Is Paul Allen more Concerned about Profits then Winning a Championship?
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/13/2012 8:26 AM

    Posted By Curvychloe on 12/12/2012 4:50 PM
    You'd be surprised how greedy these guys are.Remember when the league institued the dress code and marcus camby wanted extra money to pay for the new clothes he'd half to buy? And its not Basketball but remember when Gary Sheffield wasn't gonna except the trade to the dodgers unless the payed the different tax percentage that was like a 3% tax difference,so your right but some guys,well they are stingy as hell,Back to Gary Payton the guy is one of the worst tippers ever,When I worked for the clippers in 1997 nobody wanted to be there,but It was cause of the ownership not wanting to win,since the clippers got Chris paul and shown other players its a organization that wants to win people sign now,even that one year in 2006 after they made their run to the second round,players signed afterward. So for that franchise its more about a culture of winning and it shows how far we've fallen when the Blazers organization used to be soo much more respected around NBA cultures then the lowly Clippers and nowadays Blazers are more like the clippers then the clippers are

    CurvyChloe – You have nailed it on the head.

    The Blazers are not respected in the league and you are exactly right in that we are like the Clippers use to be before they signed Chris Paul.  That showed the players in the league they are serious about winning.

    That is why we have to be aggressive this off season and sign a Marquis FA to show players in the league that Mr. Allen is more serious about winning then he is about managing the Salary Cap.  Again as I have said multiple times, you cannot build a championship contender with the third lowest payroll in the league.    Others on this board will say, we have all these great rookies and we will be like an OKC in a couple of years.  The only rookie we have on this team that compares to Durant or Westbrook when they came into the league is Lillard.  So unless we get a great Lottery Pick this year, we will be nowhere close to where OKC was after they drafted the pair and two to three years after that they were serious contenders.

    The Blazers know going in that our Bench was going to be week so they could have shored  up the bench will players like:  Jason Terry would have been a nice addition to back up Wes, Jason Thompson would have been a nice add to back up LA, CJ Miles to back-up Batum.  I am not saying that going after Tibbert was a bad idea, but it was putting your eggs in one basket and then when you did not get him, you do a complete reversal.

    Signing players for the bench would have made us competitive and given us more options at the trading deadline.  It would have given us the opportunity to put some rookies into the D League and develop them more.  It definitely would have given is the opportunity to rest our starters more and not play them 40 minutes a game a risk injury.

    I am hoping I am wrong about the direction of the team and Mr. Allen, however if you remember one of his qualifications of the GM position was someone who could manage the salary cap.  That sounds like to me he wants to stay at the CAP level.  Only time will tell.

     


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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/13/2012 11:22 AM

    In fairness to Olshey and Allen, over the summer we tried to sign multiple free agents but the marquis agents were restricted with a couple of exceptions. When Hibbert was resigned, we went after Asik and Gordon. We made a run at Nash. The Hibbert holdout allowed us to sign JJ to a one year deal. Pavlovic is being paid by the Celtics this season and we got something for Felton and Kurt Thomas in the deal. I was impressed with the way the front office rebounded from losing Hibbert and agree with Olshey that it's not a smart move to burn up your cap room to get a mediocre vet that eats into the cap until you see what develops with your rookies. If we had signed Nash or Gordon, we might not know what Lillard could do. I remember when we traded a prime time Jermaine O'neil for an ancient Dale Davis and O'neil went on to be an allstar in Indiana after wasting away on the Blazer bench. The trade deadline is not here yet so there's plenty to be done but now it's about finding value on the bench that we have and planning for the future. Paul Allen has spent money on this team since he's owned it and he's one of the most willing owners in the league to do so. He's not Donald Sterling by a long shot.

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 12/14/2012 11:20 PM

    Is Tower of Power meaning the band? Or just a sick nickname for this team? Or both..
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/15/2012 11:17 AM

    It's the band I refer to because they are such a powerful, tight unit and on  a good night they cook! I like to thinik of the Blazers roster as doing the same thing
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 12/15/2012 8:11 PM

    I like it, good band, good team. Both make us fans dance a little
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/18/2012 11:38 AM

    I remember they did a concert with Earth WInd & Fire and Brick at the Coliseum in the late 70's.  It was insane in there.  I know as I used to work even security back then which was a blast.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/18/2012 5:06 PM

    I"m a huge EW and F fan and have seen them many times. Great show! Great era of music! Youtube has some vintage footage of their 70s concerts that are great! What a band! Wish the Blazers used more of that music at the Rose Garden.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/18/2012 5:16 PM

    Last big band I toured with covered Soul Vaccination and What is Hip... East Bay Grease may be the funkiest album ever recorded
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/19/2012 9:37 PM


    Posted By riverman on 12/18/2012 5:06 PM


    I"m a huge EW and F fan and have seen them many times. Great show! Great era of music! Youtube has some vintage footage of their 70s concerts that are great! What a band! Wish the Blazers used more of that music at the Rose Garden.


    <p>yea would be cool but then again this is a business and more ppl these days are into the updated new stuff (mod edit, profanity...Keep it clean Blaser)you hear on the radio lol </p>
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/19/2012 9:46 PM

    Posted By riverman on 12/18/2012 5:16 PM
    Last big band I toured with covered Soul Vaccination and What is Hip... East Bay Grease may be the funkiest album ever recorded

    oh your a musician? I play the keyboard and make beats for a hobby make some cash off em here and there nothing too serious just do it cause it's fun when I'm board 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/15/2013 7:11 AM

     

    Here is a great article John Canzano from the Oregonian.  Key point is highlighted in Bold in the last sentence of the article.

     

    Since 2004 he has been on an expense cutting mode as it states in the article and this includes making darn sure that he stays at Salary Cap or below.  Mr. Allen stated that he will not go above salary cap unless we are in a position to win a championship.  My question then is how to we get in a position to win a championship if we do not spend the money?

     

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/5/14/4332704/canzano-owner-paul-allen-needs-to-get-back-to-pampering-blazers 

     

     Canzano: Owner Paul Allen Needs To Get Back To Pampering Blazers

     

    John Canzano of The Oregonian writes that Portland Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen needs to consider pampering his players a bit more to help foster an environment that will be more attractive to free agents.

    Allen bought the Blazers in 1988 for $70 million. Players will tell you that what set the organization apart wasn't just talent and good fans, but the perks of being a Trail Blazer. That included travel on Allen's jet, a training table piled with healthy foods after practices and shootarounds, and other amenities. A cousin of Damon Stoudamire used to detail the players cars in the parking lot during practices, and that too was picked up by the organization. Even the mascot -- Blaze -- had a multi-year contract. And while the public giggled at some of this stuff, the players took the extras as a luxurious part of being on Allen's payroll.

    It wasn't unlike what Edward DeBartolo did in treating his San Francisco 49ers players to the best travel and accommodations in the NFL. It may not have landed either owner a free agent by itself, but it kept morale high. Those things help. In Portland, a lot of the budget and perks were cut back beginning in 2004, under president Steve Patterson, who was brought in to bring expenses down and throw the Rose Garden into bankruptcy.

    The Blazers have undertaken a series of layoffs over the last year and Allen has made it clear he will not spend into the luxury tax unless the team is in championship contention.

    -- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

     

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/15/2013 10:18 AM

    Portland needs multiple pieces, but beyond just pieces we need players who can become potential all stars. Sure Lillard looks capable and LA is already there but with zero bench that is not nearly enough. If Batum cannot make that next step when the only clear cut all star SF is Kevin Durant in the Western Conference then he has to go. As much as I love Matthews work ethic and toughness if Portland can get a future all star for him then they have to. Show me some depth, some playoff success and free agents will come, show me first round losses and huge state income taxes and the best we can hope for is Wesley Matthews type free agents or overpaying for Turkoglu types. That will not get it done. 


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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/15/2013 10:57 AM

     

     

    Cmeese47- dead on balls accurate as the saying goes.  But what does success take, money?  If he is willing to re-tool the blazers and spend the money like he is on the Seahawks, then we will be there in a couple of years.  Right now I see all his focus on the Seahawks today like he did with the Blazers in the early 2000's. 

     

    We will see what he is willing to do this summer.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 05/15/2013 11:40 AM

    hes done with blazers. He put alot into 1999-2003 team,and tryed again in 2008-2011 only to have injuries ruin what woulda been a title run
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/15/2013 12:03 PM

    I think it takes a plan. Seattle is not signing Payton Manning or Mario Williams or any of the leagues other marquee free agents. Yet they have an elite defense and made some moves this off-season to add pieces on the offensive side of the ball (Percy Harvin). 


    We need something like that get some elite defenders or elite scorers and build from there. Right now we have 2 elite scorers and zero elite defenders. Maybe signing Al Jefferson would be the best plan he would at least give us another good scorer and then we can build from there. Really not sure though since we do not seem to have a true direction.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/15/2013 12:31 PM

    We need a defensive big, not Al Jefferson, who is a poor man's Lamarcus Aldridge, and somehow, even more underrated than him. He will eat away a decent amount of our money, while giving us essentially the same production as LMA.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/15/2013 1:34 PM

    What is wrong with getting 18-20 and 10 from your PF and C. Add in 50 points from Lillard, Batum and Matthews and even with last years pathetic bench we are averaging 105-107 points per game. It would also make this team a real inside outside threat. While not defensive stalwarts we would match up well against the Spurs, the Thunder and would be one of the few teams who could bang with the Grizzlies. 


    If that team could somehow make it to the NBA finals could you imagine Lebron having to guard LA. Jefferson would beat up Bosh in the paint and LA could score on Lebron or force the heat out of small ball so Lebron could guard Lillard or Batum. 


    That is certainly a lot more than getting someone like Deandre Jordan would ever provide.

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/15/2013 3:17 PM

    I like Al Jefferson, if you play on the low post, I'm gonna like you. But we need defence. I don't think a defensive player, but a good defensive system. If our new guy can put defence into our guys minds, then get Big Al. Then I want Big Al to shoot jumpers and LMA to make D12 look like a kid with his post moves.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/16/2013 2:05 AM

     

     

    Question is Mr. Allen willing to spend the money to build a championship team?  I do not think so. 

     

    Remeber since 2004 he has been cutting costs and this includes making darn sure he never pays a luxury Tax.  Look at his buddy, Steve Ballmer who is will to shell out all this money to get the Sonics and does not even think twice about it. 

     

    Paul Allen bought the team for $70M and it is now worth around $450M and he is cutting costs?  Rememeber the Fiasco last year where they quicty giving out those annoying Thundersticks to save money?  What a joke that was?

     

    I think curvychloe is right.  He is done with the Blazers.

     

     

     

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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 05/16/2013 8:28 PM

    you know blazer maniac i was thinking the same thing when they hired the replacement coach when canales left for dallas. why aren't the blazers spending for a proven commodity especially when it comes to coaches? this guy's only qualifications is a short stint with the cavs and his most impressive accolade is his d-league coaching record. why not shell out some cash for some legends to come in? have hakeem come in and teach LA and Meyers some post moves, Gary Payton teach all the guards as well as lillard. maybe make hires as consultants? but i would make the argument paul allen overpaid for batum but i could also understand why he is somewhat hesitant. (darius miles anyone?)

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/16/2013 11:30 PM

    Hakeem and co. are legends. Look at Stotts, absolutely nothing fancy about him. But he has the intangibles, he knows how to coach rookies, he has the patience, he has a good relationship with them. The players trust and like him and so do the fans. I don't know anything about Tibbetts but I'm assuming it's similar with him coaching D-League (Which let's be honest, we have a lot of D-League Calibre players).

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 05/17/2013 9:36 AM

    A mention of the legendary Hakeem! Very cool,Im old,I've been a fan of the blazers ironically since 1988 which is the year I moved to the states,and I've always loved them,Living in Los angeles they were always a great foil for the beloved lakers which is one of the many reasons i loved them,now they are just a lower budget version of the clippers and Paul allen like I said is tired of dishing out money only to see the team fall flat.I feel like he put ALOT of effort into the pippen-blazers and look what happened.It weird to say this,but theres 1 moment in franchise history that Altered the course of this franchise forever. Game 7 against the Lakers in 2000. Blazers win that game, become champions,and no way they melt down the way they did in years to follow and allen has a title to his credit and blazers are his crown jewel. He tried alittle bit again with the ODEN-ROY team and injuries ruined it so now I feel like he is just"ehhh" about this team. maybe homeboy in seattle should just buy this team. They can play part of their games in seattle,its very close 2 hours,and maybe become something big
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/18/2013 11:45 AM

    Curvychloe - Well Said - This is why I was hoping so much for Balmer/Hansen to get the Sonics. Even though Paul Allen wanted to deal to happen, Paul Allen is looking at it as I could make $500M and sell it to my buddy and then his buddy could go through the headache of trying to move the Blazers to Seattle.

     

    Don't say it could never happen. Did any of us see David Stern allowing the Sonics to move to OKC? That guy will do anything if it makes the league money. Yes the Kings were sold for less than what Balmer was offering. But there was one big difference in that deal. The Kings got a commitment of in excess of $250M in Public Funds to build a new arena in Sacramento. David Stern is no different than the IRS he wants tax payer money to subsidize the league. Furthermore, they do not have land bought for this yet.  Don’t forget OKC got public funding to modernize their Arena to hold and NBA Team.

     Again do not say they Blazers are absolute in Portland, Paul Allen and David Stern would sell their mother to make a profit. When you say Paul Allen is not in it for the Profits, look at the last 10 years and how mediocre we’ve been. It all comes down to one issue - MONEY! Not how much you save, but what you spend.

     

    Finally let’s not forget this new deal in Sacramento also includes the Kings not taking any revenue sharing from the league. This amounts to a $15m increase per owner per year. This is a coup for David Stern to bring an additional $425M back to the owners from this deal.

     

    Guarantee if Portland were trying to be acquired by an outside group and lets hypnotically say the acquiring group as part of the deal indicated they would by the Rose Garden, however unless the city came up with money to make the Rose Garden a joint venture between the City and the new owners, if the City did not approve the JV then the new owners were free to do with the Blazers whatever they wanted. David Stern would let the Blazers move at the sake of not getting Public Funding to finance the deal.  And don’t say it could not happen.  That is what Seattle thought!

     

    Bottom line, as long as Stern and is Crony Silver are running the league no team is off limits if it makes the League More money from Public Funding.

     

    I do not see a commitment in the last 10 years from Paul Allen to improve the Blazers.  In Business, if you are positioning your Company to sell, that is what exactly you do.  You want proof, Larry Miller his whole career was accounting related.  Since he came on with the Blazers in 2007 did you ever see him spend Paul Allen’s money that put us above Salary Cap?  First step cut costs which he did with Larry Miller.  Second step, improve branding of the company.  The current one who is responsible for that task, Chris McGowan who is the current President of the Blazers.

     

     Don’t be two surprised that if in the next couple of years and you hear Paul Allen is selling the Blazers.  Actions speak louder than words.

     

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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 05/18/2013 1:10 PM

    Paul Allen might sell the Blazers but the Blazers will never leave Rip City.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/30/2013 10:17 PM

     

    Again Paul Allen squeezing profits by cutting expenses.

     

    Blazers execute third round of layoffs under President Chris McGowan:

     

    See the Link below for the complete article: (on Blazers edge)

     

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 05/30/2013 10:36 PM

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 05/31/2013 12:50 PM

    Lets go ahead and fire everybody who isnt a coach or wheres a uniform. Start with McGowan.
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