Wes Matthews trade ideas?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/29/2012 3:00 PM

    One let me just say I love Matthews heart and hustle but he is widely inconsistent and I hate that. Also IMO he is significantly overpaid for his role on this team.

    That being said I do believe that Wes does have some value as a trade prospect.

    The first trade that I would like to see Portland do is:
    Wesley Matthews to Chicago for C.J. Watson and Taj Gibson

    Watson won't wow anyone but he is a better back up PG than N. Smith and he would represent trade value as an expiring contract next season. The reason for this trade would clearly to sign the talented Taj Gibson. He represents one of the NBA's best defensive big men and would immediately give us a much stronger bench he is also skilled enough to convince LA to slide over to C. Matthews is young and athletic and would fit into the Bulls system he would also be an upgrade over Richard Hamilton.

    Trade option #2
    Wesley Matthews and the #11 pick in the NBA draft to Boston for Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass.

    Avery Bradley has become one of the NBA's best perimeter defenders and he seemed to get more comfortable as a SG as the season progressed. Bass is a nice blue collar player that would give Portland good depth and allow them to not over pay for JJ Hickson. Matthews is young enough and plays hard enough that he would fit well into the Celtics system. The #11 draft pick would just provide extra incentive for the Celtics as they try to determine where their franchise is heading. 

    Trade option #3 
    Wesley Matthews and #11 pick for M. Speights and Tony Allen

    Speights who is a restricted free agent would have to signed to a sign and trade deal for this to work. If accepted he would fit in our vacant Center spot and he represents an upgrade over Zeller or Leonard potential #11 targets. Tony Allen is the best perimeter defender in the NBA and would be a great piece for the Blazers. Matthews is young enough that he would provide a nice buffer for Memphis who looks like they will be unable to resign OJ Mayo. 

    What do you think of these deals?

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/29/2012 3:47 PM

    Trade Option #4

    Keep Him.  He plays with passion and hear which this team is sorely lacking.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/29/2012 4:22 PM

    Keeping him is certainly an option but I think trading him could really help us out in other areas and with the potential of resigning Batum and moving him to the 2 or drafting someone like Beal the team would be log jammed at SG with Beal, Matthews, and E. Williams or Batum, Matthews and E.  Williams so trading one of them seems like a possibility and Matthews is likely the odd man out.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/29/2012 4:25 PM

    #1 - There's absolutely no way Chicago does that trade, especially with Rose on the shelf for most of the 2013 season.

    #2 - That's an overpay for Portland player personnel wise. We already have an undersized shooting guard with potential (Elliot Williams) so that really negates trying to acquire Bradley. And we can just as easily re-sign Hickson who, in my mind, is a similar caliber player that Bass is.

    #3 - Probably the fairest one, but I still say no. Again, we can just re-sign Hickson who is on the same playing field as Speights. And to me, Matthews is a very similar player to that of Tony Allen, probably a little less dominant in man defense but a superior offensive player.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/29/2012 4:27 PM

    Nicely put Mr. DHAWES22
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 05/29/2012 6:10 PM

    After coming to grips with this last season after which I wanted to fire the entire team except for J.J.. I look at Mathews and I see possibly the best 6th man in basketball. When Matthews is on he is better than Hardin at both ends of the court. I hope last season was a slump like just about everyone else had and not a viewing of things to come. Remember we got Wes to back up Roy not to replace him we just have not found anyone to replace Roy. I think having Wes for one more year is a no brainer unless we can get someone monsterous in a package deal because we did overpay for Wes but that is the price when you steal someone.
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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 05/29/2012 11:13 PM

    I really like Wes but I too believe we should trade him and Batum. I think the only present Blazers that will be in a red and black uniform next season are LA, JJ, E. Williams, Thabeet, Przybilla, and possibly N.Smith or Flynn in a back-up roll. We will soon see how the management feels on the subject. This is a business and it is not about LIKE or DON'T LIKE it is about winning, consistency, and production. These three things fill the seats and that is the bottom line. The past is the past, let's move on from these mistakes and attempt to make some WISE moves from here on out. We can start with a little luck and win a top 3 spot in tomorrows' draft lottery. GO BLAZERS!
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  1. DoubleDz
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    Posted 05/30/2012 12:50 AM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 05/29/2012 3:47 PM
    Trade Option #4

    Keep Him.  He plays with passion and hear which this team is sorely lacking.

    Nuff said!!!!
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 05/30/2012 5:57 AM

    Matthews has got to improve his ballhandling, playmaking, setting up his teammates. He'd be a terrific 6th man, but he struggled mightily in that role for Portland earlier in the season.

    Team's ain't gonna give us 2 for 1 with Matthews. Pick one of those guys, and MAYBE, a team will deal for Wes. We'd probably have to throw some cash in there too. I think Portland may have paid a little too much in the Matthews auction last summer.
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 05/30/2012 11:53 AM

    I think phili will look to move iggy,would  not mind if he comes to portland, he brings good defense and can be our go to closer (# 5 need for this team) mathews number 11 pick for iggy
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/30/2012 1:37 PM

    Wow how things have changed, Dustin does not believe Matthews would be enough on his own to get Gibson which is possible but considering we could have had Gibson for Rudy in 2010 it makes me sick.

    Adding Taj Gibson to this team and swapping Andre Miller back for Felton which was made possible by the Rudy trade would have changed the entire dynamic of this team. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/30/2012 3:03 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 05/30/2012 1:37 PM
    Wow how things have changed, Dustin does not believe Matthews would be enough on his own to get Gibson which is possible but considering we could have had Gibson for Rudy in 2010 it makes me sick.

    Adding Taj Gibson to this team and swapping Andre Miller back for Felton which was made possible by the Rudy trade would have changed the entire dynamic of this team. 
    I never said that. I said, Wesley isn't enough to net Gibson AND CJ Watson -- Chicago's starting point guard for the 2012-13 season.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/30/2012 6:50 PM

    To get Gibson from Chicago which would be a genius move probably would require us to take Rip Hamilton considering the cap situation for Chicago not sure that would happen.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 05/30/2012 7:06 PM

    Posted By DoubleDz on 05/30/2012 12:50 AM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 05/29/2012 3:47 PM

    Trade Option #4



    Keep Him.  He plays with passion and hear which this team is sorely lacking.


    Nuff said!!!!


    Get over trading Matthews.  He will win 6th man in 2013.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. KevinMontoy
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    Posted 05/30/2012 10:41 PM

    i agree with @BlazerManiac and @DHawes22

    Wes Mat plays with passion and heart, it's harder to find a player with passion and heart than a player with a great skill,

    and for me, all the trade option is unnecessary, why looking for another PF position..? we have LA and JJ to sign back,

    but.. if only he would be traded later (maybe with some other players in the packages like Nic, Kurt, or Luke), we must get a superstar player from this trade, a real superstar player who really can help our team to win a championship.
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  1. KevinMontoy
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    Posted 05/30/2012 10:41 PM

    i agree with @BlazerManiac and @DHawes22

    Wes Mat plays with passion and heart, it's harder to find a player with passion and heart than a player with a great skill,

    and for me, all the trade option is unnecessary, why looking for another PF position..? we have LA and JJ to sign back,

    but.. if only he would be traded later (maybe with some other players in the packages like Nic, Kurt, or Luke), we must get a superstar player from this trade, a real superstar player who really can help our team to win a championship.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/31/2012 11:34 AM

    We all seem to be on board with DHawes22.  I think this is a good approach to go forward. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/31/2012 6:09 PM

    I have no problem with Matthews heart it is the 6.75 million he will make next season that is the issue for me. If he could help net multiple pieces than that would be a big help. 

    Without JJ bird rights we cannot go over the cap to sign him and I believe he will make 7 million this off-season. Add in at least 9 million for Batum and we have only 12 million to spend on free agents with only 4 proven quality players on the roster. LA, Batum, Hickson and Matthews. Add on 8 for Dragic and you now have 5 proven players and only 4 million left to spend. 

    I believe Elliot will join the viable player list but that only leaves 6 players who you can expect nightly contributions from and whatever we can get from our picks either in talent or trade. I do not see that as enough to make us contenders so I wanted to move Matthews for some extra cap flexibility and extra pieces.
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 05/31/2012 7:17 PM

    I like matthews.....but i think he is a similar player to roy- he plays best when he plays as the "pg" of the team, when he creates plays for himself. He does not play well off the bench and he does not play well as a 3rd options (he was on the floor with LA and crawford)  might be time to either use him as #1 options (ew i don't like it) or trade (better FA I like i concider batum better but many people do not, which I understand) We should just shop around to see what we can get
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 06/03/2012 9:28 AM

    Wesley is our glue guy, scrambles for loose balls, plays lock down defense and shoots the 3 pretty well. Our version of Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier. Foolish to trade him in my opinion. He'll play way better with a smart point guard to get him the ball where he needs it. Batum is another one we have to keep. In my opinion both of them are keepers. These are the type of players that are hard to find. Who's going to replace them? Why trade them for point guards when we will get a point guard anyway? Character has value.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 06/03/2012 9:28 AM

    Wesley is our glue guy, scrambles for loose balls, plays lock down defense and shoots the 3 pretty well. Our version of Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier. Foolish to trade him in my opinion. He'll play way better with a smart point guard to get him the ball where he needs it. Batum is another one we have to keep. In my opinion both of them are keepers. These are the type of players that are hard to find. Who's going to replace them? Why trade them for point guards when we will get a point guard anyway? Character has value.
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 06/03/2012 11:56 AM

    We see him play every night, really value the little things that he brings to our team, and we STILL think he is overpaid. You don't think another team will as well? I love Matthews, I agree he's a major "glue" guy, but he is most definitely overpaid. Then again this is the NBA, who isnt.  
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/03/2012 3:06 PM

    i love wesley matthews if he is coming off them bench and is happy coming off the bench and plays just as well.  let's face it. we will never win a championship with matthews as our starting 2 guard.  i really think we need to have a star quality player at that position.  i know matthews plays good hard nosed defense and wants to win more than anybody on the court but offensively, he is very limited and often times tries to do more than he is capable of.  we just can't afford to let that position be a weakness in our offense. we need 20 ppg from that position.  i saw way too many games last year where we were way overmatched at the 2 guard position where the opponents 2 guard scored 20+ points and our 2 guard gets 8-10 points. i like batum but he is overrated.  i can't stand his disappearing acts.  if he can't be an allstar calliber player, which he has shown, he cannot play at that level consistenly, then i don't think he's worth paying over 8-9 million a year for. draft harrison barnes and send batum packing if he wants more money than that.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/03/2012 3:42 PM

    Posted By barnettfan on 05/29/2012 6:10 PM
    After coming to grips with this last season after which I wanted to fire the entire team except for J.J.. I look at Mathews and I see possibly the best 6th man in basketball. When Matthews is on he is better than Hardin at both ends of the court. I hope last season was a slump like just about everyone else had and not a viewing of things to come. Remember we got Wes to back up Roy not to replace him we just have not found anyone to replace Roy. I think having Wes for one more year is a no brainer unless we can get someone monsterous in a package deal because we did overpay for Wes but that is the price when you steal someone.

    Ahhh, you kinda touched a bit of intriguing history here.  Many people think the Blazers knew a bit more about the Roy situation than they ever came close to leading on about and when they got Matthews, there was speculation it was done so to potentially replace Roy.  Whether true or not, that's history.  The question on the table is whether or not to trade Matthews and like you or someone else said, he represented us at the draft lottery yes?  I don't think Matthews is going anywhere.  

    These are exciting times, yes, but you all need to realize Portland has cleaned house like they never have in the history of the franchise.  

    The only real familiar faces on our team right now are L.A., Przy, Batum, and Matthews.  We don't even have a coach or GM.  

    I think if Matthews were leaving, he'd be gone by now.  No doubt Portland is showing massive loyalty to L.A. and they're building this team around him.  Right now the only guys L.A. has any chemistry with are those 3 guys and there's a good chance Portland won't pay to keep Batum, so I think Matthews needs to stay.  And I'm sure he'll stay on as the starting SG.  If Portland does anything in the draft, I think it'll be to trade up for Beal or maybe take a guy like Waiters... possibly Lamb, who knows, but those guys are going to provide depth, and in my opinion, they're going to take Crawford's spot, not Matthews, and the team at times will go small and put whomever they get on the court simultaneously with Matthews.  

    Yeah, we could kick around all sorts of intriguing offers, but you all really want to rely on a couple rookies and williams as our back-court?  Cuz that's essentially what's going to happen if Matthews is gone... well unless like cmeese says we trade with someone.  I'm not going to exclude it as a possibility and I'm not going to say they're bad ideas, but I really don't think it's in the cards.  And i personally think it'd be a bad move.  I can't speak for L.A, but I doubt he wants every familiar face gone.   and I don't want matthews gone either.  
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