Free Agency Thread *Blazers Match Batum*
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/06/2012 12:38 AM

    Of course we would reject it Webster is garbage offer us Pekovic or Williams and a first round pick and then we can talk. 
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2012 1:24 AM

    New idea. Since the salary cap is restrictive, we will never have superstars, and apparently we should never ever ever ever hope to win a title this century (according to some on this board), how about we create a sustainable 20-year cycle where we buy children from maternity wards across the nation, teach them basketball, shave their heads when they're teenagers and have them kill wolves with spears in a frozen tundra as their ultimate test of toughness and bravery. Come into the league at 20, leave at 40, and the new group will come in.

    Or we can come to terms with the fact that we will overpay restricted free agents, and we may not get or keep everyone you like or follow on twitter.

    I'm not sure which option is more reasonable at this point....
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  1. newellbrian
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    Posted 07/06/2012 1:56 AM

    Just saw both of these articles. I still love ya B Roy. And, to be honest, I have a feeling that Batum's agent is kinda forcing Batum's hand. However, as much as I love Batum and would obviously prefer him to stay a Blazer, I don't want him to be unhappy.



    http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/07/05/12/Report-Roy-agrees-to-terms-with-Wolves/landing_timberwolves.html?blockID=756998&feedID=5930




    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Nicolas--Batum-Wolves-agree-to-terms-on-offer-070512
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2012 2:55 AM

    Odds are Batum doesn't sign an offer sheet with Minn.  ORLY?  Why?



    Minn has cap room, but it's not infinite.  They have to buy out/release Webster and Miller to clear cap to sign Batum at the reported $45 mil 4 year offer as it is. And, they just offered Brandon Roy a contract he has agreed to accept for 10 mil for 2 years.  Subtract another 5 mil off the cap space.  Even releaseing Webster/Miller and saying they get 100% cap relief from their deals (which they don't), they still can't sign Batum AND B. Roy. 



    Enter Darko... what a terrible contract, and talk about an under achiever.  The only thing that makes sense for Minn to be able to pull off signing B. Roy AND Batum would be to amnesty Darko.  Then they would have the cap to give them both offers on the 11th.  What if Portland matches?  Does it make sense, to amnesty a perfectly servicable player to gain cap space, only to make an offer that Portland will match, leaving Minn without Darko AND Batum?  Still with me?  But maybe they use a mid-level exception on B. Roy.  Negative.  Teams initially under the cap cannot use the mid-level exception, which is where Minn currently sits.



    Batum will likely not even get an official (july 11th) offer from Minn, because they have no garantee Portland won't match, and in fact, have a garantee they will.  The sign-and-trade requests are just another sign, of weakness, that Minn can't pull off signing Batum outright to the reported $45 mil contract on the 11th.



    Long story short, "I bet Batum doesn't even sign an offer sheet from Minn." - J. Quick  I'm buying that.





  1. PDX_Traj001
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    Posted 07/06/2012 6:58 AM

    i sure hope to see the batum/lilliard/aldridge combo next year.. sounds like were gonna have a pretty good fastbreaking squad.. which is nothin new to the blazer offensive scheme..

    id be hard pressed to think batum will leave unless yeah.. minn releases miller and shit..

    all i know is..

    aloot of changes in the future..
    and it seems like alot of what olsen is doin is pretty hush hush OR.. were really standin still in the trades.
    (i.e. no nash no gragic no howard nothin said but any superstar)


    is LA gonna be the main superstar next season? 
    i think so.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/06/2012 9:33 AM

    Philadelphia's Lou Williams says on Twitter, via his own account, that he's not returning to Philly-
    Philly, I appreciate you all. Unfortunately I will not be coming back, as an organization they decided to move in a different direction. 

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/06/2012 9:36 AM

    Looks like Elton Brand is on the market after being reportedly amnestied by the 76ers (via Marc Stein)-
    Mavericks, sources say, are one under-the-cap team to already express interest in claiming Elton Brand through amnesty waiver process 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/06/2012 9:39 AM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 07/06/2012 2:55 AM
    Odds are Batum doesn't sign an offer sheet with Minn.  ORLY?  Why?



    Minn has cap room, but it's not infinite.  They have to buy out/release Webster and Miller to clear cap to sign Batum at the reported $45 mil 4 year offer as it is. And, they just offered Brandon Roy a contract he has agreed to accept for 10 mil for 2 years.  Subtract another 5 mil off the cap space.  Even releaseing Webster/Miller and saying they get 100% cap relief from their deals (which they don't), they still can't sign Batum AND B. Roy. 



    Enter Darko... what a terrible contract, and talk about an under achiever.  The only thing that makes sense for Minn to be able to pull off signing B. Roy AND Batum would be to amnesty Darko.  Then they would have the cap to give them both offers on the 11th.  What if Portland matches?  Does it make sense, to amnesty a perfectly servicable player to gain cap space, only to make an offer that Portland will match, leaving Minn without Darko AND Batum?  Still with me?  But maybe they use a mid-level exception on B. Roy.  Negative.  Teams initially under the cap cannot use the mid-level exception, which is where Minn currently sits.



    Batum will likely not even get an official (july 11th) offer from Minn, because they have no garantee Portland won't match, and in fact, have a garantee they will.  The sign-and-trade requests are just another sign, of weakness, that Minn can't pull off signing Batum outright to the reported $45 mil contract on the 11th.



    Long story short, "I bet Batum doesn't even sign an offer sheet from Minn." - J. Quick  I'm buying that.





    You almost sound like you did your homework. The only problem is your information is incorrect Minnesota has a team option on Miller and Webster so they are free to release them at any time they want, however, right now keeping them is smart because it keeps them over the cap and there for granting them a full MLE. If Batum's contract is not matched they will simply decline the option on both players and he will join the team if his contract is matched then he either returns to Portland or the teams complete a sign and trade. Either way Minnesota can get Batum and Roy without any help from Portland. However, I imagine they would like to get a fifth year of Batum's deal and be able to shed some pieces. It is just important that Portland only takes a quality piece in return such as Derrick Williams or Nikola Pekovic. 
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/06/2012 9:50 AM

    You'll play here and like it.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/06/2012 9:58 AM

    Either Nico really wants to play in Minnesota or his agent is a giant idiot. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/06/2012 10:22 AM

    Via David Aldridge, Javale McGee could be Plan B for Portland-

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/06/2012 10:35 AM

    Dustin your getting boring man I miss you actually commenting on posts rather than just posting twitter messages hope your back soon
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 07/06/2012 10:39 AM

    Felton sign and trade for Toney Douglass would add some backcout help
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 07/06/2012 10:59 AM

    This is what I believe happened at the meeting we had with Batum. They broke it down to him that we ARE going to keep him. He isn't going anywhere. If he wants to go out and sign a huge offer sheet then we will match it end of free agency and the team doesn't get any better. HOWEVER if he would just wait, we can sign some top free agents and then we will give him the contract he wants(10mil not 13) with a fifth year. Everyone wins or everyone loses, its all up to Batum.
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  1. blazerrod
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    Posted 07/06/2012 11:04 AM

    This would be a great pick up for the Blazers.  He could have the same role in PDX that he had in Philly.  This is a real upgrade at PG.
  1. cedricmasonstone
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    Posted 07/06/2012 11:30 AM

    Portland has finalized the buyout agreement with F Shawne Williams, per source. He was owed $3.1 million next season & joins free agent pool
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/06/2012 11:37 AM

    Good to go.
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  1. mdmgrand
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    Posted 07/06/2012 12:09 PM

    I'm actually upset that the Blazers did not take Williams and Webster for Batum...  I hope they talk more about this and maybe get a lottery protected first rounder to go with it.  Williams would come in and be scoring off the bench and occasionally play the three spot.  Webster's $6 million could be waived since it is not guaranteed.  I believe this would open up the Blazers to get a small forward for around the mid level exception (this is assuming Hibbert is a Blazer, eating up nearly all the open space).  With this $5 million you could target Carlos Delfino (36% from 3-point, good catch and shoot) or go for potential with Terrence Williams (he is restricted and the Kings might keep him at that price).

    I say if they squeeze a first rounder or pretty much any draft pick compensation out of Minny with that deal, I'd do it.

    Batum at 11 million per year... no thanks.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2012 1:25 PM

    cmeese47  - You almost sould like a nice person.  The only problem is, with a response like that, you come off sounding like an uninformed, illiterate, condicending jhole.  I'm sure that wasn't your intention.  We know there's always "that guy" who completely misses the point, doesn't understand the topic discussed, and is simply out to prove people wrong on an insigificant point that is most often a figment of their own limited, imagination... not you of course.  If I could though, draw your attention with some shiney bits of facts, and away from your elmer's glue and elbow macaroni, I'd be more than happy to explain to you just how free agency works.  I've never actual made a post catered to a Blue Clue's, audience of one, but I will give it my best. 



    The NBA has a salary cap.  Teams may not exceed this cap to sign new (any player other than their own restricted free agents), or via a Mid-Level-Exception.

    Mid Level Exception - There are 3 "levels" under the new CBA (collective barganing agreement).  The amont of each exception is listed below for theh '12-'13 season:

    - Full MLE $5.0M

    - Mini MLE $3.090M

    - Room MLE $2.575M



    A team CANNOT sign a player to an offersheet which causes them to exceed their cap space. (expect via a MLE)

    A team under the cap, prior to signing a player (not thier own RFA)  does not get a Full MLE or a Mini MLE. 

         *If, B. Roy's offer will be facilitated via a Full MLE, Minn is OVER the cap, and CANNOT sign Batum to an offer sheet.

    This is important, because this is where I believe you got derailed.  Minn cannot sign Batum, having not cleared enought cap, and wait to see if Portland matches, then sign BRoy with a Full MLE having retained everyone that put them over the cap to begin with. If you already knew this, then quite frankly, wtf is your point?  Minn cannot sign both BRoy and Batum if they do not have available cap.  This does not contradict what I previously posted.

    - A team under the cap only qualifies for the Room MLE.

         *BRoy's contract doesn't work with this MLE



    A team MUST be under the salary cap, and not exceed that cap to sign Batum.  When Batum signs an offer, it will count AGAINST that teams cap space, and if it is NOT matched after the 3 day moritorium.  If and when the offer is matched, that new contract will count only against the matched team, and for the entire amount of that contract.

    A team, let's take Minn for instance, must CLEAR CAP SPACE, to make room for the amount of Batum's contract.  If Minn does not have cap space to sign Batum, they can't sign Batum.  As is stands, Minn must clear cap space to both sign B.Roy and Batum.  Whether they fire, amnesty, buy out, release, chop, kick to the curb... they have to do something (i.e. Webster, Miller, Darko).  Minn already cleared some cap space by releasing Beasley and Randolph.  Again, this doesn't contradict anything I posted prior to your amouphous objection to the information I provided.  If this is too complicated, maybe you can focus on why Minn is pushing for a sign-and-trade?  If you guessed it's because clearing cap for BRoy AND Batum is extremely challenging - you're gettin warm.



    Sure my orthography isn't the best quality, but I clearly typed a word spelled very similar to the word "release" in terms of what Minn would need to do to get under the cap to a degree that would allow them to sign Nic and BRoy to offer sheets.  Your response is at best, redundant, and at worst,"that guy."  I know, words are confusing.  Keep working at it, and good things can happen. Go Blazers.

  1. RjP
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    Posted 07/06/2012 1:25 PM

    According to the source, the way to get Batum here is still via a sign-and-trade. David Kahn, the Wolves' president of basketball operations, will continue to talk with the Portland Trail Blazers throughout the weekend.

    One scenario involves a three-way trade with Philadelphia. Andre Iguodala would go to Portland, Derrick Williams would go as part of a package to the Sixers and Batum would come to Minnesota. So far, Portland is balking.

    TRADE PLEASE, TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2012 1:44 PM

    Sometimes there just isn't enough cap space to go around.  Poor Minn coming to grips with reality.  I love this exercise in futility on the part of Minn. It's like someone trying to sell you something you don't really want, but they keep calling their boss and giving you discounts, special today only sales, and basically dropping their drawers to close the deal. It's entertaining to say the least.
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2012 2:08 PM

    Expect a slander charge against Ndaiye pretty soon.

    That guy is off his freaking rocker. The only thing we've heard directly from Nic is in direct contradiction to everything his agent has been saying. So who's lying? I'm guessing the problem is the one stirring up all the controversy; call me crazy.

    He may think he has Nic's "best interest" in mind. But you could see the direct correlation between Nic's play and Ndaiye's noise-making. The more Ndaiye does, the worse Nic plays. Maybe that information should be passed on to Minnesota. Getting Nic Batum is like getting the high-school player with the crazy mom. You will have Ndaiye yapping in your ear all season and affecting the play of your SF. Well... maybe only in contract years.

    I hope we match or do a sign-and-trade if Nic really wants to leave Portland. If we get NOTHING out of him, I might literally cry.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/06/2012 2:58 PM

    The only way I would be ok with losing Batum was that three-way trade someone mentioned that would give us Iggy. Other than that, I'll spend the 11 million on him to honest.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/06/2012 2:58 PM

    That's not to say I want Iggy more than Batum, that's if Batum wants to leave.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2012 3:13 PM

    Posted By D_pickett on 07/06/2012 2:08 PM

    Expect a slander charge against Ndaiye pretty soon.



    That guy is off his freaking rocker. The only thing we've heard directly from Nic is in direct contradiction to everything his agent has been saying. So who's lying? I'm guessing the problem is the one stirring up all the controversy; call me crazy.



    He may think he has Nic's "best interest" in mind. But you could see the direct correlation between Nic's play and Ndaiye's noise-making. The more Ndaiye does, the worse Nic plays. Maybe that information should be passed on to Minnesota. Getting Nic Batum is like getting the high-school player with the crazy mom. You will have Ndaiye yapping in your ear all season and affecting the play of your SF. Well... maybe only in contract years.



    I hope we match or do a sign-and-trade if Nic really wants to leave Portland. If we get NOTHING out of him, I might literally cry.


    The kid is 23 years old.  Kids say stuff and later realize the implications of what they said and think... oops.

    "We know that Derrick Rose is a good offensive player," Batum said, according to the paper. "But you have to play defense, too. He can't guard Dre. You gotta play defense. He can't play defense, so that's why we put Dre inside and try to attack him. He did a great job. Had [27 points] and 11 [assists] tonight."

    By Tuesday afternoon, Batum took to Twitter to refute the criticism: "I'm sorry for the D.Rose fans and bulls fans, but I never said that he can't play defense, NEVER...trust me," he tweeted.

    Rose smiled when asked about Batum's comments before Tuesday's practice in Salt Lake City.

    "Oh man, he threw me under the bus, didn't he?" Rose said. "But no, man. Everybody's got their opinion, but I know I can play defense, man. So it is what it is.

    "It doesn't get me upset at all. That's his opinion. Everybody's got their own opinion."



    Nic's agent is a complete amature.  He probably said it to his agent, or someone from the Twolves.  Kind of like being the only "liberal" at Thanksgiving dinner with all your "conservative" relatives.  "Oh, sure, Bush was a good president."  It's not news.  It's heresay and drama.  Sign the kid and lets move on to summer league.

  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2012 3:47 PM

    I think it's also worth mentioning the whole fact that English is his second language. I interpret between two languages as a profession, so I can tell you right now that misunderstandings can run rampant, especially when there is no translation/interpretation expert in the mix. Confusion almost always surfaces when negations start being thrown around in every sentence. English negates sentences in such a different way than any other language, particularly Romance languages like French. Needless to say, when all these claims come out about what Nic said or didn't say or said he won't, leave a huge margin for error. Even in that Derrick Rose quote, he probably meant something about Andre's ability to post up guards, and maybe it would be to much for Rose to try to defend in the post. He wasn't wrong. Dre had 27 points and 11 assists. Rose didn't defend him well, obviously. His refute might be that he didn't mean Rose couldn't defend at all, but that Rose was not able to defend Dre. So his "I didn't say" was more likely "I didn't [mean]".

    Two more things: I resent the idea that a 23-year-old is a dumb kid being only 24 myself. But even if I agree with you to some level, remember that a 23-year-old man in France with a wife is light years away from a 23-year-old borderline alcoholic fifth-year Bachelor student at Oregon State. Culture makes a pretty big difference.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2012 3:53 PM

    Sorry... I don't usually get that far off topic. So. Woo! Roy Hibbert! Yeah!
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 07/06/2012 5:11 PM

    hahahah @Dpickett
    Hope Batum stays. I just want to focus who is going to be our starting Center come opening night.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/06/2012 5:46 PM

    Here's a small update from Ken Berger about Roy Hibbert-
     Early read on Pacers' appetite for matching Roy Hibbert's offer sheet with Portland stands at 50-50, according to a source.


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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2012 9:11 PM

    D_pickett -

    I definitely did not calling Nic dumb.  3 yrs in Europe and several languages later...  I do agree with both the "lost in translation" and what I experienced of Euro vs USA kids from a maturity stand point in general (doesn't mean there aren't tons of exceptions).  I do not doubt Nic bought into the "grass is greener on the other side" pitch, after feeling that his role was stagnant and perhaps as inconsistant as his play, and expressed wanting to leave Portland for Minn.  In an age of instant reporting, getting the scoop first, and sensationalizing non-news to make it appear to be news, I don't doubt his comments were embellished, if not taken completely out of context from what he meant to say to. (next)



    I don't see how Indiana can match Hibbert, and less so with how or why Minn would clear so much cap room for Batum.  I would be more surprised if Nic actually signs the reported 45 mil offer sheet, than if Indiana matched Hibbert.



    Brand of waivers anyone?  Meh, lets bring over Freeland.

  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/06/2012 9:56 PM

    I'm hoping that Kaman and Brand are enough for the Pacers to believe there are cheaper options. 
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2012 11:44 PM

    Yeah. Like I said earlier in this thread. If Batum wants to leave, I wouldn't be surprised based on his fluctuating role in Portland. I guess I was just trying to say this seems more like a game of hardball between Nic's agent and Neil Olshey (Olshey is winning by the way).

    I really don't see Indiana matching since they've been active in other areas of the market as well. Hibbert and Batum would be our two big purchases, and I think that's been Olshey's plan since day 1. Either they will both be in Blazers uniforms when the season opens, or some pieces will come back in the process.

    5 days left... let's see what crazy tweets and ridiculous claims come out between now and July 11th.
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  1. Chris Langeler
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    Posted 07/07/2012 9:46 AM

    Posted By Andy Blacksmith on 07/06/2012 9:56 PM
    I'm hoping that Kaman and Brand are enough for the Pacers to believe there are cheaper options. 

    I hadn't thought about Brand's amnesty helping us get Hibbert, I like this.  If we could get him cheap, Brand would be an awesome back-up for LMA, but I'd rather that Indy make a stab at him and let us have Hibbert instead.  Good call Andy.

    As for the rumored sign-and-trade that could net us Iggy, I'm not a fan.  For comparable numbers, Iggy is 5 years older than Batum, has a degenerative knee condition (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000452.htm), and can't spread the floor like Nic. If we have Hibbert/LMA next season, we want guys who are threats from deep like Batum and Matthews so we can keep the middle open (see Magic & Dwight Howard). Leadership is nice, I don't think Iggy's defense is significantly better than Nic's but may have an edge in 1-on-1, and I think Batum's ceiling is higher and is yet to come, while Iggy only falls from here.

    If Batum does in fact say he wants out, and we do a sign and trade, I'd rather have Williams + Ridnour from Minnesota than Iggy.  I'll take youth/potential in Williams over declining age and failing knees any day.  BUT my belief is that Nic's agent is being a tool, Nic wants to stay, and we should do what it takes to keep him.  And then Nic should find new representation.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/07/2012 4:22 PM

    I would never complain about getting an all star back from a Batum deal. I think Batum is worth keeping, and I really want to see him realize his potential (and quit whining, naysayers, he's gotten better every year while playing similar minutes). However, with the new downtown threat of Damian Lillard, I think we can give up some perimeter shooting at the 3. Please don't expect Portland to model themselves after Orlando, they have the hands-down best big man in the league and usually can't make it out of the first round. The game is played best inside out, but that doesn't mean the only options should be the center dunking or one of the other 4 guys jacking up a 3.

    Iggy would be a great pickup, but yes it would be a much more short-term acquisition than keeping Nic or getting Derrick Williams. If it's Williams and Webster, you get a backup PF and a starting SF in one deal. Not a bad move necessarily.
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 07/07/2012 4:47 PM

    Sixers have already said it's "nonsense" that Iggy will be leaving. Idk why anyone wouldn't do the derrick williams and a future 1st sign-and-trade, if Batum really does want to leave. And btw Williams has already lost weight this offseason, even so he's definitely a 3 over 4, though kind of like Crash in the aspect that he could play both if needed.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 07/07/2012 6:06 PM

    I hope we are not thinking that Martell Webster will ever start for the blazers again.  We deserve better.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 07/07/2012 8:48 PM

    Agent: Batum's Heart Isn't In Portland via Chris Haynes-
     His mind is not there in Portland. Out of that meeting with the Blazers (on Thursday), we hoped they would allow him to live his dream. The best case scenario is a sign-and-trade and we understand that. Hopefully, Paul Allen would never stand in the way of his dream to play for the Timberwolves,” is what Nicolas Batum's agent, Bouna Ndiaye, told CSNNW.com Saturday evening.
     Generally, the meeting with the Blazers was nice and cordial. We started the meeting talking about his four years there,” Ndiaye said. “Nic expressed to them that after his first year, (Nate) McMillan said he was surprised that Nic had an offensive game. The second year was great. After Andre (Miller) left, it was really tough for him in year three. He wasn't able to get up and down and his role was staying in corner. He wasn't allowed to play his game. Being a Bruce Bowen in-the-corner player frustrated him. He wants to be him. He wants to play his game.
     Batum wanted to relay the message in person of his desires to play for the Minnesota Timberwolves.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/07/2012 9:02 PM

    If all that is true start working on that sign and trade. Iggy wouldn't be a bad addition. Three all stars on one team? Decent.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/07/2012 9:02 PM

    Three if we got Hibbert as well I should add.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/07/2012 9:06 PM

    But in the meantime I want to hear Batum actually say it. Literally everything has been "Batums agent said Batum said this or that" and it's getting ridiculous. Man up Nico and come right out and say it. The fans here deserve for you to tell us the truth. 
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 07/07/2012 9:39 PM

    I'm pretty sick of hearing this over and over again... I think they just get a sign and trade and get it done. If he doesn't want to be here, get something good out of it with Derrick Williams as the key piece for Minny in a 3 team deal... 5 ideas I would go for Sixers- Iguodala (still an allstar and could be had) Memphis- Gay (has been involved in several rumors and could also be had) Indiana- George or Granger (harder to get a deal here but I love both) Sacramento- Tyreke Evans (Also been rumored to be on the block, not a true small forward but can play 1-3. Also played a lot of 3 for sac) Minnesota- only would consider just a Minnesota deal if it was Williams and Budinger
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 07/07/2012 9:41 PM

    Sorry for the lack of spacing on my phone
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/08/2012 12:17 AM

    Yep... calling B.S. on Ndaiye again. "His dream to play in Minnesota"? I can really imagine a young boy growing up in France to be dreaming about the f---ing Minnesota Timberwolves.

    This agent has to be the least professional agent out there. He's calling out the owners, coaching staff, making up lies about players "dreams" and how everyone is standing in Nic's way. It's actually making me furious. Screw that guy... and if Nic doesn't get new representation after this, screw him. The last thing we need is this crap.
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 07/08/2012 3:50 AM

    In the aftermath of recent comments made by agent Bouna Ndiaye on behalf of his client, Portland Trail Blazers forward Nicolas Batum, multiple racist and misogynstic Twitter messages were directed to Batum and his long-time girlfriend on Twitter. Batum's Twitter account is @Nicolas88Batum; His girlfriend's is @MissBatum. "US Minnesota fans Don't want Your OVERPAID [racial epithet] [rear end] on our team," read the message from one user. "Plus your French. Your kind don't belong here."

    What the hell is wrong with people. I hope Batum realizes that those people are not true fans, and that the majority do want him playing here.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posts: 352

    Posted 07/08/2012 5:46 AM

    @andy i think that was a wolves fan. if anything it just shows there's stupid people everywhere
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posts: 87

    Posted 07/08/2012 6:34 AM

    I meant those aren't real fans in general, and that most of us do want him playing here. They were two separate points but my wording was a little confusing.
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  1. Chris Langeler
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    Posts: 24

    Posted 07/08/2012 7:58 AM

    There's a fork in the road here: Batum either DOES want to stay in PDX, or he DOESN'T.

    If he DOES, the answer is simple--convince him to not sign the Minnesota offer sheet, then sign him to a 5-year extension once the Hibbert deal (hopefully) goes through.  Case closed.

    If he DOESN'T, the sign-and-trade mayhem begins.  Olshey said he wants guys who "want to be here," which is good philosophy for building a team.  So, I say we *shouldn't* try to keep Batum if he, in fact, does want out.

    Sign-and-trade scenarios that would be fun:
    1) Derrick Williams AND EITHER Luke Ridnour OR Chase Budinger.  We either get a starting AND back-up SF, or we get a starting SF and our vet PG.  I think one of these is most likely and most beneficial.
    2) Iggy.  I'm not crazy about this because it's a short-term boost, and his production is declining, but could be a solid play if we wanna try and make a big playoff run in the next 2 years.  BUT, I think our "retooling" is going to take 3 to start really meeting its potential, so I'd prefer younger players who are on the rise.
    3) Paul George.  VERY young (22), made giant leaps in terms of stats from rookie year to last year, has a solid 3-pt stroke and puts in hustle numbers.  I wouldn't lose sleep if we got Indy involved in a 3-way and ended up with George for Batum.
    4) Rudy Gay--probably impossible to get, and probably puts us way above salary cap.  BUT if we were starting Lillard, Matthews, Gay, LMA, Hibbert?  Yeah, game over.

    Have I missed any other (realistic) possibilities?
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  1. Blazer247
    Blazer247
    Posts: 591

    Posted 07/08/2012 9:12 AM

    A message to Batum:

    FIRE YOUR AGENT NOW. He is no good for you. YOU are a basketballer, who lives for the sport, and one of the lucky ones that gets to make millions of dollars doing it. You are NOT simply an entertainer for hire, tryin to maximize your cash, but that is what your agent Ndaiye makes you sound like. YOU KNOW that Portland loves you, likely more than Minnesota ever will. All of the criticisms of the Blazer franchise listed above (putting you in the corner, McMillan not knowing you had offense, etc) are largely due to a coach that we no longer employ. Your role at the end of the season was not "stand in the corner", we wanted you to do anything but. You know this, and this is why I believe that the words that Ndaiye claims are yours are really his.

    FIRE NDAIYE NOW. HE IS SCUM who believes his job is to pull in as much money as possible, when really it is to SUPPORT AND REPRESENT YOU, NOT HIS PROFIT MARGIN.

    Until Nico addresses the media himself, without his agent speaking for him, all it represents is smokescreen and angling for a bigger paycheck. SCREW YOU, NDAIYE. GIVE US BACK OUR BATUM.
    I am a fan of BLAZER BASKETBALL. Not drafts, not business, not trades, not David Stern. Just BLAZER BASKETBALL.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posts: 2735

    Posted 07/08/2012 10:40 AM

    If this is all true then I say we resign Nicolas and then trade him to whatever team he least wants to be on maybe we can MKG for Batum
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posts: 726

    Posted 07/08/2012 2:22 PM

    Did I not say Ndaiye is being completely unprofessional? He's actually sabotaging his own client. He's trying to put all the eggs in Minnesota and burn every bridge with Portland, which is the dumbest thing you could do with a restricted free agent.

    At least Dwight Howard is sabotaging his OWN career. I can't believe all of this is coming from an agent. I agree with 247. Fire that scum and get yourself some better representation, Nic.

    Someone should start a "we still want Nicolas" campaign on Twitter to contrast the stupid racist Minny fans. I would do it myself, but I don't have a Twitter account.
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