Trail Blazers v. Thunder Game Thread
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 02/06/2012 11:45 AM

    Was Aldridge the best player (including Durant & Westbrook) on the floor tonight?
    YES (10)
     83%
    NO (2)
     17%


    February 6, 2012
    7:00 PM | Rose Garden Arena | Portland, OR
    Trail Blazers (14-10) v. Thunder (18-5)

    The schedule doesn't let up. After dispatching the West's No. 2 team on Saturday night, the Trail Blazers now look at the task of going up against the NBA's best team, record-wise, the Oklahoma City Thunder. OKC is a staggering 18-5 on the year, including a league-best 9-4 record on the road. They have won seven of their last 10 but did drop their last game, a 107-96 loss at San Antonio this past Saturday. So while the Thunder are on a five-game road trip, the Trail Blazers won't be getting any fatigue advantages tonight just as they did when they had Denver coming into town on the third game of a back-to-back-to-back.

    Oklahoma City is 9-1 at home. That one loss? A 10-point defeat at the hands of the Trail Blazers back on January 3rd, 2012. Considering their road woes, it's quite amazing that Portland has one of the best road wins of any team under their belts. But how did they do it? Three things: Free-throw attempts, 3-point efficient, and forcing Durant to play defense.

    In that contest, the Trail Blazers got to the line an astounding 36 times (made 29) compared to the Thunder's 21. On any  given night, just Westbrook and Durant alone can go to the line 20+ times but Portland played sound defense and didn't allow the OKC superstars to get into a rhythm at the charity stripe. It doesn't matter how many 3's the Trail Blazers take tonight, as long as they connect on at least 40% of them. On January 3rd, they were 6-15 (40%) compared to OKC's 5-20. While on Saturday against the Nuggets, it was a 3-point barrage (15-33, 45%). Finally, we need Crash to be Crash. Not only does he give Durant fits on offense by playing tough, physical defense but he foces KD to exert energy on the defensive end of the floor. In their last matchup, Gerald took the slimmer Durant down int othe post on numerous occasions in the fourth quarter which resulted in easy looks at the hoop. Durant is great, but he's not at the level of a LeBron James who can play both ends of the floor at an MVP pace, so look for Portland to go right at Durant early and often to wear him down.

    Also of note, Ray Felton's MRI on his sprained ankle was negative but he is listed as doubtful for tonight's game. After Saturday's win over Denver, Coach McMillan said if Felton couldn't go, he would look at Jamal Crawford as the starting point guard.

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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/06/2012 12:23 PM

    tonight's crowed chant is ALL-STAR AL-DRIDGE don't let me down rose garden. I will have surround sound on as i always do for home games to hear the best fans in the NBA as my team dominates.
  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 02/06/2012 1:59 PM

    Can't wait to see J.C. starting at the point.
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  1. Keisha
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    Posted 02/06/2012 2:12 PM

    Would love to see Nolan Smith start!!
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  1. Keisha
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    Posted 02/06/2012 2:12 PM

    Would love to hear that chant tonight!!! 
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 02/06/2012 6:53 PM

    Seattle drafted Kevin Durant, not Oklahoma City, that's a fact. Wiki it if you'd like to.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 02/06/2012 7:10 PM

    Posted By Tobyus Sanchezo on 02/06/2012 6:53 PM
    Seattle drafted Kevin Durant, not Oklahoma City, that's a fact. Wiki it if you'd like to.


    They are the same franchise, they moved from Seattle to OKC in 2008.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/06/2012 9:56 PM

    wow nice so we can go to the replay when it involves OKC getting the ball out of bounds but we dont check that clean block by LA where you GAVE the game to OKC refs? im so sick of the NBA and the way they manipulate games on national TV for their freaking hype teams. neato lamarcus shows up durrant in scoring and erases what should have been his last shot. but we'll just have little kevin and russie the game. those refs should be fired and russie better have some beer on his head for talking sh!t to our fans after they had the game handed to them on a silver platter.
  1. jasonr14
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    Posted 02/06/2012 10:01 PM

    The refs totally threw the game. The refs are what make the nba so bad. How much more evidence do you need for more replays. Also, when do we start questioning Nate? When it comes to blowouts he is like a coaching god, but when it gets close, he runs a horrible offense which looses us the game. Maybe Nate should just sit out on the 4th quarter and overtime of every game because it is just getting old after 4 or 5 years. 
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  1. BrainLL1
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    Posted 02/06/2012 10:31 PM

    I doesn't help that they were missing shots.  You can't win games if you can't make Baskets.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 02/06/2012 10:42 PM

    Durant & Westbrook shot a combined 25-57 while LA was 50% (14-28). To me, he was hands down the player of the game. They had absolutely no answer for him in the post. If it weren't for about 5 wide open jams on the fastbreak, Westbrook's FG% would have been in the twenties. We have our superstar big, now we need that elite wing. Let's hope free agency is good to us this time around!
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 02/07/2012 12:29 AM

    We don't need that elite wing in compliment of LA, we need the games to be about the SPORT, not the BUSINESS. Oklahoma played well, but they did not win the game.

    The refs won the game, specifically Scott Foster, and I'm not talking about just the goaltending call. At the RG tonight, there were 3 plays in the first half, 2 in the 4th quarter, and 1 in overtime, where the referees made VERY controversial calls in a clutch moment (for example, even in the first half, moments where we could've taken a lead instead of denied a bucket or giving up free throws). All 6 of these plays were shown in slow motion to the audience (within SECONDS of the action, so there is no argument for reviewing calls meaning a huge delay of the game), and were very obviously the wrong call (including the goaltending call, which would have ended the game if the refs CHOSE to review it). IF IF IF the refs CHOOSE to review any of these calls, then we're looking at a different game. But instead, inconsistent officiating plays a huge factor in a close game with conference implications.

    By the way, of the 6 calls I noted above, 4 of them were by the same ref (including the goaltending one). Scott Foster. He has had a reputation of biased officiating for decades, and was connected with Tim Donaghy, the NBA ref who retired in '07 amidst charges of betting on games where he officiated and influenced the spread. Tim Donaghy has stated that he and other refs participated in such unethical acts as betting between each other on "who would be the first to make a certain call". Scott Foster is one of those refs. Of all officials still working in the NBA, Scott Foster had the most contact with Donaghy, as shown by records of phone calls and emails. To think that Foster does not share perspective with Donaghy (and should be booted from officiating just to be careful) is pure ignorance on the part of the NBA, and pure spite on the part of David Stern. Scott Foster is the most unbalanced ref in the NBA. That's not opinion, his officiating history of controversial/wrong calls shows it. He should've been removed from his job as an NBA official years ago.

    Some people will want to argue that it wasn't just the refs, that the Blazers missed opportunities. That is accurate! Our players didn't take shots when they should've, made sloppy passes, and (other than Camby) didn't rebound.

    BUT, despite all that, we kept it close, and it doesn't change the fact that those opportunities may not have been needed, or even have occurred at all, if the game was officiated with more balance and consistency (and the ability to double check the ref's accuracy).

    EVERY OTHER SPORT played in this country at this level has made adjustments to their officiating within the last few years, due specifically to the video technology and capabilities of the 21st century. Examples... Football has given each team a person whose only job is to watch video, as the game plays out, and has a direct line to the coach to tell him when he sees a potential mistake made by the officials, and the coach has the right to request review. Hockey has an entire TEAM of officials that watch the live feeds of every single NHL game, and if a controversial call is made, this team can be literally called on the phone as an impartial, external party and be asked for the correct call. Even baseball and soccer have added a respective clause in their rulebooks, actually ENCOURAGING video reviews to ensure that the correct call is made more often in a tight situation, and "human error" as it's put in the officials' book (or "paid refs") will play less of a factor. Additionally in soccer, time can be added on to the end of a period (minutes at most, it's not going to change the pace or length of the game significantly so don't even make that argument) to make up for time taken for injury or reviewing plays.

     David Stern's refs are the ONLY refs in modern sport that have not had a system of checks placed on them.

    THE NBA HAS THE MOST OUTDATED OFFICIATING IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. That is a FACT.

    This is NOT just a Blazer fan that is fed up at a loss that should've (one way or another) been a win. This IS just a Sports fan who is sick of watching a game that SHOULD be about athleticism and coordination, being turned into a game of buying records and gambling for profits. Tim Donaghy may thankfully be gone from the NBA, but his poison in our game lives on, thanks to refs like Scott Foster, and David Stern's protection of them without asking them to be more accurate.

    We all hold players and coaches accountable for their actions, whether they make a mistake or not. In fact ALL OF US are responsible for our mistakes, as decided by laws, no matter what our intention might have been. Officials may have a tough job, but they are NOT INFALLIBLE. They are very human in fact, just like the rest of us.

    HOLD REFS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CALLS. THIS HAS TO END.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 02/07/2012 12:38 AM

    Hey, it was a crappy call, but so what? It was 0-0 in overtime, and the Thunder kept dunkin' it on us. There is a thing called getting back on defense and beating your man down the court. Clearly Portland struggled with that all night.

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 02/07/2012 12:44 AM

    think I just heard these numbers... of our 11 losses, 7 of them have been decided by 5 points or less. Part of that could be inconsistent officiating, and part of it could definitely be our players.

    So, just food for thought... if you take back 3 losses (less than half of our 7 losses that have been decided by 5 or less) due to inaccurate officials making calls that wrongly decide games... suddenly we're sitting at 17-8. I'm not taking all blame off the Blazers, I'm not saying it's against Portland specifically, and I'm not trying to say this doesn't happen to other teams. I do think the evidence would show that it happens less to the "top-tier" teams and more to everyone else... But if anything like we saw tonight has happened in other games at all, then I think a 3 game swing isn't unrealistic. And right now, if we were 17-8, that would put us at about 2nd in the west, and we'd be seen as the only team that will be able to give OKC a challenge... yeah, I think that sounds pretty realistic too.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 02/07/2012 12:57 AM

    Tobyus, I was not talkin about the one call (assuming you mean the goaltending, which in this case was obviously wrong after review, and yes, that one call would have made all the difference in this game), but I was talkin about the overall inconsistency of the NBA officiating, and the fact that no measure has been put in place to bring our officials up to the standard of modern sports.

    I agree with you that the Blazers had alot of trouble controlling OKC's fast break, but again, if the refs' calls were more consistently accurate, then what seems like something Portland "clearly struggled" with turns into something that ALMOST was a problem. Chances are, we wouldn't have even had an overtime at all, because if for no other change but that "one call", then we would've won by 2 and walked away, perfect defense or otherwise.

    So yes, it was just a crappy call, and yes, our guys could've given 110% hustle on every play like we all hope for, and maybe changed the result. But, is it important to avoid letting human error influence a key decision, essentially coin-flipping for a result, when all the tools necessary to ensure accuracy are readily available? YES. YES, IT MOST DEFINITELY IS. It is VERY IMPORTANT that the NBA catches up with the 21st century, and remains being about athletic sport, not an old man's eyesight in a fraction of a second.

    At the very least, it's not unreasonable. It's just asking Stern to modernize the game.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/07/2012 7:16 AM

    agreed with blazer247


    the last 3 playoff series i've watched you can hand at least 1 blazer loss to officiating. as it sits we will probably face okc in first round this year and i can guarantee some horrible calls and a portland fishing trip. foster has already proven to be shady and the only reason players and coaches dont say what everyone is thinking is because stern will fine them. as someone who has loved basketball since before i can remember it's games like this that cause me to go back to watching college ball and give up on the NBA as having any sort of credibility.
  1. uprised
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    Posted 02/07/2012 8:15 AM

    When a team expends that much energy coming back from a 10 (12?) point deficit against one of the best teams in the NBA, they are tired.  That call gave the game to OKC.  There is just no two ways about it.  You can argue all you want about what the Blazers did or did not do during regulation and OT.  The fact remains, that was the wrong call, it was a bad call, and it cost the Blazers the game.  
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 02/07/2012 8:15 AM

    When a team expends that much energy coming back from a 10 (12?) point deficit against one of the best teams in the NBA, they are tired.  That call gave the game to OKC.  There is just no two ways about it.  You can argue all you want about what the Blazers did or did not do during regulation and OT.  The fact remains, that was the wrong call, it was a bad call, and it cost the Blazers the game.  
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 02/07/2012 9:03 AM

    All the complaining about the refs doesn't get us that win. Yeah it was a bad call, but at the same time we are bad at the end of games. We have poor execution and it seems that if our first option gets shut down we tend to not have a plan b. I think we could work on end of the game execution in practices, but it seems teams haven't had much time to practice this season. Just hope Nate gets this team some practice on these end of the game type play. Yes L.A was the best player on the court tonight.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/07/2012 9:58 AM

    no complaining about the officiating doesnt make it a win but this isnt north korea either, we dont have to sit here and just accept it. the players and coaches get fined if they speak up so as a fan of the SPORT when something like this happens i feel a responsibility to say hey remember it's a SPORT and i dont want people turning it into a manipulated betting scenario. the blazers were favored by 1 in the odds, a perfect chance for scott foster to make some extra money on the side. fire that guy immediately and let's move on with the season.
  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 02/07/2012 10:50 AM

    Kenny, obviously we all know the game is done and "complaining about the refs doesn't get us that win", but if you read the posts above you, then you'd see that's not the point at all.

    The game is over. We lost. Whether that's directly pinnable on an official for making a bad call and not changing it when he knew he was wrong, OR directly on LaMarcus or Jamal or Batum for not making clutch plays, OR some combination of both of those factors and maybe others... the point is that BAD OFFICIATING played a decisive role in the outcome of the game, and in the 21st century with all of our cameras, THERE ARE NO EXCUSES LEFT TO ALLOW FOR INACCURATE OFFICIATING.

    I'm so SICK of hearing people say "oh well, did what we could and it wasn't enough". The fact is, we did what we could and it WAS enough, IF IF IF the rules of the game are followed CONSISTENTLY and not allowed to vary from one call to the next based on the eyesight and judgement of an old man in a fraction of a second.

    Here's the thing; if there is a human ref out there with an absolutely unblemished record for making correct calls... if he's young and sharp, knows the game inside and out, has incredible 20/5 eyesight so he can see it extra clearly, and has no emotional/personal preference of one team or the other... HE WILL STILL GET CALLS WRONG. No ref in the history of reffing is good enough to see every detail needed to make every call in a fraction of a second, without any assistance. NO ONE. EVER.

    So, if the best theoretical ref possible will still have trouble making those kind of calls accurately, and if it's still true that the ref's job is to ensure FAIR AND EQUAL PLAY in the game (not just to play the role of a 3rd party opinion when there's a disagreement on the floor, but to ensure FAIR AND EQUAL PLAY), and we're living in an age where high-quality video cameras are recording every single play from half a dozen different angles...

    THERE ARE NO EXCUSES LEFT TO ALLOW FOR INACCURATE OFFICIATING.

    I'm not complaining about the refs to try and "get us that win" like you said, because the game is obviously done.

    I'm complaining about the refs to try and ensure that when we win in the future, that it actually COUNTS as a win, no matter what one man sees, and no matter how much he gets paid (or by who) to make that decision.

    Think of it as the 3 branches of government; legislative, judicial, and executive. The League is like our legislative branch -- it comes up with the laws/rules and devises a system to enforce it. The VIDEOCAMERAS, NOT THE REFS, should be our judicial branch -- they have the most unbiased views/opinions possible, making them the most capable to show evidence accurately and fairly.
    Therefore, the refs should be used solely as the executive branch -- they are there to decipher the evidence presented, translate it as the laws/rules apply, and execute the laws/rules to ensure fairness TO ALLLLLLLLLL, not just to the teams/players with the highest value to the league and it's promotion.
    Currently, the refs are allowed to act as the judicial and executive branches, giving them a level of responsibility AND infallibility that not only is less frequent in other parts of our society, but it is looked down upon and seen as CORRUPTION in other circumstances. When legislation is passed in our country, it is NOT the responsibility of any single individual to see the evidence clearly, pass judgement, and execute consequences. Those all fall on different parties, to ensure impartial opinions.
    For example, when a police officer witnesses a crime (like a video camera would in basketball), he performs an assessment of the scenario based on the legislation, and acts accordingly (apprehending violators to ensure they pay the consequences, just like a videocamera would 'catch you redhanded'). He does NOT, in most cases, get to decide the specific outcome that will be given to reprimand the violation. That is up to a judge (or ref).
    In the same scenario, the judge would not be allowed to assess the scene, finger the suspect, AND execute a judgement of consequences. It's just unfair and leaves too much room for bias, or the fact that one man just can't get all the information accurately by himself.
    If we were to allow police officers or judges to have the power (and responsibility) that NBA refs have, then we'd be living out scenes from Judge Dredd. And we certainly should be holding our sportsleague to a higher standard than some 90's-anarchy-future-sci-fi-movie, even if it was starring Sly Stallone.

    David Stern, PLEASE help us catch up with the rest of Sports, and move basketball into the 21st century.

    Once again...
    THERE ARE NO EXCUSES LEFT TO ALLOW FOR INACCURATE OFFICIATING.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 02/07/2012 11:38 AM

    stern wont hear your plea he's too busy counting his money from kia thanks to all his marketing schemes and his poster boy blake. the NBA is just another corrupt business, i think im going to go occupy the locker room. (hopefully get some sweet sigs)
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