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  1. moralesj88
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:21 AM

    Why is it that Batum is always part of our trade talks?  I personally am getting sick of it.  Batum is always in the trade discussions for players who have potential to come here, but it just never sounds like a good deal!  Batum, Bayless, Joel, and Andre for Chris Paul?!  Is Monty just trying to take the whole team with him? Batum and so and so for Melo? Batum for Wesley Johnson? WHY?!!!

    As we all know, and I dare someone to challenge me on this, Batum has become a key cog in the Blazers roster.  He is our best defender and stops the fast break better than most in the NBA.  Not to mention the fact that he has improved his game so much since he first started as this skinny long armed bench warmer of a starter.  Now that we know his offensive potential can be deadly with his defensive force, he is too valuable to the team and if we were to give him up it would just back fire on us and our slower pace of play would also bring down Nate's defensive system. 

    As for Bayless, his development is becoming deadly.  I have a feeling that if we were to let him go, he would just unleash on us all for keeping him on the bench for his whole first year. Can you imagine how much Phoenix would love to get their hands on a speedy scoring guard like Jerryd?! Absolutely not! They are too precious to let go of and risk a team catching us without them.
    I am a fan of Batum blocking the shot from the other end of the court.
  1. LAS11291
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:33 AM

    ^^^According to the teams per48, Bayless was more productive last season that of Brandon Roy. I think if Bayless works on his court vision, learns to pass the ball, and really stays focused (like Aldridge supposedly did this summer), he could easily be our PGOTF! I like Bayless and Batum, I really do. I hope they stay focused and working hard and become the players they have the potential to be.
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  1. LAS11291
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:38 AM

    I want to see Bayless moved to the starting line-up here in a year or so, and average 16.5/4/6.5
    Along side of...
    Batum 16.5/7/4
    Aldridge 19.5/10/4
    Oden 17/13/4 <--BPG
    Roy 23/5/6
    Those are my expectations for 2011-2012.
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  1. Richard Ackerman
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    Posted 09/22/2010 4:23 AM

    The reason you keep hearing those names in trade rumors is because they're good young players with HUGE upsides. So natually other teams are going to want to poach those players off us if they can. You never hear anything from Portland's side saying they want to trade Jerryd or Nic, so that's the main thing. As long as the head honchos here realize how good Jerryd and Nic can be they're not going anywhere. Unless of course its just a ridiculous good trade in our favor, like Wade and Lebron for Jerryd and Nic. I mean you gotta do that trade :) 
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  1. truebluefan
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    Posted 09/22/2010 7:23 AM

    All summer all we have been hearing from fans on these message boards is we need to make a trade for a big name like cp3 and now the for the lack of a better term the "basketball idiots" are now posting things about trading for Melo. Well lets say for Hell of it, god for bid it should happen we trade for a player like that, do think Denver is going to trade him for Mills and a draft pick? Think about it, the reason those names come up in trade talk everytime is that most people understand a team is going to need alot in return. For the record I don't think we should trade for anyone, give this team one more year.
  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 09/22/2010 8:47 AM

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  1. Crim
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    Posted 09/22/2010 11:38 AM

    If Bayless has been working as hard on improving his court vision and becoming a pass-first Point guard, as Rice and Pendergraph were alluding to on Courtside, then we should get what we want as fans out of Bayless.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 09/22/2010 11:42 AM

    Lets stand pat and see. If what i read earlier about the Blazers not inviting Mills to training camp is true, than we are at fifteen on our roster.  Skillwise, we only have one suspect, JP.
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 09/22/2010 12:14 PM

    i think we r  piece away, if greg is healthy,  prizbilla can be a good trade to a rebuilding team if you want a vet, if you want a young player you can move rudy or pendagraph or cunningham,  but i say if you dont really need 2 trade rudy to a team that has a chance at a top 10 pick ;) clippers, gs, indi,  no, a team like that =D
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  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 09/22/2010 12:52 PM

    Bayless is one of the unloved Blazers by many fans ..

    But I love his quickness and his ability to literally get any shot he wants. With improved Court vision and more playing time, Bayless could easily develop into an Aaron Brooks type PG ..

    Batum is one of the few players I would absolutely love to see Portland extend his contract for the for see able future.

    Oden
    Aldridge
    Batum
    Roy
    Bayless

    This is the eventual line up that I personally would absolutely love to see ..

    / / /
    ( o )
    / / /
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  1. ottomatic19
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    Posted 09/22/2010 2:01 PM

    if batum got traded i would be so pissed thats my favorite player and has been for awhile i would be upset to see bayless leave but would be ok with it depending on the trade
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 09/22/2010 6:23 PM

    I am a fan of Martell.  As a fan of Web, I want what he wants and what is best for him.  He now has that which he wouldn't have had here in Portland...opportunity.  The same can be said for all Bayless fans.  His time here in Portland in likely coming to an end.  If he is moved, be happy for the opportunity he will have to play meaningful minutes and to be a rotation player for his new team.  There is the chance that Jerryd himself, has asked for a trade...especially when considering the obvious log jam in the backcourt.  Hypothetically, if that were the case, and JB has privately asked for a trade, would you still want him here, not happy and not playing?  I would like to see him develop and become successful like the rest of you.  I just don't think that will happen here.

    As for Nic?  Remembering that this IS a business, you've got to GIVE talent to GET talent.  That is why his name surfaces with trade talks.  Batum has as much value as perhaps any other Blazer around the league (Oden and Roy being the only two possible exceptions) and therefore would not come cheap.  A good asset in this business to have when attempting to build a championship team. 

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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/22/2010 6:29 PM

    Posted By Lenwen76 on 09/22/2010 12:52 PM
    Bayless is one of the unloved Blazers by many fans ..

    But I love his quickness and his ability to literally get any shot he wants. With improved Court vision and more playing time, Bayless could easily develop into an Aaron Brooks type PG ..

    Batum is one of the few players I would absolutely love to see Portland extend his contract for the for see able future.

    Oden
    Aldridge
    Batum
    Roy
    Bayless

    This is the eventual line up that I personally would absolutely love to see ..

    / / /
    ( o )
    / / /

    Motion Seconded.
    Love Jerryd, and IMO with him on the floor, starting, i feel as if they have every aspect covered.

    Bayless- Long shot, mid range, driving with Layups, AND1's
    Roy- The exact same^^ but with more efficiency inside the paint.
    Batum- Got a nice 3, shouldt use it always, but has it, DUNK$, And1's
    Aldridge- Mid Range, Post game, inside, board control
    Odem- Ripping the rim off! Inside game, board control, and if he can get a solid FT, then he could get AND1's all day.

    The thing is with miller starting, you benifit with an inside game, layups and some sweet dishes, but i just feel as if you save him and set up a bench team where he is a primary guy to go inside.
    IDK it just seems balanced this way.
    Maybe Batum could watch some tapes of Durant or heck do you one better, LeBron, so he can see how a SF can create on offense, either that or bulk up and drive down the lane and hope peope get out the way...
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 09/23/2010 8:07 AM

    everyone just relax. it's the offseason and a lot of people have nothing better to do than to try and figure out these trade scenarios. here are a couple of facts which cannot be ignored:

    Fact 1: Outlaw was traded last season and Webster was traded on draft day in order to give Nicolas 30-33 minutes per game. that is portland's plan. he will start and average those minutes.

    Fact 2: Jerryd's progression from first to second seasons is probably near what we want from him. LAS11291 made a great point about Jerryd's per/48 being better than Brandon's. a logical mind would not dismiss that when it comes to incidental trade rumors and proposals.

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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 09/23/2010 8:08 AM

    everyone just relax. it's the offseason and a lot of people have nothing better to do than to try and figure out these trade scenarios. here are a couple of facts which cannot be ignored:

    Fact 1: Outlaw was traded last season and Webster was traded on draft day in order to give Nicolas 30-33 minutes per game. that is portland's plan. he will start and average those minutes.

    Fact 2: Jerryd's progression from first to second seasons is probably near what we want from him. LAS11291 made a great point about Jerryd's per/48 being better than Brandon's. a logical mind would not dismiss that when it comes to incidental trade rumors and proposals.

    ~ Kassandra
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  1. Parker Gear
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    Posted 09/23/2010 4:09 PM

    I used to dislike the way bayless played but I'm starting to warm up when it comes to him.  He has a good work ethic, reliable jumper, and speed.  He is so quick he should require double teams on the drive, where if he becames a better passer from there he can be deadly.  For months I've been thinking of trade scenarios for a PGOTF... but right now I think Bayless is that guy.  Givin the fact he's only 22(?), he has room to grow.

    Future Linup: (2-3 years)

    PG Bayless  (8ppg, 8ast)
    SG Roy  (23 ppg, 6reb)
    SF Batum (17 ppg, 4 reb)
    PF Aldridge (16 ppg, 11 reb)
    C Oden (17 ppg, 13 reb)

    Bench:

    PG Johnson (5ppg, 6 ast)
    SG Williams (6 ppg, 3 reb)
    SF Matthews (11 ppg, 3 reb)
    PF Cunningham (7 ppg, 7 reb)
    C (Draft pick or player in Fernandez trade)
  1. FamousRoy
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    Posted 09/23/2010 5:32 PM

    Batum in the trade talks is ridiculous; as good as CP3 is, I wouldn't want to trade Batum, because we wouldn't have a single small forward if we did that (well, Dante, I guess).  Plus, Batum's 21 and incredible, and he can guard anyone.

    I'd trade Bayless in a heartbeat.
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  1. Hopman27
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    Posted 09/23/2010 5:51 PM

    When I heard we almost got Chris Paul, I was like, "Ahh man... so close."  At the same time, I was like "Thank goodness.  I love Bayless, but if he had to go for Paul, I think I'd do it.  But BATUM!?"
    Both players are young and are truly great.  I don't have any opinion on Batum and Bayless being in trade talks, because as of now, things would be rumor, and it seems like they'd be sticking around with us for quite a while.

    @Parker Gear:  I like that projection.  But I would tune up LA's ppg up by a few points, and turn down the rpg a bit.  As for Oden, just turn down the points by.... 3 points?  Well, IDK.  Both are incredible players, and can do whatever they want.  We can have Oden hitting full court shots if we need clutch.  Oden did it before, and he wasn't even trying.  Imagine what he could do if he was.... Just kidding guys.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/24/2010 2:09 PM

    Posted By Kassandra on 09/23/2010 8:08 AM

    Fact 1: Outlaw was traded last season and Webster was traded on draft day in order to give Nicolas 30-33 minutes per game. that is portland's plan. he will start and average those minutes.



    which was horrible, how are you gonna let 2 guys go to give one guy more playing time.
    Unless Batums planning on getting a double double or something like 20 points a night, youve basically lost your best 3pt shooter and a die hard asset to the team, and a decent SF in outlaw, he hast veteran ship over Batum, and if he had a  quicker step he could be throwin up dunks
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 09/24/2010 3:12 PM

    a lot of it is about money. Outlaw and Blake's salaries together made the trade for Marcus happen, and cleared up some of the logjam at the sf position.

    we basically traded Webster for Luke Babbitt, and saved $3.2 million this year off the salary cap by doing so (this year Webster will make $4.8 million, while Babbitt will make $1.6 million). $3.2 million is quite a bit in the nba when it comes to salary cap space. Webster is a very good three-point shooter, though streaky. Babbit is, according to a recent vote of his fellow rookies, the best pure shooter and three-point shooter in the draft this year. he'll likely be a better shooter from behind the arc than Webster.

    the facts are that the blazers are not asking for Nicolas to be a double-double player, nor for him to score 20 points per game. while that may be your wish, it's abundantly clear that the blazer orgainzation has other priorities regarding his game than that (i.e. defense). there's also no telling what his stats may look like this season; i happen to be projecting him at about 15 points, 7 rebounds and 2 blocks per game this season.

    we all have our wish lists and such, but we have to look at the big picture rather than just points per game and dunks. also, we need to remember that when it comes to money and paying these players, it's Paul Allen's wallet, not ours.

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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 09/24/2010 3:19 PM

    Posted By Hopman27 on 09/23/2010 5:51 PM
    When I heard we almost got Chris Paul, I was like, "Ahh man... so close."  At the same time, I was like "Thank goodness.  I love Bayless, but if he had to go for Paul, I think I'd do it.  But BATUM!?"
    Both players are young and are truly great.  I don't have any opinion on Batum and Bayless being in trade talks, because as of now, things would be rumor, and it seems like they'd be sticking around with us for quite a while.

    @Parker Gear:  I like that projection.  But I would tune up LA's ppg up by a few points, and turn down the rpg a bit.  As for Oden, just turn down the points by.... 3 points?  Well, IDK.  Both are incredible players, and can do whatever they want.  We can have Oden hitting full court shots if we need clutch.  Oden did it before, and he wasn't even trying.  Imagine what he could do if he was.... Just kidding guys.

    Yeah I really think LA might turn into a banger down low with all the added muscle and with the improving offensive game of Batum and having Oden in the lineup, he might not score as much.  With Oden, last year he was scoring about 12 ppg in 25 minutes.  If he can stay out of foul trouble and continues to improve his post play I see him being our #2 offensive threat and scoring 17ppg if not 20.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/24/2010 8:43 PM

    Posted By Kassandra on 09/24/2010 3:12 PM

    the facts are that the blazers are not asking for Nicolas to be a double-double player, nor for him to score 20 points per game. while that may be your wish, it's abundantly clear that the blazer orgainzation has other priorities regarding his game than that (i.e. defense). there's also no telling what his stats may look like this season; i happen to be projecting him at about 15 points, 7 rebounds and 2 blocks per game this season.

    we all have our wish lists and such, but we have to look at the big picture rather than just points per game and dunks. also, we need to remember that when it comes to money and paying these players, it's Paul Allen's wallet, not ours.

    ~ Kassandra

    A starter should be as defensively talented as he is offensively, other wise your just a role player, and if your gonna tell me that they got a role player as one of their starters, then i believe that the Blazers mismanaged their pocket cash because their out a starter...

    And if Batums Grabbing 7 Boards a game, then i want to know what are Aldridge and Oden doing, crocheting a blanket? i mean cmon man, Batum may be defensively talented but those are some big numbers for a guy your not asking much out of.

    Seeing as how last season he averages 10ppg, 3.8rpg, and .7 blocks
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  1. mastersolo3
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    Posted 09/25/2010 12:44 AM

    agreed portland wants him for his defensive presence, with his elevated playing time we really have no clue what numbers he'll put up. in the worlds he proved he can do it on both ends, if aldridge or roy are having an off night id look for portland to go to batum a little more often. theres a reason all trade talks involve him - teams know his potential.
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  1. mastersolo3
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    Posted 09/25/2010 12:49 AM

    Posted By Kassandra on 09/24/2010 3:12 PM
    a lot of it is about money. Outlaw and Blake's salaries together made the trade for Marcus happen, and cleared up some of the logjam at the sf position.

    we basically traded Webster for Luke Babbitt, and saved $3.2 million this year off the salary cap by doing so (this year Webster will make $4.8 million, while Babbitt will make $1.6 million). $3.2 million is quite a bit in the nba when it comes to salary cap space. Webster is a very good three-point shooter, though streaky. Babbit is, according to a recent vote of his fellow rookies, the best pure shooter and three-point shooter in the draft this year. he'll likely be a better shooter from behind the arc than Webster.

    the facts are that the blazers are not asking for Nicolas to be a double-double player, nor for him to score 20 points per game. while that may be your wish, it's abundantly clear that the blazer orgainzation has other priorities regarding his game than that (i.e. defense). there's also no telling what his stats may look like this season; i happen to be projecting him at about 15 points, 7 rebounds and 2 blocks per game this season.

    we all have our wish lists and such, but we have to look at the big picture rather than just points per game and dunks. also, we need to remember that when it comes to money and paying these players, it's Paul Allen's wallet, not ours.

    ~ Kassandra

    agreed portland wants him for his defensive presence, with his elevated playing time we really have no clue what numbers he'll put up. in the worlds he proved he can do it on both ends, if aldridge or roy are having an off night id look for portland to go to batum a little more often. theres a reason all trade talks involve him - teams know his potential.
    I am a fan of being apart of the party in portland after we win the championship!
  1. Crim
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    Posted 09/25/2010 9:59 AM

    Couldn't agree with Kassandra more, name me one small forward who can lock down defenders on the perimeter other than Batum Battier or Iguodala (he can play the 3), of those three Batum's offense has the most upside. Durant is Nowitski at the 3, silky jump shot and length, but he can't smother a defender and he tends to look like he's on skates against a good 3.
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 09/25/2010 5:12 PM

     A starter should be as defensively talented as he is offensively, other wise your just a role player, and if your gonna tell me that they got a role player as one of their starters, then i believe that the Blazers mismanaged their pocket cash because their out a starter...

    And if Batums Grabbing 7 Boards a game, then i want to know what are Aldridge and Oden doing, crocheting a blanket? i mean cmon man, Batum may be defensively talented but those are some big numbers for a guy your not asking much out of.

    Seeing as how last season he averages 10ppg, 3.8rpg, and .7 blocks

    um ... so, by your definition, a player like Carmelo Anthony is a role plaer (strong offensively, yet an inadequate defender). seriously though, the problem with your definition is that it does not match that of those in the front office. see, the bottom line is, it doesn't matter what you think. the blazers are building a team and Nicolas is a part of that puzzle. remember here, you are the one who is referring to him as a role player. i would refer to him as a piece of the puzzle which fits the team and coach's style of play extremely well.

    all you care about is doing anything it takes to get a superstar on the roster. superstars don't win games, teams win games and defense wins games. anyone with a single nugget of basketball knowledge knows that (which obviously explains why you do not).

    when did i say i wasn't asking certain numbers from someone? oh, that's right, i didn't; you couldn't try to make you're point without putting swords in my mouth. sorry kiddo, didn't work. amazinglhy, the stats you gave for him for last year were actually accurate. of course, what you failed to mention is that he only averaged 24.8 minutes a game. when you count the expanded minutes he will be playing with his past improvement rate, along with the fact that he is healthy going into the season, it's not hard to logically project that the 15/7/2 are realistic. if our starting center (Marcus or Greg) gets 11 boards and LaMarcus gets his 8 (what he got last year), that puts the rebound tally for the starting front line at 26. that's not unreasonable in the least.

    to mastersolo3 and Crim: thank you for understanding my point about Nicolas' defensive impact and offensive upside. there's no need to dangle that as trade bait just for the sake of making a trade.

    ~ Kassandra
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/25/2010 5:28 PM

    Posted By Kassandra on 09/25/2010 5:12 PM
     A starter should be as defensively talented as he is offensively, other wise your just a role player, and if your gonna tell me that they got a role player as one of their starters, then i believe that the Blazers mismanaged their pocket cash because their out a starter...

    And if Batums Grabbing 7 Boards a game, then i want to know what are Aldridge and Oden doing, crocheting a blanket? i mean cmon man, Batum may be defensively talented but those are some big numbers for a guy your not asking much out of.

    Seeing as how last season he averages 10ppg, 3.8rpg, and .7 blocks

    um ... so, by your definition, a player like Carmelo Anthony is a role plaer (strong offensively, yet an inadequate defender). seriously though, the problem with your definition is that it does not match that of those in the front office. see, the bottom line is, it doesn't matter what you think. the blazers are building a team and Nicolas is a part of that puzzle. remember here, you are the one who is referring to him as a role player. i would refer to him as a piece of the puzzle which fits the team and coach's style of play extremely well.

    all you care about is doing anything it takes to get a superstar on the roster. superstars don't win games, teams win games and defense wins games. anyone with a single nugget of basketball knowledge knows that (which obviously explains why you do not).

    when did i say i wasn't asking certain numbers from someone? oh, that's right, i didn't; you couldn't try to make you're point without putting swords in my mouth. sorry kiddo, didn't work. amazinglhy, the stats you gave for him for last year were actually accurate. of course, what you failed to mention is that he only averaged 24.8 minutes a game. when you count the expanded minutes he will be playing with his past improvement rate, along with the fact that he is healthy going into the season, it's not hard to logically project that the 15/7/2 are realistic. if our starting center (Marcus or Greg) gets 11 boards and LaMarcus gets his 8 (what he got last year), that puts the rebound tally for the starting front line at 26. that's not unreasonable in the least.

    to mastersolo3 and Crim: thank you for understanding my point about Nicolas' defensive impact and offensive upside. there's no need to dangle that as trade bait just for the sake of making a trade.

    ~ Kassandra

    Whoa...whoa...chill out.
    I dont just care about superstars, and like dont try to tell me how games are won. 
    And then you gotta go out and insult me like that, oh, ouch man, your fierce.

     and like if you want to play the"what i said game"(sigh) I actually never said that about Carmelo anthony, your assuming i agree with the lot of you that he's not skilled defensivly, i dont think that. ive actually stated several times that melo would not work out in portalnd, so really i dont think your information on what i want, is correct, but good luck with that....

    And like if you can predict the numbers someone is going to get this year, i mean wow, like can you tell me who's gonna make the playoffs too?
    You cant push a point, when it hasnt happend yet, it just never works out that well.You cant be sure how many minutes batums going to get, you dont know what he's going to average, i m going by what HAS actually happened, and that is what he has averaged and i just dont see the ¿SWORDS?, oh wait, Numbers that you predict.

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  1. Crim
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    Posted 09/25/2010 6:14 PM

    There is only one player I would rather have at the starting small forward over Batum, and that's Iguodola, that guy was so impressive this summer, imagine if he were on a good team where he didn't have to be the number one option.

    @Kassandra   np, I am becoming a fan of your opinions.
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 09/25/2010 9:50 PM

    Whoa...whoa...chill out.
    I dont just care about superstars, and like dont try to tell me how games are won. 
    And then you gotta go out and insult me like that, oh, ouch man, your fierce.

     and like if you want to play the"what i said game"(sigh) I actually never said that about Carmelo anthony, your assuming i agree with the lot of you that he's not skilled defensivly, i dont think that. ive actually stated several times that melo would not work out in portalnd, so really i dont think your information on what i want, is correct, but good luck with that....

    And like if you can predict the numbers someone is going to get this year, i mean wow, like can you tell me who's gonna make the playoffs too?
    You cant push a point, when it hasnt happend yet, it just never works out that well.You cant be sure how many minutes batums going to get, you dont know what he's going to average, i m going by what HAS actually happened, and that is what he has averaged and i just dont see the ¿SWORDS?, oh wait, Numbers that you predict.

    chill out? that's all you've got? if you're going to have a discussion with me, you should be prepared for the fact that i will say what i deem appropriate, and if that means i have to tell you how games are won, i will do so. that's simply how i was brought up.

    before stating all that rubbish about Anthony (i know what you said in the other thread, and i actually appreciated the comments you made toward me there), you should have re-read my post. my mention of Anthony was an example of a role player (by your own definition), not a retort to something you had said. read it again and maybe you'll see what i mean. i assume nothing about you; as i said, it doesn't matter what you think. ultimately the only opinions that matter are those of the blazer front office. if you think Anthony is an adequate defender, fine. however, i, and the majority of those on the other thread disagree with you.

    predictions can be made as to just about anything. i threw out Nicolas' numbers based on his level of improvement from his first to second years, his increased amount of minutes (according to the blazers front office and coach Nate), and the fact that he is completely healthy. could i be wrong about those? sure, and i'll be the first to admit if i am. however, that what makes sense according to the criteria. i'm not the first person who makes predictions such as these regarding the team and it's players, and i certainly won't be the last.

    you are free to make your own predictions if you like.

    ~ Kassandra
    I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.
  1. moralesj88
    moralesj88
    Posts: 31

    Posted 09/26/2010 2:29 AM

    Dang, Look what I started here.  Leave a thread alone after posting it for a few days and BOOM! lol

    The fact of the whole Nicolas Batum situation is that like Kassandra said, he's our puzzle piece.  He is our best answer at SF unless Babbitt becomes straight godly as a SF.  He is our best defender and gets better every game, his offense is amazing now that he is trusted more with the ball in his hands and since Webster and Outlaw aren't around anymore, his minutes will go up as well.  With his minutes going up, his numbers should go up.  If Oden isn't able to stay healthy and actually pitch in for us, our big 3 is Roy, LA, and Batum.  If Oden comes back and dominates like he was last season, we have a big 4.  Either way, he isn't going anywhere.  

    Kassandra, last I checked, predictions, expectations, and thoughts are all highly encouraged on message boards.  Its what makes this game so exciting.  We never know how its gonna turn out and being so emotionally invested in this team and this game is what makes it so rewarding for us die hards.
    I am a fan of Batum blocking the shot from the other end of the court.
  1. TayC
    TayC
    Posts: 1804

    Posted 09/26/2010 3:16 PM

    Posted By Kassandra on 09/25/2010 9:50 PM
    Whoa...whoa...chill out.
    I dont just care about superstars, and like dont try to tell me how games are won. 
    And then you gotta go out and insult me like that, oh, ouch man, your fierce.

     and like if you want to play the"what i said game"(sigh) I actually never said that about Carmelo anthony, your assuming i agree with the lot of you that he's not skilled defensivly, i dont think that. ive actually stated several times that melo would not work out in portalnd, so really i dont think your information on what i want, is correct, but good luck with that....

    And like if you can predict the numbers someone is going to get this year, i mean wow, like can you tell me who's gonna make the playoffs too?
    You cant push a point, when it hasnt happend yet, it just never works out that well.You cant be sure how many minutes batums going to get, you dont know what he's going to average, i m going by what HAS actually happened, and that is what he has averaged and i just dont see the ¿SWORDS?, oh wait, Numbers that you predict.

    chill out? that's all you've got? if you're going to have a discussion with me, you should be prepared for the fact that i will say what i deem appropriate, and if that means i have to tell you how games are won, i will do so. that's simply how i was brought up.

    before stating all that rubbish about Anthony (i know what you said in the other thread, and i actually appreciated the comments you made toward me there), you should have re-read my post. my mention of Anthony was an example of a role player (by your own definition), not a retort to something you had said. read it again and maybe you'll see what i mean. i assume nothing about you; as i said, it doesn't matter what you think. ultimately the only opinions that matter are those of the blazer front office. if you think Anthony is an adequate defender, fine. however, i, and the majority of those on the other thread disagree with you.

    predictions can be made as to just about anything. i threw out Nicolas' numbers based on his level of improvement from his first to second years, his increased amount of minutes (according to the blazers front office and coach Nate), and the fact that he is completely healthy. could i be wrong about those? sure, and i'll be the first to admit if i am. however, that what makes sense according to the criteria. i'm not the first person who makes predictions such as these regarding the team and it's players, and i certainly won't be the last.

    you are free to make your own predictions if you like.

    ~ Kassandra
    as far as the way you were brought up i wont get into that.
    but im just saying, when your trying to back up a point with stats or facts that have not happened, or have not been put into play, its just hard for the other person to see your point as clear as the blue sky your seeing.

    You know like i could try to make a push of anthony being an amazing defensive player, but i dont have the facts to show that, so i dont have anything to back it up.
    and your doing the same, your telling me how someone is going to perform, based on all of the friviltes that have yet to come their way.
    just think about that for a second.
    i am trying to counter what your saying by sating what has actually happened, and the way its most likley going to unroll.
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. Kassandra
    Kassandra
    Posts: 466

    Posted 09/26/2010 8:19 PM

     as far as the way you were brought up i wont get into that.
    but im just saying, when your trying to back up a point with stats or facts that have not happened, or have not been put into play, its just hard for the other person to see your point as clear as the blue sky your seeing.

    You know like i could try to make a push of anthony being an amazing defensive player, but i dont have the facts to show that, so i dont have anything to back it up.
    and your doing the same, your telling me how someone is going to perform, based on all of the friviltes that have yet to come their way.
    just think about that for a second.
    i am trying to counter what your saying by sating what has actually happened, and the way its most likley going to unroll.

    simply put, i was brought up to speak my mind and stand up for that which i believe. it doesn't matter what you think about that, as i respect my parents a great deal more than i will ever respect you, if at all.

    of all the people i've talked to in the blazer nation, you are the first who claims to not have predictions or projections as to what each player might do this season. nearly everyone from the owner to the casual fan does this. if you don't, then you would seem to be in an extreme minority. in fact, most people in this very site seem to agree that his points will be in the 15 range per game.

    i also find it very ironic that you want to criticize me for stating i think he will post those stats this year. see the thing is, i've stated my criteria for this. the ironic part is that you've not stated one reasonable nor credible point as to why he won't post those numbers. fine, you don't want to make predictions, fine, but i'll tell you right now that the people in the front office are doing just that. we already know that espn has put together it's analysis of portland players to rank the blazers as a team. and don't even get me started on the predictions which are made on each player for the sake of a fantasy basketball game (or any other sport as it applies).

    as a matter of fact, i'm not 'telling' you how any player is going to perform. i am simply telling you what i think Nicolas will do (btw, i've never heard of the word 'friviltes;' what does it mean?). if you disagree, i don't really care. however, if you provide no solid factual criteria for your disagreement -- which you have not -- then you will not change my mind. the truth is, i've read a lot and studied a lot about the blazers this summer. i believe my position to be credible and you likely won't change my mind to begin with.

    i don't really care how or why you're trying to counter what i'm saying. the truth is, i don't really care what you think. but as morealesj88 -- who started this thread -- stated,  "predictions, expectations, and thoughts are all highly encouraged on message boards." that's what i have done here. all you have done is attempt to criticize that, and for no apparent valid reason.

    if you choose to discuss this any further, please try something new and actually bring some facts to the table. it would be a nice change.

    ~ Kassandra
    I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.
  1. commontongue
    commontongue
    Posts: 1864

    Posted 09/26/2010 10:31 PM

    I guess we're all in agreement that the season couldnt begin fast enough. Love the passion you two. Go Blazers!!!!
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. blazersforlife234
    blazersforlife234
    Posts: 347

    Posted 09/26/2010 11:44 PM

    CALM DOWN EVERYONE WE ALL ROOT FOR THE SAME TEAM GO BLAZERS! haha
    I am a fan of winning.
  1. Blazingdownunder
    Blazingdownunder
    Posts: 42

    Posted 09/27/2010 4:11 AM

    I thought this was so appropriate i couldnt help myself... Although i do agree that Nic and Bayless are yet to show their best

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

    :)
    I am a fan of seeing an uptempo Blazers squad!
  1. Kassandra
    Kassandra
    Posts: 466

    Posted 09/27/2010 9:03 AM

     commontongue
    Posts: 133

    Posted 09/26/2010 10:31 PM

    I guess we're all in agreement that the season couldnt begin fast enough. Love the passion you two. Go Blazers!!!!

    well, i think it's obvious that we're all in anticipation of the season to start! though, there will never be any passion whatsoever between me and Tay ... eww! lol

    ~ Kassandra
    I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.
  1. DJT
    DJT
    Posts: 5

    Posted 09/27/2010 11:39 AM

    im glad i read and than re-read all of those comments.
    I am a fan of martell leaving.
  1. TayC
    TayC
    Posts: 1804

    Posted 09/27/2010 5:09 PM

    yeah i dont understand why your so defensive, like your trying to prove something, other than your point, idk if its the fact that your a girl and idk maybe you feel like you have something to prove, or perhaps everyone in your family just speaks to eachother in that tone, very rude, to say the least.
    so really girl i dont think i want to continue on this topic with you, you cant take criticism apparently and you for damn sure cant respect another persons opinion, your use of words of unexplainable dramatics and intensity is so unnecessary.  i could sit and type a response but its not worth my time, but thanks anyway.
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. I''m OUT!
    I''m OUT!
    Posts: 1059

    Posted 09/27/2010 5:17 PM

    Basically I learned the hard way dealing with Tayc. He misunderstands everything you say to him, has poor reading comprehension, he will assume something you never said, or as in my case he will assume you said something and go off on that when in fact it was someone else who actually said it, then when you point it out to him he will disappear and never acknowledge he was wrong or apologize. On top of that he has a very low basketball iq and talks as if he only knows the games from playing NBA Live and 2k and doesn't understand real world practical issues. Which is why he can't extrapolate from past data and apply it to future variables in minutes and production and such to realize what someone can theoretically achieve given an opportunity. But he sure knows his stuff when it comes to all the guys that are good at dunking on people and getting and1's in 2k10.

    And yes, please leave Batum alone!!! (no I'm not Chris Crocker)
    Bayless on the other hand... he is an undersized two guard imo, not really a true pg, and I think he would fit in and do a lot of damage, just not in Nate's system. We need a pg who can distibute the ball to Oden, LMA and Roy and even Batum. For now, Dre does that real nice. Hope Armon develops quickly as the backup though and Nate gives him the chance to develop faster than his usual rookie treatment.
    I am a fan of comcast and the blazers making deals that keep screwing us over!! woot!
  1. ottomatic19
    ottomatic19
    Posts: 11

    Posted 09/27/2010 6:36 PM

    i have to say kassandra knows what shes talking about tayc ive read a lot of your post and your a big downer and are really negative to everything the blazers have done
  1. Kassandra
    Kassandra
    Posts: 466

    Posted 09/27/2010 8:23 PM

     yeah i dont understand why your so defensive, like your trying to prove something, other than your point, idk if its the fact that your a girl and idk maybe you feel like you have something to prove, or perhaps everyone in your family just speaks to eachother in that tone, very rude, to say the least.
    so really girl i dont think i want to continue on this topic with you, you cant take criticism apparently and you for damn sure cant respect another persons opinion, your use of words of unexplainable dramatics and intensity is so unnecessary.  i could sit and type a response but its not worth my time, but thanks anyway.

    seriously? you're going to attack my family just because you can't bring any facts to the conversation? is that what you're going to resort to? you so totally could not be any more incorrect about any of your blind, erroneous assumptions. telling someone you don't know about how their family acts (dead wrong on that, by the way), is the true rude statement of all. but of course, your statement doesn't matter because, as usual, you have no facts to back it up.

    it's abundantly clear that, as TomL stated, you have a very low basketball iq, though you compensate for it with personal attacks. you think i'm trying to prove myself because i'm a girl? why would i need to do that? it appears, in fact, that you have a problem with a girl knowing more than you about the game of basketball and the blazers. that amounts to simple sexism. i wasn't sure until your most recent post, but then it's like you screamed it out.

    it's fine to play devil's advocate. however, as i've said, you haven't brought any facts to back up your opinion. do i respect other's opinions? as a matter of fact, i do, as long as the person is credible. the simple fact of the matter is that you are not. that is why i don't care about your opinion. words without facts are a waste of my time.

    i'm not buying into your rhetoric and i'd appreciate it if you keep your sexist attitude to yourself.

    ~ Kassandra

    ps: you never did tell me what the word  'friviltes' was supposed to mean. i guess you did't have a factual definition to back that up.
    I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.
  1. Kassandra
    Kassandra
    Posts: 466

    Posted 09/27/2010 8:35 PM

    @TomL: so true. i seem to remember another thread where you, tay and i had differing opinions. you and i were able to respect each other's opinion after a couple of posts. tay, much like he has done here, kept going on with no practical knowledge of the blazers or the game of basketball. it's truly sad to see a pattern such as this.

    @ottomatic19: thanks. a lot of us have noticed his pattern of negativity. he neglets to use facts to back up his statements. when he is clearly proven wrong, he attempts the old trick of trying to turn things around on the other person. unfortunately for him, that never works on me.

    ~ Kassandra
    I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.
  1. I''m OUT!
    I''m OUT!
    Posts: 1059

    Posted 09/28/2010 1:21 AM

    Well Kassandra now that we know you were poorly raised and we know "the fact that you are a girl" trying to prove yourself in a mans message board world, we can now move on and rectify these issues!! ha ha

    Someone asked me why I was so mean to Tayc... I think they have not read his posts. He is frustrating to talk with because he pulls random useless things out of thin air to argue his point... like your upbringing.
    Also he is making predictions whether he likes it or not. He is predicting your pedictions are wrong. He is also predicting that Batum as well as the rest of the NBA are going to do the same thing this year as last year, and every year from now on in the rest of the history of the NBA is just going to be a repeat of last year, over and over, because that is what actually happened.
    I am a fan of comcast and the blazers making deals that keep screwing us over!! woot!
  1. TayC
    TayC
    Posts: 1804

    Posted 09/28/2010 4:21 PM

    wow its frestraating to talk to me?
    How about trying to say the same thing in several different forms and still not be clear.
    First off, Lady, you started to talk about your Family in the first place, stating that you speak to family members with the same agressive and rude talk that you talk on here.
    I didnt Attack your family, okay, so please try and be a little more mello dramatic.

    Second i never said there was anything wrong with making predictions, jesus tom your so great at twisting words, i never said that i dont make them either. Got Lady up there telling me she respects people's opinion when theyre credible, pshhh, the whole reason this blew up was because of the fact that i called you out on why you though mello wouldnt work here because of batums future expected numbers, which is somehow crredible? What you say is going to happen is more vaild than what someone else knows or has seen?

    Third, Lady, i never attacked you with a sexist approach, i merely stated that your "Rhetoric" was very interesting, and very fierce, so i though that perhaps it could be because your a girl and maybe you feel you have to prove something. NOT once did i say that this was the case, not once did i say this was true, how am i supposed to know, right? isnt that your favorite thing to say to people? or is it," It doesnt really matter what you think." yeah because thats a great way to talk to people.

    Like you say i attack people, but a second later you come out with that, "doesnt matter what you think"
    HA.
    Whatever dude, i never attacked, and if you feel as if i did, then im sorry, but get real, like i really dont get off on that kind of thing, and i have better things to do than insult girls, so maybe think about that.

    Hoow is saying i know nothing about basketball not an attack, like hell tom, your like the campaign manager on that one, like dude i saw the flyers and everything. So like maybe i really dont know anything about basketball, but at least i dont think that i am some pius sports analyst from the heavans, who thinks that he can tell people that "They know nothing about basketball" or how "It doesnt really matter what they think"

    Like really who are you to say that?
    How can you even presume to think you know even a minute detail of what i know?
    The first time i ever posted something on here i said to kenny c, "shows what you know about basketball"
    And he told me to leave the personal attacks out of it, and i have done my best to do that, i have never felt as if i have attack another individual since then, unless they were trying to take shots on me.

    Like if you really want me to attack people, oh tell the mods not to edit and ill tell you whats really sad.
    But i wont, because you guys are apparently much better at doing that. so whatevvvvvssss
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. I''m OUT!
    I''m OUT!
    Posts: 1059

    Posted 09/28/2010 7:05 PM

    Posted By TayC on 09/28/2010 4:21 PM
    wow its frestraating to talk to me?
    How about trying to say the same thing in several different forms and still not be clear.
    First off, Lady, you started to talk about your Family in the first place, stating that you speak to family members with the same agressive and rude talk that you talk on here.
    I didnt Attack your family, okay, so please try and be a little more mello dramatic.

    Second i never said there was anything wrong with making predictions, jesus tom your so great at twisting words, i never said that i dont make them either. Got Lady up there telling me she respects people's opinion when theyre credible, pshhh, the whole reason this blew up was because of the fact that i called you out on why you though mello wouldnt work here because of batums future expected numbers, which is somehow crredible? What you say is going to happen is more vaild than what someone else knows or has seen?

    ha ha you want her to be MORE melodramatic?

    And like actually you DID say you like had a problem with predictions, just like not in those exact words, and then like maybe it was only Kassandra's predictions. But like you did say
    "And like if you can predict the numbers someone is going to get this year, i mean wow, like can you tell me who's gonna make the playoffs too?"
    Yeah that definitely sounds like you don't have a problem with predictions.

    And like I'm sorry, I like didn't attack you on like purpose, it like just comes out because you like always like to call me out on stuff that I like never said and like I see you doing it to others. Then you like change what you say and like mean all the time and then say I twisted it.
    And saying how are you to know her "fierce" "rhetoric" is because she is a girl... is exactly right! Like how are you to like know? You don't know but like you brought that up anyway.

    Anyway, I think what your problem is is you are not reading the whole posts before responding. I think you are skimming everyone's posts and then mixing it up and erroneously applying the wrong comments to the wrong people. I think you need to either slow down or quit trying to call people out all the time.
    I am a fan of comcast and the blazers making deals that keep screwing us over!! woot!
  1. Kassandra
    Kassandra
    Posts: 466

    Posted 09/28/2010 9:05 PM

    "if you're going to have a discussion with me, you should be prepared for the fact that i will say what i deem appropriate, and if that means i have to tell you how games are won, i will do so. that's simply how i was brought up."

    "simply put, i was brought up to speak my mind and stand up for that which i believe. it doesn't matter what you think about that, as i respect my parents a great deal more than i will ever respect you, if at all."

    this is exactly what I said about my upbringing, word for word. where is the mention or even insinuation of rudeness or fierceness? where is the even remote idea that i don't do that in a respectful manner? where is the mention of any of my family communicating with one another in that way? obviously, it's no where to be found. that's because, once again, you've relied on pure false assumption and blind erroneous conjecture, rather than fact. the manner in which your false assumption accuses my family of conversing could not be further from the truth. trust me, that would never fly with two career military parents. not in the least. as you can plainly see, i said i was brought up to stand up for myself when required and adhere to my beliefs. only you, In a desperate attempt to attack me, would assume otherwise.

    Tom already mentioned the problem with your assertion that you have no problem with predictions. you did, in fact, state exactly that (you should go and review it if you don't believe him). of course, you totally got it wrong when you claimed that Anthony wouldn't work here because of Nicolas (again, you should go back and review it if you don't believe it). i think you're confusing one thread for another there. as for my opinion being more credible than anyone else's ... well, frankly, i don't think that in the least. that being said, i have listed my criteria and reasoning behind it. you have listed no such information to make you credible. time and time again, i have called on you to do so, yet you have glossed over that. i can only conclude that you have no facts to back up your statements and that's why you don't list them (i predict here that you will once again, favor an assumptive attack rather than state your reasoning). that makes you non-credible. so yes, i do think a credible person's opinion is more valid than that of a non-credible person.

    so, there you go denying that you acted in a sexist manner, then you turn around and refer to me as "lady" and "that lady above.' that certainly comes off as sexist. your denials mean nothing when you just continue to do act the same way.

    my statements are based in fact. i've seen a lot of your comments on a lot of threads, and there are patterns there. for one, you attack people in the hopes of starting a confrontation (please don't deny the obvious). when i say you have a low basketball iq it's because you have proven that to be the case time and time again with your statements. others who comment seem to agree (not just Tom). in fact, not one person on this thread has agreed with you. and what's with using rhetoric? can't come up with an original word of your own? well, at least we can say you learned something from me in all this. anyway, i am a person who can interpret nonsense and tell you that the person attempting to spread it is misinformed or unwilling to back up with they say with fact.  that fits you perfectly. if you don't believe me, then you should review your statements and try to come up with one factual, valid point you have made.

    obviously, telling people i care not what they think is not my favorite line. moreover, i think you'd have to agree that i say something like 'show me the facts' much, much more often. really, that one was extremely ridiculous.

    you want to go believing you don't attack people? if so, then you should stop 'calling (people) out.' that is a direct attack on them; no ifs, ands or buts about it. you really are the epitome of an oxymoron. you come off as someone who thinks everything he says is correct, just because you say it. however, in the real world, that just plain doesn't work. facts, truth and credibility are what proves a person to be correct, not their own opinion as to their self-importance.

    finally, you want to accuse me of being fierce, then you say: "Like if you really want me to attack people, oh tell the mods not to edit and ill tell you whats really sad." that is obviously the most fierce thing that has been said in all of this. you should really consider your words because i can't tell which you understand less ... what others write, or what you write.

    so, i keep asking you to put up some facts to back up what you say. can you do that? or are you going to continue with your sexist attacks. perhaps you could begin your next response with an answer to that.

    ~ Kassandra

    ps: for a third time, just what does 'friviltes' mean? and for that matter, what does 'frestraating' mean?

    I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.
  1. TayC
    TayC
    Posts: 1804

    Posted 09/29/2010 5:50 PM

    wow im nott even going to read those
    im glad you like spending so much time thinking about me though.
    thats very sweet, thank you.
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. I''m OUT!
    I''m OUT!
    Posts: 1059

    Posted 09/29/2010 6:26 PM

    Posted By TayC on 09/29/2010 5:50 PM
    wow im nott even going to read those
    im glad you like spending so much time thinking about me though.
    thats very sweet, thank you.

    Because you obviously can't read it in the first place!
    I am a fan of comcast and the blazers making deals that keep screwing us over!! woot!
  1. FamousRoy
    FamousRoy
    Posts: 144

    Posted 09/29/2010 7:05 PM

    TayC sure has a lot of time on his hands.
    I am a fan of Defending the Rose Garden against the Lakers!
  1. Kassandra
    Kassandra
    Posts: 466

    Posted 09/29/2010 7:33 PM

     Posted 09/29/2010 6:26 PM
    Posted By TayC on 09/29/2010 5:50 PM
    wow im nott even going to read those
    im glad you like spending so much time thinking about me though.
    thats very sweet, thank you.

    Because you obviously can't read it in the first place!

    you know the funniest thing ... he went and read every single word! mind you, i'm not saying he understood any of it, but you know he read it all! lmao!


     Posted 09/29/2010 7:05 PM TayC sure has a lot of time on his hands.

    the funny thing is, FamousRoy, i'm shocked he took time away from his little video games!

    ~ Kassandra

    I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.
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    The Blazers were winning!  That is the key word, were.  Blazers are living proof that you can live and die by the jumper.  Lately it has been dying.

     

    Thank God they are 19 games over 500.  Mayb...

  7. Spencer hawes

    Started by jamsmashers on 02/13/14 at 1:03 PM

    Hawes will be a hot commodity by the trade deadline, I would think the sixers could find a better offer.

    However, I do believe Mo Williams could have somewhat of  a high trade value. Olshey needs to make a deal to get a big man while we...

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