How to retool the Blazers into legit title contenders
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/04/2012 10:40 PM

    As many of you know I have suggested trading everyone on the team in order to start rebuilding for the future. However, this time I decided to go in a completely different direction. 

    For this retool to work a few things will need to happen on draft night. The first is Andre Drummond needs to fall to us at #6 if Harrison Barnes lands in the top 5 Drummond will be available. With Drummond Portland would finally have the center they need to acquire Andre Iguodala. 

    Trading Drummond, Matthews and Thomas would only add about 3 million to the teams payroll. 

    If Lillard is available with the #11 pick a unlikely scenario Portland would be wise to take him otherwise they could take best available or try and move down. 

    In free agency Portland signs Kevin Garnett, he is a great defender, rebounder and still can score filling every single hole we have at center. Yes he is getting old but he has 2-3 years left in him.

    Portland follows that signing by adding Steve Nash. 

    Portland than either resigns JJ Hickson or signs Ersan Ilyasova who ever is cheaper. 

    Portland adds Danny Green and Grant Hill to get some bench depth. 

    Lastly, Portland resigns Batum. 

    I honestly believe that this line up could contend for a title next season.
    PG Steve Nash
    SG Nic Batum
    SF Andre Iguodala
    PF Lamarcus Aldridge
    C Kevin Garnett

    With a bench of 
    SF Grant Hill
    PF JJ Hickson or Ersan Ilyasova
    SG Danny Green
    Plus whoever Portland acquired with #11 pick

    Since I am uncertain on what Nash and Garnett will command via free agency Luke Babbitt, Nolan Smith, Shawne Williams and Elliot Williams could be traded away for future draft picks to make room. 

    If Portland landed Lillard at #11 he would be in a great situation where he could learn from a legend and come off the bench looking to attack the basket and score with the second unit. Also landing Lillard would guarantee that we trade Nolan Smith. 

    Also depending on cap space Portland could still try and bring over Joel Freeland who could alleviate some pressure off of Garnett by commanding extra minutes.

    With Garnett securing rebounds and Batum, Iguodala, and Aldridge running the court with Nash pushing the tempo this team would be scary in transition. This team would also be very tough defensively, Batum and Iguodala would be a handful for anyone and the center would be anchored by Garnett. 

    With Hickson or Ilyasova, Hill and Green the bench has plenty of scoring power even more so if the team is able to draft Lillard and bring over Freeland while keeping E. Williams. Suddenly Portland could be 10 deep and very capable of making a run for the title similar to the Spurs this season. 


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  1. wscott12
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    Posted 06/04/2012 11:25 PM

    I can only see one of those players possibly coming here and that is Steve Nash. Why give up on Wes? You don't get much more with Iggy as much as I like him. Defense yes, but not offense. The rest is unrealistic.
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  1. rob10s14
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    Posted 06/04/2012 11:41 PM

    I just posted almost the exact same thing but I think portland should keep drummond and mathews and also draft lillard with either the 11th or maybe trade up to 9 with detroit to get him. With KG and Nash grooming lillard and drummond in 3 or 4 years when their contracts are up we would have some cap space again and have a core of lillard mathews batum LA and drummond. I also like adding hill, it would give us 3 of the smartest free agents to help grow a young team, KG would really help our defense and give drummond some fire and nash can help lillard become a better passer. mathews is going to have a bounce back year and isnt enough of a downgrade from AI to get rid of drummond. Nash will probly cost about 10mil a year and KG probly 12 after playing so well in the playoffs and hill would probly take the rest of our cap space so green and ilyasova would probly be out of reach but the lineup would still be pretty good
    pg-Nash, Lillard, Nolan
    Sg- Mathews, Williams, Hill
    Sf- Batum, Hill, Babbit
    Pf- Aldridge, Hickson or Freeland
    C- Garnett, Drummond
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/05/2012 12:11 AM

    Why is the rest unrealistic there is a lot of people out there who would like to play with Nash. With Iguodala, Aldridge and Nash the team would have a good foundation that easily could peak the interest of someone like Garnett especially if we offered him a nice contract. Resigning Hickson or Ilyasova is very likely. There is not likely to be a huge market for Grant Hill out there so he should not be hard to sign. 
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 06/05/2012 11:37 AM

    almost like it- but garnett will spend half the yr injured, im ok with nash- i think going after AL jeffersonwould be better-

    1 draft pick and matthews for all jefferson
    sign and trade hickson and 2 future picks (not of this yr) for iguadala

    nash/marshell(depending on the pick we give up)*/armon
    batum/elliot
    AI/barnes*(depending on who is gone early in the draft)*/babbit
    LA/iliasova
    AL jefferson/Drumond**/prizbilla

    jefferson is in his prine, nash gives 2 more great yrs, this team puts us in contnention- specially with coach dantoni- works as a coach cuz 4 of the starters are good team defenders and 4 of them run the floor well
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/05/2012 11:45 AM

    My only issue there is Jefferson costs more than Garnett will your hurting our chances for rebuilding in the future if the plan fails and Garnett is a much better leader and defender than Jefferson which something the team really needs. 

    Yes Garnett is a potential health risk but if we sign Freeland as his back up we can limit his number of minutes during the regular season and save him. Also during that missed time Freeland will have the chance to develop which is something we need if he is going to contribute during the playoffs. 
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  1. rob10s14
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    Posted 06/05/2012 11:52 AM

    Not possible jefferson makes 14mil and AI make 13.5mil and you are only trading away 6.1mil from wes. Nash would need atleast 10mil since thats what the suns already offered him and Illiasova will probly take atleast 6mil a year. We only have a max of 25mil and your adding almost 40mil with priz and armon since neither is on the team  
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 06/05/2012 12:09 PM

    jefferson better at defense and rebounds, garnett has better offensive edge, but LA is our offensive big man option
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 06/05/2012 12:09 PM

    jefferson better at defense and rebounds, garnett has better offensive edge, but LA is our offensive big man option
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/05/2012 1:14 PM

    On no planet in this galaxy is Jefferson the better defender than Garnett. Garnett was second team all defense this season and Jefferson has not and likely will never make that team. Garnett is the better defensive rebounder while Jefferson gets more offensive boards. Both are capable scorers with Jefferson having a slight edge. 

    Garnett's leadership, and intensity are miles ahead of Jefferson and he will come in at least 4 million less a season.
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 06/05/2012 1:35 PM

    I think al will be better in yrs to come, garnetts D gets worse every yr, Al is better off the ball than garnett, and because we have LA i think Al just fits in better because we do not have to run a play for him,
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 06/05/2012 1:35 PM

    I think al will be better in yrs to come, garnetts D gets worse every yr, Al is better off the ball than garnett, and because we have LA i think Al just fits in better because we do not have to run a play for him,
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  1. diablo2689
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    Posted 06/05/2012 3:36 PM

    WOOAA You would want Garnett over Jefferson? I think if we had the opportunity to have the same exact team with the only difference being Garnett (now 36) or Jefferson (now 27), you have to pick Jefferson for the future. I feel Jefferson is a bigger banger at this stage in their careers. If we were talking about both players in their early 20's, than i would go with Garnett. Right now though, I say Garnett is option #2 if we don't get Jefferson. Because regardless we need a strong C that can demand respect and lead the younger centers we aquire.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/05/2012 4:21 PM

    we need to forget about signing or, worse yet, trading for old stars with big names.  that will get us absolutely no where but a 1st round playoff exit.  i suffered through the Whitsitt years and I don't think that philosophy is the key to winnning a title.  i think we need to do it the way we did with the Drexler era team of the late 80's early 90's, where we stuck with the same guys, most of which we got through the draft, developed them, had them playing together for years.  what i hear a lot of is the quick fix strategy which brings me back to the jail blazers era.  i just don't believe in renting big names for a year or two and expecting anything out of it.  signing pippen got us know where.  if a mentor is all you want then go sign a proven hard working vet in the mold of a kurt thomas or juwan howard who is happy sitting on the bench all season for the league minimum.  i would like to see us grow the team like we did with the Drexler era team and the Roy era team. not the Whitsitt era team.
    we must focus on the draft and young players through FA, like a Dragic. somebody hungry for a starting position.  We should take a look at Hibbert.  He is young and hasn't even hit his ceiling yet. the worst thing we could do is waste a bunch of money on aging stars well past their prime like garnett and kidd. even nash has declined slightly and is only going to decline more. 
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/05/2012 5:31 PM

    you know, you have to keep in mind that rome wasn't built in a day.  We're not going to build our future this year; there isn't enough solid talent via the draft or free agency and we have far too many free agents.

    We need bandages.  

    I mean, do you honestly think Portland's going to make the playoffs this coming year?  Sure, it's possible, but with really only 2-3 returning vets with any chemistry, that's highly optimistic.

    I personally do not like any PG options in the draft, at least not long-term solutions and certainly not anyone who I think is going to WOW portland fans.  Which is why bringing in a guy like nash or kidd is a viable solution, if they care to come here... it buys us a year or two until a better PG prospect comes along in the draft.

    Camby was supposed to be a temp solution till Oden was healthy and as far as I'm concerned, camby did his job without regret; I think fans liked him, I did.  And I'm not opposed to bringing in some veteran leadership to help get us by till longer term solutions come along.  

    The biggest problem with dragic, hibbert, as with batum and hickson is going to be the dollars they command.  Portland's said over and again they're not going to get locked into larger, long-term deals and that doesn't bode well for Batum remaining a blazer because he's one of the hottest tickets in free agency. 

    a guy like nash will probably prefer a contender over portland.  hibbert's a good option, but why's he a better option than Thabeet?  I tend to think Thabeet will cost less and he has a higher ceiling.  
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/05/2012 5:46 PM

    the new GM is saying anyone Portland signs is going to be long-term commitments.  He says the right things so far.  No team in the league can commit to every person on their roster long term and like he also said, redundancy in some positions can open up promising deals... which is how he got chris paul.

    If I'm reading between the lines, it tells me maybe he's got a guy like beal in mind... redundancy at SG could lead to a deal... ???

    it's too early to start reading between the lines, but it sounds like he wants to take the best player available as opposed to simply filling team needs.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/05/2012 7:28 PM

    Say what you want but I would rather have someone who is a multiple time mvp in Nash and multiple time all star and all nba defense member in garnett for 2 years than an average PG like dragic or average center like Kaman for 4 years
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/05/2012 8:56 PM

    If you still don't think we should get Garnett you did not watch the game tonight or the whole playoffs for that matter
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/05/2012 9:41 PM

    you're not talking to me, I know, i haven't even talked about garnett and I'm not opposed to nash.  The new GM was actually asked specifically about Nash this evening and he cannot comment about plans or intentions in regards to specific players, i guess that has to wait until free agency officially begins.  But what he did say is that they want players who are willing to make long-term commitments to portland.  And beings how we've been in a logjam with high salaries in the past, I don't imagine he's referring to anyone who's going to be needing a massive paycheck.  If we got Nash or Garnett, they're not going to be long-term and they should command pretty high salaries... they just don't sound like the type of options the franchise is looking for.

    But more so, I don't think those guys would want to come here... I mean, Garnett's on a team contending for a title, you think he wants to come here and be a teacher for a team on the mend?

    i like your ideas, but it's just not going to happen.  If I'm wrong, quote me later and I'll admit I was wrong, but I'm just trying to think of the team, what we need going forward and I'm really trying to get in the head of our GM and owner... based on what transpired last year and our current situation, well, about the only thing that sounded reassuring to me is 

    1) he sung a lot of praise for Aldridge and while he's not opposed to any deal, he recognizes L.A. is the guy to build around.

    2) he mentioned one of his kids said he really wants Batum to stay here.  And we all know money is going to be a big concern, but after hearing what they said, well, I have a feeling Batum will be back. 

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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/06/2012 12:01 AM

    No Bucks, no Celtics



    NO, unless it's Monta Ellis, but he's only kinda a Buck.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/06/2012 3:30 PM

    I realize Garnett's team is contending for a title, I also believe that if saw a roster with Lamarcus, Nash, Batum and Iguodala that he would at least consider them especially if they can offer him more than a mid-level exception. 
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/07/2012 1:58 AM

    Posted By boomtown on 06/05/2012 5:31 PM
      hibbert's a good option, but why's he a better option than Thabeet?  I tend to think Thabeet will cost less and he has a higher ceiling.  

    Roy Hibbert
    Indiana
    Position:  Center
    Height:  7-2 Weight:  260
    Prior to NBA / Country:
    Georgetown / USA
    2012 Playoffs Statistics
    PPG 11.7
    RPG 11.2
    APG 1.1
    SPG 0.4
    BPG 3.1
    FG% 0.500
    FT% 0.667
    3P% 1.000
    MPG 30.9
    Hasheem Thabeet
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    Position:  Center
    Height:  7-3 Weight:  263
    Prior to NBA / Country:
    Uconn / Tanzania
    2011-12 Statistics
    PPG 1.8
    RPG 2.1
    APG 0.0
    SPG 0.0
    BPG 0.5
    FG% 0.524
    FT% 0.650
    3P% 0.000
    MPG 7.0
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/07/2012 2:08 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 06/06/2012 3:30 PM
    I realize Garnett's team is contending for a title, I also believe that if saw a roster with Lamarcus, Nash, Batum and Iguodala that he would at least consider them especially if they can offer him more than a mid-level exception. 

    so if you could convince garnett to play for portland with having steve nash and iggy, how do you sell nash and iggy on coming here? i think nash would be the easier of the three because from what i've heard he'd love to play alongside lamarcus and they have a good relationship. and doesnt batum and iggy both play at the 3?
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 06/07/2012 7:05 AM

    sorry you are not going to convince me with filling the roster with a bunch of high priced 2 year vet bandaids. I saw the Scotty Pippen years I stopped watching when Shawn Kemp came to town and had this huge bloated contract and he retired on the court while dribbling his first ball. I do not want to go through that again. Sure I would like a Championship tomorrow. I also know it isn't going to happen. Garnett is out there playing and the Celts are out there playing their hearts out when by all odds it should have been a Miami win. This team developed coach and players together and BTW it is Rondo out there pushing them on the court that is making them that much better. Garnett knows it, the Heat know it, and ESPN knows it. IF we were to manage to get KG here there is no way we would get the same intensity out of him so no I do not want him here. We got a chance to build a team, not half a team with a revolving door of retiring vets with bloated contracts stunting the growth of young players.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 06/07/2012 10:16 AM

    No way we should do this...these guys are not only old, they're expensive. Garnet does not like being in the paint...similiar to LaMarcus. We need a rebounding machine with young legs and a young, talented point guard. If we start signing aging vets, we'll be doing this year after year. Freeland or Hawes, Millsap or Jefferson I could see but guys going into their 40s makes no sense to me. We don't need a superstar center, we need a hungry rebounder with passing skills. One of our weaknesses last season was ball movement and passing. Lazy passes and too much dribbling off the foot. I don't want to break the bank or waste our cap on old guys. Thunder stayed young and look what they just did to the Spurs! Mid 20's vets, sure. Otherwise why did we let Camby and Wallace go? Even Andre Miller? (I like Dre's game more than Nash's) Nash did not carry his team deep in the playoffs at all. He puts up great stats but also plays no defense and has his share of turnovers.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 11:31 AM

    From most reports I have seen Nash has an interest in coming to Portland. Iguodala would be acquired via trade so that is how you get those two in town. As far as Iggy is concerned he could play either the 2 or the 3 depending on where we want him. I think if we acquired him Batum would move to SG since he prefers that spot and plays there on the French National team. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 11:41 AM

    Posted By barnettfan on 06/07/2012 7:05 AM
    sorry you are not going to convince me with filling the roster with a bunch of high priced 2 year vet bandaids. I saw the Scotty Pippen years I stopped watching when Shawn Kemp came to town and had this huge bloated contract and he retired on the court while dribbling his first ball. I do not want to go through that again. Sure I would like a Championship tomorrow. I also know it isn't going to happen. Garnett is out there playing and the Celts are out there playing their hearts out when by all odds it should have been a Miami win. This team developed coach and players together and BTW it is Rondo out there pushing them on the court that is making them that much better. Garnett knows it, the Heat know it, and ESPN knows it. IF we were to manage to get KG here there is no way we would get the same intensity out of him so no I do not want him here. We got a chance to build a team, not half a team with a revolving door of retiring vets with bloated contracts stunting the growth of young players.

    I remember Pippen being one of the leaders on the 99-2000 team that was screwed by the refs in game 7 because no one wanted to see Indiana vs. Portland.
    Kemp was the biggest mistake in franchise history he seemed to balloon up with every illegitimate child he had. Paying 20 million for his 320 ass was a travesty and to compare him to either Nash, Hill or Garnett is disgusting. A 36 year old KG is still 3 times better than Spencer Hawes will ever be. Nash 53% from the field 39% from 3 pt range and over 10 assists a night certainly does not seem to be in decline either. 

    Garnett is the leader of the Celtics period he is one the NBA's most intense players and always has been even when he was buried in the frozen land of Minnesota surrounded by scrubs. 
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  1. Andy Blacksmith
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    Posted 06/07/2012 2:23 PM

    Honestly this is as terrible an idea as trading the whole team away. We would be good for 2, maybe 3 years max. Then right back in the same spot. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 3:09 PM

    What is the problem in being back in this spot every seems to think we are in a great position. After 2 years the team would once again have a ton of cap space and could have a few players playing at a high level (E. Williams, Freeland, Aldridge, Lillard? next years pick?) Also 2014 free agent class will have a ton of great talent available. 
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/08/2012 12:32 AM

    cmeese47. I think we can agree on a bench. I like the acquisitions of Danny Green and Irsan Iyaslova (pardon my spelling). I also think Eric Maynor is the ideal backup PG if we're going for a comfortable-established bench but I dont know what he will be like after a season off. The thing with a center is that its a messy situation any possible way. I see where you're coming from with Garnett and I highly respect him but he will be embaressed next to bynum, howard, and hibbert. During these playoffs he hasnt gone up against a quality center at all, Horford and Hawes...

    Constructively, I have been trying to think if there is any younger version of garnett around. Somebody with the same intensity and vigor. Anyone come to mind? Because somebody like Garnett with less years and less knee injuries is the type of guy you want to build around. Ibaka maybe?
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 06/08/2012 10:11 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 06/07/2012 11:41 AM

    Posted By barnettfan on 06/07/2012 7:05 AM

    sorry you are not going to convince me with filling the roster with a bunch of high priced 2 year vet bandaids. I saw the Scotty Pippen years I stopped watching when Shawn Kemp came to town and had this huge bloated contract and he retired on the court while dribbling his first ball. I do not want to go through that again. Sure I would like a Championship tomorrow. I also know it isn't going to happen. Garnett is out there playing and the Celts are out there playing their hearts out when by all odds it should have been a Miami win. This team developed coach and players together and BTW it is Rondo out there pushing them on the court that is making them that much better. Garnett knows it, the Heat know it, and ESPN knows it. IF we were to manage to get KG here there is no way we would get the same intensity out of him so no I do not want him here. We got a chance to build a team, not half a team with a revolving door of retiring vets with bloated contracts stunting the growth of young players.


    I remember Pippen being one of the leaders on the 99-2000 team that was screwed by the refs in game 7 because no one wanted to see Indiana vs. Portland.

    Kemp was the biggest mistake in franchise history he seemed to balloon up with every illegitimate child he had. Paying 20 million for his 320 ass was a travesty and to compare him to either Nash, Hill or Garnett is disgusting. A 36 year old KG is still 3 times better than Spencer Hawes will ever be. Nash 53% from the field 39% from 3 pt range and over 10 assists a night certainly does not seem to be in decline either. 



    Garnett is the leader of the Celtics period he is one the NBA's most intense players and always has been even when he was buried in the frozen land of Minnesota surrounded by scrubs. 


    Yes I agree with you that equating Garnett to Kemp as disgusting but that is not what I said and you took it entirely out of context. MSNBC would like to hire you with that kind of reporting. Let me reiterate. The Scotty Pippen years. This refers to a time when we were spending all sorts of money on aging veterens with bloated contracts to try to BUY a championship. We even gave away draft picks to get some of these guys. Jermaine Oneil sat on the bench and did not play because of this. We all know how that worked out dont we? People talk about not drafting Jordan, or Durant because of team needs. No one talks about Oneil sitting on our bench for 3 years and we let him go to Indiana where he immeadiatly makes the ECF all star team. You also failed to mention in your attempts to lambast my post on how I mentioned that the Celtics and the coach had developed as a team and that was the reason that they were up on the Heat along with Garnett and Rondo playing their hearts out. When I typed that I just assumed that everyone pretty much knew that the Celtics core players of Allen,Garnett,Pierce and Rondo have been together for FIVE years along with Rivers  so we would not get the same intensity out of him because we would not have the same cohesiveness as the Celtics are experiencing right now due to the fact the team is going to go through major changes this season. So it will probably be 2 seasons before this core group of rookies AND  vets AND coach AND GM AND Fans work as a unit. OH but wait 2 seasons are up and because of the bloated contracts we really could not afford to really develope our players and not play our aging veterens which played just well enough to get us to the first round of the playoffs and out of the lottery so we spend the cap space AGAIN to get us more aging veterns with bloated contracts Hence the Scotty Pippen years. Since you are a big stat guy and I did not use any percentages,numbers and words like pers I will throw one out for you. If we go the aging veteren route to develope our players there is a 100% chance that we will never win the Championship
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/08/2012 12:10 PM

    You might be correct but here is the likely team next season for Portland.

    Dragic
    Matthews
    Batum
    Aldridge
    Kaman

    Hickson
    E. Williams
    S. Williams
    N. Smith
    L. Babbit
    J. Pryzbilla
    K. Thomas
    and 3 draft picks 

    Unless we hit big on the draft picks and Elliot, Batum, Dragic and Matthews make major strides that team will not win ever win a championship either now rather than trying to rebuild a contender with a 29 year old LA you have a 31 year old LA. 

    Everyone knows that the most consistent way to build a team is via the draft but that is a risky proposition for a team with such a poor draft record. I do not think either situation is ideal but as you saw in the first year of the big 3 sometimes veterans can mesh quickly and win a title.
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  1. Mistafab322
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    Posted 06/08/2012 1:00 PM

    this can only happen in nba 2k12 .
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/08/2012 2:04 PM

    You mean trade for a player who his team wants to shed his salary in Iggy and sign free agents can only happen in a video game? The scenario is entirely possible the only question is would Olshey consider it and how quickly could the team mesh and does Garnett, Nash and Hill have enough in them to win a title. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/08/2012 2:48 PM

    My team Wins Above Replacement Player
    Nash 9.1
    Batum 6.1
    Iguodala 7.8
    Adridge 11.1
    Garnett 8.3

    The starters alone are good for 42.4 wins above replacement that puts this team at 52.4 wins 

    Green adds 3.6 
    Hill 1.3
    Hickson 2.1 Ilyasova 7.5 

    Those numbers are off a bit because they started for other teams but the bench could add another 5 wins. Making this team a realistic shot at between 50-60 wins. That should be enough for home court advantage barring major injuries. 
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Andy Blacksmith
    Andy Blacksmith
    Posts: 87

    Posted 06/08/2012 7:59 PM

    Instead of trading our whole team away now and being good for two or three years we could stick with the core we are building and be good for six or seven. It makes no sense to trade all of our players for aging stars. Also, those numbers are strictly on paper. You never know what might happen. As far as why Hibbert is a better option than Thabeet.. Pretty sure the numbers speak for themselves. If Thabeet got 30 minutes he still wouldn't be at the 10 rebound mark a game unless something amazing happens. 
    I am a fan of Change for the better
  1. Andy Blacksmith
    Andy Blacksmith
    Posts: 87

    Posted 06/08/2012 8:03 PM

    Not to mention they would need at least a year or two to learn how to play together, plus having to deal with teams like OKC in the west playoffs and if we made the finals teams like Miami in the East. Those are serious contenders, and by the time those guys got used to playing with eachother they might only have a year or a year and a half left. These are guys that are going to decline over the next three years, not get better.
    I am a fan of Change for the better
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 06/08/2012 8:22 PM

    Miami in the NBA finals the first year with a completely new team. I only traded one regular rotation player as well. So while it looks like I traded the whole team if you think that Nolan Smith, Shawne Williams, Luke Babbitt and Kurt Thomas are going to help this team win a title then either pass what your smoking or go outside and let the fresh air clear up that purple haze.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
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