt% just saying. 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/07/2013 10:40 PM

     

    CMEESE47 - Taj Gibson would be a great back-up at 7.5M for LMA, and Jimmy Butler at $1.5 would be a steal.  That would give us another $2M in Cap room.  I see Jimmy Butler as a mini James Harden who is just waiting on a chance to start and we all know what happened with Harden.

     

    Now this is the challenge for Batum if we went to Chicago.  He could not play for Tom Thibodeau.  Tom would not tolerate every excuse Batum comes up with about poor play.

     

    I am a die hard Blazer Fan.  I think Terry Stotts is an OK coach,  I think it was BDAWG who said Stotts was a stop gap caoch until Nate's contract was paid off then Paul Allen can go after a strong coach on both offense and defense.  The Blazers as we all know suck on defense.  There offense relies heavily on mid and long range jump shots, nothing in the paint which fits Batum's game.  It drives me crazy during games when Batum and the entire team drive up the court and settle for jump shots 80% of the time (that is being conservative).

     

    My issue with Batum is he is full of excuses for his inconsistent play.  When he suppssedly hurt his wrist (MRI was negative) his game went to crap.  They have not been able to determine what is wrong with it other then Batum saying it hurts and it affects his game.  As Dave said in his article:

     

    "Batum and his handlers cited a wrist injury as at least partial cause for his production issues this year. At different points in the season this was highlighted and then played down. More specifically it would look like he was injured and detached from a given game until a five-minute flurry where he appeared just fine, then it'd be back to non-production again. Opposing analysts made a habit of questioning his injury status...a rarity in this league, especially coming from former players. Was he a courageous player giving his all for the team despite being injured or was he an inconsistent player whose weakest facets got exposed by extra pain? No matter which interpretation you subscribe to, this is the third season out of five in which injuries seriously affected Batum's play...a concern in itself."

     

    Three out of five years his injuries has affected his play.  Is it worth it to chance another year or trade him when he has some value.  If Chicago will trade Gibson and Butler do it.  They are not afriad to play in the paint and they are both more mentally tough than Batum.

     

    I am tired of waiting for Batum to play to his potenital.  His has play five years in the league and has yet to prove himself.  Next season he is due $11.3m.  He is not worth that amount of money and when we can get two quality players likes Gibson & Butler for less money and add depth to our team with players who do not have the history of injuries that Batum does, go for it.

     

    He has trade value now.  In business you minimize the risk and take advantage of an opportuity.  The question is will Olshey take this opportunity.  God I hope so!

     

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/07/2013 11:11 PM

    Good grief Maniac, you doubt his mental state, question his salary, doubt his integrety, doubt his style of play, doubt his skill set and shot selection and turn around and say he has trade value that will bring to players you consider better for less money? Then you doubt the coach. I'm thinking you really are on a Batum bashing, Stotts bashing mission here. Do you really believe he's fooling all these seasoned basketball professionals and teammates? He got really good reviews from pretty much everybody in the basketball world. I get it, you ask if he'll be a star and then completely go off discrediting him. There are plenty of injuries to the wrist that don't show up on an MRI, by the way..just like wooden splinters don't show up on an X ray
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/07/2013 11:13 PM

    If Butler is so great with better scoring rebounds and steals, why would the Bulls give away one of their best low post defenders, and one of their best wing defenders and budding star for Nic Batum and a pick in a weak draft?

    Nic wasn't inconsistent, he was injured. Sometimes he went on a hot streak with his injury, it happens. People are forgetting how he adapted and became a facilitator for the offence with the injury. And not stepping up, how many clutch shots does Nic Batum have? At least one game winner. So many more important shots.

    I am not blind, I can see that Butler will be a better player than Batum, but the trade will not happen. No chance of it happening.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/08/2013 9:55 AM

    You are probably right but you sure as hell have to take any opportunity to get someone like Butler who is just starting to become a star because after next year he will be Paul George and untouchable. 


    The same goes for Sanders who might already be untouchable. 


    LA is an all-star so he has a lot of trade value. How much is uncertain, to some people he is the best PF in the game. To others he is 5th or 6th, basically you hope that a team with multiple pieces you like values him at or near the top of the list and you can get a deal done. 


    The reason you deal LA for people on rookie contracts is simple you control that player. LA even with all a center and making the playoffs could simply decide to go play elsewhere in 2 years. He could say thanks but I am going to Dallas, to Houston, to San Antonio or somewhere else. You will not win a title with LA in the next 2 seasons, but what can you do with Sanders, or Butler in the next 6-7. 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/08/2013 10:44 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 05/08/2013 9:55 AM

    You are probably right but you sure as hell have to take any opportunity to get someone like Butler who is just starting to become a star because after next year he will be Paul George and untouchable. 

    The same goes for Sanders who might already be untouchable. 

    LA is an all-star so he has a lot of trade value. How much is uncertain, to some people he is the best PF in the game. To others he is 5th or 6th, basically you hope that a team with multiple pieces you like values him at or near the top of the list and you can get a deal done. 

    The reason you deal LA for people on rookie contracts is simple you control that player. LA even with all a center and making the playoffs could simply decide to go play elsewhere in 2 years. He could say thanks but I am going to Dallas, to Houston, to San Antonio or somewhere else. You will not win a title with LA in the next 2 seasons, but what can you do with Sanders, or Butler in the next 6-7. 


    Thank you CMeese47, you speak the truth and the truth will set people free. 

     

    I still say you could get Butler for Batum as well as you mentioned in another post.  Bottom line is, that it is either LMA or Batum who has to get traded.  Question is do we committ to LMA by re-doing his contract and allow him to retire in the Blazer Black and Red or do we do with other Blazers who were at the peak of thier career and watch them leave and come back to haunt us (Cliff Robinson, Jermaine O'Neal, Rasheed Wallace-yes he was a nut case but he could play; Zach Randolph and the list could go on). 

     

    Or do we trade Batum who has played only 2 of 5 years without injuries and has shown the Batum faithful glimpses of who he can be when he elects to show up and play consistently, and yes play through pain.  Fans claim he is a great defender, but when his wrist supposedly got hurt, why did the majority of his game go to garbage as well?  If you can answer that question, then maybe he is worth keeping.  Batum has a history of inconsistent play and that is what baffles me.  He even admitted in an interview this season that he cannot answer why he is so inconsistent.  In an interview with the Oregonian after one of his inconsitent moments in the first half of the season, he new what the contract met, but he could not answer why he disappeared late in games.

     

    Thank you David Kahn for screwing us!

     

    Option one, Trade Batum, keep LMA;

    Option two Trade LMA for marquis player, Trade Batum to get two strong Bench additions;

    Option three do nothing and hope Batum decides to show up and maybe we will have a better season.

     

    Time will only tell what Olshey does.

     

     

     

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/08/2013 10:58 AM

    Maniac the issue with that is I am not sure how much value Batum really has. Last year early he probably had a lot he was playing well and was arguably at that time the 5-6th best SF in the game if you count Josh Smith as a PF. But he had a no trade clause.


    Gay who by all accounts had pretty much the same trade value as Batum only returned Ed Davis, Austin Daye, Taushaun Prince and a second. The Grizzlies were already a great team so that was fine for them, Davis is a nice piece and Prince filled in pretty well for Gay. However, a trade like that is not enough for a team with so many holes. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. RipCity 14
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    Posts: 941

    Posted 05/08/2013 12:24 PM

    Realistically, opinions and bias aside, Batum has a chance of being traded, but LMA will not be moved this year for sure. He doesn't want to go, front office doesn't want to move him either. As a Batum fan I never thought he had great defence, good at best. If he goes, he goes, I'll be sad, but if he end up getting some player who doesn't exceed Batum's abilities I'll be pissed. 

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
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