What to do with JJ Hickson?
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/04/2013 10:36 AM

    Posted By BLASER on 01/04/2013 8:19 AM

    jj has a great work ethic but he is a below average defender he's almost looking like our version of k love 



    I know you're talking rebounds and points, especially if they were playing the same minutes.  This year however, that comparison is almost an insult to JJ.  Love is shooting .352 FG% on the year and his attitude stinks.  JJ's post defense leaves something to be desired, but he actually runs hustles back on defense unlike Love.  And several coaches and analysts have been quoted as saying that Minnesota is a better team with him off the floor.  Just yesterday, George Karl said as much.  Love left the court with a sprained finger and Minnesota went on to pull out a close win in Denver late in the 4th quarter.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/04/2013 10:45 AM

    JJs defense is a work in progress and there has been improvement. He's still not great at rotations but Love is way worse defensively. My wish is to sweep Minnesota.
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 01/04/2013 11:22 AM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 01/04/2013 10:36 AM
    Posted By BLASER on 01/04/2013 8:19 AM

    jj has a great work ethic but he is a below average defender he's almost looking like our version of k love 



    I know you're talking rebounds and points, especially if they were playing the same minutes.  This year however, that comparison is almost an insult to JJ.  Love is shooting .352 FG% on the year and his attitude stinks.  JJ's post defense leaves something to be desired, but he actually runs hustles back on defense unlike Love.  And several coaches and analysts have been quoted as saying that Minnesota is a better team with him off the floor.  Just yesterday, George Karl said as much.  Love left the court with a sprained finger and Minnesota went on to pull out a close win in Denver late in the 4th quarter.

    yea thats why I said almost his defense is deff better then loves 

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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 01/05/2013 5:00 PM

    I read an article on hoops world that said the Blazers could be the team that makes a trade for Nikola Pekovic... He will demand a large contract, something Minnesota may not be able to pay, which would force them to have to trade. Hoops world said that with all of the cap, second round picks and the emerging jj hickson a deal could get done... Just a quick thought to debate over

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 01/06/2013 9:42 AM

    it would be great to have pek 

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/06/2013 10:05 AM

    To be Honest,all this couldve been avoided if the Blazers woulda just signed him to a 2 or 3 year deal. But who knows, JJ could be another Tim Thomas,a guy whole completely balls when playing for a contract and ones he gets that contract he takes his foot off the peddle. Either way, Blazers sign him to a 2 year deal,and we dont even have to worry about this stuff, we obviously need him, were 18-15 for crying out loud,normally I'd look at thats as a bad record for a blazer team,but this team was expected to be Last in the divivsion and nobody gave then a shot at the playoffs,and yeah its still early,but we just went 3-1 on our roadtrip,first time since 2010 and we got a great unit that has great chemistry which is important,Our starting lineup is one of the better starting lineups there is,we just dont have a bench,if we keep JJ and just add a few decent bench players and were looking at a 50 win team probably.But JJ makes a HUGE difference,and all this coulda been avoided if we just sign Hickson to a 2-3 year deal instead of a stupid 1 year contract,he balled at the end of last season I even seen him go for 30-20 I believe in a game against the clippers last year that we lost by 2,so we shoulda signed him for longer
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/06/2013 11:59 AM

    I take back everything I have said about trading JJ... This team gets something from JJ that you can't see in stats, that only a select few players in the league have. You can't teach what JJ has. I think we are where we are right now because of JJ, because of LA, Wes, Batum, & Dame.

    Trying to screw with that doesn't always work out. We're this good right now With JJ. Anybody talking about defensive centers, pekovic, yada yada is talking about what ifs, is talking about the unkown grey area that you only find out about once that situation occurs. I think we only take a situation like that if we must. Things are good, and getting better. I wouldn't mess with that

    And talk to the heat about having a team without a true center, or the spurs. There are plenty of arguments to back both sides. I'm simply stating the facts: We have no idea if we would be nearly this good without the effort & play of Hickson.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/06/2013 1:41 PM

    I took a look at 15 games this year in which Portland played a legit, 6'11 center or taller.  I excluded 2 games in which LA did not play.  I excluded both Toronto games: Bargnani only played 8 min and was replaced by a rookie, and Ed David crushed JJ in the 2nd meeting, but he's a 6'10 PF, not 6'11+. 

     

    (LA - Howard x2, Hou - Asik x2, LAC - Jordan, Bulls - Noah, Cha - Haywood, Min - Pekovic x2, Cle - Varejao, Cha - Haywood, Ind - Hibbert, Phx - Gortat, NY - Chandler, Mem - Gasol) 

     

    Opposing Bigs:  247 pts  168 reb    JJ:  150 pts  128 reb

    Neary 99 point, 40 rebounds difference.

     

    Those opposing big men are avg 16.5 PPG and 11.2 RPG vs JJ, while JJ is avg 10 PPG and 8.5 RPG.

     

    Then I remember a game like JJ had vs Memphis, 19/11.   Gasol gaurded LA, not JJ.  So you look at the PF possission and Randolphs replacement Speights had 22/13.  It's a wash, but only because Speights was on JJ.  Gasol had 8 blocks that game.

     

    The point in all this is to help illistrate that JJ's defense isn't good.  We can say it is improving, but it's not very good.  Real bigs are T'ing off on him.  JJ is playing out of possission, period.  He's doing the best he can, and I appriciate his effort.  He is the weakest link of the starting 5. 

     

    I'm not sure I can follow you down the false equivilance with Miami and SA.

    Lebron and Wade

    Parker and Ginobili

     

     

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    Posted 01/06/2013 1:48 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 01/03/2013 6:43 AM

     

    You are right on one thing, Defense comes after the shot (a missed shot which comes from good defense).  As I have said I know JJ has mediocre defensive skills, but again in my "Opinion:" his defense is better than LA.

     

    Lets face it last night no one played defense.


    Rebounds come after the shot, defense comes before the shot.  JJ's defense better than LA?  Or in other words, LA's defense is less than mediocre?

    Wow...  and there ya have it.

     

    JJ walks on water as far as you're concerned. lol

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    Posted 01/06/2013 1:52 PM

    Posted By abarrer3 on 01/05/2013 5:00 PM

    I read an article on hoops world that said the Blazers could be the team that makes a trade for Nikola Pekovic... He will demand a large contract, something Minnesota may not be able to pay, which would force them to have to trade. Hoops world said that with all of the cap, second round picks and the emerging jj hickson a deal could get done... Just a quick thought to debate over



    I cannot see a scenario where they let Pekovic go.  I believe they will sign him for anything.  He is the one player right now that they absolutely NEED. 
  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/06/2013 2:06 PM

    I don't see him being moved either.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/06/2013 4:41 PM

    Damn Blazer Fanatic she be posting the most informational statistics!! 

    Never realized Hickson D was that bad....changes my thoughts...

    I'm torn lol

    I don't know if I want Blazers to keep Hickson and sign another defensive Big 

    or

    Trade him for a Starting Center then we can use our cap space better

    hmmmm 

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/06/2013 5:18 PM

    I see your point, and I'm not denying that. But to me every team has a weak point. If it's working though, and that player is helping to make it work, than I think that there is no point in trying to change that, especially when your starting 5 is doing that well. To just point out a player's statistic is nice, but having team chemistry off the roof like we do, is to me why we're doing so well.

    Team
    G
    W
    Min
    Pts
    Reb
    Ast
    Stl
    Blk
    To
    Pf
    Dreb
    Oreb
    fgm-a
    pct
    3gm-a
    pct
    ftm-a
    pct
    eff
    Portland
    33
    18
    173.7
    79.2
    30.4
    16.1
    5.5
    3.7
    10.5
    10.7
    21.6
    8.8
    29.4-65.0
    .453
    6.6-18.2
    .363
    13.7-17.4
    .786
    85.1
    Opponents
    33
    15
    149.7
    62.4
    26.8
    15.1
    4.8
    2.7
    9.1
    10.8
    19.8
    7.0
    24.3-51.8
    .470
    3.8-10.9
    .343
    10.0-12.7
    .788
    72.5

     

    I see your point, but when you have a starting 5 that is this efficient together, than I think the real problem is bench production. Which makes sense considering we have 4 rookies off the bench (who are very raw).

    Team
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    Min
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    Reb
    Ast
    Stl
    Blk
    To
    Pf
    Dreb
    Oreb
    fgm-a
    pct
    3gm-a
    pct
    ftm-a
    pct
    eff

    Portland
    33
    18
    70.1
    17.3
    10.8
    4.3
    2.3
    1.3
    3.8
    8.5
    7.7
    3.2
    6.7-17.6
    .380
    1.6-5.6
    .283
    2.3-3.5
    .675
    20.2

    Opponents
    33
    15
    94.1
    36.3
    15.9
    7.4
    3.7
    1.5
    5.2
    8.0
    11.8
    4.2
    13.4-29.9
    .448
    2.8-8.5
    .331
    6.6-8.6
    .770
    41.2

    When your bench efficiency is almost doubled by your opponents, than I think it's pretty solid where we need help. Especially if you watch the games, you can see it in the 2nd & 3rd quarters when we sub out Lillard, Wes, or Batum. Our bench is the worst in the league, by a longshot. Imagine if we had a bench that could come close to the Clippers, or hell any other decent team really.

    Right now, our starting unit is 3rd in the league in offensive efficiency (5th when you take into account opponent's effiency against those starters) , I'm simply saying that I'm not sure that there's a point in going out and trying to change something that works that well. There is no statistical argument that anyone could make that could PROVE that we would have this same efficiency without JJ

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/06/2013 5:38 PM

    Great posts! I want to thank all of you msg board fans for taking the time to add links, type out stats and thoroughly bring a realistic perspective to the boards. I go to DHawes Free agent link all the time to compare salaries and again, thank you all for your efforts!
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/06/2013 5:59 PM

    We cetainly are not talking about the difference between Lillard and Price, which is the largest drop off in offensive efficiency in the NBA.

     

    JJ absolutely helps the Blazers.  That's not really the question, but seems to be the argument made by many who's response is "SIGN JJ NOW!  HE DESERVES IT!"  JJ is a 5th option. Most of his looks are right AT the rim.  And depite his best efforts, he gets abused often down low against legit centers.  A 7ft big man like Pekovic would be killing JJ in production were Pek a Blazer. 

     

    I don't give much credence to the team's offensive efficiency, or even JJ's, as being a product of JJ, but rather a product of Lillard, Wes, Batum, and LA. 

     

    There's no reason to change anything for the sake of changing.  The is a reason to change our situation at center if it will improve the team.  There are several legit big men that would fit that reasoning for change.  Although, I'd like to keep JJ as well, and only "change" that he not start vs legit big men.  I would most like to keep JJ as a back up PF, or back up Center with a small line up.

     

    You can't uniquivacally prove anything we're talking about that has not occured.  That doesn't mean that there isn't significant data available to make a strong argument that a legit center would improve the Blazers over having JJ play center.

     

    I just don't think we can improve the center possition without giving up JJ.  But the fact remains, JJ is not a center, and he struggles mightily to defend against them in the post.  Time will tell.  We've got nearly 50 games more to play.   We're building a championship contender, not an 8th seed contender, yes?

     

  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/06/2013 6:10 PM

    You need a specialist on the bench. The more I think about it the more I think it's a good move to get a role playing bench center that's an upgrade from Jeffries...screens, defense rebounding and doesn't need to score to bang with DHoward. You use this guy for those matchups and wear down the true centers you play. OKC has started using Perkins more that way. He plays more when needed but doesn't need big minutes to have an effect on the game. Sure it's better to have a seasoned 7ft game changing  center but who is he?
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/06/2013 7:16 PM

    We dont even know if the blazers are gonna spend the money to build a championship contender. If paul allen lost 245 million over the last 10 years,I doubt he's gonna through money at players like he used to in the last 90's early 00's
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/06/2013 8:36 PM

    Yeah I get what you're saying, and I've said it as well, you are not "wrong" for your view, nor am I. I think it's fair to say that it's just two ways to look at it. I'm not saying don't look at players who would be an upgrade, but looking at what JJ brings that makes this team great together as a whole, if we can find a player who does that AND adds a defensive presence, AND afford them & some bench players? Then sure, I'd believe in that possibility.

    But as we both have talked about our cap next year, it might be hard to find someone who is of significant upgrade defensively at C & who fits the bill as to what JJ brings to the starters that really makes them click AND find some bench pieces to sign to pick up some of the slack. But who knows, time will tell. And I do, personally, believe Olshey will look at trades for JJ at the trade deadline, but not necessarily put him on the block.. But I think now that I've really looked at the team all around, I think he'd make sure it be to a player that fits the system right.

    As for Paul Allen, I still believe in him as an owner. I don't think there's any reason to right now believe that he wouldn't want to make this team better.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/07/2013 11:43 AM

    Seems to me that having two starting caliber, borderline all-star power forwards on a roster that's short a center, should be an easy fix.  Throw in some expendable expirings and cap space, and under the guidance of even a moderately competent GM this team WILL improve.  One step backwards to take two steps forward.  Addition by subtraction.  Insert any other appropriate cliche here...(   )


    Hickson has both served himself well AND earned this franchise a starting center in the process.  For the first time in his young NBA career, JJ will have a long term deal and the securities that are inherent, leaving behind him his journeyman status.  He's earned it.  Thank you JJ.  Truly a win/win scenario for both sides (see above "moderately competent GM" quote)

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/07/2013 2:01 PM

    Like I said, we need a better version of Jeffries on the bench. He's ok and a mentor but as a player he's not able to jump or rebound well.
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  1. jivefield
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    Posted 01/08/2013 12:13 AM

    Portland must upgrade at the starting 2 guard and somehow build a bench with 3 solid contributors.Wes Mathews is nice,but he is a role player...we need an all-star level starting 2 with a guy like Wes coming off the bench.I'm not being critical of Mathews,he is an excellent player,but a guy who can create his own shot and create for others is very important if a team wants to go deep in the playoffs,Wes is not that type of skilled player.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/08/2013 3:00 AM

    Posted By jivefield on 01/08/2013 12:13 AM
    Portland must upgrade at the starting 2 guard and somehow build a bench with 3 solid contributors.Wes Mathews is nice,but he is a role player...we need an all-star level starting 2 with a guy like Wes coming off the bench.I'm not being critical of Mathews,he is an excellent player,but a guy who can create his own shot and create for others is very important if a team wants to go deep in the playoffs,Wes is not that type of skilled player.


    It would enhance your point, and the discussion if you had some reasoning that lead you to think so, if not a solution.  ; )

    Explain the "somehow" if you could please? 

     

    What makes you think Wes cannot create his own shot or create for others?  We need a guy who can "create his own shot and create for others..." other than Batum and Lillard and Wes and LA?

     

     

    By the numbers:

    Wes missed out on 8 games this season with a stained hip flexor, and sat for the first time in his carreer after some 250 consecutive games played.

    After 26 games played this season (excluding 2 games he played 13 min):

    Wes is the only Blazer shooting over 40% from 3  (42.5% - 12th in the NBA and 6th among all SGs)

    44.7% shooting from the field, 11th among all SGs

    16.8 PPG, 33rd in the entire NBA and 9th among SGs.

    1.6 SPG, 13th in the entire NBA, 3rd among SGs.

    0.38 BPG, 13th among SGs

    2.2 TO P48 ranking him better than 250 other NBA players, 23rd among SGs

    36:44 MPG ranks him 22nd in the NBA, 6th among all other SGs

     

    JR Smith, Aaron Afflalo, OJ Mayo, Joe Johnson, and Andre Iguodala, Lou Williams, DeMar DeRozan, Klay Thompson, and Jamal Crawford don't really fit the "upgrade" when you look at the numbers.  Which leaves Kobe Bryant, James Harden, Dwayne Wade, and Eric Gordon (who we pursued last summer and has played all of 2 games).

    Gordon $13.67 mil

    Harden $16 mil

    Wade $17.1 mil

    Kobe $27.9 mil

     

    Matthews...  $6.5 mil

     

    You're correct:  Wes is not Kobe, or Wade, or Harden, or Gordon.  How do you suggest getting one of these 4 SGs so the Blazers can go deep into the playoffs?

     

    Best case scenario:  add at least $7 mil to the teams salary, S&T away Hickson with Matthews at a minimum, and now the Blazers are a team of:

    LA, All-Star Shooting guard, Lillard, Batum, no center, no bench, and maybe $5-6 mil in cap space to spend on that guy like Wes we just traded away to come in for the All-Star shooting guard we just aquired. 

     

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/08/2013 7:46 AM

    I think we need a guy who can come in and get buckets and make his own shot too....I dont feel we need to get rid of Wes tho....

    Nick Young and Randy Foye come to mind.... Damian is the only one that can make a shot off the dribble...

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/08/2013 3:25 PM

    Wes is more than a stat, he's a floor coach glue guy. He never complains, never quits and just keeps a sense of forward motion on the team. I love the guy. We do need a guy to come off the bench behind him that can score.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/08/2013 4:02 PM

    Posted By riverman on 01/08/2013 3:25 PM

    Wes is more than a stat, he's a floor coach glue guy. He never complains, never quits and just keeps a sense of forward motion on the team. I love the guy. We do need a guy to come off the bench behind him that can score.



    Exactly.  But, if all he were, was a stat, it is difficult to make a compelling case that he isn't a starting SG.
  1. freddead
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    Posted 01/09/2013 12:47 AM

    i got a question who exactly is an upgrade from wes?
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/09/2013 3:06 PM

    JJ is a keeper. As well as Wes. The pickings out there available are anorexic at best.  I like Olsheys ability to evaluate talent. He's almost Pritchard like in his approach. All we need is to find a raw gem like Pekovic or Gortat which were relative unknowns before they came stateside.
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  1. Bob Vincent
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    Posted 01/09/2013 5:04 PM

    Hicky?? Really?
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  1. stevestu
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    Posted 01/09/2013 6:42 PM

    JJ is a great contributor. I am hoping he is eventually replaced at center by Leonard. The SG position we have an excellent contributor in Wes and a potentially excellent back up in Elliot Williams.

    The real issue with JJ is will he want to play back up to Aldrige at PF? Or for that matter, will we be able to afford to keep him as a backup if he continues to produce as he has?

    Unless someone is ready to give up on Leonard or Williams then the position to focus on for improvement is back up point guard. I watched the D league games and Nolan did well but his turn overs still concern me at the NBA level. I'm not convinced that either  he  or Price will get up to NBA speed.

    Since this thread is about JJ, I'll finish with my opinion that we should hold on to him as long as we can afford to and get good value in the trade when the time comes for him to blossom as a starting PF for someone else.

     

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  1. robbiet
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    Posted 01/09/2013 7:32 PM

    JJ Hickson has my write in vote for the All Star team. You don't have to be 7' to play the 5 and JJ has proven that. Our offense is is suited to his aggressive play. I also say keep him.  Go Blazers!!

     

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/11/2013 1:00 PM

    JJ Hickson has what you cant teach.... HUSTLE. The man plays like  the game is on the line every play. As for him being undersized at the pivot, thats a minus that i'll take anyday. There are seven footers that dont play with his heart and tenacity. We sure as hell wouldnt be where we are this season without him. His name might as well be NIKE because he just does it. No retreat, no surrender. Jeffries and Nolan are the expendable ones as of now.Sashas salary is being paid by NY i believe so we're playing with house money in that regard.I personally would go after Andrew Bynum. I dont know if we could get him or what we'd have to give up, but he would certainly be worth pursuing. A line up of Bynum,L.A., Batum,Matthews and Lillard would be scary. Then JJ could play his natural position and come off the bench behind L.A. and give us some beastiality off the bench.  
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/11/2013 2:30 PM

    I have to respectfully disagree CT.  No way do I ever want to see Bynum in a Blazer jersey.  His health issues, not all of which are of the physical variety, are more than enough to scare me the other direction.  Hickson has to go.  He's a starting 4 and has EARNED that, taking full advantage of the opportunity he was finally given here in Portland.  Not only is affording him a question, but paying him what his market value will command to come off the bench, and with a shrinking cap, isn't necessarily financially responsible.  Further, without having a drink or two with the guy and bending his ear on the subject, I'm going to guess JJ doesn't WANT to come of the pine anymore.  He's earned a starting job, and he'll get it...just not on a team with Aldridge on the roster.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/11/2013 3:15 PM

    I'll agree for the sake of argument, but id much rather have Bynum over Howard,Hibbert or Cousinns. Pekovic and or Gortat wouldnt be bad options.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/11/2013 4:02 PM

    I actually would want Cousins here before Howard and Bynum

    Centers I would want on Blazers

    Cousins

    Pekovic close second

    Howard

    Bynum

    Gortat

    Hibbert

    But Gortat might be the only realistic one of being a Blazer lol Pekovic too

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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 01/11/2013 10:35 PM

    Add me on the list of not wanting Bynum as much as this team would have the possibility to dominate with him like BDawg said his health issues is a problem for he it would be like GO all over again but, the most important thing that he lacks is the passion for the game I don't see the drive to get better from him especially when you tell the great Kareem Abdul Jabbar that I don't need you anymore and I feel he would kill our chemistry that we have built and as much as he had pretty good seasons these past two seasons I not willing to take that chance with him he hasn't shown me enough consistency to take that risk.
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    Posted 01/12/2013 7:11 AM

    Okay, I've thought of a few trade options lately, after coming to the realisation we won't be getting JJ back without having to break the bank. I've seen Boston are going for a big and are looking to ship out Courtney Lee, but Sullinger is considered 'the future', and won't give him up. Obviously this would have to wait until Meyers, and Melo, are back to full fitness.

    Portland get: Courtney Lee, Fab Melo, '13 1st rounder (lottery protected)
    Boston get: J.J. Hickson

    Then, just a bit-part trade

    Portland get: MarShon Brooks
    Brooklyn get: Jared Jeffries, Nolan Smith, Sasha Pavlovic, '13 2nd rounder

    I am a fan of Lillard, Leonard and our strong core leading us back to the top!
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/12/2013 10:44 AM

    I think we can more out of Hickson. Besides Boston would want a True center so they can play KG at the 4 again, Dont know if they want another 4.


    I like the Marshon Brook trade tho BUT I would miss Jeffries lololol 

    But I dont know if BKN takes it, they are taking in 3 players (if Nolan counts) and I dont know if there roster is at 15 or not....

    Maybe Sasha, Claver and '13 Second Rounder for Marshon Brooks

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/12/2013 1:16 PM

    I have come up with the greatest trade of all time

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cmm9fnc


    Mem gets- expiring contract in Babbit and Calderon, also hometown boy Will Barton. Then get nice wing in Landry Fields

    Toronto gets- Rudy Gay and Hickson....Hick, Gay, Lowry, Valciunous = Very Good Core

    Blazers gets- VERY good SG in Derozan, Ed Davis who is also very good for our second unit then a solid center Hamed Haddadi....we would be a Dalembert/Mozgov away from MONSTERS


    hahah best trade ever

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/13/2013 2:49 PM

    As in never would happen, you mean..
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/13/2013 3:50 PM

    This trade is going to happen....Colangelo is on board. Im just waiting for Chris Wallace to call, ...Since this will change the team a lot, I guess this is the best time to reveal it

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/13/2013 4:58 PM

    Posted By Siccolo on 01/13/2013 3:50 PM

    This trade is going to happen....Colangelo is on board. Im just waiting for Chris Wallace to call, ...Since this will change the team a lot, I guess this is the best time to reveal it

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/13/2013 8:55 PM

    lol its the perfect disguise 

    not black tho lol

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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 01/13/2013 9:32 PM

    What about a trade for Ian Mahinmi? That guy is playing real well for the Pacers and to have him as a true center would really help...plus he and Batum can have a french connection
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 01/14/2013 6:43 AM

     

    If he has the much Hustle, and we are in a playoff run, do we sabotage the playoff chance and continue the re-building process and trade him; or do we sign him and get a strong Center in free agency and have him come in as a back-up to LA?

    He has a talent that is not too often seen in a player as commontongue indicated which is HUSTLE and he also knows how to play in the paint. 

    Olshey do the right thing and sign him and get it over with.

    Great article below

     

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/1/14/3874856/jj-hickson-trade-rumors-blazers#comments

     

    J.J. Hickson trade rumors: Will Blazers flip forward before deadline?

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    Blazers general manager Neil Olshey has a decision to make with J.J. Hickson, who is averaging a double-double on the season. Should the big man be considered a part of Portland's long-term plan, or should he be dealt at the trade deadline?

    After struggling for much of last season in Sacramento, Trail Blazers big man J.J. Hickson has enjoyed a rejuvenation this year in Portland. However, John Canzano of The Oregonian says that Hickson's strong season coupled with the Blazers' resurgence has put general manager Neil Olshey in a bit of a pickle.

    Hickson, who is averaging 12.0 points and 10.9 rebounds this year, signed just a one-year, $4 million deal with Portland this offseason. With the 24-year-old set to become an unrestricted free agent after the season, Olshey has to decide whether or not Hickson will be a part of the Blazers' long-term plans, or whether he needs to be moved before the trade deadline.

    If Portland's struggles from earlier in the season had continued, the decision would not be as hard. But now with the Blazers at 20-17 and fighting for a playoff spot in the crowded Western Conference, it could be a tough sell to move a player like Hickson, who has been so effective over the course of the year. 2012 first-round draft pick Meyers Leonard is currently in place as the backup center, but he's very raw and needs some time to develop.

    Further complicating matters is the fact that there appears to be some debate over just how much Hickson is worth on the trade market. Canzano reports that numerous league executives believe that despite his excellent play this season, Hickson may not be worth much more than a couple of second-round draft picks. Dealing the hard working big man for that kind of return would be sure to upset some fans.

    But then again, missing the playoffs may not actually be the worst thing in the world for Portland. If the Blazers fail to make the postseason, they get to keep their 2013 first-round pick, which is currently protected to No. 12 to the Charlotte Bobcats as part of the Gerald Wallace deal. That pick could be a huge help in improving Portland's serious lack of depth on the roster.

    The Blazers are also gearing up for a big run in free agency, as they stand to have quite a bit of cap space heading into the summer. Re-signing Hickson would likely take a big chunk out of that space.

    Situations like these are always tough for general managers. You hate to trade a guy who is playing well on a team in the playoff chase. However, you also have to look at the big picture, and losing assets for nothing is not something you really want to do. That's the dilemma currently staring Olshey straight in the face.

     

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/14/2013 10:20 AM

    To me missing the playoffs is always the worst thing in the world. That's just me...JJ will win us some games and I think he'll be back if he's not too expensive. I'd like to see him back but if he's signed have a serious big man coach work with him on his defense and passing out of the paint
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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 01/16/2013 10:59 PM

    My question is: Would we really want to roll the dice on another big and just give up JJ? I think that he is a very good piece and keeps the team interacted too much to just let him go or trade him away. I say that we work on getting rid of the weak links on the bench such as Nolan and work on getting cheap quality players who are willing to work hard. Another question we should ask ourselves is if we really believe that Elliot Williams is worth holding onto...when is he supposed be back?

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 01/17/2013 7:42 AM

    Agreed

    JJ is the most consistent day in and day out hustle player we have.  He plays a consistent 30 minutes a night and as the Cleveland announcers said last night he is a Garbage Player (they said it with respect to his talent) meaning he goes in and pounds the board and plays physical almost every night.  Who else do we have on the team that plays that physical every night in the Low Post?  LA, yea he does but not nearly the amount that JJ does.  Batum? not a chance!, Wes, some.

    We have a player who is proven and plays well in the system that Stotts is developing, so why bring in a player who may not fit (remember JJ in Sacramento)?  Why take the risk?  Because of limiting our ability to spemd money in the summer?  To me it is far more risky then to let him go.

    If anything do something about Batum's turnovers.  In the last 4 games he has had 19 T/O's.  Also do something about the Blazers not playing for the first 2 1/2  to 3 quarters and trying to rally in the fourth.  Also do something about the teams shot selectiom.  I cringe everytime they come down the floor and all they do is take jumpers.  The focus of the offense needs to be getting the ball to LA in the low post!

    I have stayed off these boards for a few weeks as really got tired of some of the members on this board who have condescending and critical attidues when someone is critical of their beloved Blazers.   This is an opinion board and they need to be respected.  Some people on this board are determined to prove other people wrong (I caught myself doing that in the past and quite honestly I wasted a lot of time on something I had no control over).  This board is for opinions only in my opinion and htey need to be respected.

    I love the Blazers too, but I am tired of all this talk about CAP when one, we have no control over it, and two when we have a quality player like JJ the team is willing to risk losing him just to try and spend the most amount of money  in the summer.  Sign JJ to a 4 year $25m to $30m contract with some Bonuses in there for performance, like winning the rebounding title, leading the league in double doubles etc. and you will either have one more year of him playing center if they do not get one this summer while Leonard  develops (if he does) and then the following year have him coming off the bench and backing up LA.  If we cannot secure a center, at least we know we will have a physical double douoble player in the middle.

    He is a good solid physical player and they are hard to find.  When you get one, keep him.

     

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 01/17/2013 7:46 AM

    I do not know what happen to my post as it appears dark shaded, just drag your curser over it and you will be able to read it.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/17/2013 5:44 PM

    JJ Consistantly:

    Shoots below 66% from the free throw line

    Shoots below 59% in the restricted area

    Shoot below 41% in the paint (everywhere in the paint aside from the restricted area)

    Grabs defensive rebounds the team would otherwise get

    Doesn't box out allowing opponents to grab offensive rebounds

    Shoots the ball instead of passing out of the post

    Plays poor post defense

    Undersized at his possition

    Makes poor passes and doesn't create for teamates (1APG)

    Fumbles the ball on rebounds and entry passes

    Averages less than 30 minutes per game (8 minutes or more fewer than Lillard, LA, and Batum, and 6 less than Matthews)

     

    Just my subjective opinion most of which is based on subjective statistics and watching every game (sometimes 2 and 3 times each).  The issue for me has nothing to do with getting rid of JJ, or saying he is THE problem.  I do feel he is the weakest link in the starting line up, but would be a solid link coming off the bench with those 29 minutes.  My contention has always been, if there is a player who out performs JJ at center, and the cost of that player would force Portland to let JJ go, then so be it.  My arugment has never been to let JJ go for the sake of letting him go.

     

    Clearly there are those individuals that feel we should pay JJ whatever he wants and keep him at all costs.  I don't feel that argument is very strong, nor does it address the larger issue of building a contending TEAM.  I will be extremely disappointed if next year's Blazers look like this years Blazers because they decided to give JJ a huge contract.  The CBA and the salary cap matters.  There are rules. I would emplore those that are interested to read my blog "Blazers 2013-14 Salary Cap."  The CBA and salary cap discussion isn't one of Paul Allen saving money, it's about rules that dictate what a team can or cannot do.

     

    @ BlazerManiac - IF the Blazers were able to sign JJ to $6.25-7.5 mil for next year, they would have a 9 man roster (LA, Wes, Lillard, Batum, JJ, Leonard, Freeland, Claver, Baton) with $5-6 mil in cap room.   Do you feel JJ is a legit starting center?  What legit starting center could the Blazers get for $5-6 mil?  Do you feel Meyers can start at center next season?  Who do you sign for the 6 remaining spots with $5-6 mil and a $2.6 mil exception (that Portland can use to exceed the cap)?

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/17/2013 7:10 PM

    Aye what are bird rights????????????? lol

    I thought it meant that if we sign JJ it would count against the cap or something LOL

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