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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/27/2012 8:52 AM

    I was listening to a podcast about the NBA and one of the commentators was talking about players who've never been on a team that suits their skillsets and one of them was Emaka Okafor with the Wizards. Every team that's signed him has relied on him for offense and that's not his game. He's purely a rebounder, blocker and great defender of the paint. Their perfect match for him...Portland. I thought it was an interesting take on a guy I never give much thought to but they claimed he'd be a perfect fit here and the Wiz are going to blow it up this year anyway. Barton showed marked improvement last night as did Ronnie Price.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/27/2012 9:31 AM

    Okafor would be a nice fit except for his massive contract. He is making 13.5 million this year and 14.5 next season, he might be worth a gamble if Portland was just one piece away but considering the gaping number of holes on this roster we cannot eat that much salary.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/27/2012 10:05 AM

    Olajuwon,I've been saying that forever,he's the man,Barton Balled last nite,our bench is showing alot of improvement,batum continues to put up solid all around numbers every game. And Hickson, He's a Beast
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/27/2012 10:10 AM

    Rooting against minnesota is a goodd thing
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/27/2012 10:24 AM

    Posted By riverman on 12/27/2012 8:52 AM
    I was listening to a podcast about the NBA and one of the commentators was talking about players who've never been on a team that suits their skillsets and one of them was Emaka Okafor with the Wizards. Every team that's signed him has relied on him for offense and that's not his game. He's purely a rebounder, blocker and great defender of the paint. Their perfect match for him...Portland. I thought it was an interesting take on a guy I never give much thought to but they claimed he'd be a perfect fit here and the Wiz are going to blow it up this year anyway. Barton showed marked improvement last night as did Ronnie Price.

    Perfect... were it not for:

    2011-12: $12,642,500.
    2012-13: $13,640,000.
    2013-14: $14,637,500.

     

     

  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/27/2012 10:50 AM

    That's Marcus Camby money or Gerald Wallace money...a whole lotta scratch! Big men don't come cheap..Al Jefferson, somewhere between 15-16 mill this season. We'd have to shed salary to sign any marquis big, legit center.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/27/2012 11:01 AM

    Yeah Look at the deals we offered Millsap and Hibbard from indian. I dont remember the Dollar numbers, I'm sure Blazer Fanatic has the stats. Any big man is expensive but I think people would agree that Okafor,Camby or Gerald wallace are not worth those kinds of dollars
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/27/2012 11:04 AM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 12/26/2012 4:07 PM

    BORED.   As in, feel free to start a "Wes for 6th man" thread.

    The assumptions I made is that we need:

    A starting C

    A back up PG

    A back up SG

    A back up SF

    A back up C

     

    If we sign JJ, we could get by next season playing JJ at back up C, and a back up PF (Leonard and Freeland would fill out the roster there).

     

    If we sign JJ, I don't see us doing so for very much, leaving 8-9 mil in cap room to sign:

    A starting Center

    A back up SG

    A back up PG

     

     

     Its Funny how we need a Back up PG,Back up SG,back up SF and Back up Center, Basically a whole New Bench.lol

     

    I don't think signing Allen is very likely, unless we go really cheap with an Old-Man Rivers back up center and continue to start JJ.  I think that if the Blazer could only make 1 move, aside from resigning JJ, it would be to get a starting 7 foot big man. 



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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/27/2012 11:06 AM

    Didnt we have Haseem Tabit and Omeka Okafur last year? Whats up with them,they're that bad
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/27/2012 12:05 PM

    Posted By riverman on 12/27/2012 10:50 AM

    That's Marcus Camby money or Gerald Wallace money...a whole lotta scratch! Big men don't come cheap..Al Jefferson, somewhere between 15-16 mill this season. We'd have to shed salary to sign any marquis big, legit center.


    There's only 1 center in the league I'd spend 1/4 of my salary cap on:  Dwight Howard.  The era for those kind of contracts is over for the "not so All-Star" and "definitely not MVPs."

     

    To shed that kind of salary, you'd have to blow up the core of the team... for Okafor?  You could do it, but you'd end up worse off and sentencing yourself to the lottery for who knows how long.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/27/2012 2:57 PM

    At least we did not get Hibbert he has been a bust for Indiana this year. 2.9 blocks are nice but for 15 million you better average at least a double double.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/27/2012 2:58 PM

    That was more like dodging a scud missle. 
  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/27/2012 3:05 PM

    There is only one center in the league..they are becoming extinct. 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/27/2012 3:12 PM

    I blame taco bell.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/27/2012 4:46 PM

    I wonder if the Hornets would consider trading Anthony Davis if we were willing to take on Eric Gordon and his injury prone knees? 

    That would give us a defensive minded big who can also score. A dynamic if ever healthy Gordon to be our sixth man. I am not sure this deal is even possible but making a move for someone like Davis would be worth the gamble.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/27/2012 7:13 PM

    We should have picked up Chris Kaman.  That's the right price, $8 mil,  for a legit center who can play 2-30 minutes a game would have made a huge difference this year and even next.  Hickson would have been able to come in the game for Kamen and eventually sub out LA for either Leonard or Freeman.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/27/2012 8:27 PM

    I fear Kamans knees, ankles and every other joint make of bone and cartilage. He's always injured which is why his price tag dropped. He has skills but like Bogut...they rarely see the court. Just don't want a big guy with a history of injuries
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/27/2012 8:29 PM

    We should have picked up Asik but the Rockets over paid him. Varejao wants out of Cleveland though.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/27/2012 11:26 PM

    Well FO went after Asik and Kamen but things did not work out so...

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/28/2012 4:45 AM

    I'd love to have varejao but we'd have to break up our core in order to get him 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/28/2012 10:01 AM

    Give JJ the same minutes and their numbers are virtually identical and JJ is 6 years younger. Is the extra inch really worth making the move? 


    I say go get him if will take Babbitt, Freeland and Nolan Smith for him but considering that will not happen I do not see how he becomes a Blazer.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/28/2012 10:06 AM

    Chris Kaman Is a Great call! The Only downside is All the Injuries,I mean what team is he on,Dallas,is he even playing?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/28/2012 11:04 AM

    I would love to see us try and acquire either Iman Shumpert or Avery Bradley. Right now both are hurt but when healthy they rival Tony Allen as the leagues best perimeter defender. 

    Another player that could be added to the bench is Brandan Wright in around 15 minutes a night Wright adds some scoring punch and shot blocking for the Mavs and is over 20 again in PER. He would be a nice replacement for Freeland or Jeffries.

    One other player who would be a nice pick right now is Eric Bledsoe. He is not playing a ton of minutes but what he is playing is impactful. He is putting solid balance stats and playing aggressive excellent defense. He would be a major upgrade over Price or Smith. 

    Adding Bradley, Bledsoe and Wright would be a huge step in the right direction and would give this team a vastly improved bench. What are your thoughts?

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/28/2012 11:56 AM

    Those three would be great here. I dont know if Celtics is going to give up Bradley, I think they wouldve but they realized he is much better than Courtney Lee who they will let go before Avery. 

    Blazers should pursue Brendan Wirght also, I would love to see us grab Wright and either Boubois/DoJo/CDR any of the wings Dallas has.

    Bledsoe would be nice but I doubt Clippers trade him the way they are playing

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/28/2012 12:15 PM

    Priorities for needs are going to matter a great deal with somewhat limited cap flexibility.

    Starting Center

    Back-up SG

    Back-up PG

    Resign Hickson

    Everything else...

     

    IF the Blazers could get those four things done by the end of free agency, it would be the best case scenario.  I could live with accomplishing 3 of those.  

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/28/2012 1:18 PM

    I am not sure we need a starting Center, what we need is LA being willing to share some of the defensive burden and guard the five during stretches of the game. LA is 6-11 1/4 with a 7-5 wing span why shouldn't he be asked to guard larger players especially if it would help the team. 


    I like Leonard and hope he does well for us but it is looking like a really bad move that we were not willing to move up and take Drummond to go along with Lillard.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/28/2012 2:41 PM

    I think over the last few games since he injured his wrist, LA has been playing improved defense. If Freeland and Leonard develop quickly we'll be ok but that's a big if. Since the new CBA will impose a 4 dollar to 1 dollar luxury tax. A lot of players with high salaries will not move. There are several bottom feeding franchises that are going to blow up their teams after this season and that's where the free agent class will be. Although it's a recycling process, who's going to be available?
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/28/2012 4:47 PM

    I was saying this weeks before the draft....Lillard and Drummond would have been the best draft since Roy and Aldridge. We would be beastinnggg right now BUT then Lillard stock rose quick so we werent able to draft him at 11, we had to pick him up 6. IMAGINE if Detroit and New Orleans passed up on Drummond.

    But yeah I think we should continue to start LA and Hickson and bring in another big man to play with them and Leonard. Back up PG should be easy since this FA is loaded with PGs. SG is ok in the FA too, the problem will be paying Hickson

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/28/2012 5:26 PM

    I don't want to get too side tracked dwelling on what could have been.

     

    I find an argument, "It's not JJ's fault, it's LA's fault," misleading at best.  When you talk about needs, you have to agree on, and accept, the same set of facts as everyone you're having the discussion with.

     

    If you are one who does not believe Olshey (that Matthews, Lillard, LA, and Batum are the core of this team that he wants to build around) then this is not the thread might not be the place to say so.  This thread is based on a set of assumptions:

    LA is an All-Star PF and giving him up would set the Blazers backward.

    Lillard is a ROY, and the Blazer's franchise PG

    We made a choice on Batum already, and got it right

    There are a handful of SGs that are better than Matthews, none remotely close to 6 mil a year

     

    If people disagrees with these assumptions, then it's difficult to have a discussion, especially about something that is 6th months out.  Please try to keep this in mind, as well as the salary cap situation I posted earlier as we scratch our melons, searching for options/solutions.

     

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/28/2012 5:39 PM

    Posted By riverman on 12/28/2012 2:41 PM
    Since the new CBA will impose a 4 dollar to 1 dollar luxury tax. A lot of players with high salaries will not move.


    This is the point I keep trying to make in explaining, and re-explaining our cap situation.  Rice made a point to ask how much Howard with cost the Lakers if they resign him next year... some $90 mil.  No, that's not a typo - that's 30 million over the salary cap for 1 player... 30 million over the entire Blazer roster.  This is why I find it so disappointing when people question Paul Allens will to win.  Not a single Blazer fan that would do that with their money, unless they were the type that enjoys living in a van down by the river, eating a steady diet of government cheese.

  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/28/2012 5:41 PM

    Kostas Papanidolaou, 6'8 230lbs SF, 22 years old

    Georgies Printezis 6'9 PF clutch shooter 27 years old.

    I'm intersted in whether or not they are NBA ready..the media claims Papanidolaou is ready for the NBA and strong as an ox. Good defender, spotty shooter who needs to improve his outside shot but has an endless motor and great ball handling skills. Gets his pts in the paint. Printezis is a pure shooter, can defend and can shoot over long wings with ease.

    Ronny Turiaf can be obtained fairly cheaply and has played with Nico countless times. A solid bench big man.

    Teams probably blowing up the roster next season, Wizards, Pistons, Kings, Suns, Cavs and possibly even the Nets.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/28/2012 6:29 PM

    I posted the same on page 1 riverman.  I have been looking for info sinse. 
  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/28/2012 6:52 PM

    I just really need the practice typing their names! Youtube had some good footage of Kostas playing in Greece

     

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 12/28/2012 6:57 PM

    @river...add Orlando to your list of teams about to go boom.  From everything I've been hearing and reading, the Magic may be having a fire sale before February's trade deadline THIS season.  JJ Reddick is a name that has repeatedly come up.  There is bench help my friend.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/28/2012 10:07 PM

    This Laker game has so many things to be critical of, so I'll try to tip toe through the frustration and get to symptomatic issues that relate to what we need.

     

    This game completely exposed what not having a 7ft center than can rebound means for Portland.  I don't want to hear anything negative about LA.  LA was THE offense out there and making great defensive plays that don't appear on the stat sheet.  JJ 2pts, 8 boards (2 on the same play).  JJ was doing work no doubt, he just got killed by size. 

     

    Leonard and Barton are serious projects, and it's painful to watch when they aren't dunking - Meyers not being able to get possition and grab rebounds, and Barton making poor decisions.  Baton too often plays like he's the center piece of the offense out there, always looking to score first. 

     

    Lillard wasn't very good from the field tonight, but certainly not a rookie wall effect.  He was double teamed all game.  With LA on the floor, teams are forced to choose who to double.  Lillard didn't have a Matthews in the game to bring relief and make the Fakers pay for doubling him.  If anything, Matthews being out was the biggest reason for the loss.  All the more reason he's 1 of 4, Olshey says are the core of this team.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/28/2012 11:54 PM

    There was a lot wrong with the game tonight. JJ cannot handle someone like Howard then again few people can match that huge Laker front line. However, my biggest issue came with Batum tonight. I like that he is becoming a facilitator but when Kobe is guarding Lillard, Batum has to shoot the ball. 11 shot attempts is not enough on a night like this. He did not play a bad game but he needs to find balance soon.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/29/2012 12:11 AM

    There was very little ball movement tonight and Nic was our assist leader with 8. I agree that Meyers and Barton are showing big holes in their games. Meyers loses a lot of rebounds and tips. Not great hands for a center yet and he just doesn't have the post moves down yet. Barton has a little Allen Iverson to his game and he wants to shoot all the time. I was really surprised Freeland didn't get in the game earlier. Oh well...on to the 76ers
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 12/29/2012 12:35 AM

    Barton is slowly morphing into EXACTLY what this team needs at the 2 behind Matthews.  A player, any player, who has a score first mentality and the ability to do it...creating for himself and others off the dribble.  Imo, Barton is maturing before our eyes, gaining confidence with experience in Wes' absence.  His decision making is steadily improving.  What I saw tonight wasn't a score first player.  I saw a create first 2 with an attack-the-rim mentality.  Love it.  Give me some more Thrill Will!  Keep on keepin' on.
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/29/2012 8:00 AM

    yea I'm liking how will has been playing over the last couple games looks like he's getting confidence out there 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/29/2012 8:01 AM

    but honestly we need wes back soon were a much better team when he's playing 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/29/2012 8:02 AM

    Posted By BDawg on 12/28/2012 6:57 PM
    @river...add Orlando to your list of teams about to go boom.  From everything I've been hearing and reading, the Magic may be having a fire sale before February's trade deadline THIS season.  JJ Reddick is a name that has repeatedly come up.  There is bench help my friend.

    I expect olshey to be in talks on trying to bring reddick here 

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/29/2012 8:32 AM

    Breaking down this game is silly,first of all when We play in Portland Its a totally different game,I mean what were are players lines in that game against the exact same team. It was all about momentum,lakers got the lead early, got that confidence going and just rode it,and the second half was total garbage time so stats in this game means nothing, Victor Claver hit a 3 midway through first half to get us close,and then The lakers made a run after that and blazers never recovered. You'd like to say Barton played good,but like I said it was all garbage time so who even knows,he did do a nice air reverse though.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/29/2012 9:49 AM

    Champions win on the road, we showed once again we are a young team with lots of holes getting pounded by the Lakers tonight. 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/29/2012 2:09 PM

    In today's game and moving forward a deep playoff team needs a paint stopper, pure defender that rebounds and if he passes well, you're set. They don't need this guy for every game, it's a matchup tool. Against Howard the Thunder are going to use Perkins when they need stops to bang in the post and Ibaka when they want to run, score and block shots. We have one of those pieces and could really use another one to take the next step. A big guy that won't get pushed around by the DHoward's of the NBA. Really hard to find those guys. 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/29/2012 2:17 PM

    Nice as he is and all, I think we need to replace Jeffries on the roster with a bigger guy that can rebound and score. I don't have a clue who would fit that bill and haven't followed college ball since my son left for college 3 years ago...sad, I know but as far as Europe, D league, College, does anyone know where this big guy is hiding? For example, I heard Antonio McDyess wants to come out of retirment, would be cheap and the question is would he be better as a mentor to Leonard? I know he's old as dirt but just saying......GMs do not have easy jobs in the NBA. 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/29/2012 2:48 PM

    I agree COMPLETELY With Bdawg about Barton. Also I agree with Riverman, We need another bigman..we have been doing fine starting Hickson but when we play against elite centers (which there is not a lot) We need a guy who can come in and rebound and defend.

    Antonio McDyess would be nice but I think his age is too big of a problem... im thinking about guys like

    Ekpe Udoh, Salmuel Dalembert, Emeka Okafor, Kwame Brown 

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 12/29/2012 3:11 PM

    I said it in other topics Jermaine Oneal could be an option, mcdyess is he same heigh as JJ... if we keep jj we hould get a backup center that provides good defensive(rebounds and blocks)

    There are some options for backup C, in case we keep JJ

    Mahinmi (Pacers), Haywood (Bobcats), Oneal(Suns), Sanders(Bucks) or even Hawes(Sixers) , this last two are the best options i think, although harder to get and more expensive.
  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/29/2012 3:11 PM

    i wouldn't mind larry sanders to fill that role 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/29/2012 3:55 PM

    I agree 

    I was thinking of putting down Haywood and Mahimi but ONEAL and Hawes  are goods one too.

    Sanders would be PERFECT but I doubt we can get him and keep JJ.

    It would take Leonard and 3 second rounders and probably more

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/29/2012 3:58 PM

    To be honest.....I dont think Leonard will become a starting NBA center. I mean he wont be better than a 7 point 6 rebound guy.... this is just what I think. I mean I hope Im wrong and I will be watching him to see, but this is my prediction. I hope managements trades him while his value is high before others realize he is a bust.....Or maybe he wont be.... SORRY guys/girls

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