Is Paul Allen more Concerned about Profits then Winning a Championship?
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/09/2012 10:04 AM

    Yea Paul Allen got burned with the Jail Blazers where he spent all that money and the only results he got, were Players having issues with the Law.  This stemmed also too from a Players Coach in Rick Adelman who did not hold high standards and accountability for off-court behavior.

     

    But it is time to move on, but will he?

     

    It appears for that Paul Allen is still not willing to forget the Jail Blazers era?  With the hiring of Neil Olshey, it was a good hire because he worked for probably the cheapest owner in NBA History in Donald Sterling.  Sterling would not even give Olshey a long term contract, so riding in on a white horse is Paul Allen giving him (I believe) a guaranteed three year deal worth $1.2M per season. 

     

    So the burning question of the day is, Is Paul Allen more concerned about profits then winning an NBA Championship?

     

    My opinion is he wants to win, but at the cheapest price possible.  In today’s NBA that will not work.  The Blazers team Cap is $58,044.000 and our Total Team payroll is $53,465,428.  We have the third lowest payroll in the NBA.  It also correlates exactly where we are at in the power rankings.  Coincidence, I do not think so.

     

    So I ask again, is Paul Allen becoming is becoming like the Maloof’s in Sacramento,  Dan Gilbert of Cleveland, or Robert Sarver of Phoenix?

     

    He wants championships, but as long as it comes with a profit.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/09/2012 10:31 AM

    Anyone that know Paul Allen knows a couple of things. He loves basketball and he's an astute business man who has done nothing shy of investing in Rip City. We're lucky to have him here. He's a photo negative of Donald Sterling and has always been willing to spend money. Our payroll is low because we're stacked with rookies and rebuilding right now. Damian doesn't make Chris Paul money..it's the way payroll works in the league.  It's a process. There are 4 steps in building something. Situation, problem, process and solution. We're in step 3..the process but people love to stay in step 2..the problem. That's why so many people quit before the job is finished in this culture of instant gratification.
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/09/2012 3:04 PM

    Rick adleman? Jail Blazers? Rick Adleman ceased to be our coach in 1994 long before any jail blazer references,hell Drexler was still on the team after Adleman got the axe,what are you talking about? Paul Allen wants to make money,this league is not the same as it was 12 or so years ago when a team like Portland Or Phoenix could compete for the title,its almost like MLB now where its a league of large market kings. New york, Los angeles,Miami etc etc. Its a league of super teams where you have to have 2 or 3 superstars on your team to win a title.The Spurs are a dying exception.But you saw how the thunder had to unload James harden,do you really think if that was the lakers they woulda let him go? Nope? Small market teams have to build through the draft and then have a 2 to 3 year window to compete and then rebuild. If you look at blazer history its like a cycle. At the turn of each decade we are poised to challenge. 89-90,90-91,91-92,92-93 and 99-00,00-01,01-02,02-03. Then we Rebuild. Except this time our rebuilding process got ruined by injuries. We built through the draft great and constructed a team of Oden,Aldrdge,Roy,Batum etc,etc and if those players woulda been healthy and anywhere near as good as they were supposed to then we woulda challenged for the title in 09-10,10-11,11-12 and probably even this year.But we lost that,and now we are rebuilding again and hopefully we'll compete again buy 2020,which really sucks. We have a future star in lillard but were gonna need at least  2 more just to compete and a bench. So realisticly don't expect the blazers to challenge for anything anytime soon,like I said I'm a blazer fan and I wear the symbol in honor of the players I grew up with as a little girl as much as anything. But Paul Allen,he'll be around forever and throwing alot of money at players is even dumber now because for whatever reason today's athelete gets injured alot more then players used to  which is a direct result of our over analytical society carrying over to sports where coaches and gm's over analyze everything from workouts to training regimes and diets. I guess i'm off topic now but yes like everyone else on this planet paul allen cares more about Money then anything else
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 12/09/2012 3:58 PM

    Ya'll remember the NBA strike last year? Ya'll remember when Paul Allen dropped the hammer on the players union, and the rising ego's in the room went numb for a month? Paul Allen stated he's lost a BILLION dollars while at the helm of the Blazers. That's a ton of donuts. If the Blazers can find a way to make Paul Allen some moola, more power to them. Just don't lose by 20 to the Kings anymore, and I'm very happy with this team.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/09/2012 4:20 PM

    Oops my mistake, I was  watching ESPN and they were talking about Rick Adelman.  I knew it was Maurice Cheeks and most imprtantly that idiot GM Bob Whitsit.

    I am not saying throw lots of money around at players, however what I am saying is that Most successful Pro-Sports Owners have these franchises not as thier sole sorce of income but more as a hobby for them.  If they are more concerned about making a profit off of them, then they will hardly if ever winn a championship.

    I agree, that their is a huge risk in this business about signing players to larger contracts, however there is a huge risk in any business venture.

    In Business, Return on Investment means to make a profit on your Company.  In Pro-Sports it is about winning championships and when you are consitently winning, then you will get more TV Exposure, Merchandising Revenues will go up and this means more profits.  In Business an owner will put up money to build a succesful company which he/she could lose at any time before their Company makes any money same works in pro-sports, you have to put up money in order to win championships.

    So it is now 2013, 10 years of re-building, and as BDAWG said on another post, we have a stop gap coach in Stotts until McMillan's contract is paid off (of which I agree) and we are still no closer to being in the elite of the NBA.   Seems to me sort of ironic, that the $3m or $4m we are under the salary cap is also equal to McMillan's annual salary.

    If I was a business owner, there is no way I would be willing to keep investing until 2020 as you say to start competing again.

    Is it about profits or business?  Right bow the facts lean toward profits, maybe the summer of 2013 will possibly change that.  I really hope so.

    So if you are saying 2020 is when we will start competing again, that will be 17 years since the end of the jail blazer era and roughly about 14 years of rebuilding since we drafted LA in 2006.  Most Businesses can turn around faster than that and be successful.

    If Paul Allen really wants to turn this around, hire a great basketball man and evaluators of talent like Jerry Sloan or equivalent and give them full control to re-build the franchise to the elite.  Problem is Paul Allen will not do that; he will not give up control.  Bob Whitsitt burned him and unfortuneatly for us fans we are still paying for it.

    2020 will mark 50 yeears since the Blazers will be in the league and 43 years since they won a championship.  Is that too long to wait for a Championship?  For me yes and I hope Blazer fans feel the same.

    My family and I had season tickets from 1970 to 1991 until I moved to Southern CA. I live and breathe the Blazers in Laker Country and I will continue to do so rgegardless of how long it takes to win the championship.  I use this board as a chance to vent my frustrations with other Blazer Fans regarding obvious defencies in the Franchise.  Some will agree with my views and some will disagree and that is OK. 

    Bottom line here is that the beloved Blazers will not win a championship placing profits before anyting.

    So the question is does Paul Allen want Profits or Championships?

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/09/2012 5:45 PM

    When you're a gazillionaire like Paul is, profit is not the only motive, I beg to differ. Losing investiments are tax write offs for the ultra wealthy. We're in transition. The good thing is we got Damian Lillard and he's under a rookie contract. We also have a few marquis pieces that are pretty young and money to use in free agency. I don't see the downside this season. We paid BRoy, GOden, Gerald Wallace, Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas, Raymond Felton and Jamal Crawford a small fortune to fragment into a mess last season along with Nate. So now it's been 5 weeks of basketball and we're 8-12 with a really inexperienced team but we're not strapped with guys in crutches or surgery making huge paychecks or guys who never wanted to be here.  We've struck gold with Lillard and have another dozen games to see who steps up off the bench. If we develop our rookies correctly this season, they'll be ahead of the curve next season having played at this level. A lot of rookies across the league are not playing at all. I see light at the end of the tunnel and my gut says Olshey is on the phones and will make the right changes when they become available. My biggest complaint this season isn't Stotts or Paul Allen, it's our assistant defensive coach. All of our bigs are not playing defense, rebounding well, setting good screens or passing out correctly. Our guards are also defensively weak...we need an Elite defensive assistant coach to compliment Stotts offensive rotations and a legititmate big man coach that cracks a whip.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/09/2012 6:13 PM

    Your opinion and your entitled to it.

     

     

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/09/2012 6:33 PM

    yes we need an elite defensive coach and caleb is not it

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/09/2012 6:43 PM

    Bill Laimbeer would look good on the Blazer bench.
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/09/2012 9:08 PM

    I said we rebuilt once already our Oden,Roy,aldridge team was our result of rebuilding,it woulda competed had not for all the injuries,now we are rebuilding again. We haven't been rebuilding since 2006.We rebuilt ourselves once for a run from 2009-2013 now we are rebuilding again earlier as a direct result of the injuries we have suffered,this team is were it is because of Oden and Roy being the busts they were had they not been hurt and played to their potential we would've competed in 2009-2012 and might still be competiing today
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/09/2012 9:57 PM

    I too live in laker land,so it sucks for me too but I'm not keeping my hopes up on them winning anytime in the next 10 years,like I said its a superstar driven league,we need at least 2 more marketable superstars,even if he construct a good team like 99-00 unless we have marketable players the NBA suits aren't gonna give us the breaks we need to win the title(see western conferance finals 2000). Basically is about marketing in a superstar driven league.Seeing as how most of these brotherss dont wanna ball in small market portland,we probably won't sign any superstar free agents so all we got is the draft,which means we gotta suck hard for like 3 years at least to get draft picks,and hope we can re-sign lillard when his contract is up seeing as how he'll probably be tired of playing for a loser so we'll have to convince him were commited to winning as usual for the case with superstar players,I mean if he gets popular and can get more endorsements and whathaveyou elsewhere

     

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/10/2012 12:15 AM

    not necassarily there is the occasional deep teams like the mavs where when they won it they didn't have an abundance of superstars just a really deep team 

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/10/2012 8:46 AM

    True,but exactly my point,that was one year,Miami really choked and the mavs disbanded the next year cause they couldn't afford to keep the team together
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/10/2012 8:56 AM

    I gotta give Blazer Maniac Props to,for having JJ as his profile pic,he's knows whats up,15 boards and 7-12 against sacramento in our worst loss of the season,guy continues to ball his heart out,and some lady on here was critising him for stealing rebounds,come on its obvious she never played the game of ball
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/10/2012 9:00 AM

    Posted By Curvychloe on 12/10/2012 8:56 AM
    I gotta give Blazer Maniac Props to,for having JJ as his profile pic,he's knows whats up,15 boards and 7-12 against sacramento in our worst loss of the season,guy continues to ball his heart out,and some lady on here was critising him for stealing rebounds,come on its obvious she never played the game of ball

    It was a tough choice between him and Wes.  If I could do both I would.  JJ does nto have a lot of talent, but he makes up for it with his work ethic. He is a true blue collar NBA player.

    Him and Wes work thier butts off every game.WIsh we had 10 more like them on the teeam.  What am I saying I would love to have three more of them on the team.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/10/2012 10:05 AM

    I think Paul is a little to loyal to some of the players. He is willing to pay big money just look at the deals he gave Aldridge and Batum neither, which had earned those deals at the time. He was also willing to give big money for Camby and other players. The man will spend money but he knows like we all do this team is no where near contending for a title so why not keep the payroll low until you got a chance to go balls out and try and win a title. Not to mention he is still paying for Roy so there is that as well. 

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 12/10/2012 12:35 PM


    Posted By Tobyus Sanchezo on 12/09/2012 3:58 PM
    Ya'll remember the NBA strike last year? Ya'll remember when Paul Allen dropped the hammer on the players union, and the rising ego's in the room went numb for a month? Paul Allen stated he's lost a BILLION dollars while at the helm of the Blazers. That's a ton of donuts. If the Blazers can find a way to make Paul Allen some moola, more power to them. Just don't lose by 20 to the Kings anymore, and I'm very happy with this team.


    I very much remember Allen being the elephant in the room during negotiations Tobyus. Great point. To play devil's advocate here, given that most posts are rebutting the thread's premise, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of effort being made to improve the bench, with viable candidates available. CDR has been mentioned, as has Chris Johnson. Additionally, if you speak with a loyal season ticket holder, they will tell you of the significant cut backs made in the Garden this year relative to the experience of taking in a home game. Last Saturday, v the Kings, there were reportedly no shirts fired or tossed into the crowd, and even harder to believe, no "thunder sticks" handed out to distract opponents free throw shooting. I believe both to be firsts during the Paul Allen era.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/10/2012 1:24 PM

    BlazerManiac:  What to you like about the Trail Blazers?
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/10/2012 2:29 PM

    Posted By BDawg on 12/10/2012 12:35 PM

    Posted By Tobyus Sanchezo on 12/09/2012 3:58 PM
    Ya'll remember the NBA strike last year? Ya'll remember when Paul Allen dropped the hammer on the players union, and the rising ego's in the room went numb for a month? Paul Allen stated he's lost a BILLION dollars while at the helm of the Blazers. That's a ton of donuts. If the Blazers can find a way to make Paul Allen some moola, more power to them. Just don't lose by 20 to the Kings anymore, and I'm very happy with this team.


    I very much remember Allen being the elephant in the room during negotiations Tobyus. Great point. To play devil's advocate here, given that most posts are rebutting the thread's premise, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of effort being made to improve the bench, with viable candidates available. CDR has been mentioned, as has Chris Johnson. Additionally, if you speak with a loyal season ticket holder, they will tell you of the significant cut backs made in the Garden this year relative to the experience of taking in a home game. Last Saturday, v the Kings, there were reportedly no shirts fired or tossed into the crowd, and even harder to believe, no "thunder sticks" handed out to distract opponents free throw shooting. I believe both to be firsts during the Paul Allen era.

     

    NOW THAT IS CHEAP!

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/10/2012 2:46 PM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 12/10/2012 1:24 PM
    BlazerManiac:  What to you like about the Trail Blazers?


    I have been a Blazer Fan since 1970 when they first came into the league.  I have stayed a true Blazer Fan every since I moved to Southern California in 1991 and they only time I watch the Lakers is when they play Portland.

    Now to answer your question!  What I love about the Blazers is the loyal fans they have.  What I love about the Blazers is when they get Blue Collar Players like Wes and JJ who play with heart and passion and aggressively drive the paint, and know the concept of playing solid defense which starts the offense.  I am not living in the past, but I would like to see Portland have those teams understood defense and that offense meant more to them then jump shots.

    At times I love Paul Allen as an owner, but at others times like during the Work Stoppage where he claims he lost $100B on the team which is total BS.  If that were the case then why does he own them?  This year and last year have driven me nuts because the team has drifted away from the true Blue Collar work ethic that has been such a great legacy for our Blazers. Players do not play for the love of the game like Wes and JJ.  Players rely on jumpers to score and not use their quickness off the dribble to score points in the lane.  I cringe every time I see one of our Blazers shoot a jumper (and yes that includes Wes and JJ).

    I will always be a loyal Blazer Fan no matter what.  Yes we have had some bad luck since 2006 when LA joined the team.  Blazer fans as well as LA are all pretty tired of re-building and seeing no contender in sight.  LA wants to win championships no doubt.  Can he do it here?  My guess is probably not, I am hoping so, but if we are still continuing to rebuild for the next few years, I do not think LA will see it.

    Do I love the Blazers?  DAMN RIGHT I DO!

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/10/2012 3:13 PM

    Thats a Damn good answer, I live here in LA to and it sucks dealing with laker idiots
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/10/2012 3:41 PM

    Maniac:  Perhaps I should ahve been more specific.  Trail Blazers, as in the players on the team. 

     

    I wasn't questioning whether you are a fan.  Although, I appriciate your impassioned response for why you are.  It's clear you are frustrated.  My point in asking is to better understand your perspective.  Several posts of late have been very negative, and I am just wondering if there's something I am missing as to why I feel like you may not understand the current situation, and the success of this team resting soley on the starting 5.

     

    I guess I would be less inclinded to respond in opposition to your posts if I saw even a little of your frustration being directed at the bench.

  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/10/2012 3:46 PM

    To me the question in this post heading is confusing..winning a championship is the most profitable thing a sports franchise can do. Small markets can have success. Look at the Green Bay Packers. This is how I've always seen Portland and I've been a fan for many many decades. This season is all about the process in transition. I think discerning fans know this.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/10/2012 4:56 PM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 12/10/2012 3:41 PM

    Maniac:  Perhaps I should ahve been more specific.  Trail Blazers, as in the players on the team. 

     

    I wasn't questioning whether you are a fan.  Although, I appriciate your impassioned response for why you are.  It's clear you are frustrated.  My point in asking is to better understand your perspective.  Several posts of late have been very negative, and I am just wondering if there's something I am missing as to why I feel like you may not understand the current situation, and the success of this team resting soley on the starting 5.

     

    I guess I would be less inclinded to respond in opposition to your posts if I saw even a little of your frustration being directed at the bench.

    Maybe my criticalness is coming across as Negativity.  As you can tell, my favorite palyers are (in order of favorite) are Wes, JJ, LA & Damian.  Even though the guys on the bench do not have the talent of the starters, I love thier work ethic because they are doing anything they can do to support the team.  However my favorite without a doubt are Wes and JJ as they may not have the talent of LA, Damian or Batum, but they make up it with shere effort and determination and gutts.

    If you are perceiving someone being critical aas being negative, I cannot help that.  I thought these posts were for sharing opinions and frustrations at time and discuss solutions.  Maybe I was wrong.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/10/2012 4:58 PM

    Posted By Curvychloe on 12/10/2012 3:13 PM
    Thats a Damn good answer, I live here in LA to and it sucks dealing with laker idiots


    Yea they seem to be always right and they never let you forget the infamous fourth quarter collapse.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/10/2012 5:44 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 12/10/2012 4:56 PM

     If you are perceiving someone being critical aas being negative, I cannot help that. I thought these posts were for sharing opinions and frustrations at time and discuss solutions. Maybe I was wrong.

    "Batum is not worth his contract."

    "Batum is very, very weak minded."

    "Batum needs to be traded."

    "Paul Allen cares more about profit than winning."

    Comments like these, in multiple threads, express a fundimental misunderstanding of the problems the Blazers have or realistic solutions to address them.  We are 20 games into the season with no bench to speak of.  Feel free to be "critical."  But it doesn't absolve one of being accountable for supporting their critique or solutions.

    What play could have come to Portland during free agency that Paul Allen wasn't willing to pay for?

    What NBA GM would not pay 10.5 min for Batum (assuming they had cap space) if they needed a starting SF?

    What real assets could Portland get by trading Batum? And how does that improve the team?

    Is saying "Batum is stupid" an honest opinion worth sharing?

    How does Batum stack up with other starting SFs in pay and production?

     

    Everyone has an opinion. 

     

     

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/10/2012 6:23 PM

    All valid questions and points. 

    I am sorry if you cannot handle tough questions and critques of the Blazers then that is your choice.

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 12/10/2012 4:56 PM

    If you are perceiving someone being critical aas being negative, I cannot help that. I thought these posts were for sharing opinions and frustrations at time and discuss solutions. Maybe I was wrong.

    "Batum is not worth his contract." My opinion and I am entiled to it

    "Batum is very, very weak minded."My opinion and I am entitled to it - Batum even said in an article that if he does not hit is first shots in a game he shuts down"

    "Batum needs to be traded." My opinion and I am entitled to it" Just like the people who are calling for LA to be traded.  I would trade Batum before LA.

    "Paul Allen cares more about profit than winning." Evidence supports that fact in my opinion"

    Is saying "Batum is stupid" an honest opinion worth sharing? "I honeslty do not recall saying that and if I did it was scarcastic and if you took it literally than that is one you"

     

    I am a Blazer Fan and I also I am not a Blazer Fan who wheres Rose Quarted Glasses.  I will give me opinion whether certain people like it or not  That is your choice.

     

     

    But again, go back to my post that you responded too.

    So what you are saying is you only want me to speak things that you agree with.  Sorry will not do that.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/10/2012 7:29 PM

    We've identified the disconnect. Words. Weak-minded is synonymous for stupid.  The phrase is rose "colored" glasses.  A quart is a measure of volume.

     

    "Batum needs to be traded." My opinion and I am entitled to it" Just like the people who are calling for LA to be traded. I would trade Batum before LA.

    I would put your opinion in the same bubble as people calling for LA to be traded.  And how is this opinion adding anything to a discussion?   Blow up the team... then what?  When you bring these "opinions" where are the real "solutions" that solicite good discussion? 

     

    I don't have much sympathy or respect for those that call any current Trail Blazer stupid, saying they aren't worth a contract that by any statistical standard shows otherwise, bring no real solutions to the table to provide real answers, and then jump on the, "I am the a die hard blazer fan" and "respect my opinion."  Feel free to keep bad mouthing the Trail Blazer owner and players, and I'll keep posting how weak-minded your opinions on the matter are.

     

    Or, I'll make a deal with you, show some respect for Batum and Paul Allen when you post about them, and I won't respond to your opinion as irrational whining.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/10/2012 8:46 PM

    I am not going to change my thoughts just to pleae you.  Sorry!

    I do not know how you going from weak minded to supid.  What I was saying is that Batum lacks Mental toughness.  I did mot say he lacked intelligence.  Do not take my words and fit them to meet your dialogue.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/10/2012 9:37 PM

    Batum does lack mental toughness
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/10/2012 10:06 PM

    If only Batum had more mental toughness tonight, maybe the Blazers would not be the first team in the NBA to go 0-20 from 3pt in a win, OR a loss.

     

    Appology accepted. 

     

  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/10/2012 10:07 PM

    winning = profits so this thread should really be closed I mean who's gonna go out and buy merchandise/tickets of a bottom feeding team? I mean look @ the heat there sales on merchandise went through the roofs after they won a ring smh thread makes totally no sense 

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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 12/10/2012 10:55 PM

    I feel like even if we were to win a championship, most of the people who will buy our merchandise will be die hard Blazer fans anyways. Certainly some players such as Lillard or LA will get a small boost but no one went out after the Pistons won the ship and got a Hamilton jersey. Then again, maybe they did. Never know.

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/10/2012 11:11 PM

    yea but it deff is a logical way to make a profit lol 

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 12/11/2012 12:43 AM

    check the Spurs.. they literaly have the make up of the Blazers, without the bench talent but they're starting to step up & I'm positive Neil's gonna bring some free agents next year who will add some pop now that he knows the team's identity and what will work.

    Crisis mode shouldn't last longer than a season, not with the talent we have. They'll step up, you gotta be patient. Most people questioned wether LA could be a go to guy about 3/4 years ago. He proved that he could. So give Batum a chance to step up too. As for trade LA I still don't see how getting rid of the best player on the team helps.

    Is the Paul Allen stigma really deserved? Cuz I honestly don't feel like you can factually tell me he doesn't care about this team. He shows up to every game, practices, meetings, etc. He hired one of the leagues top GM's (forget the salary, he's highly reveared in the league as one of the best up and coming GM's). Hired a president out of the gate rather than sitting in limbo and having someone try and do two jobs. And we've yet to see what effect, if any at all, the latest firings have caused. Most of his process as an owner was a learning curve and I think nothing frustrates him more than injury riddled players, players who don't have class, and a team that seems "doomed." Would you rather be the Wizards or the Raptors? And the Kings have been rumored to be moving for quite a while. I'd be pretty pleased with an owner that makes moves to better his team, even if we all think it's wrong it is better than a careless owner. This current team is not a chamionship contender, and him & Olshey probably see very eye to eye in that why spend money if it's not going to bring us close to winning the big one, especially when it truly is a whole new team in a whole new direction. I don't think it will be until 2020 lol, if this team rises with the players we have. Who's to tell me they couldn't compete like the Spurs, the Mavs, or the Bulls.

    He may not be perfect, but that's why he's an owner. Find me one that is and I'll find you a liar lol
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  1. Curvychloe
    Curvychloe
    Posts: 610

    Posted 12/11/2012 7:06 AM

    Perfect owner? Jerry Buss
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posts: 777

    Posted 12/11/2012 7:59 AM

    Absolutely, and why the Lakers are his hobby not a business venture.
    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. Posted 12/11/2012 1:39 PM

    In addition, how many excellent players were available in free agency last summer? Next to none. How many of the ones that were available could we get? Meaning, there are some players who will always choose LA over Portland. Better exposure to the media, better weather. Not a better fan base - not by a long shot. But just because we have money doesn't mean we can buy victories. It just doesn't work that way.

    Clearly, Paul Allen wants a championship team. I think if the right player who actually WANTED to play here became available, he'd go over the cap. But without that - why throw good money away?


    I am a fan of EVERY Blazer because they all fight hard and all have talent. I especially love Aldridge, Lillard, Batum, Matthews, Hickson and Meyers.
  1. Curvychloe
    Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/11/2012 2:05 PM

    Its like were all in Los angeles, we should all get together sometime and mess with some laker fans.lol
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/11/2012 4:28 PM

    I like your sugesstion.  I live in south Orange Country!
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  1. Curvychloe
    Curvychloe
    Posts: 610

    Posted 12/11/2012 5:49 PM

    yeah,i used to hang out at trophies sports bar on mcarthur all the time when I worked at fashion island,and the hooters in irvine
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 12/11/2012 6:17 PM

    Jerry Buss is not perfect, sure he's great. I can name a not-so-perfect moment within the past year: Mike Brown, Mike D'Antoni.

    Is he perfect because he's willing to pay for superstars? Do you think that Paul Allen wouldn't want to sign Kobe Bryant? lol. Do you remember how long the Blazers helf on to Oden for? He paid the money to keep a player because of his potential, because he thought he could help this team if he got healthy. Did you think he drafted Oden, Roy, & Aldridge with the idea that he wasn't going to pay them a lot of money if they turned out to be as good as everyone had expected them to be? Like I just don't see how you can tell me he doesn't care.. I believe if he fires someone, it's because they are not helping us win as a team and they are (in the front office) not helping to bring in revenue. I would assume as a business owner it would be nice to not lose your whole wallet to a team, even one you might love.
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  1. Curvychloe
    Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/11/2012 6:42 PM

    Yeah Knorton I totally agree
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 12/12/2012 5:47 AM

    @Knornton...yes, for once we are in agreement as well.  Don't look now, but the Laker's problems far exceed those of the Blazers.  They just dropped their third in a row last night to Sideshow Bob and the Cleveland Cavaliers.  If only to be a fly on the wall in THAT front office these days...
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/12/2012 6:10 AM

    @knorton  I agree somewhat.  Yes he will draft players and pay players on thier potential. (Case in point with Batum).  However where he falls short is agressively going out and signed big name FA's with proven talent not potential.

    I do not doubt that he is willing to be loyal to young talent, and pay them while they develop and that is a great characteristic, but it does not win championships.  I cannot remember who was the last big name FA we have signed.  Yes he has traded away young talent to get some experinced players, like Wallance & Camby but are they the impact players you are looking for?

    Again this year we have the third lowest payroll in the league and despite how much people justify it that type of spending will not help us win championships.

     

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  1. riverman
    riverman
    Posts: 1431

    Posted 12/12/2012 10:21 AM

    Casey wrote an article yesterday with a transcript of Neil Olshey's interview..give it a read. One thing I liked about Olshey when we signed him was his statement about not racing to the middle and getting blown out of the playoffs early just to spend money. He pretty much covers a lot of territory about our young roster, coach and the direction we're heading. Also talks about Stotts willingness to try unproven young guys in order to find the right combination for rotations going forward. Check out the blog and I think it encompasses most of the areas of contention I read about on the msg boards. 

    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/12/2012 10:22 AM

    thing is that there havent been alot of top notch free agents,I mean last summer he tried to sign Roy Hibbart from indiana,just they matched,and the year before it was millsap,they signed wesley matthews,jamal crawford,andre miller.Its just that alot of players don't wanna come to portland,I don't know why,its a great city,fresh air nice people,I lived on portlands streets for years,but then again i'm a blonde hippie chick and were talking about young brothas and most of them wont come here,less endorsements and what not,and lets be honest thats all these dudes care about,I mean you can sign one of these guys to 100 million dollar contract but thats not enough,he's still gonna wanna make endorsement money,comercials and stuff,thats the greed were talking about,I mean its awhile ago but back in 2003 the blazers offered gary payton a long term deal like 5 years 55 million or so,and he turned it down to sign a 2 year deal worth like 10 million with the lakers,so for us to reel in those big name guys its alot harder to do,thats not his fault,I mean honestly whats the biggest free agent the blazers have EVER signed. Buck Williams? Detlef Schrempf? While the Lakers have signed guys like Shaq,Miami has signed Lebron,New york has stunk forever and still been able to sign guys,so for us its alittle harder
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  1. riverman
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    Posts: 1431

    Posted 12/12/2012 10:46 AM

    We have the longest flights to play on the road of any team in the league. We do have Nike and Addidas here which is a good perk for player endorsements. I'm actually amazed at how many ex players have chosen to make their homes here in the off season. Brian Grant is one, Jerome Kersey, Steve Blake, Channing Frye. Portland is not for everyone but I think the Rose Garden is one of our biggest assets. Nash considered coming here just for the fan base. In fairness to Drexler, Pippen, Kerr, Sheed, Sabonis, Strickland, Walton, Lucas, LaMarcus and many other current and former Blazers, I think there is a certain personality type that wants to be in Portland. The other factors that will draw free agents here are money and playing time. Payton wanted a ring and saw a chance to get one either in LA or Miami. He got one in Miami so that worked out for him but Payton did choose Oregon State to play college ball and still supports the school even today. I live in Oregon and did a year and a half in Los Angeles once...money couldn't make me want to live there. Also many of these marquis free agents already have money, so unlike a lot of us...that's not the biggest need they have

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  1. riverman
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    Posts: 1431

    Posted 12/12/2012 10:48 AM

    Remember when nobody wanted to be a Clipper?

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posts: 610

    Posted 12/12/2012 4:50 PM

    You'd be surprised how greedy these guys are.Remember when the league institued the dress code and marcus camby wanted extra money to pay for the new clothes he'd half to buy? And its not Basketball but remember when Gary Sheffield wasn't gonna except the trade to the dodgers unless the payed the different tax percentage that was like a 3% tax difference,so your right but some guys,well they are stingy as hell,Back to Gary Payton the guy is one of the worst tippers ever,When I worked for the clippers in 1997 nobody wanted to be there,but It was cause of the ownership not wanting to win,since the clippers got Chris paul and shown other players its a organization that wants to win people sign now,even that one year in 2006 after they made their run to the second round,players signed afterward. So for that franchise its more about a culture of winning and it shows how far we've fallen when the Blazers organization used to be soo much more respected around NBA cultures then the lowly Clippers and nowadays Blazers are more like the clippers then the clippers are
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