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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/06/2012 4:54 PM

    Let's get it started!

    It looks like the Cavs have a crush on Harrison Barnes according to SI's Sam Amick-
     The Cavaliers are very high on the 20-year-old small forward and appear unlikely to let him slip past them at the No. 4 slot in the June 28 draft, according to sources. While this week's predraft combine in Chicago and subsequent team workouts could always change things, rival executives are planning for Barnes to be off the board by the time the fifth pick (Sacramento) rolls around.
     "He's a pretty big deal to them," one such executive said.
    Read More>>>

    This is about as good as it would get for the Trail Blazers. Assuming Davis goes #1 and Barnes #4, that leaves one of Kidd-GilChrist, Beal, Drummond, or Robinson available for the Trail Blazers to take at #6.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/06/2012 7:16 PM

    Draft day is like a big game of poker. You say one thing, then turn around and do something completely different.
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 06/06/2012 9:05 PM

    Blazers eyeballing Kris Joseph (SF Syracuse) in the second round.First definitive rumor I have heard for the Blazers draft
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  1. DoubleDz
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    Posted 06/07/2012 1:25 AM

    Posted By Tobyus Sanchezo on 06/06/2012 7:16 PM
    Draft day is like a big game of poker. You say one thing, then turn around and do something completely different.

    It's a smoke screen, I'm not buying it.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/07/2012 1:45 AM

    personally im a bit wary of drafting a center so high unless its a sure thing. i've heard so many different things about drummond from him having the highest upside to being a potential bust to being downright lazy. then again im only 23 so the only semi-dominant center i've seen on the blazers was sabonis
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/07/2012 9:12 AM

    if beal drops to 6 it will be a gift from god.  we will have our Dwayne Wade.  seriously. this guy is the real deal.  i'm pretty sure Washington will take beal though.  the guy is an awesome defender, high IQ, very strong upper body strength, and we all know that shooting stroke he's got.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 11:43 AM

    Beal is no D Wade, he is not that kind of athlete, he is not that aggressive with the ball. Our best case scenario is Beal turns into the next Ray Allen. 
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/07/2012 12:57 PM

    are we talking about the same beal?
    he and allen both shoot well and that is about where the similarities end.  he is not the same type of athlete as allen. beal has very good upper body strength, is explosive at the rim, rebounds exceptionally for a guard, plays hard defense, is a very smart player, is 18 years old and will definitely improve because i've heard he has an incredible work ethic. 
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/07/2012 2:44 PM

    If we trade #6 and #11 for the number two pick who should we take at #2 assuming Davis is #1?  I think Charlotte needs two players and might be willing to make such a trade.  Is this in our best interest?  With MKG, Beal, and Barnes available what do you think?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 2:50 PM

    If we can get beal and then lillard at 11 keeping the picks is in our best interest if not snagging someone like MKG would be genius.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/07/2012 3:07 PM

    i'm salivating at the thought of having a beal/lillard backcourt. 
    i would not trade the two picks to trade up unless to #1 which won't happen.  i don't really see much of a drop between 2 and 6.  i'm thinking barnes or drummond will be available at 6. beal would be a long shot but it's possible he's around at 6. 
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/07/2012 3:22 PM

    how about trading 6 and E-will for 3 so we are guaranteed beal, then get lillard at 11.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/07/2012 3:26 PM

    From ESPN's Marc Stein-
     Draft buzz: Hearing that teams calling Hornets being told that it'll take more to get No. 10 pick than taking on Ariza or Okafor contract
    This is pretty important as the Hornets hold the #10 pick, just one slot ahead of us at #11.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 3:36 PM

    I think New Orleans would be foolish to get rid of Ariza or Okafor right now anyways. Assuming they are keeping the number 1 pick both of those players would fit well with Davis. 

    Adding Davis and retaining both Okafor and Ariza despite their cost while resigning Gordon the Hornets would have a good defensive team and if they could find any bench help could fight for the #8 spot in the west.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/07/2012 4:51 PM

    From Chad Ford-


    I'm VERY suspect of Dion Waiters. Name me one Syracuse player who has lived up to the hype! And yes, I'm counting Melo. I thought he'd be much better, but in reality, he's just another Glenn Big Dog Robinson. If we're talking shooting guards, I think I'd rather have Beal, Lamb, Rivers, and Ross (in that order) over Waiters. But I will be open-minded and do more research on the kid.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/07/2012 4:59 PM

    Here's what Swish Scout had to say about him-
     Dynamic scoring guard who uses his quickness to attack the basket, set up a jumper off the dribble, or create for teammates. However, Waiters is a “combo guard” who is undersized for his position, but is an intriguing player worthy of a first round pick in 2012 because of his scoring punch.

    Best Case Scenario: Randy Foye
    Worst Case Scenario: Poor Man's Ben Gordon
    Read More From Swish Scout>>>

    Highlights
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 5:19 PM

    Waiters gets to the rim and that is a great skill to have, pairing him with Lillard would give us a very aggressive backcourt.
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 06/07/2012 7:38 PM

    I was watching the draft combine today and I heard Waiters has attitude problems and was benched and forced into the 6th man role. Not a fan of players with bad attitudes and behavior. I still go with Drummond and Lillard

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/08/2012 9:40 AM

    More from Chad Ford on Dion Waiters-


    I wouldn't put too much stock into this though. What's Colangelo going to say? "Yeah, we promised Waiters if he's there at No. 8, we're taking him." No, that's not how it works. From here until June 28th, this is all one giant game of poker. Enjoy the ride.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/08/2012 9:41 AM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 06/07/2012 3:26 PM
    From ESPN's Marc Stein-
     Draft buzz: Hearing that teams calling Hornets being told that it'll take more to get No. 10 pick than taking on Ariza or Okafor contract
    This is pretty important as the Hornets hold the #10 pick, just one slot ahead of us at #11.

    Would you guys give up Wesley, Shawne Williams, #40, #41 and Cash for either Okafor or Ariza PLUS the #10?
    We would then have Nos. 6, 10, and 11.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 06/08/2012 10:25 AM

    no
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/08/2012 11:17 AM

    I do not think so Dustin as much as I would like to get rid of Shawne Williams 3.2 million and Wesley's 6.75 million adding in 7.25 for Ariza or 13.5 for Okafor is not a good idea. Okafor has not averaged 10 rebounds per game since leaving Charlotte in 2009. Ariza shooting percentage has been around 40% for the last 3 seasons and his defensive intensity has really declined. 

    If we are going to deal Wesley then I would like it to be for Taj Gibson and whatever contract they want to match with, Brewer, Watson, Korver or Hamilton.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/09/2012 1:27 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 06/08/2012 11:17 AM
    I do not think so Dustin as much as I would like to get rid of Shawne Williams 3.2 million and Wesley's 6.75 million adding in 7.25 for Ariza or 13.5 for Okafor is not a good idea. Okafor has not averaged 10 rebounds per game since leaving Charlotte in 2009. Ariza shooting percentage has been around 40% for the last 3 seasons and his defensive intensity has really declined. 

    If we are going to deal Wesley then I would like it to be for Taj Gibson and whatever contract they want to match with, Brewer, Watson, Korver or Hamilton.
    I personally think that 10 and Okafor is better then we're going to get in free agency. Roy Hibbert and Eric Gordon will be matched by their respective teams. Olshey made it very clear that Nash isn't an option. And I just don't see Deron Williams coming here.I like Dragic and all, but I'm good with Lillard at 10 as I think he'll eventually be better and Okafor would be nice alongside LA.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/09/2012 1:36 AM

    Draft Combine Notes from Hoopsworld-
     The Charlotte Bobcats are shopping the second overall pick in the 2012 NBA Draft, according to multiple sources. They have yet to contact Thomas Robinson, who many had penciled in as the number two pick after Anthony Davis. On Thursday afternoon, the Bobcats met with a number of players who are projected in the middle of the first round, such as Tyler Zeller, which indicates that they could be looking to move down. The Bobcats don’t seem to be in love with anyone at this point, which means a different team could be selecting second on draft night.
    Andre Drummond has met with the New Orleans Hornets, Charlotte Bobcats, Portland Trail Blazers and Philadelphia 76ers. He said each of the meetings went well and he’s enjoying the process. Drummond handled himself well during media availability. The knock on Drummond entering this process was his inconsistency and unimpressive motor. When asked about those concerns, Drummond said that he’s always smiling which makes it seem like he’s not serious or intense, but insisted that’s not the case. 
     Damian Lillard decided to participate in Thursday’s workout, even though he is projected as a top ten pick. Lillard felt like he had to prove that he’s not shying away from tough competition, especially after playing against lesser talent at Weber State. “I’m not running from anyone,” Lillard said. The Portland Trail Blazers have expressed a lot of interest in Lillard and he may be the sixth overall pick.



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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/09/2012 8:26 AM

    Charlotte would shock me if they took Robinson considering how much money that have invested in their bigs already. 
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  1. wscott12
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    Posted 06/09/2012 12:12 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 06/09/2012 1:27 AM
    I personally think that 10 and Okafor is better then we're going to get in free agency. Roy Hibbert and Eric Gordon will be matched by their respective teams. Olshey made it very clear that Nash isn't an option. And I just don't see Deron Williams coming here.I like Dragic and all, but I'm good with Lillard at 10 as I think he'll eventually be better and Okafor would be nice alongside LA.

    "Olshey made it very clear that Nash isn't an option." I hope this is not true. I don't see how you can pass on a chance at Nash, even if it means having him only 2-3 years before retirement. We have a chance to draft a young PG this draft for our future. But I hope we don't think a rookie PG is going to come in and lead us to the playoffs right away. LA needs help with leadership, and Nash has the experience of taking an NBA team deep in the playoffs. The other major benefit is Nash could mentor a young Marshall, Lillard or Machado into a similar player that he is. Olshey was saying "Reload", not "Rebuild." IMO, 2-3 years of Nash at the helm with a young backup is the right way to go into next season. If we can't get Steve away from Phoenix than go for Dragic and draft Lillard.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/09/2012 1:05 PM

    i think going for dragic is the main plan. why else not snatch up nash in free agancy? because they're not looking to draft a pg, or if they do, they dont want too much pressure on him. lillard can straight up score and if he could learn from nash he could be downright scary. but to pass on steve nash i'd really hope they have something bigger in mind than dragic
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/09/2012 2:31 PM

    I would trade #40 plus #41 plus Mathews, plus S. Williams for the #10 plus Okafur then with the #6, #10, #11 to draft Lilliard, Meyers, and Henson or Jones.  By doing this we would cover our Center position, SF, and pg provided we could acquire Dragic in the free agency market.  What do you think?
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/09/2012 2:41 PM

    Our lineup would look something like this:

    pg  Dragic, Lilliard

    sg  E. Williams, Batum

    pf  Aldridge, JJ

    sf  Batum, Henson

    c   Okafor, Meyers, Pryz

    There would be some reserves following these 10 that could include Smith.

    Do we have enough space under the Cap to accomplish this?

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/09/2012 4:29 PM

    I think if you have 6, 10, and 11 you take Lillard at 10 and move up to 2 to take T-Rob or MKG.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/09/2012 5:24 PM

    Blazers and Cavs talking about a trade? 
    From Alex Kennedy of Hoopsworld-
     Cleveland and Portland have talked about swapping draft picks, according to source. Cavs would get #6 and #11, Blazers would get #4 and #24.
    This one doesn't pass the smell test to me. Why drop 13 spots just to move up 2? I know we'd be guaranteed to pick MKG/Beal/Robinson at No. 4, but then our shot at Lillard would be gone unless we found a way to get back into the lottery.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/09/2012 6:09 PM

    First Dion Waiters, now Austin Rivers has a promise from a lottery team.
    Here's the report from ProBasketballTalk:
    From Yahoo!'s MArc Spears:
    (One) East scout expects Rivers to be selected in the Nos. 10-20 range, but an NBA source told Yahoo! Sports that Rivers has a promise late in the draft lottery. The Portland Trail Blazers, Toronto Raptors, Houston Rockets, Cleveland Cavaliers, Phoenix Suns, Washington Wizards and New Orleans Hornets plan to work out Rivers. 
    PBT:
    Now, there is a report that the Raptors at No. 8 were impressed with Rivers, although that seems high for him. Besides there is buzz about this idea with Toronto’s No. 8 pick — they have looked to trade it and reportedly Phoenix, at No. 13, really loves Dion Waiters, who shut down workouts because of a promise to be taken. The Raptors GM denied making that promise 
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 06/09/2012 8:39 PM

    think the point of mathews s williams and pick 40  for pick 10 and ariza makes sense, we could then trade pick 11 and 6 to cha for pick 2 and a 2nd rd pick, pick thomas robinson at pick 2, and lillard at pick 10

    lillard, batum, ariza, thomas, and Aldridge rebuild in the way of youth
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/09/2012 8:43 PM

    I choose to hope our Blazer organization would not do the Cleveland deal.  I agree this does not pass the laugh test.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/09/2012 8:45 PM

    A lot of what we are hearing seems to be teams putting out fodder for other teams to consider when there is nothing there at all. 
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/09/2012 9:11 PM

    It's all a big bluffing game. I just hope that, while the other 29 teams are bluffing about who they will pick, Portland goes to work and makes sure to get the best outcome out of this draft. It actually looks like Olshey has a better concept on how to approach the draft than former GMs, but we will still have to wait and see.
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  1. PDXferDAYS
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    Posted 06/10/2012 1:41 AM

    Best Ever Case Scenario EVER:
    I say trade 6, 11 AND LaMarcus for Dwight Howard, (IF Orlando promised to make a contract that we could trade for) and use our Cap-Space to call up D-Will and lour him in to PDX...

    Pg: D-will
    Sf: Batum
    Pf: JJ
    Sg: Wesley (eh...)
    C: Dwight Howard

    BAM <3 They say I'm a dreamer...
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:38 AM

    @pdxfer I actually think that might be the best offer Orlando could get for Howard. However, Portland would need a minimum 3 year guarantee from Howard to even consider that deal. Orlando would also need to take on S. Williams contract. 

    Portland would be better going after Ilyasova if they did get Howard considering his range, Hickson and Howard would but heads too much in the low post. Also not sure how your scenario would work on the cap. 

    Howard would make 19.5 million, Williams 17.8, Hickson 5.5, Batum 9 and Mathews 6.5 that is 58.3 for the starters this season and would be around 65 million in just a couple of seasons. The only way this team pays the luxury tax is if they win a title or at least get to the NBA finals. 

    It is not a bad idea just not sure it is viable.
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  1. PDXferDAYS
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    Posted 06/10/2012 3:51 PM

    Yeah, I understand it isn't the most predicted offer out there, but I feel that Howard should be looked at just a little bit... I mean, Olshey has a past of looking for the biggest and best players first before he goes down the chain and picks other players. When he was with the Clippers, he went after James before he went to Chris Paul, so I would feel somewhat disappointed if he didn't shoot for the stars with our draft picks and our cap space. Sure, Lillard and Drummond sound pretty good (and that's who I am predicting to get at 6 and 11) but it would be nice to pick up a for sure type of guy, such as Howard or D-will (or in my dreams, both of them together). As long as the Blazers Organization and Olshey have a plan, I'm confident in the decisions they will make. But I must say, picking up a Center at 6 is freaking me out just a little bit... (This is where the Howard came to my mind in the first place)
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/10/2012 4:26 PM

    I think your idea makes sense unlike a lot of comments on here hell probably even half of my own. I must say that if you are going to shoot for the stars then it might as well be a multiple time defensive player of the year, who can also give you 20 and 10 every night and then pair him with a dynamic point guard who could also provide his own version of 20 and 10.
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  1. Choong Huh
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    Posted 06/10/2012 5:18 PM

    I'm sure you guys have all read this article. Pretty nice insight.
    http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?Who-Blazers-likedont-like-in-this-2012-d=1&blockID=722112&feedID=5212

    I absolutely hated Jeremy Lamb after listening to his interviews... It's just me, I really don't like players who are awkward in interviews. This article only helps. 

    Also, don't quote me on this but I know a friend who has talked to Terrence Jones' aunt who is very very close to him (sending her final 4 tickets in New Orleans even). My friend owns a store in Portland and she is a regular customer. She told my friend that Jones repeatedly said that he "can't wait to get out of Portland". I was really high on him until I heard that...
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/10/2012 6:09 PM

    http://youtu.be/sw26nzKoY64
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/10/2012 8:09 PM

    @choong I understand how you feel but this is not an audition for Sportscenter. I just want whoever we get to dominate on the floor if they can talk even better.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:04 PM

    I'm not sure Haynes' article painted the right picture. Yes, we want to draft players that like Portland or want to be in Portland, but I honestly don't care if they know anything about the Blazers. Maybe they were just focusing on being college students and (oh yeah!) NCAA athletes. Playing with LaMarcus is the best appeal we have; at least they know he's on our team. And, frankly, there may be very few returning Blazers come next season, so I'm not disappointed to hear that they want to play with the one guy we're 99% sure will be back.

    Also, I don't know who a lot of coaches in the NBA are myself, because I really don't focus on anyone but Portland. I can't say it's fair to expect college players to know that Nate McMillan is no longer coaching here.

    I'm ranting and a little off-topic, but a lot of people need to get out of the mentality that we only want to draft Portland fans... because if everyone were to be honest, we would be limited to drafting some of the U of O players. We need talented, hard-working, winning athletes. Everything else is secondary.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 06/11/2012 9:47 AM

    Rumor: Blazers Sending #6 and #11 To Cavs To Draft Brad Beal

    http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2012/06/rumor-blazers-sending-6-and-11-to-cavs-to-draft-brad-beal/

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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/11/2012 12:44 PM

    If we keep Mathews why would we want to draft another shooting guard at #4 who comes off the bench.  I would hope we draft someone who starts for us.  Maybe this is just more fodder that means nothing.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/11/2012 12:48 PM

    The reason we are targeting a shooting guard is E. Williams he has shown flashes but injuries have made him a major uncertainty. 

    That aside from all the reports coming out of Chicago is Lillard looks like the next D.  Rose. That means he won't make it to 11 so Portland must select him at #6 
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 06/11/2012 2:33 PM

    You will be pinching yourself if we land Lillard... he will be instant hit... he is no Telfair

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1183842-damian-lillard-highlights-analysis-and-pro-projections
    watch this reel

    Better version of Steph Curry... would you trade the six pick for Steph Curry?

    I would be stoked to get Lillard at 6... all day everyday
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  1. Efitz
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    Posted 06/11/2012 4:34 PM

    The Howard deal actually sounds legit. I'd do it( even though I'd miss LA)





    Dwill and Howard with almost any players around them would give us a better chance for the playoffs then would anyone else we have at the moment. I'm thinking the blazers would have to deal hickson(if we retained him).

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/11/2012 5:11 PM

    @efitz If you trade LA for Howard and do not keep Hickson who plays PF?
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