Taking Stock: Will Nicolas Batum Ever Be a Star?
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 04/26/2013 8:13 AM

    This is a great article by Dave.  Points out very good points about Batum's inability to take it to the next level.

     

    Batum is not worth the 11m no matter how Olshey spins numbers and say they are in the LeBron level.  His no trade is up July 18, 2013.  Get rid of him.

     

    We need a bench, and with his 11M we could get a couple of good quality bench players.  We have a good core to build around with LMA and Damian, Wes is good supporting cast along with Eric Maynor.  I like the energy that Wes brings to the floor over Batum and also Wes's leadership.  He is our vocal leader on the team. 

     

    We could also give JJ his 6 to 7 min contract as a good back-up for LMA and also to fill in at Center when Stots wants to go to a small line-up on the floor.  Then we could use the rest of our CAP to go after a good strong Defensive minded Center.

     

    WIth Wes what he lacks in talent, he more than makes up for it with hustle and grit.  Can you say that about Batum?  Don't think so.

    Until Batum quits doing his magical disappearing act in the fourth quarter, personally, I think he is mroe value as a trade commodity for a couple of good quality bench palyers.

     

    Read the article in its entirety, on the link below.  Dave is dead on about this one.

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/4/25/4265986/portland-trail-blazers-nicolas-batum-2013-season

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/26/2013 9:59 AM

    I think people forget how young Nico is and how much talent he has. Injuries hampered both him and Wes yet they played through them for half a season. I think Nico will be a star but not the face of a franchise.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/26/2013 1:12 PM

    Kobe had to tear a muscle in two to come off the court and not be effective Batum allegedly hurts his wrist and disappears. He is not tough enough to be a star in this league a good player maybe borderline all star at some point but never a star

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/26/2013 1:22 PM

    Well I disagree with your assessment of Batum. Sure Kobe, LeBron and Durant are superstars..not a real fair comparison to a guy who's 23-4 and just getting off his first season as an option on the court. He can improve and I think he will. 
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 04/26/2013 2:07 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 04/26/2013 1:12 PM

    Kobe had to tear a muscle in two to come off the court and not be effective Batum allegedly hurts his wrist and disappears. He is not tough enough to be a star in this league a good player maybe borderline all star at some point but never a star


    Well said.  How could we take is $12M or thereabouts and use that to get a couple of good quality bench players.  What sort of trade scenarios could we do?  Thoughts?

     

    Then use JJ's Cap hold, and Maynor's Cap hold which both amount to about $13M, and we would still have the room under the CAP to go after a strong Defensive Minded Center.

     

    LOOK at LMA sprains his ankle at the end of the season and comes back and (does not need to) and plays the last game of the season and puts up 30 Points and 21 Boards.  Talk about toughness!  That is why Batum will never be a star, he will not play tough like LMA, Kobe, Damian.  Hell Wes plays tougher than Batum.

     

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/26/2013 2:50 PM

    For the love of god, he's 24. Give him some time. Not everyone can play though pain like Kobe and Wes. And if you'll note, Wes played horrible when he was injured. Batum knows its better to get better than force the issue. Recognized that he can't shoot because it hurts so he upped his passing and it was great, something that people tend to forget since his scoring was down.. A lot of people on these forums want to trade our core to get a quick fix who will have an immediate impact and spend less money doing it. Trust in the players and the front office. Nic Batum is a rare, rare talent. I can guarantee you BlazerManiac, that by the end of next season, you will bite your tongue and wish you never said this. Well I can't but you probably will. Also players grow. Lebron used to basically be a spoiled brat (2004 Olympics) and look at him now. He's a pretty nice guy. Not like your Kobe or D-Wade who jump and scream every time they don't get a call and like to play dirty.

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 04/26/2013 2:59 PM

    a wrist injury as apposed to a sprained ankle are totally different scenarios and aldridge didn't sprain his ankle he twisted it big difference anywayz batum played through the pain but you can't expect a player to be a huge scoring option if one at all if his wrist is injured I don't care who you are 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/26/2013 4:23 PM

    Batum is physically and mentally weak so while he might be good he will never be a star

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/26/2013 4:27 PM

    Another factor in Nic's case, he was top 3 in minutes played per game this season. His assists and blocks were way up and he had 2 triple doubles before injury and game winning shots. He not only had a wrist injury after the allstar game but a shoulder problem and leading up to the allstar game played a road stretch sick with the flu. I don't think you could ask much more of the guy. Kobe had a great scoring year but also career turnover year and the worst defensive year of his career. Check out Nic's  exit interview and he addresses all the areas he needs work. He also played last summer for the French national team and pretty much came into the season without rest. His exit interview was right on the money.
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 04/26/2013 4:37 PM

    I think cmeese has got it right I think the ceiling for Nic will be an all star player and to be honest he doesn't need to be a quote "star" player Lillard and LA has got that job he just needs to be a good third opinion on the team but, in order for Nic to get to that all star level he needs to be more aggressive on the offensive end and learn to attack off the dribble instead of settling for he step back three.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/26/2013 4:56 PM

    He needs to take that next step for sure because with his trade kicker he is virtually un-tradeable. 

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 04/26/2013 5:06 PM

    Id be willing to wager that 98% of the fans never played an organized sport or were part of any type of team. Most of these whiners would take a week off from work with a papercut. Batum when healthy is a beast. The guy added a few more things to his game this season. His dribble drive and letting go of the three off the curl. Hush !
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/26/2013 6:08 PM

    I can guarantee non of these fan ever made 11 million dollars a year. I liked Batum until he hurt his wrist and regressed to the same old passive player of old

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/26/2013 7:11 PM

    Whole lot of independantly wealthy sports fans make more than that and have lots of time to post msgs on their teams sites. Some even own computers. Nic's paycheck doesn't bother me nor should it bother anyone unless it's Paul Allen. Relief pitchers in baseball make more than that. Bottom line, it's Paul's money and I have never felt lied to by the front office or ownership of my favorite sports franchise. retool is to add new equipment and upgrade a system to make it better and more efficient. rebuild is to improve your system by adding new parts and fixing old ones to achieve the same results...that's not a real big difference by any stretch.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/27/2013 2:00 AM

    I kinda agree with CarlJ1. I honestly think the can be an All-NBAer, but we don't need him to be one. Look at Denver. They have a lot of good players who mesh well and have great chemistry, and they are amazing. We don't have to have a superstar. Look at the 2004 Pistons. I can already picture Batum chasing down a Reggie Miller substitute.

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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 04/28/2013 3:26 PM

    saying Batum had more minutes at his position is not a viable argument not this year anyways his back ups were Claver and Babbitt in the years before they were Fernandez and Webster. Do you think he would be on the floor with a passive attitude going 2-12 with Webster or Fernandez on the bench? Yes Batum is young but he has been in the NBA for 5 years now I think his development time is over.With the contract he got he pretty much said it was. Batum is not worth the 12 mill or whatever he got,between 7-9 would be better but he had Portland over a barrel and he and his manager knew it. You cant begrudge a guy going for the gusto like that. I just know that he is not a first or second option for scoring on this team not game in or game out.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/28/2013 4:20 PM

    How many times do people have to say, he played with a myriad of injuries all season. His shooting before them was insane, he hit so many clutch shots, even a game winner, he was regarded as the number 2 small forward in the west behind Kevin Durant. Just bad luck he got injured and blew the season. Now he has a nice long time to heal, and next year we can see if he is really worth the money or not. We're just talking pre-emptively here. If he kept playing like he was pre injury, we would be falling at his feet and getting swept by the Spurs now, not debating whether he is worth the money or not.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 04/29/2013 8:10 AM

    Theres alot of guys who are 24 and great players already,thats really a bad excuse. I mean He's not ever gonna be a star.Is he a good player,yes.Can he make a All-star team,Maybe? He's basically around the level of a Layfette lever or Alvin robertson type player and thats actually a compliment to Batum
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 04/29/2013 8:20 AM

    #2 small forward in the west,thats cool.Its hard to begrudge a player for trying to make as much as possible when these players have such a short window of oppurtunity,and teams treat it like a business,waiving and amnestying players who rush back from injuries and what not.But to us as fans and we want to see a winning team,we hate having to watch golden state or denver or houston when we wish it was the blazers and it USED to be,its no good. His salary does have a bitter taste cause you've gotta know that in his mind,he knows its high for his productivity,and it also hampers our teams ability to make moves,thus hampering the teams ability to win,which ultimatley is what every player should want,these guys say its all about winning,and wanting a ring,and blah,blah but when it comes down to it would they sacrafice even a million dollars for 20 more wins in the season? If you've got a 60 million dollar contract whats a million dollars? Really?If i can afford to tip a waitress 30 bucks or give a homeless guy 15 bucks,I mean really? some of these guys are soo greedy,cheat on their taxes when they make hundred million,want thier salary adjusted to tax rates when they get traded, remember when marcus camby wanted the league to accomidate him for having to buy suits for the league dress code. Think macys or jc Penny does that for someone making 8.50? But yet these guys make millions and talk about being slaves(Wallace)
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/29/2013 8:37 AM

    Only real solution is to wait and watch. Altleast until the trade deadline next season so we can gauge how other players are doing and make a good trade. I would wait till the end of next season.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 9:00 AM

    Nicolas Batum is so overrated he has tons of potential but he yet to live up to it. 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/29/2013 9:48 AM

    I think Nic will put it all together next season. Again, just listen to his exit interview and he has a clear picture of the steps he needs to make. Being 100% healthy for a whole season is going to show people just how good this guy is.
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  1. spwalsh
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    Posted 04/29/2013 10:36 AM

    Nicolas Batum is worth the money. He has a similar value to Iguodala and Deng in terms of all-around forward production. Check the statistics:

    Luol Deng @ approx. $14.3M

    PPG-16.5 FPG-1.4 TOPG-2 BPG-0.4 SPG-1.1 APG-3 RPG-6.4 FG%-43% 3P%-32 FT%-82%

    PER: 15.12

    Andre Iguodala @ approx. $16.2M

    PPG-13 FPG-1.6 TOPG-2.6 BPG-0.7 SPG-1.7 APG-5.4 RPG-5.3 FG%-45% 3P%-32% FT%-57%

    PER: 15.27

    Nicolas Batum @ approx. $11M

    PPG-14.3 FPG-1.9 TOPG-2.6 BPG-1.4 SPG-1.3 APG-5 RPG-5.6 FG%-42% 3P%-37% FT%-85%

    PER: 15.76

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 10:49 AM

    Yes on PER basis he is comparable to Deng and Iguodola but he is not as good defensively as either. Also Iguodala and Deng are also overpaid. 


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  1. spwalsh
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    Posted 04/29/2013 11:31 AM

    He is not in his prime yet.  He is always going to be underrated just as most all-around players are.  He isn't the best at any one thing, but he is a good passer, a good ball handler, a good defender, a good outside shooter, a good finisher, a good spot up shooter, a good creator, and a good athlete. 

    We didn't pay Batum for his current production.  We took a young player with a huge amount of potential, untapped by previous coaching due to underuse and misuse, and essentially locked him up into his prime.  We also showed him loyalty, meaning that when he does hit the end of that contract, he will be more willing to sign with us if his career progresses like it should.  

    The fact of the matter is that we still don't KNOW what his career will end up like.  We just know what he could be.  It's an investment.  I think it's a good one.    
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 12:05 PM

    Maybe so but none of that makes him a star, good player sure but not a star.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 04/29/2013 12:12 PM

    Again, we need bench strength and with Batum's no trade expiring on July 18, he needs to be on the table of any scenario that takes place. 

     

    LMA and Damian are the two main building blocks.  For straight value and toughness keep Wes over Batum.  Sign JJ & Maynor to thier CAP Holds or less, Trade Batum for a couple of quality bench players, and then use are CAP space to sign a Defensive Minded Center.

     

    JJ can be used in a simlar fashion as Jerome Kersy who played Small Forward and crashed the boards.  Can you imagine a front line of JJ, LMA, and a good Defensive Minded Center?

     

    How long do we need to continue to wait for Batum to live up to his value?  Lets now forget he just completed his FIFTH full season with the Blazers.

     

    To give Batum credit, as far as Raw Talent, I would compare in the Durant and Kobe, however as far as using is Natural Gift like they do, he does not even come close.

     

    I am tired of all the excuses people lay out there in defense of him. 

     

    I love Wes's off season work ethic, like playing in the summer leagure.  He may not have the raw talent that Batum has, but he makes up for it in pure heart.

     

    Do you think Batum will allow himself to play in Summer League and be shown up by some hungry rookie?  Doubtful.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/29/2013 12:42 PM

    You seriously want to start JJ at SF? You must be joking. Think about this Cmeese, if Nic Batum was the star we all know he can be, do you think he would be worth this contract, or more? We know his potential, the coaching staff will train him. Why don't people understand, that in the off season, these guys train and get better. They don't sit around and get fat (Shout out, Ray Felton). We already saw how good he was when he wasn't injured, he'll train and get even better. MIP next year.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 1:45 PM

    Nic's contract is high but I could deal with if he stayed the same player as the first half of the season. My biggest issue is the crazy 15% trade kicker we gave him which bumps him from 11 to 13 million a year and making him so much harder to trade. 


    Borderline all star worth the money inconsistent passive mess not so much

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/29/2013 2:00 PM

    He got that kicker because we don't want to trade him
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 2:01 PM

    He got that kicker because Minnesota gave it to him and we had to match the exact contract

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/29/2013 2:03 PM

    We signed him with all the conditions of his contract. Minnesota didn't make that decision, we did
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 2:13 PM

    Wrong he signed the offer sheet therefore we had to give him whatever he agreed to with Minnesota. 

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_21081779/minnesota-timberwolves-martell-webster-clears-waivers-allowing-team


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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 04/29/2013 2:24 PM

     

    Correction:  Cmesse did post this. I did.

     

    Look Jerome was 6'7" and his typcial playing weight was about 220 to 225.  He was a paint player and rebounder, and he did it at the Small Forward postion.  If he was JJ's size he would be at the Power Forward Position.

    JJ and him have the same body make up, play the same inside the paint and both had nice mid range jumpers.  JJ would give us two good options, playing in a large line-up at SF and then backing up LMA at the PF position.

    I would rather have a SF who can play the paint, and play with toughness around the rim, versus a SF, who basicallly likes to shoot long range jumpers and not mix it up down under.

    Quite honestly after 5 years, aren't you tired of waiting for his potential?  I am.

     

     

     

     

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 2:37 PM

    JJ is not the answer he would get molested on defense at SF. However, SF is a very deep position so finding a good replacement would not be that hard.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 04/29/2013 2:57 PM

    cmeese, we CHOSE to sign him and it was a Blazer decision to do that. I'm glad we did. We could have chosen to let Minnesota have him. The choice was ours. you might not like it but that's reality.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 04/29/2013 5:12 PM

    One of my favorite games of the season
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdrlX1vf7E

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swtuN4Z9JnU

    I need to watch these games to remember how well Nic looked before the injury

    But I still think his offensive game and inconsistency are big red flags. 

    At 11 mil a year, you need to be depended on for at least 15 a game (If your $11 a year on this Blazer team)

    His game is pretty much catch and shoot long range shots. If he played with more hustle and gave it all every game, like he did vs Miami, he would easily get fast break opportunities off of his D. 

    I wish he would become a better ball handler, I dont know why people say he is a good one because he's not.

    Also I wish he would give it his all every game, dosent seem like he plays with enough heart.

    Not ready to give up on Batum yet, but my patience is running low with Nic

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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 04/29/2013 6:17 PM

    It's definitely a do or die season for Nic before more fans start getting restless with him like I said before he has the talent to be an all star caliber player he made some growth before his injury, it's more mental with me what really got to me was when he was injured he didn't realize he was hurting the team when he played it's was mainly 4 on 5 when he was out there because teams started to figure out he wasn't gonna be aggressive when he was injured he needs to be a threat to score because when teams know your a threat to score they zero in on you and it free up the other players and he will have better assist to turnover games and be a triple double threat because teams are not playing him for the pass first he needs to keep the defense off balance and honest and he needs to stay engaged we all know about the disappearing acts he pulls when things are not going right and that the major thing fans are bother by with Batum talent is nice to have but, fans respond and get behind players who live it on the floor and JJ and Wes is a perfect example of that Batum has more talent than both of them but, JJ and Wes get less complaints because they play hard no matter what and it just goes to show how much better a player Batum can be if he played with that mentality we will see me personally he has another year with me because it's not fair to the fans, the organization and it's not fair to the players who want to get in the rotation and help this team it's time for him to dig deep.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 04/29/2013 7:15 PM

    As I have said time and time again, Batum does not have the mental toughness or heart to plat at level that he hsd the talent for.  No trade clause is this summer July 18.  


    Batum has had 5 years to prove his worth.  Guaranteed the same people who said Batum was worth his contract last summer will be saying the same thing next summer.


    What is the definition of insanity?   Still believing Batum will be worth his contract and that he will play consistently and not disappear.



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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/29/2013 7:31 PM

    Maniac the question is what trade value does Batum have before the contract he was young and cheap now he is still pretty young but he is no longer cheap. 


    The best trade I could think of was Charlotte drafting Nelrens Noel and trading us Tyrus Thomas for Batum. While I love Noel that does not seem like much value. 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 04/29/2013 8:12 PM

    Too much redundancy in Matthews in Batums game.  

    Next season make it or break it with Nic

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/29/2013 8:21 PM

    I love Batum, and I agree with you Siccolo. He has one season to make his name. Now he is uninjured, and has an offseason to train. If he really is tough, he needs to show it. Matthews was hitting clutch step back threes with an injured ankle and not making a big deal, but Batum was wincing every time he touched the ball with his wrist. If you can't take it, then sit but don't try to be a hero and injure yourself more. That being said, Wes playing through his pain also cost us a few games.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 04/30/2013 6:27 AM

    Nic is a FIVE YEAR pro.  I don't want to see anymore nonsense about "remember how young Batum is".  Done with the excuses.  In fact, I was done two years ago, and may have been the first to "come out" calling Frenchie out.  Not unlike the rest of BlazerNation, I watched this season hoping Nic would earn that new deal and finally step up.  In fairness, he did, but then fell off the map with his production at a time that coincided with a wrist injury.  I will give him the first half of next season, healthy, to again return to the form he displayed early this season.  If he does not, I'll be publicly calling for his head at the trade deadline.  Bank on it.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/30/2013 6:35 AM

    Even though he is one of my favourites, and he needs to make his mark soon, why do people want to throw him under the bus? You'll be calling for his head? Come on, he played well for us until he got injured. He needs to show some more heart out there. I can't help but think that if he didn't have such a big contract, he would be playing harder, but you shouldn't be calling for his head.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 04/30/2013 7:41 AM

    If the Nic from the last half of last season shows up next year, Get Rid Of Him

    If the NIc from the first half of last season shows up next year, Keep Him

    Simple as that


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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 04/30/2013 8:47 AM

    Agreed, but who do you think will show up?

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/30/2013 9:35 AM

    The question is which Batum will we see if he gets hurt at all. Healthy hopefully he will be aggressive but I would still rather deal him for someone we do not have to worry if they will be aggressive or not like Jimmy Butler.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. BlazerManiac
    BlazerManiac
    Posts: 777

    Posted 04/30/2013 10:53 AM

    Thing is, dont think Batum could survive playing Tom Thibodeau style of agressive Board pounding offense.  Nic could nto cut it.

     

    Butler would be an intertesting fit.  Reminds me of Jerome Kersey.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. CarlJ1
    CarlJ1
    Posts: 399

    Posted 04/30/2013 11:03 AM

    Jimmy Butler will be a gift but, I don't see the Bulls giving away someone who has the potential to be a great 2 way player. 

    I am a fan of Respect, Loyalty, Honor & Pride the same thing the Blazer & their true fans are made of RIP CITY STAND UP!
  1. Curvychloe
    Curvychloe
    Posts: 610

    Posted 04/30/2013 11:07 AM

    I know exactly what your saying about JJ and jerome kersey,thats a good comparison
    I am a fan of Sexy Blondes at courtside
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