Do The Blazers Have To Choose Between Crash & Batum?
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 01/12/2012 11:55 AM


    Via Kerry Eggers of the Portland Tribune-

    Can Portland Afford Both?
     “That’s something you try to do,” coach Nate McMillan says. “We like both. Sometimes things don’t work out because of a situation. The organization has to make a decision, and the player has to make a decision. But there’s no question we want to try and keep both guys.”
    Wallace on Portland:
     “Right now, I’m just trying to win, to get focused and do the best I can to help the team win,” Wallace said Tuesday night after Portland’s 105-97 win over the Los Angeles Clippers at the Rose Garden. “I’ll worry about all that once the season is over.”

    “I feel I can be comfortable and finish my career here,” he said.

    “Of course,” he said. “You always want to play in front of a crowd like Portland’s. We have one of the more amazingest crowds in the NBA. It’s a fun atmosphere to play in.”
    Batum on Portland:
     “They drafted me,” he says. “I like Nate and my teammates. We are one of the best teams in the West. Portland is great. I love it because it’s so quiet, so nice. The fans have been unbelievable since I first got here, being the French guy. They welcomed me with open arms.

    “I’d like to stay here.”

    Eggers adds:
     But Batum’s growth is stunted by his role here. If Wallace is kept beyond this season, it would seem Batum will have to move to another team to reach his full potential. Both are natural small forwards. Wallace is certainly not going to come off the bench, and Batum shouldn’t, either.

    Like Wallace, Batum is a grade-A defender. But Batum doesn’t yet have Wallace’s competitive fire. Maybe some of that has been stifled by his role under McMillan.

    And finally, Eggers makes his call:
     It’s a tough call, but if I had to choose one, I’d go with Batum – younger, less expensive, still developing, a little longer body and a much better shooter from long range.
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    So do you think Portland must choose between one or the other? If so, who would you choose?


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  1. Bull Frog
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    Posted 01/12/2012 3:53 PM

    I love both guys. Would not want to lose either so as a fan, I can stand behind Coach Nate's comments here. Love em' both. They both should be starters. They both do different things at the 3. Don't want this drama to hurt the team chemistry. Unfortunately, Basketball is a business for us fans, as much as we would like to think otherwise. Teams have to loathe us for having that much talent coming from the 3 position.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 01/12/2012 5:54 PM

    Crash plays like Crash, and Batum plays like Batum. They both play the same position. They're both great people and awesome Blazers. How you expect us to choose between these 2 guys?

    I like this Blazer team just like it is. It'd be very unfortunate to see either of these players go somewhere else.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 01/12/2012 6:48 PM

    to me this is kind of a no brainier it has to be batum just from an age standpoint batum is 23 and gerald is almost 30 and the way gerald plays he has about 2-3 of playing at the lvl he plays at and batum is still getting better
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  1. sealer legion
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    Posted 01/12/2012 9:21 PM

    I want to see both of them being on the same team. Both of them should stay in Portland. However, if we have to choose one, I prefer to choose Nicolas Batum because he is young, have good attitude, willing to learn more , still developing and he still have greater potential of being a successful NBA player..
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 01/12/2012 10:14 PM

    To me if you want to win now then it's Wallace if you want to wait a couple years then it's Batum But, I hope we are able to keep both.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 01/12/2012 11:29 PM

    i dont think batum is that far behind wallace on ether side of the court in fact i think batum is a little bit quicker then wallace but wallace is definitely stronger
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  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 01/13/2012 3:29 PM

    i think it kind of depends on what you're expecting of batum.

    very few players can change the way they play.
    what do i mean by that?

    i mean that batum is passive. he doesnt have that fire. the killer instinct.
    ala darius miles or lebron james.
    i think if you're asking batum to be a 20/5 player night in and night out that's not something he can give you consistantly. it's been 3? 4years? now.
    if you're asking him to play tough defence, run with the guards, and shoot when the ball is kicked to him.
    he can do that pretty well.
    but as far as taking his man off the dribble, create his own shot, draw double teams and kick to the open player. that's just not his game. hes just not a superstar in the nba. in EU? he may be.. but rudy had that hype too.

    go with wallace, and draft another small forward. hussle doesnt age.
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 01/13/2012 3:36 PM

    Keep Wallace no question.  

    Batum has been a pro basketball player for 6 years.  When exactly is he going to breakout?  He is not mentally or physically tough enough to start in the NBA.  NOBODY in the league is intimidated by Nic Batum.  That said, I love him coming off the bench, scoring 10 points in about 24 minutes, and making some plays on defense. 

    Wallace is a former all-star.  He was a huge part of the Blazer run last season.  He gelled with the team instantly, and as he goes, so go the Blazers.  Yes he's 29 and yes he's had some injuries, but his athleticism has not suffered.  You don't see him avoiding contact, or playing conservative AT ALL.  I'll admit, Wallace won't be able to play as long as Camby or Thomas.  But we are nowhere near having to make a decision on him based on his age or ability.  If we trade Wallace, and in 5 years Batum is still shooting .37 and scoring <20 PPG where will be be?  Trading him for backup is where.

    The last piece is, what do you get for Wallace vs. Batum?  It's been said around the league that the Blazers want way too much for Batum.  I suspect that's true.  I've never seen so much hype around a guy coming of the bench.  The entire franchise and 99% of the fans are in love with him.  We are going to get more for him than we would for Wallace.  We traded Pryz and 2 draft picks for Wallace.  What are we going to get for Wallace?  A franchise center?  I doubt it.  Trade Batum while people are still willing to roll the dice on him, and use that trade to rebuild. 
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 01/14/2012 2:58 AM

    I don't think we have to choose. Nicolas is only 23, and while Gerald isn't old he isn't getting any younger. His play is sure decrease at some point over the next few years, and if all goes as hoped Nic will steadily improve. The same goes for the salaries. Nic is going to be on an escalating salary, but Gerald probably only has one more 3-4 year deal for $10 mil left in him. Paul Allen has got the pockets, and we have the Bird rights for both so I say spend on them both. Your only talking 1-2 years that they might both have near max deals, and I don't even think you'll have that. Besides they are two of the most versatile players in the league, especially defensively. So you can play both at  the 2-4 positions. It all boils down to the two of them. Are they going to compromise with the organization so we can have a perfect transition of franchise SF's? And are we not going to *F* it up by trading or losing one of them.
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  1. sealer legion
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    Posted 01/14/2012 3:24 AM

    Why don't we keep both Batum and Wallace? I don't think keeping Greg Oden, Luke Babbit, Armon Johnson and Craig Smith is better than losing either Batum or Wallace. Both Batum and Wallace are good at offense and defense. Neither of those players who I mentioned before who are as good as Batum and Wallace.
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  1. davefed
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    Posted 01/14/2012 2:57 PM

    must stay both! They are perfect at offense and defense! Wallace is player at SF/PF and Batum at SG/SF so they even can play together. And I think that Nic is the future of Blazers. Wallace even for few years will be great defensive player (in the worst case perfect role-player) so they must stay at home! And Rose Garden is they home!
    Batum also said that money it's no problem for him so I hope that everything gonna be alright and the next season we see them in Trail Blazers uniform!

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/14/2012 10:47 PM

    Sucks,our team is already struggling and your telling me we are gonna start losing dudes next year.Uggh,we need to add a player not subtract,if that loser oden would actually play,we'd be a top team in the west,otherwise we are barely a playoff team,and if we lose one of those guys,hello lottery
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 01/15/2012 1:57 PM

    i like the versatility the team has with both. when wallace has an off night batum has shown he can be the one to step up and score. i would look to keep both.
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  1. kennyc444
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    Posted 01/16/2012 4:04 PM

    There is a huge difference in playing styles with both of these players. I feel the diversity of these two players makes them together even more dangerous. Regardless of which player comes off of the bench. We may be looking at Batum being the sixth man of the year if he keeps playing like he has been. And I also feel that this squad cares more about the team as a whole than themselves. Batum is great off of the bench and with Portland doing everything they can to keep him off of the trading block it says a lot of his performance on and off the bench. Does he deserve to be in the starting 5? Most likely. Should we always put out our best players in the starting 5? Not always.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 01/16/2012 5:55 PM

    i like the depth we have, keep both, maybe consider swapping starting roles on back to backs, im sure crash wouldnt mind a breather, and nic wouldn't mind minutes
  1. nhel0912
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    Posted 01/16/2012 6:07 PM

    Keep them Both... I really love Crash, yeah he's 29. we need him now. and we need Batum in the future.
  1. Austin Martin
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    Posted 01/17/2012 8:07 AM

    I would contend that we should keep them both but realistically see it as a difficult manuver. If it looks like Crash wont resign without asking for giant bucks come the trade deadline, i would like to see us move him for one of the positions we most need filling. (young big is my biggest hole here). Then if it is possible resigning him in the offseason when he is a free agent (assuming he doesnt hate us for trading him!). Point is, if we are going to lose one we should get something out of it at least (just like the d-will or melo trades though not on the same level by any means).

    Love both guys, want both around, but the salary cap is going to become an issue soon.
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 01/17/2012 4:03 PM

    Just want to say that Batum really showed out the last 2 games.  He looked as good as everybody says he his.  Probably 2 of his top 3 performances as a Blazer.  Really good at both ends of the floor.  I hope you are right about keeping both but i don't see it happening.  I agree with Austin, something has to give so the Blazers can deal with the center position.  I'm still leaning towards keeping Crash but if Batum just needs more minutes to get his head wired on correctly then it's going to be a tough decision.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 01/18/2012 11:19 AM

    Why choose? The blazers didn't choose between Drexler and Paxon... we kept them both for 5 years.It happens all the time. What's wrong with depth and competition? If there were only 5 roster spots, then yea... but they both play a huge roll on this team the way it is. It's not about Batum's development - it's about the blazers. If Batum goes somewhere else and develops into an all-star... how does that help us. Why would blazer fans care about that. They both want to be here, they're both good players... leave it alone. There has to be something better to talk about. Why try to create a problem where there isn't one?
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 01/18/2012 1:21 PM

    I would love to keep both if that were possible, but I don't see it happening. We have some holes we need to shore up (future starting center, possibly a new point guard?) and our only legit trade bait is Wallace or Batum. Before this road trip I was nervous of handing the reigns over to Batum, but he's played very aggressive, something we need to see from him on a consistent basis. Now, it would hurt like heck to give up Crash but if he can be part of a package that nets us a All-Star center or point guard, then you may have to do it. Then again, I'd wait and see how free agency pans out and maybe we can fill those holes with our cap space this summer.
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 01/18/2012 3:55 PM

    Posted By ***Jason*** on 01/18/2012 11:19 AM
    Why choose? The blazers didn't choose between Drexler and Paxon... we kept them both for 5 years.It happens all the time. What's wrong with depth and competition? If there were only 5 roster spots, then yea... but they both play a huge roll on this team the way it is. It's not about Batum's development - it's about the blazers. If Batum goes somewhere else and develops into an all-star... how does that help us. Why would blazer fans care about that. They both want to be here, they're both good players... leave it alone. There has to be something better to talk about. Why try to create a problem where there isn't one?

    The assumption in this entire thread is that we do have to choose because of money Jason.  We're not going to draft a center this year so we need some room under the cap to pickup somebody who can fill Camby's shoes.  That's not going to be cheap.  Nobody is trying to create drama and the problem is real.  
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 01/18/2012 5:51 PM

    I get that, but you're talking about Batum man. I think they have to get that done, and I think they will. As far as money goes, the blazers still have their mini mid level exception worth 3 million/year for 3 years (that they get for being a luxory tax payer) + their full mid level exception since roy is gone worth 5 million / year for 4 years. That means they can offer a FA either up to a 4 year contract worth up to 20 million or a 3 year contract worth up to 9 million, or both. Canby's extension expires after this year. My guess is that's around 10 million/year. Oden's getting 1.5 and the blazers are going to give up on that. Also, they get about 8 million in luxery tax savings this year because of the amnesty on Roy. The Blazers are in pretty decent shape money wise the way they sit right now... and that's with Batum AND Wallace's contracts.
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 01/18/2012 7:44 PM

    Yep those numbers look promising, but also assumes that Wallace and Batum don't ask for a raise.  I hope you are right and it all works out.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 01/18/2012 11:35 PM

    True... and they will, but their contracts come off the books too, so the net result wont be as bad as you might think.  For example, Nic is coming off his rookie contract making 2.16 this year and they have to give him at least a qualifying offer of 3.17 / year next, so they could use the mid level exception on him at 4 million a year and the net result would be less then 2 million a year more then what theyre paying him now. It's not like 4 million more come out. For Wallace, they have bird rights, so they can offer him more and a longer deal then anyone else can. I think hes making like 9.5 right now and he has a player option next year which hes pretty likely to use because thats his leverage to get paid more. If you let Canby go you get that 10 million back + the 9.5 wallace is already making. Nic is taken care of, so you extend wallace with his 9.5 + some of the cash from some of the money that comes back from canby and use the rest to get another center. All that and its a proven fact that PA will pay the luxery tax if he thinks he can win. He always has. If were really just 1 player away, PA will make it happen.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 01/19/2012 12:15 AM

    might have to check me on one thing though. Im not SURE you can use the mid level exception to sign your own FA. I think you can, but it seems like someone said you couldnt once. Does anybody know?
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 01/19/2012 11:09 AM

    2 things Jason:
    First, I completely agree with you that people are making a big deal out of a small obstacle in the not-so-immediate future. I haven't heard any real evidence that we can't keep both Batum and Wallace.

    Second, thank you for finally posting actual numbers instead of just conjecture about the Blazers' finances. For those that don't look up all the math, that makes it a lot easier to digest. And it seems a lot more credible than saying whether we simply can or cannot afford it.

    Cmon guys, we've got a good 50 more games of the regular season ahead, with BOTH Batum and Wallace! Not only is that wayyyyy more important than potential trade scenarios down the line, but between here and there, things will happen that can't be predicted and will have huge impact on the final decision.
    Batum left last night's game to get x-rays on his eye; without knowing the results of that, how can anyone pretend to estimate his value (for the Blazers or potential trade partners)?
    Wallace has amazing energy and hustle, but he is an older member of our squad, and after powering through a shortened season (with minimal conditioning) and working so hard for us, will teams see him as still improving or as an aging star?
    On the other hand, both Wallace and Batum have stated (without the help of their agents) that they love Portland (Wallace has moved his family here and mentioned retiring as a Blazer, and Batum said on the pregame last week that he's not worried about the money); have we not already seen that as a key factor in players' decisions to sign/resign with the Blazers?
    Like Jason said, we'll be able to offer Nic more than he's been getting, plus we can offer Gerald more than other teams can, PLUS our owner has a history of springing for talent that he likes... and he obviously likes them both.

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  1. Napoleon7
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    Posted 01/20/2012 9:57 PM

    I like what both players bring to this team. I would vote for keeping both. That being said if we had the opportunity to imporve the team by the inclusion of one in a trade then you have to consider it. For example if the inclusion of either Wallace or Batum in a trade to Jew Jersey that would land us Williams I would say trade one. Do not just trade one for the sole reason they both play the 3. They both can cover multiple positions.
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  1. bdiddy21
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    Posted 01/21/2012 10:53 AM

    wassup blazers nation, my comment is only from a BASKETBALL perspective only! forget the numbers and players we COULD aquire.when i look at any other team and wat we could get from them i am left with the question: wat is out there that is so intriguing that would make up break up this current blazer team right now.all of ur comments and scenerios SOUND good but lets be realistic about some of these players.derrick williams has made it clear he wants to play in bigmarket city and team if dwight doesnt come to new jersey.as much as i love my blazers, thats not us.he had norrowed his list already to three teams and even if we did acquire him we would need to convince him to sign long term.do we want to take that chance nd give up either wallace and batum plus others parts when those players already say they WANT to be here?and honestly, do you think the nets would just want batum or wallace? we would be giving up wa too much to get d.will.most of the players that we want arent neccessarily worth breakin our whole team up for,that affects the locker room and chemistry on the court that we seem to have.i think for this year we just need some minor changes then see wat we can do in a strong upcoming draft and free agency.there arent many players that are out there to get via trade.we need a point guard and a backup/future center.name a tem that has those positions to spare and are willing to trade to us without asking for the majority of out roster?steve nash? is he worth it at his age? with all the fowarss they have in phoenix they dont need or want another and give up their star despite his age.and is he worth the two years he will play for us? i say no. there arent that many good centers in the nba anyway so who could we get? there is alot of centers in new orleans, but who wants pricy centers such as okafor or kaman? i think we should sign a veteran center and maybe find a pass first~change of pace point guard opposite to felton.because with all the athletes we have in wallace,batum and mathews we could use someone who gets them the ball.sometimes felton doesnt do that.and why not run a quicker line up in stretches of the game like felton/crawford,mathews,batum,wallace and aldridge? l.a. would be a matchup nightmare for a traditional center and wallace can play the 4 and be too quick for a normal power forward.i think we are fine until this offseason..
  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 01/21/2012 2:29 PM

    bdiddy - we've seen a ton of the Lamarcus at the 5 experiment because of injuries over the last few years. It's one thing when you want to go small for stretches, but Aldridge is NOT a center. Not even close. He dissapears completely. Same deal with crash at the 4. We DO need another big. At guard though, I'm actually intrigued with Nolan Smith. I think he's going to be special. He's already a solid peremiter defender... something some guys never develop. The other night in the Toronto game the lineup with Smith and Crawford extended the lead twice.  
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 01/21/2012 10:13 PM

    Posted By ***Jason*** on 01/21/2012 2:29 PM
    bdiddy - we've seen a ton of the Lamarcus at the 5 experiment because of injuries over the last few years. It's one thing when you want to go small for stretches, but Aldridge is NOT a center. Not even close. He dissapears completely. Same deal with crash at the 4. We DO need another big. At guard though, I'm actually intrigued with Nolan Smith. I think he's going to be special. He's already a solid peremiter defender... something some guys never develop. The other night in the Toronto game the lineup with Smith and Crawford extended the lead twice.  

    agreed sir. the question is what big can we get? i see 2 legit dominating centers in the league in bynum and howard. then you have a bunch of decent guys like nene marc gasol, chandler, ect. ect. the odds of us landing any of them seem to be slim but that is the 1 piece we are missing. i'd like to see lamarcus only play the 4 and have enough help at the 5 not to need to pick up those minutes. poor lamarcus looks tired out there on back to backs playing 40+ a night, i'd hate to see us over use him and see him get an injury later in the season. as we sit right now if we loose camby for a stretch we are stuck with undersized centers in aldridge and thomas for long periods. it might work playing some teams but legit centers can eat up their fouls and their energy.

    if i were in charge the only way im getting rid of batum or wallace if it's in a deal to land howard, and it doesn't sound like he has any interest in portland, and i dont know if numbers would work. i'd trade almost anyone but aldridge and id require keeping wallace or batum to get him, and i wouldnt accept turk as part of the trade.

    i think nolan smith has showed with a bit of experience he's going to be a great PG. he's hit good shots and played high energy defense. and he looks like smeagol on lord of the rings which is pretty BA IMHO

    chris johnson still needs to bulk up and work on rebounding but i think he needs more of a chance to play

    we have yet to see much eliot williams, i wonder if he will be lost on the bench all season

    babbit and johnson are all stars in d league and suck in the nba, i dont get them.
  1. uprised
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    Posted 01/23/2012 2:39 PM

    I guess I stand corrected on those numbers.  Fine by me, I like both.  Flip side is that means we don't get any new faces.
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/23/2012 3:35 PM

    Unfortunatley they might have to choose and it seems to me like they are choosing Batum,Honestly I have no idea who i'd choose,but Batum, he can hit 3's and does play better D, Wallace is alot better at creating his own offense,but It seems to me like the Blaze are leaning toward Batum
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/23/2012 3:35 PM

    Unfortunatley they might have to choose and it seems to me like they are choosing Batum,Honestly I have no idea who i'd choose,but Batum, he can hit 3's and does play better D, Wallace is alot better at creating his own offense,but It seems to me like the Blaze are leaning toward Batum
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 01/23/2012 4:33 PM

    ...what evidence is there that they have to choose? Or that they're leaning one way or the other? (Hint: There is none!)

    Batum hasn't been signed to the extension yet (but he will, Portland loves him), and we won't know about the decision with Wallace until the season is over anyway, right? (But we'll take his birdrights, Portland loves him) So without knowing what the Blazers will do with each and every contract (not just the 2 we're concerned with here), it's impossible to guess what the decision will be (we'll keep them both). There is ZERO EVIDENCE that we have to move a player. There's just PARANOIA.

    The only post so far to look at ACTUAL numbers (about whether or not we could afford to keep both) supported the idea that we do NOT have to get rid of either Wallace or Batum. In fact, with next year's contract situation, it sounds like it wouldn't be hard to keep both at all.

    Please stop worrying about how our team will look in future seasons. I feel like ever since the whole Lebron/Miami trade fiasco, and now the CP3/Clippers and Howard/ego trade fiascos, fans are WAYYYYY too quick to think that if they can just trade away their team for that one magical player, we'll win a championship. Look guys, it didn't happen for Miami last year, and it certainly isn't gonna happen for New York this year (best example ever of how to waste money on star power! Wow!), because after a team makes that amazing trade, they've still gotta let the TEAM develop around the star, and vice versa.
    You know what's one of the best thing about the Blazers this year? We DON'T have a superstar. We have a huge roster of guys with talent, but who never have had so much attention for their talent that they let their egos get out of control. Humility, respect, and teamwork are all traits that our players share, and as long as they can keep sharp and hungry, believe me, those traits will be exponentially more valuable than a team whose star thinks it's all about him on offense, but forgets to play both ends of the floor. And besides, we're growing our very own superstar the old fashioned way; PLAYER DEVELOPMENT with a squad he feels comfortable in. It may not give as much instant gratification as a proven celebrity arriving in town, but it's gonna pay dividends very soon.
    We don't need to trade for starpower, we don't need to clear cap space. We have a much more enjoyable task set out for the Blazers; develop a better all-around team game then anyone else, and play consistently enough that other teams are left scratching their heads. Rip City, we're not broken, so stop trying to find replacement parts! Just push our Blazers to keep improving, and enjoy the ride :)
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/23/2012 9:29 PM

    Yeah,I gotta say you gotta a point there my man,It is kinda silly to worry about whats gonna happen to our team in future seasons,especially after everything thats happened to our team over the years. Even though it is scary Paul allen says he doesn't want to spend anymore cash. I also agree,we aren't broken,we got all the parts,our team just has to learn how to win on the road,and start taking lower level teams(detroit,Phoenix) more serious
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 01/24/2012 4:43 PM

    Point taken Blazer247.  However, our centers are the two oldest players in the league.  So I'm going to have to disagree when you say that we should be worried about developing the current team only.  I certainly hope the Blazers are thinking ahead about that position right now.  I'm also going to disagree that the best thing about this team is that we don't have a superstar.  I'm pretty sure the Oden situation is a negative for the team, not a positive.  
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 01/25/2012 1:49 AM

    Not gonna argue at all about the centers, but my point is that we will have to deal with that months from now, same as the Batum/Wallace thing, not during the beginning of the season.
    And as for the second part of what you said, I'm not sure if I understand how the "Oden situation" being a negative for the team has any affect on it being a good thing that we don't have a superstar's ego on the team.
    But you're right, the fact Oden still can't play for us IS definitely a negative as well, and another problem to be addressed. Months from now, not right now.
    I am a fan of BLAZER BASKETBALL. Not drafts, not business, not trades, not David Stern. Just BLAZER BASKETBALL.
  1. Curvychloe
    Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/25/2012 2:51 PM

    Well,Oden doesn't have a big ego,i don't think,i'm sure he just wants to play
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  1. stacksfan2005
    stacksfan2005
    Posts: 363

    Posted 01/25/2012 5:36 PM

    well said blazer247, i certainly prefer to watch a team play the game, assists and team defense not only win games but is exciting to watch. playing point was always fun for me getting the team involved. i loved cutters. i hope our team plays high energy high IQ ball like we've seen against the thunder, grizz, and clips cut, screen, rebound, cut. and looses the laziness we've seen against the suck teams.
  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posts: 975

    Posted 01/26/2012 7:16 PM

    Posted By ***Jason*** on 01/19/2012 12:15 AM
    might have to check me on one thing though. Im not SURE you can use the mid level exception to sign your own FA. I think you can, but it seems like someone said you couldnt once. Does anybody know?

    You can go over the cap to sign your own players but you can't use the MLE to do so. You either get the Mid Level or Mini-Mid Level depending on how far over the cap you are
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 01/26/2012 7:22 PM

    Posted By uprised on 01/24/2012 4:43 PM
    Point taken Blazer247.  However, our centers are the two oldest players in the league.  So I'm going to have to disagree when you say that we should be worried about developing the current team only.  I certainly hope the Blazers are thinking ahead about that position right now.  I'm also going to disagree that the best thing about this team is that we don't have a superstar.  I'm pretty sure the Oden situation is a negative for the team, not a positive.  
    A GM should ALWAYS be looking at the future state of the team. And with Camby being 38, Chris Johnson looking like a NBDL All-Star and Oden appearing to never play again in a Blazer uniform, we need a young building block at center to help out LaMarcus. And I think two of our better chips to use as trade bait are Batum and Wallace. To me, whichever player nets us the best bang for our buck, we make the move.

    Also, I hate to say this because I love the guy, but it looks like Wallace is on the decline. Any time a player who relies on athletic ability and hustle to get by in the league hits that 30 year old mark it can be worrisome. I think we are already seeing signs of Crash breaking down. It may be in our best interest to move him now while his value is high.
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  1. Joseph Turner
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    Posted 01/26/2012 7:42 PM

    Still plenty of time to figure out what to do, it's as if the preason is still in gear, just start Batum and see what happens,I don't want both of them to go, yet put Felton with the 2nd unit and see what permeats.  I love all the guys even though game nights when they blow a game,I lose my composure, you guys are my team! 
  1. Joseph Turner
    Joseph Turner
    Posts: 4

    Posted 01/26/2012 7:42 PM

    Still plenty of time to figure out what to do, it's as if the preason is still in gear, just start Batum and see what happens,I don't want both of them to go, yet put Felton with the 2nd unit and see what permeats.  I love all the guys even though game nights when they blow a game,I lose my composure, you guys are my team! 
  1. jamsmashers
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    Posts: 297

    Posted 01/26/2012 7:48 PM

    Would enjoy seeing a trade between us and Boston. I think rondo would be a great upgrade because Felton has underachieved so far this season. I thinkRay allen would also be a perfect fit for portland. The key piece to the trade would be Camby but would also include wallace. Felton Wallace and Camby for ray allen  and rondo. We would be overly strong at sg, and could make another trade for a center (ray allen and crawford would be excelent sg, batuum  at sf, make a mathews trade for varajou? solidify at center)

    Boston views the trade like this, they cant win the way they are now, they need a center thats great at lock down d, camby fits the bill well, gerald plays great d and start at sf, pierce will overpower almost all sg, felton would be the weakest points at d, but i think I think boston would regain its defensive glory
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posts: 297

    Posted 01/26/2012 7:48 PM

    Would enjoy seeing a trade between us and Boston. I think rondo would be a great upgrade because Felton has underachieved so far this season. I thinkRay allen would also be a perfect fit for portland. The key piece to the trade would be Camby but would also include wallace. Felton Wallace and Camby for ray allen  and rondo. We would be overly strong at sg, and could make another trade for a center (ray allen and crawford would be excelent sg, batuum  at sf, make a mathews trade for varajou? solidify at center)

    Boston views the trade like this, they cant win the way they are now, they need a center thats great at lock down d, camby fits the bill well, gerald plays great d and start at sf, pierce will overpower almost all sg, felton would be the weakest points at d, but i think I think boston would regain its defensive glory
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  1. daddylogan
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    Posts: 188

    Posted 01/26/2012 10:24 PM

    Simple...let Oden go and keep both Batum and Wallace. A healthy Wallace has a good 5 years left in him and Batum is only going to get better.

    peace out,
    daddy
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posts: 259

    Posted 01/27/2012 8:52 AM

    Oden's only making like 1.5. Batum's qualifying offer which obviously wasn't even close to what him and his agent were looking for was almost 4 million per year, and wallace is making about 9.5 million a year and will be looking for more soon. The Blazers could have gotten this done if they wanted (although it would have had consequences on flexibility in the FA market this summer), but Oden's salary is pocket change in this deal - really doesn't have anything to do with it.
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  1. ***Jason***
    ***Jason***
    Posts: 259

    Posted 01/27/2012 8:54 AM

    Understood on the MLE to sign your own players when you're over the cap, but the Blazers do have both the mini mid-level (3million/ for 3 years) AND their mid-level (4million/ for 4 years). It's not either/or.
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  1. uprised
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    Posts: 136

    Posted 01/27/2012 10:08 AM

    I like a trade with Boston too although I don't think I would offer up Wallace and Camby for Rondo.  I would do Felton and Batum for Rondo.  
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