Grade The Draft: Blazers Add Felton, Smith & Diebler
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/23/2011 10:38 PM

    Grade The Trail Blazers' 2011 Draft Night
    A (26)
     14%
    B (84)
     46%
    C (36)
     20%
    D (24)
     13%
    F (12)
     7%



     The Portland Trail Blazers have acquired guard Raymond Felton from the Denver Nuggets in exchange for guard Andre Miller, while sending Rudy Fernandez and Petteri Koponen's NBA rights to Dallas as part of a three-team trade. The Trail Blazers selected guard Nolan Smith with the 21st overall pick in the first round, and guard Jon Diebler with the 51st overall pick in the second round.
     Felton, 26, has career averages of 13.7 points, 3.4 rebounds, 6.7 assists and 1.46 steals in six seasons with Charlotte, New York and Denver.
    Smith, 22, played four seasons at Duke, where he was a member of the 2010 NCAA Championship team and named consensus First Team All-American, ACC Player of the Year and ACC Tournament MVP as a senior in 2011. He posted a career-high 20.6 points, 4.5 rebounds and 5.1 assists his senior 2010-11 season.
     Diebler, 23, averaged 10.7 points, 2.8 rebounds and 1.9 assists while shooting 41.6 percent (374-for-900) from 3-point range in four seasons at Ohio State. He finished his four-year career as the Big Ten's all-time leader for career 3-pointers.

    Portland Trades:
    Andre Miller
    Rudy Fernandez
    Petteri Koponen


    Portland Receives:
    Raymond Felton

    Once again, the Trail Blazers have made draft night an eventful night to remember for fans everywhere! Gone is the steadfast and reliable leader, Andre Miller who was the rock for Portland during two playoff seasons and energetic shooting guard Rudy Fernandez. In the end, the Blazers acquired Felton, nearly 10 years younger than Miller who could become the "Point Guard of the Future" for the Blazers as well as Duke point guard Nolan Smith who led the Dukies to a #1 seed after #1 pick Kyire Irving went down and Job Diebler, the all-time leader in 3 point field goals in Big Ten history.

    So Rip City, what is it: How do you feel about this trade?
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/23/2011 10:54 PM

    I'll give it a B.  I think we gave up too much, and we're going to miss Andre, but I understand why it's done, and I'm a huge fan of Raymond Felton.  I also am not sold on our draft picks yet.
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  1. Richard Ackerman
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    Posted 06/23/2011 10:56 PM

    I think we're gonna miss Andre more than anybody realizes. He is one of the main reasons Lamarcus was able to shine this past year with all those alley-oops and good post entry passes. And if we're banking on Oden being here, no one better to get him the ball than Dre. It was a lateral move picking up Felton at best. Yes he's younger but Dre's age has never really been an issue. He's never been quick so he's not losing that, and he's about as durable as an nba player can be. Overall very disappointed in the move and in the draft in general.
    I am a fan of this team. Here's to hoping for a healthy season!!!
  1. offspring2525
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:01 PM

    Felton isn't a great shooter, so this whole concept of him really helping to spread the floor for guys is comedy. He doesn't have the same court vision that Andre possesses, and he's turnover/bad-shot prone. Really don't see how this helps the team in any other way than they can now say we have a younger, "prime" PG in place (Miller, imo, is still in his prime and the guy is so underrated it isn't funny).

    Without Miller as the glue guy I honestly forsee a missed postseason, barring a healthy Greg Oden. I think this will come to be seen as a mistake (like the Cho situation.. which actually WASN'T a mistake, as he was a pretty decent GM by all accounts).
  1. CrazyRusty
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:02 PM

    Here's why I gave the Blazers a D for tonight's draft. Going into the night I thought we needed length. Not necessarily centers but we needed top height at each spot on the floor. We didn't get any. Smith might end up being an average PG in the NBA. But that's a big might. Diebler is a lights out shooter. But can he guard an NBA 2 or 3 man? The only upside I saw about tonight was that we got younger at PG. I liked Andre and thought he helped us out a lot. I actually wish we could have kept him and gotten a guy like Felton to come in and back him up. Patty Mills and Armon Johnson are both mediocre PG in the NBA. I love them to death and I especially like Patty's spark off the bench but we would have been set at PG with Andre and Felton. 

    Getting rid of Rudy was huge. In both a good and bad way. No longer will we have to listen to him complain about playing time or going through a shooting slump. But he will be missed. His shooting ability will be missed. His crazy, foreign antics will be missed. His fan friendly style will be missed. But I think we can live with all that. Portland is a city that gets very attached to it's NBA team's players. It's a great thing for the players and the fans but then when days like today come around, it stings a little. 

    Last note, why do the Blazers organization always fire great GMs? Pritchard first. Now Cho. Cho is some amazing dealing and drafting in Charlotte today. And what did we do? Well my grade of a D should answer that question. Thanks Paul Allen. Stop screwing your team out of a championship!
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:10 PM

    I gave it a b since we shouldnt have had to include the first round pick we got from dallas in the denver deal.  I wouldve given us an a if we could've kept Jordan Hamilton since he is good.  We need another big man but we can still make another trade or get a free agent.  getting bigs wasnt a neccesity for us today
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  1. Evan Ransom
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:10 PM

    I gave it an A but i really think it was a solid B i wanted them to move up and get KEMBA!!!! hahaha but I like the additions of Smith and Ray Felton. I think that it was time to move on from Rudy and Dre and I'm glad to see the Blazers heading in the right direction. I look forward to see A) How Felton works out B) If Brandon can play like he showed he can in the post season. and C) If Greg is able to make a return. RIP CITY BABY
  1. Evan Ransom
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:11 PM

    I gave it an A but i really think it was a solid B i wanted them to move up and get KEMBA!!!! hahaha but I like the additions of Smith and Ray Felton. I think that it was time to move on from Rudy and Dre and I'm glad to see the Blazers heading in the right direction. I look forward to see A) How Felton works out B) If Brandon can play like he showed he can in the post season. and C) If Greg is able to make a return. RIP CITY BABY
  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:15 PM

    i gave em a C did like who we drafted i like felton though and andre being the glue just dont see it he clash with the coach a couple times and him and brandon didnt work well together plus he was a quite sure you seen him cheer from the bench a couple of times but the glue he made the haf court offense work but he hinderd the fast break and i think felton is capable of both
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  1. Belphegor
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:16 PM

    D....... You messed up when you traded Rudy, portland.....
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  1. Posted 06/23/2011 11:25 PM

    I give it a B.  I wonder how much input Gerald Wallace had in the trade for Felton.  They played together in Charlotte and Felton is from Carolina!  Rookies....wait and see.  Will miss Dre but not Rudy.  Go Blazers.
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  1. Michael Kiever
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:28 PM

    If you dont think this was a grade A draft for the blazers, then I dont know what to say. we got a solid point guard, a shooter to replace rudy and a great future point guard with lots of potential
    I am a fan of Greg Oden not being the next Sam bowie
  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:29 PM

    I voted C I like the trade I think Felton will be a good fit but, we will miss Dre especially when we no one else had it going he always found a way to score and make plays when we needed it but, I think Felton will be fine once he knows how to play with everyone don't forget he did play with Gerald in Charlotte. I think we should of got Kenneh Faried he would of been a good energy backup for LA that is my only conern in the draft is LA still does not have a backup hopefully we can get a good one before the season starts.
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  1. offspring2525
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    Posted 06/23/2011 11:39 PM

    Anybody who votes this an A draft REALLY doesn't know how much they're overrating Raymond Felton. He wasn't even their starting PG! He has a good 1/2 season in New York and all of a sudden he's a great up and coming player or something? Miller is still the better player. Management is just afraid of his age. Even though he's been the healthiest player in the league over the past 8 or 10 seasons.
  1. Bertram
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    Posted 06/24/2011 12:41 AM

    I'm giving draft day a C+. Not sure if Nolan Smiths game will translate over to the NBA, that remains to be seen. However in the college level he's proven that he can come in and run a team effectively. He has a serviceable shot and spent the whole 4 years in Duke under Kryzcewski, so coaching adjustment wont be as difficult for him.

    With Raymond Felton I think we got slightly better at the starting Point Guard position at least for our team. Andre for us MANAGED to be effective, however the first year and a quarter here he was really playing outside of what he's been doing for the entirety of his career, which is dominating the basketball and running the offense through him. It was only until Brandon got injured that he really got to do what he was comfortable with. With the addition of Raymond Felton he has the capability of running a team, making good entry passes in the post and most importantly play defense against today's Derrick Roses and Chris Pauls. Not to mention he's a much better shooter from the outside than Andre Miller.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 06/24/2011 12:48 AM

    Nice to see Rudy gone, that dude has not produced in the playoffs. A bit worried to see Miller go, but Felton is younger and  a better shooter, so we'll see. I think we are going to be a bit faster on offense with wallace and felton playing together. Plus we have roy who can play the point - I mean if Jason kid at 38 and super slow wins a ring by being a great shooter from the outside and a great passer, why couldnt Roy work to be similar. I give it a B.
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  1. blazertight
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    Posted 06/24/2011 1:00 AM

    il give it an A...WE really need a shooting pg badly and a pg who can run...
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  1. mario250775
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    Posted 06/24/2011 1:44 AM

    I gave B, We really need some changes and Felton is yuonger from Dre, Maybe Andre can still play on high level for 1-2 years but I am glad that We have Raymond know, about Rudy that the way it is :-( , I am little sad, I like him but last playoffs He playey awful and about young we will see what they can bring to the team.

    GO BLAZERS !!! 
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  1. DaString
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    Posted 06/24/2011 2:11 AM

    Gotta go with a B. Younger, quicker, better d at the point is always a plus when you have an aging vet. Don't get me wrong I fell in love with Dre last season, he was one of the most constant guys on the team when we needed that the most. However, the trade and pick was an upgrade maybe not for next year but down the road. If GO and Roy come back healthy I could really see this team making a good run this year and a better one the year after. I have yet to be convinced on Babbs or AJ yet so I think bringing in two more players at their positions will show their true colors and allow the Blazers to end with the best lineup. Like Patty but I dont really think he has what it takes to be a solid producer for the team. I supper excited to see E-Will play and flaunt that 48" vert. With the core guys we have and these new additions either bringing out the best in who we have now or replacing them with better talent overall this was a pretty good draft. Could have been better but also coulda been way worse.
  1. DaString
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    Posted 06/24/2011 2:11 AM

    Gotta go with a B. Younger, quicker, better d at the point is always a plus when you have an aging vet. Don't get me wrong I fell in love with Dre last season, he was one of the most constant guys on the team when we needed that the most. However, the trade and pick was an upgrade maybe not for next year but down the road. If GO and Roy come back healthy I could really see this team making a good run this year and a better one the year after. I have yet to be convinced on Babbs or AJ yet so I think bringing in two more players at their positions will show their true colors and allow the Blazers to end with the best lineup. Like Patty but I dont really think he has what it takes to be a solid producer for the team. I supper excited to see E-Will play and flaunt that 48" vert. With the core guys we have and these new additions either bringing out the best in who we have now or replacing them with better talent overall this was a pretty good draft. Could have been better but also coulda been way worse.
  1. Mo Davis
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    Posted 06/24/2011 2:20 AM

    Andre was great. One of my favorite Blazers of all time. Wish he was still around for us, but I will always be a fan of his no matter who he plays for due to the grit and integrity he has shown this city. Rudy is someone I really wanted to like, and as charming as he could be, on and off the court, made it impossible to truly like him. Hope the trades make an interesting season, but really, I care so much less about professional basketball than I ever have. Trade whomever, it doesn't really matter, the politics behind this game are just nauseating. Entertain me now sports team! That is what you are born to do. That, and die penniless.
  1. L-TRAIN12
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    Posted 06/24/2011 2:25 AM

    i gave it a C... raymond felton can shoot and can speed up the tempo but DRE is a better perimeter defender and worked really well with the rest of the lineup. Not a bad trade i can see felton has potential and can produce a lot more years than dre. giving up rudy is risky because roy might not be healthy butif he is i dont mind giving up rudy. Nolan smith was probably the best available PG left and he can be a solid backup for felton. with this we just hope felton produces,find a backup for L-Train, and hope oden stays healthy
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  1. L-TRAIN12
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    Posted 06/24/2011 2:25 AM

    i gave it a C... raymond felton can shoot and can speed up the tempo but DRE is a better perimeter defender and worked really well with the rest of the lineup. Not a bad trade i can see felton has potential and can produce a lot more years than dre. giving up rudy is risky because roy might not be healthy butif he is i dont mind giving up rudy. Nolan smith was probably the best available PG left and he can be a solid backup for felton. with this we just hope felton produces,find a backup for L-Train, and hope oden stays healthy
    I am a fan of beating the mavs next year!!
  1. chump01284
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    Posted 06/24/2011 3:40 AM

    i gave it F, Stupid trade and picks. stack up PG some more? Wheres C and PF? Felton is younger verison of Miller. Blazers never will past first round in playoff If they don't draft anyone for C or PF. Camby is getting old, Oden is no good. F for Draft and Trade!
  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 06/24/2011 4:22 AM

    I gave it a C Andre had 3 good years in him and he made Lamarcus look real dam good if Felton can do the same and have the same consistancy as Andre did than it was a good trade. We did not address the PF/C situation at all. I am only assuming that they have something in the works because I cannot believe that they are hanging their hats on Greg/Chris ATM.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/24/2011 4:27 AM

    AWESOME!



    Felton RULES
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  1. Zman66
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    Posted 06/24/2011 5:32 AM

    For me, I wanted to see Faried drafted. It's about possessions, Portland needs rebounding help and they need Point guards that don't turn the ball over. Ray Felton might be ok but, they drafted a turnover machine. I hope we are not done, I'm hoping that something else happens before training camp like picking Pendergraph back up. I just want to see Portland get some attitude and toughness. Either shoot better or rebound and maybe getting rid of Rudy and picking up Ray will help the shooting. I was so excited for this draft and to be honest it was kinda lame.
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  1. Rich Young
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    Posted 06/24/2011 5:36 AM

    Horrible draft. Buchanan has shown that he's not a gm, we overpaid for Miller. We got an ok pick in Smith but overlooked Faried (who was a much safer pick). I don't know. I really felt the Blazers jumped the shark on this one. Rudy gone for nothing in return? Get serious Blazers. Both Miller and Rudy will come back to haunt us later. I don't feel we are better with what we did. We got Pritchslapped in reverse. The team on the court wants to win, and the team in upper management wants to all be the GM. This isn't going to work.
  1. Z11Weaver
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    Posted 06/24/2011 6:50 AM

    Dumb trades... 3 for one and then pass over Faried so maybe even 4 for one??? Mr. Allen, a GM your not!!! That's why they have GM's to do the right thing. If Prich were here, this BS would never have happend. Grade... F. What did you get for Rudy???? Many teams wanted him and you could have gotten something for him instead of nothing for nothing. Once again, F  Hire a GM that knows what he's doing and knows how to stand up and say NO!!!
  1. 3Goggles
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    Posted 06/24/2011 8:08 AM

    I'll say a B, we let a couple palyers go that we coulda picked up over nolan, however felton is great that helps and andre does need to go. Nolan will open up the floor and I am a huge duke boy haha so that is always nice!
    I am a fan of Rip City!!
  1. Z11Weaver
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    Posted 06/24/2011 9:32 AM

    To prove my point!!!

    Loser: Portland Trail Blazers

    Felton

     

    The Portland Trail Blazers traded one of the most underappreciated players in point guard Andre Miller(notes) to the Denver Nuggets and sent athletic guard Rudy Fernandez(notes) to the Dallas Mavericks while acquiring point guard Raymond Felton(notes) in a three-team trade. The Nuggets were disappointed with Felton after a lackluster offensive-minded performance in the playoffs and were determined to trade him. While Felton is a solid starting point guard, he’s not as experienced a floor leader as Miller. Friends close to Nuggets coach George Karl said he was thrilled about the return of Miller, whom he hated to see dealt in the Allen Iverson(notes) trade on Dec. 19, 2006. While Fernandez wanted out, the Blazers helped the NBA champion Mavericks and lost an insurance policy for injury-prone guard Brandon Roy(notes).

  1. Crim
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    Posted 06/24/2011 10:02 AM

    definite A, can't believe the smack the morning sports page and ben golliver are talking this morning, Felton was huge in his role as a leader for the Knicks until he got traded, he was hitting big shots (announcers at the time were talking about his improved shooting) and making smart passes to amare, it looked like amare wasn't going to miss Steve Nash at all at the beginning of the season because he and amare were great on the pick and roll. Now we will have felton and aldridge able to do the pick and roll, as well as running the offense as a young, yet experienced leader.
    I really liked andre, but i think this trade will do better for us than a tony parker or jennings, because we would have had to give up batum to get them. The fact that we got felton for just andre and rudy should make this a steal.
    Nolan Smith could end up being one of those players everyboody missed on with the kind of work ethic he carries, he will be a great practice team guard for us next year, although Roy will undoubtedly the first backup pg off the bench, if he goes does we will have plenty of backup options.
    Diebler is what they meant to do with Babbit last year, get a specialist who can come off the bench and maybe hit a couple shots against the other teams backups and then sit back down. At pick 51 when everyone else is grabbing foreign talent to stash, the blazers were still thinking about getting someone who can maybe make the team next year.
    I like that they got rid of koponen before he became a problem, they obviously had nolan or another pg targeted in the draft with them not bringing the fin guard over yet. He obviously felt like the blazer's weren't utilizing him, so now he's on a new team who can take a chance on him.
    I think it was smart to get another cheap backup pg that won't need minutes to still get better, why waste a roster spot and veterans money on a position we already have depth at (even if it's not healthy because of Roy, or NBA ready like with Armon) and now we can focus on picking up front-corut depth with an MLE or trade in the future, depending on the future CBA.
    I for one am very excited about the future of the blazers, and am hoping this lockout doesn't last too long, but being that we have a center we are hoping to have back in December/January, as well as Roy and Aldridge (2nd most minutues last year) getting more rest. it's not horrible that we may miss some games, but I hope they can get a deal done, would have been awesome to see what diebler and smith could do alongside babbit and armon and christ johnson in the summer league...feel pretty damn cheated as a fan.
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  1. Crim
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    Posted 06/24/2011 10:02 AM

    definite A, can't believe the smack the morning sports page and ben golliver are talking this morning, Felton was huge in his role as a leader for the Knicks until he got traded, he was hitting big shots (announcers at the time were talking about his improved shooting) and making smart passes to amare, it looked like amare wasn't going to miss Steve Nash at all at the beginning of the season because he and amare were great on the pick and roll. Now we will have felton and aldridge able to do the pick and roll, as well as running the offense as a young, yet experienced leader.
    I really liked andre, but i think this trade will do better for us than a tony parker or jennings, because we would have had to give up batum to get them. The fact that we got felton for just andre and rudy should make this a steal.
    Nolan Smith could end up being one of those players everyboody missed on with the kind of work ethic he carries, he will be a great practice team guard for us next year, although Roy will undoubtedly the first backup pg off the bench, if he goes does we will have plenty of backup options.
    Diebler is what they meant to do with Babbit last year, get a specialist who can come off the bench and maybe hit a couple shots against the other teams backups and then sit back down. At pick 51 when everyone else is grabbing foreign talent to stash, the blazers were still thinking about getting someone who can maybe make the team next year.
    I like that they got rid of koponen before he became a problem, they obviously had nolan or another pg targeted in the draft with them not bringing the fin guard over yet. He obviously felt like the blazer's weren't utilizing him, so now he's on a new team who can take a chance on him.
    I think it was smart to get another cheap backup pg that won't need minutes to still get better, why waste a roster spot and veterans money on a position we already have depth at (even if it's not healthy because of Roy, or NBA ready like with Armon) and now we can focus on picking up front-corut depth with an MLE or trade in the future, depending on the future CBA.
    I for one am very excited about the future of the blazers, and am hoping this lockout doesn't last too long, but being that we have a center we are hoping to have back in December/January, as well as Roy and Aldridge (2nd most minutues last year) getting more rest. it's not horrible that we may miss some games, but I hope they can get a deal done, would have been awesome to see what diebler and smith could do alongside babbit and armon and christ johnson in the summer league...feel pretty damn cheated as a fan.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/24/2011 10:35 AM

    I will definitely miss Dre'. The man was an Iron Man professional. Rudy on the otherhand, im happy to see leave.He hasnt been the same since Sergio got traded.
    Felton is fearless,is quicker than Dre', is a better shooter than Dre', and is younger. At eight assist per last year,thats not to shabby.
    I think alot of people who are sleeping on Nolan will be awakened this year as to the skillset of this young man. The kid has got game. He comes from a good program. Coach K develops winners who are coachable.
    Not to mention , when Kyrie Irving got injured,it was Nolan who stepped in and up to keep Duke in the thick of things.
    I have to admit, there was a hint of bile in my mouth when we didnt grab Faried with the 21st pick. Even worse is that he is in our division.
    I would imagine that if Pendy comes to camp correct, he'll be signed. I wouldnt mind making a move for JaVale McGee for Cambys expiring contract,and maybe the expendables on the end of the bench. Most notably, Babbitt and Barron. Hell, i dont even know if thats feasible contract wise. But we still have to address our pivot position predicament. Id love to see G.O. ready to go. Chris Johnson should be good to go. Milsap or Brandon Bass to back up L.A. would be nice. Or Jason Maxiel. Whatever happened to Maxiel? He used to be a beast in Detroit.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/24/2011 10:39 AM

    I would rate this draft a "B" because we got a good pg in Felton but we gave up too much for him.  If we could have done the trade without the rights to Jordan Hamilton being shipped out I would have considered it a good draft probably an "A".  I will not miss Fernandez and his 37% shooting percentage.  I will miss Miller.  I also wish we would have drafted Kenneth Faried at number 21 instesd of Nolan Smith.  He was available.  He would have been an excellent player to bring in on the 2nd unit.  What are we going to do with the 57th pick? 
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  1. caseyholdahl
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    Posted 06/24/2011 10:42 AM

    I refuse to give grades on the draft until at least a year afterward. It's not fair to the team or players, imo.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 06/24/2011 11:06 AM

    I have to agree with Offspring.  When is managment going to quit going for younger talent and when they start maturing they trade them becuase they are afraid of age.  Dre had probabgly three years left in him and could have helped developed younger talent.

    Sorry to see you go Dre!
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 06/24/2011 11:48 AM

    Posted By caseyholdahl on 06/24/2011 10:42 AM
    I refuse to give grades on the draft until at least a year afterward. It's not fair to the team or players, imo.
    I agree.  While I think it premature to grade this year's draft, I do believe it worth discussion.  Felton is going to have some awfully big shoes to fill, and only time will tell.  My knee-jerk is to put my tickets up for sale.  Very disappointed and feel that not having a GM hurt Portland where it came to negotiations.  Basketball IQ was not the issue.  Research and the collection of critical data, also not the issue.  Negotiating...very much an issue.

    I believe Denver to have stipulated Faried be available at 22.  Both teams were noticeably tardy sending Stern to the podium with 21 and 22.  That being the case, Portland gave up Dre, Rudy AND Faried for Felton.  Too much for a rental second tier starting PG, as much as I like my Carolina representation (even with Duke representation coming with).  Both Felton and Smith are "wait and see" IMO, whereas Faried would have filled an immediate need immediately and was the lowest risk prospect in the draft.  Not sure that Smith will be able to translate his game to the next level, especially with his lack of size and marginal athleticism comparitively at that position.  I was BIG on Faried and will be among the masses watching to see which draftee has the more immediate and positive impact for their respective team.  

    I am also of the belief now that my fears have now been realized with Batum.  He is now a depreciating asset, a somber realization for Blazer brass in their admitted dealings with 29 teams prior to the draft.  Cheaper to keep him now.  What we're fed, like animals, by the many media outlets, and the truth, are not always one in the same and are often very scripted by the organization.  Keep that in mind moving forward.  For those that argue year after year that he's "young", remember, he has been playing organized basketball since the binky has been plucked from his mouth.  Additionally, no amount of experience on the floor will alter personality.  Nic's is a passive one.  Learn to drop the hips and create with the bounce while attacking the rim and I'll back off.

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  1. Ricky
    Ricky
    Posts: 540

    Posted 06/24/2011 12:01 PM

    I would rate the draft a B.  I will miss Dre.  Not miss Rudy's 37% FG%.  Too much for Felton even though I like him a lot.  Bummed that we passed on Faried.
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  1. ksmart
    ksmart
    Posts: 6

    Posted 06/24/2011 12:07 PM

    cant grade what I havent seen perform... we really missed out by passing up on faried wouldve had another CRASH on the court a rebounding machine that will develope into a leader youll see... the guy eats energizers for beakfest... an I think we didnt really have an idea where we were going with the draft since cho got released an with just threw a new guy in their seemed as though we were in a scramble tring to make quick decision's without any real direction..seeing dre go was drastic its not all bout picking up the pace with felton...dre, hes a basketball master mind an he had great chemistry with the team... now felton maybe a quicker lil more athletic but he wont connect like dre did, setting up the offence. putting it into motion..I bet N.Smith will surpass felton for starter halfway though the season...anyways
    GO BLAZERS...
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  1. mbmurr1
    mbmurr1
    Posts: 530

    Posted 06/24/2011 12:28 PM

    The trade was ok but not picking Kenneth Faried is a slap in the face to Blazer fans. We gave up enough for Felton without passing on Faried.
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  1. Gus Stewart
    Gus Stewart
    Posts: 1

    Posted 06/24/2011 1:06 PM

    Should've drafted Faried... We need a post that thrives on rebounding!
  1. commontongue
    commontongue
    Posts: 1864

    Posted 06/24/2011 1:10 PM

    I think Faried has a hint of asthma. I think that might be a reason that they passed on him. I cant see any other reason for the front offices blatant disregard for common sense, and our wishes.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Susanna
    Susanna
    Posts: 1

    Posted 06/24/2011 1:29 PM

    I for one am tired of all hope being pinned on Greg Oden and Brandon Roy.  The Blazers should be more worried about having a healthy team, not just a young one.  I'm in favor of trading both Bowie...excuse me, Oden...and Roy. 
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 06/24/2011 1:38 PM

    Wow there was some foolish things posted on the this so far. Felton is a pick and roll point guard, which means LA will likely play farther from the basket and that is not a good thing. Smith was taken to early but if his IQ and defense translates to the NBA he is fine. Diebler is a 3 pt specialist but without a penetrating guard to get him open looks he is essentially worthless. 

    We still have some needs we need some length as we cannot bank on either Camby or Oden to stay healthy. Luckily there is some help available on the market. I would like to see Portland sign Wilson Chandler he is athletic and at 6'8 can guard all 5 positions he also would bring some needed toughness. I do not know if Chandler will be accessible but he could replace either Camby or Oden. Landry and Chuck Hayes are also affordable options to add some size and depth to Portland. 

    Overall grade is a D but there is time to make things better.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Ryan Presley
    Ryan Presley
    Posts: 1

    Posted 06/24/2011 1:45 PM

    Why dont you give the guy a chance before you say stuff like forseeing the blazers missing the postseason, with LaMarcus only getting better and Wallace with a full year to play with our guys we are easily getting out of the first round, as for Felton he averaged more points AND assists then Andre so he can obviously dish it out better, not to mention he was playing for Denver who is more like us as in they were a TEAM, not just a one man Melo show so he knows about teamwork.  Real fans dont dis bro they look to the bright side, and my opinion we are a better team today then we were june 22nd.
  1. Crim
    Crim
    Posts: 398

    Posted 06/24/2011 1:52 PM

    Some of you fans are so silly, it's almost embarrassing to be associated with you  even on a fan level, to quote a local writer, anything short of Chris Paul for a bag of Cheetos isn't good enough for you guys. Kenneth may have been dunkin since he was a youngin like kenneth faried, but he is far form a sure fire difference-maker, we are trying to make the court bigger, not smaller, and another player who can't shoot and can't make free throws makes the court smaller for the opposing defense.
    I know all of you blazer fans will realize the irony of your words, you want change yet you are deathly afraid of it, and eventually whenever basketball starts up again you will see just how great Felton is on a good team when he's a starter with a Big (not to mention athletic wings) who can finish around the rim. He is going to change the look of this team, and bring some chemistry to this team, as he's been coached by bickerstaff and played with Gerald Wallace.
    Wouldn't have made sense to hire a free agent for a roster spot that may or may not be there throughout the season, having a young (yet experienced) pg is what we need, next year we need practice guards to push our guys and to fill in when players go down (something Smith did last year well), here's what the depth chart will look like (most likely) next season

    1. Felton , Roy, Smith/Johnson/(patty if Allen has his way)
    2. Mathews , Batum , Roy , Williams , Smith , Diegler (if johnson and patty aren't on the roster next year it's because this guy made it over them)
    3. Wallace , Batum ,  ? (I am pretty sure Babbit will be cut/dealt before start of season, so I don't know who will be slotted at the third spot at the 3 position.

    Andre will be missed, but don't let your shock and grief ruin the future, it is what it is, and sometimes hurdles can be sidestepped if no ones looking, and after this trade (from the national media) it appears this one was mostly unnoticed, which in my opinion is also a good thing.
    This being said I wanted Felton more than I wanted Tony Parker or Steve Nash, we didn't give up ANYTHING we weren't already trying to get rid of.
    I am a fan of Not Feeding the Trolls.
  1. Brandon Weinant
    Brandon Weinant
    Posts: 109

    Posted 06/24/2011 2:35 PM

    you know i find it funny that some of the same people.. when dre first got to portland they didn't want him. they wanted blake. not miller... but then miller showed everyone why he was brought in here.... he took the starting job from blake than blake was traded.

    miller and felton have similar qualities. they are both hard nosed basketball players.
    for those of you that dont know much about felton.. dont watch the time he spent with the knicks or denver. go wtach the time he spent in charlotte. when he argueably outplayed nelson of the magic in the playoffs. that was a few years ago.
    as much as i love miller and his flapping wing expressions felton is a better basketball move.
    as far as giving up a drafted rook for felton? meh it's a rookie. you dont know how hes going to do. he could do well. but you can say the samething about all rookies.
    rudy needed to go.
    I am a fan of defence.
  1. Taylor Hybl
    Taylor Hybl
    Posts: 43

    Posted 06/24/2011 3:37 PM

    B

    I would have gave it an A if they swaped pick 21 and 22 so we could get faried and at 51 take isah Thomas for back up point.

    Overall its decent, but could have done better.
    I am a fan of Getting the right players to win
  1. Tiki Kienle
    Tiki Kienle
    Posts: 283

    Posted 06/24/2011 5:26 PM

    I love how everybody has like 1, 2 3 or 7 posts.

    Okay. I see a majority of people giving this trade an A or a B.

    I give this trade a D+

    I don't even know where to start.... We needed length, we downgraded our PG because of age. You think Andre's play is going to diminish over 1 or two more years? No. Andre has been pacing his entire career so he can still play at an older age. He's the last one in the gym, he's notorious for the lob with LA. I promise everybody, LA's stats will go down as a result of this trade. 

    I hear people saying we needed a shooter. Are you guys blind? Did you see Andre literally manhandle Kidd and Baraea? He took both of them and posted up. Andre was our only consistent scorer all throughout the season and post season. To get rid of Andre is a disgusting move. What was the main factor behind getting rid of Miller? His age and his contract. We threw away a player who is in his prime. Further more, if you say you want a shooter, Felton is NOT an upgrade.

    Our draft picks were small and short. We really needed length (not C's, but length).

    Whatever, all the new posters can think this trade was amazing and rate it A's and B's but when the season starts and we increase our turnover ratio and downgrade our PG. You all will be saying how Andre should not have been traded. 

    The only hope for next season I see is, Roy slowly starting to get his confidence and touch back and Odens return. I don't see LA getting any more aggressive.

    The part that disgusts me the most is in the post season Andre was our ONLY scorer who could step up on a consistent basis when nobody else could score.

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