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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/16/2012 8:55 AM

    Starters- note this lineup is pure speculation right now
    PG Damian Lillard- as the number 6 pick in the draft a lot will be expected of Lillard in his rookie year. He showed the world in summer league that he has serious talent and can score from anywhere on the court. He even showed a nice willingness to pass, considering it was summer league. Defense will be his biggest issue early on in his career and if he can get that figured out Portland will finally have a solid PG to build around. Keep 
    SG Wesley Matthews- I love Wesley's toughness and mini iron man persona but his play has been very inconsistent since we signed him. He is a solid defender, likely the best one on the team and a capable three point shooter. Wesley has serious ball control issues when driving to the hoop and that has to improve for him to improve. He would be a very good role player on a title contender but he is our starter and getting big minutes while making significant money. If we want to win a title it has to be Trade.
    SF Nicolas Batum- All the skills in the world but inconsistent effort and questionable heart. I would love to see him become the next Scottie Pippen but he seems content to be in the middle echelon of NBA small forwards. Maybe 11 million dollars will motivate the Blazers most polarizing player if not expect another season of 14 points and 4 rebounds and a lot of wasted potential. Keep due to lack of viable replacements
    PF Lamarcus Aldridge- he is our best player and the face of the franchise. He is not the vocal leader the team needs and could be a better defender and rebounder, but what he does provide far out weighs what he does not. Keep if the Dwight Howard deal is any indication of the trade value of a franchise big man then trading him is not an option. 
    C JJ Hickson- He will be playing slightly out of position in the pivot this year but right now he is our best option to start at center. JJ is a work horse and proved he can be an exciting player but he has not done is consistently. It will be an interesting year for the free agent to be. Trade at 4 million JJ is a bargain but he won't make that next year and since he is naturally a 4 LA wins out. 
    PG Nolan Smith- last year he was terrible shooting under 40% and playing suspect defense. He looked much improved during summer league but that was only in a game and a half. He will get significant minutes this year but what kind of player will we be getting? Regardless Trade we need a legit back up PG not a combo guard with a suspect shooting stroke. 
    PG Ronnie Price- he is a nice tough defender but offers little more than that. You got to like his effort and heart but he is lacking in talent and would not make a 12 man title contenders roster. Trade
    SG Elliot Williams- hyper athletic and injury prone if he could stay healthy for a full year he could become a valuable asset to this franchise otherwise he is just wasted roster space. He is still on a rookie contract so Keep and hope he stays healthy.
    SG Will Barton- super skinny but skilled he can play SG or SF if needed but he has a lot of work to do to get better good thing he is just a rookie. Keep too early to tell but future looks good
    SF Luke Babbitt- defensive enigma and three point specialist. Luke is a likable guy but his game is not. Three point specialists are good on championship caliber teams not on lottery teams trying to become contenders. Trade
    SF Victor Claver- at 6-10 he has the size to make an impact in the NBA, I am just not sure he has the game to do it. He did not exactly light it up from three point land playing in Europe with a moved in line but he is cheap and he has yet to play a single NBA game. Keep for now
    SF Sasha Pavlovic- he is a decent NBA backup can defend and score some but really does not nothing above average. He is probably a third string player on a title contender. He has no long term value for this team so Trade. 
    PF Joel Freeland- this will be his first NBA season so that should get him a buy but he has plenty of seasoning and a high lottery picks contract so he will be expected to contribute right away. I loved what I saw in the Olympics against legit NBA talent if he plays like that we have an affordable backup big man for the next three years. Keep
    C Meyers Leonard- at a legit 7' Leonard has the size to be a force in the NBA. I love his attitude and he has a good work ethic so he should develop. Can he become our franchise center? That remains to be seen but he is a rookie and we have some time to let him improve. Keep
    C Jared Jeffries- he is a solid veteran and a good tough defender but he gives you little on the offensive side of the ball. Could very much play the role of Joel Anthony on a title contender but since we are a long ways from there he does not offer much long term value. Keep short term for defense and mentoring Trade long term

    This team still has a long ways to go before they can contend. Right now Lamarcus is the only veteran player on this team who is long term keeper without questions. Batum has the talent to join him on the list but his effort and consistency remain major question marks. Lillard, Williams, Leonard and Freeland all look to be solid long term options but three of them are rookies and their futures are uncertain and Williams has yet to stay healthy enough to earn significant playing time. 

    Things look promising now but it could very well end up that we only have one legitimate keeper out of the whole team. Agree or Disagree let me know

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/16/2012 10:12 AM

    Cmeese47

    Matthews

    He is a solid defender, likely the best one on the team and a capable three point shooter. Wesley has serious ball control issues when driving to the hoop and that has to improve for him to improve. He would be a very good role player on a title contender but he is our starter and getting big minutes while making significant money. If we want to win a title it has to be Trade.

    I disagree about Matthews; besides JJ he has more Heart and toughness than anyone on the team.  He is a great defender as you indicated, this guy is committed to his craft, and why else would a fourth year be playing in the Summer League.  JJ and Wesley can inspire other players to play with that level (jury is still out on Batum).  If we want toughness and aggression keep him and if the Blazers can find someone else that is better than he comes off the bench. He has accepted whatever role the Blazers give him.  KEEP HIM

    With JJ evaluate his talent to the trade deadline, if he is playing good keep him and etend his contract to 2 years at $10M while our centers are developing.  I think you will see Myers Leonard starting sooner than most people think.  Then JJ can come off the bench behind LA and also be a defensive role player.

    Also, I am still a Babbitt believer, let him continue to develop behind our $45m man who else do we have that can do it?  Putting him in the D League is a joke; if you are going to do that, release him.

     

     

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/16/2012 2:07 PM

    I like Matthews but for 7 million a season he makes too much money to be a role player. He is a nice fit for our team right now but long term I just think there will be better options available. 
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/16/2012 3:00 PM

    Nice read. I agree with most of what you said. I like Wesely Matthews but he is our most trade-able and biggest asset. I also agree with trading Nolan. I was never a fan of him. Dont really like combo guards,  wish we would have a better back up PG. But lets see how he does this season and think about it near the deadline.

    I do think we need more depth on this team. We have a very solid starting line up. But we need a better back up PG, SF, and C. Wesely Matthews and JJ Hickson or Freeland are our biggest assets to help us there. There are still some decent wingmen in FA. For PG I would look at 

    Center we need to look at Zaza, Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, Jeome Jordan

    Still believe we should pursue Pietrus. Tony Allen would be a nice pick ino. Maybe Wesely for him and Haddadi. Maybe give JJ/Freeland and have a nice duo of Allen and Matthews

    If we can get Tony Allen and ZAZA or Pietrus and Hawes or any combination of a guard/wing and a center would improve our bench.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/16/2012 3:06 PM

    I like Tony Allen but not really in the mood to be trading for impending free agents. Would hate to give up assets for a loaner.
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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 08/16/2012 10:07 PM

    I agree with you C. I think we need to trade for high draft picks more then any mediocrity of a player trade.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/17/2012 6:25 AM

    Aldridge will be dealt.  Keep short term/trade long term.  Moving LA will be a matter of when, not if.
     
    Outside of Aldridge, I agree with most everything else in your opener.

    When you're not getting rebs from the 4, you're having to get them from the 5 or 3...or "by committee", or you're dropping games at an unacceptable rate.  This is why noone missed GO like LA does.  Asking Leonard or Freeland to get you double figures consistently isn't reasonable.  Asking Batum PaidALotta to get you more than 5 or 6 a game is equally unreasonable.  No glass, no champaigne.  Simple as that.  This isn't a complicated game.  JJ Hickson at the 4.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/17/2012 9:46 AM

    I like Hickson and I hope he continues to get better if he turns out to be a similar player to Z-Bo then I would be all for moving LA to fill other roster spots. 

    If we do trade LA it needs to be soon before players like Cousins, are too expensive to acquire. 
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/17/2012 2:40 PM

    Hickson is a totally different player from Z-BO. Hickson is all athleticism while Z-BO had none. If Hickson can develop the kind of basketball IQ that Randolph has he would be an all NBA type player. I dont think that LA is going anywhere, and he averages 9 boards a game that's not bad. I think we will be alright on the boards. We don't have the great rebounders we had last year in Camby and Wallace, but we have LA, JJ, Meyers, and New Joel (I think that's what I'll call him) who are all at least average. Then we have solid rebounding guards in Lillard, Matthews and Barton. We aren't going to dominate like we have been in years past, but I don't see us struggling all that bad.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/17/2012 3:18 PM

    I meant specifically I want him to be able to dominate the post and put up 18-10 every game. If we got that kind of consistent production out of him LA could be expendable. Which would bring up back significant assets. 
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/17/2012 4:16 PM

    This is exactly what I was thinking. I love LA but i was thinking if JJ can put up 16-18 points 8-10 rebounds then it might be the best move to trade Lamarcus for Cousins or Rondo or even Rudy Gay. I hope we can lock Hickson up long term. He has a chance to be special..
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/17/2012 5:12 PM

    I would love to get a superstar SG for LA if we made a deal OKC for Harden would be a nice start. 
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/17/2012 5:50 PM

    He would also be a great pick-up With Harden we can be a very scary team with Wesely, Freeland, Nolan, Claver leading our bench. If Hickson can become a consistent starting PF then in a couple years we can have a crazy team. We just need to lock him up.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/17/2012 9:57 PM

    Honestly, though the best approach would be to deal Batum at the deadline and LA at the draft net some high draft picks like Shabazz Muhammad and Tony Mitchell
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/18/2012 7:46 AM

    Nobody is going to want to trade for Batum with his new contract unless Portland bought him out. Why would Portland do that after just resigning him for that much? Allen has made it clear that those days are long gone.

    I also believe that LA will be traded, maybe as soon as this years trade deadline or even sooner. Just think about it, I like LA and he's been a class act here in Portland, but he is getting older, he is probably starting to look at things a little different now. He's been here through high and low times, the last rebuilding phase. Now we're in another rebuilding phase, will he want to wait around and hope that his last few years as a prime player will be the years Portland gets it right and makes a run at the top? Or will he choose to go somewhere where it's an instant contender? With Dallas and SA waiting I think it's just a matter of time.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/18/2012 10:22 AM

    Do you have a package in mind you think we will get for him?
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/18/2012 10:42 AM

    I'ts really hard to tell right now until we get a look at our team playing together. I think a top lottery pick would have to be the centerpiece of the deal and then some.

    I think we would get the most value if we pulled the trigger between now and the trade deadline, not waiting until it's too late trying to just get something before he walks.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/18/2012 11:19 PM

    I agree sell him to a lottery team early so they do not have to worry about if he will resign. I think we need to do it this summer. Hard to see OKC keeping Harden now that they paid Ibaka 12 million per. 

    Without resigning Maynor and Cook's expiring deal OKC payroll is at 69.32 million with 13 on their roster. Thabeet, Thompson and Orton have non guaranteed deals but all make the minimum pretty much so no real savings there. Hayward, Aldrich, and Jackson have team options which could save some money. But honestly OKC's only legit option is amnestying Perkins and not bringing back Aldrich and Hayward to open up enough room to bring back Harden. 

    Perkins saves them 7.7, Aldrich 2, and Hayward around 1 even with all that OKC would be around 4 million into the tax and I am not sure they want to do that. 

    With draft picks and Harden signed we can really make a big impact. 
    As far as trading LA is concerned we can offer him to Charlotte for Diop, Kidd-Gilchrist, an unprotected 2013 first and the return of our owed pick. If they won't do an unprotected pick then maybe settle for top 5 protected. 

    That move saves us 7 million in cap space when you factor in keeping Kidd-Gilchrist and a high lottery pick. 
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  1. Sean Blaser
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    Posted 08/18/2012 11:21 PM

    I wouldnt mind harden but I doubt okc would be willing to lose him I think tyreke and a first rounder would be nice
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/19/2012 12:03 AM

    If they resign Harden while keeping their current roster OKC would have an 83 million dollar payroll and would be looking at a 30 million dollar tax payment next season and even higher down the road. They cannot possibly afford that unless they win a title this season.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 08/19/2012 12:52 AM

    id like tyreke and a first round that sounds good to me or tyreke and cousins but i dont like cousins at all so first rounder wouldnt be bad
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  1. Sean Blaser
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    Posted 08/19/2012 1:10 AM

    I can see okc gettin6 that ring this season im pretty sure the howard trade is gonna be dissappointing
  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/19/2012 8:11 AM

    If JJ Hickson comes out of the gate looking like he did last year, and shows sign of more development, then why not get him to sign a 3-5 year extension while we can still do it for fairly cheap. Then trade LA for picks. I hate that the topic of trading LA is even being talked about but I think it's a safe bet that he walks in 2 years.
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  1. DamianLilard
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    Posted 08/19/2012 9:26 AM

    why would we trade LA if he is our franchise player and we get no all-star player in return. LA and Hickson is fine playing together and they will be a force in the middle with Leonard and Freeland develop. i think LEONARD will be a starter by christmas time if he get a 10-10 every night with 2 block per game. i think we will have a 4 tower in LA, Hickson, LEONARD, and Freeland if they get at least 10 point and 8 rebound per game
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 08/19/2012 11:44 AM

    I agree, I don't know why everyone is suddenly jumping on the idea that LaMarcus will be unhappy here and we need to trade him to get value... blows my mind a little bit. This team is being built around him, and while it might not be 100% effective from day one there's no way he's going to think we're going backwards from where the franchise was at. 

    One of the biggest troubles with the internet is fan/media speculation speed works a thousand times faster than the speed of the game. Wait and see how we look for a season or two, before you decide that we need to become the next Magic in trading away our franchise player.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/19/2012 12:08 PM

    JJ averaged 12 points 6 rebounds when playing with Lamarcus.

    The 8 games that JJ did not play with Lamarcus he averaged 16 and 10 rebounds.

    I love Lamarcus but JJ is clearly losing hit potential playing behind him.

    Just saying if we can get a nice 2 guard or some quality young bench players and draft picks with Lamarcus we can be scaryyyy. But JJ isnt the most consistent player in the world. 

    Can we do a sign and trade with JJ this coming off season or are we not able to because of our financial situation???
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  1. Sean Blaser
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    Posted 08/19/2012 12:39 PM


    Posted By DamianLilard on 08/19/2012 9:26 AM
    why would we trade LA if he is our franchise player and we get no all-star player in return. LA and Hickson is fine playing together and they will be a force in the middle with Leonard and Freeland develop. i think LEONARD will be a starter by christmas time if he get a 10-10 every night with 2 block per game. i think we will have a 4 tower in LA, Hickson, LEONARD, and Freeland if they get at least 10 point and 8 rebound per game

    im not seeing leonard starting by christmas unless he magically develops a decent post game im thinking 2 to 3 seasons and u might see an 8/8 type of game but for now he needs time to develop
  1. riverman
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    Posted 08/19/2012 12:59 PM

    My biggest wish list for this team is that our bench production maintains a lead. Last couple of seasons we've disappeared in the 3rd quarters and had to have monstrous 4th quarters to lose by a couple of pts or win by a couple of points. We have a lot of scoring on the roster now and with ball movement, rebounds and guys who can actually finish a fast break without dribbling off their foot or throwing the ball away or my worst complaint....bricking a layup, we should compete. I think we have Harden like talent right now...just need to spread minutes out more evenly...unlike Nate did...and keep fresh legs on the court. Problem with our young roster is they won't be getting calls this season. Harden's asset is his ability to create and drive the lane as well as his motor...we have Elliot, Barton, Lillard, Batum...all guys who can do this. Just hope they get some burn...all these recent playoff teams have been fairly injury free...we haven't..that's another wish for this season..no major injuries. Look at Chicago after Rose went down..that can happen to Miami, LA, OKC...it's a crapshoot. There's only one player on the roster I'd like to dump even though he had a mini 3 pt fest in garbage time last season. I think our bench can be very, very dangerous this season..go Blazers!
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/19/2012 1:34 PM

    Bench will be key to our success this season.  If Elliot becomes a great spark like I think he will, and Leonard produces then we can be a playoff team. Elliot, Claver, Nolan, Leoanrd, Hickson can be a good bench unit. Nolan needs to step up this season. He played great in the Summer League. Its a shame he kept getting hurt. Our back up SF is the weakest position in our bench. Claver, Babbit, Jeffries, Pavlovic are all mediocre players in my opinion. Maybe Victor can surprise us this year. This is why we need Pietrus or trade for Corey Brewer or some other Wingmen.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/19/2012 1:44 PM

    Posted By Blazer247 on 08/19/2012 11:44 AM
    Wait and see how we look for a season or two, before you decide that we need to become the next Magic in trading away our franchise player.


    That's just it, I don't want us to become the Magic and be sitting there just trying to get, something, out of our biggest asset.
    Right now LA's value is the highest it has ever been and probably ever will be. Not saying it will go down. If I knew for sure LA would stay then no doubt, keep him here. You just have to wonder if he really is committed to start all over, again.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/19/2012 7:53 PM

    This team has potential but I do not see the balance we need to contend and that is the goal.
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  1. sug81
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    Posted 08/19/2012 10:41 PM

    I really hope barton gets a shot and same with ewill and i think if they prove themselves then wes and jj could make for pretty decent package even though i would hate to see them go because those are the two that go all out
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/20/2012 11:28 AM

    I like Barton but I think he will be buried on the depth chart this year.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/20/2012 12:00 PM

    Doubt Barton sees some plays unless Elliot gets hurt  (again)
    Or if we do a trade....
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/20/2012 12:36 PM

    I would not want to see LA traded for a draft pick lol. Unless it is guaranteed top 3. In the past years not many great players have been drafted that were not the first pick. Drafts are too risky in my opinion. Much rather get a proven player in return. If we cannot get a great player than keep LA. Lamarcus should stay. All we need is some nice role players.  
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  1. Sean Blaser
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    Posted 08/20/2012 12:42 PM

    Hell get his fair share of playing time were weak at the 2 and 3 off the bench so im pretty sure if he contributes with a little bit of everything hell be a roleplayer
  1. Sean Blaser
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    Posted 08/20/2012 12:56 PM


    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/16/2012 10:12 AM
    <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Cmeese47</span></p>
    <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: Trebuchet MS,sans-serif; color: #333333; font-size: 9pt;">Matthews</span></p>
    <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: Trebuchet MS,sans-serif; color: #333333; font-size: 9pt;">He is a solid defender, likely the best one on the team and a capable three point shooter. Wesley has serious ball control issues when driving to the hoop and that has to improve for him to improve. He would be a very good role player on a title contender but he is our starter and getting big minutes while making significant money. If we want to win a title it has to be T<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS,sans-serif;">rade.</span></span></p>
    <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">I disagree about Matthews; besides JJ he has more Heart and toughness than anyone on the team.  He is a great defender as you indicated, this guy is committed to his craft, and why else would a fourth year be playing in the Summer League.  JJ and Wesley can inspire other players to play with that level (jury is still out on Batum).  If we want toughness and aggression keep him and if the Blazers can find someone else that is better than he comes off the bench. He has accepted whatever role the Blazers give him.  <b>KEEP HIM</b></span></p>
    <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">With JJ evaluate his talent to the trade deadline, if he is playing good keep him and etend his contract to 2 years at $10M while our centers are developing.  I think you will see Myers Leonard starting sooner than most people think.  Then JJ can come off the bench behind LA and also be a defensive role player.</span></p>
    <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;">Also, I am still a Babbitt believer, let him continue to develop behind our $45m man who else do we have that can do it?  Putting him in the D League is a joke; if you are going to do that, release him.</span></p>
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    I agree with this yeah hes not consistant offensively but he does make up for it with his defense still think we need to look for a legit star starter at the spot and move mathews to a roleplaying role hes great in late game situations when we need lock down defense
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/20/2012 2:41 PM

    Matthews will continue to command starters money and that we cannot have if he is to be a role player
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/20/2012 6:11 PM

    His contract is not that bad. We brought him in to back up Roy anyways so he was supposed to be a role player. His contract fits him in my opinion 6 mil a year is what good starting SGs should make that arent stars.  Same amount that Crawford, Afflao, Terry, all make the same amount
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/20/2012 6:55 PM

    He will be making 7 million in 2 years, which is too much for a team looking to stay out of the tax.
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  1. billyamick47
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    Posted 08/21/2012 1:46 PM

    Agreed 7 million is too much to be a back unless the starter has a rookie scale deal then it will be okay until that deal expires
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/22/2012 1:27 PM

    Is it just me or does this team have too many pieces
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 08/23/2012 3:24 PM

    Paul Allen has proven again and again that's he's not afraid to pay the luxury tax. It's his money!
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/23/2012 7:47 PM

    We should trade for Luke RIdnour, or Eric Maynor.
    Then sign Mickael Pietrus.
    Or maybe look at Omari Casspi or give Terrrance Williams a try.
    Hopefully Claver is productive.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/23/2012 9:48 PM

    Who are we going to trade for them

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/24/2012 7:12 PM

    Twill , Pietrus are both free agents.
    OKC is looking to shed cap, so can we absorb Maynors contract by giving them cash..?

    Casspi has been on and off the market the pas couple days. Also rumors he wants to head back to Israel. I wouldnt give more than Nolan/ Babbit and a future second round pick 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/24/2012 9:02 PM

    I think the problem is we have too many pieces as is an none of those guys appear to be significant upgrades
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/24/2012 10:56 PM

    Nolan, Pavlovic, and Babbit are all pretty mediocre.

    Nolan has to step up this season if he doesn't then he gotta go. Ridnour and Maynor are big upgrades over him. Many good pack PGs out there. Ronnie Price is good to. He might be main back up PG.

    Peitrus can hit 3s and play D. Big upgrade over Babbit. Terrance Williams has shown to be a very versatile and has shown a wide skill set. He is inconsistent but he has flirted with many triple doubles. He would be a upgrade too.

    We dont know what were getting from Claver..
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/25/2012 4:12 PM

    You are right that Ridnour would be represent a significant upgrade over Smith but with the uncertainty surrounding Rubio and the fallout from Batum it is not likely Minnesota will be eager to trade with us. 
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/25/2012 7:58 PM

    Yeah I dont think Minnesota likes us lol
    Many good PGs to back up Dame tho.
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