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DHawes22
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Posted 03/16/2011 3:45 PM

Should LA Finish In The Top 5 Of MVP Voting?
Yes- He's carrying the Blazers to the playoffs right now (91)
76%
No- Just too many good players still in the discussion ahead of him (28)
24%

In today's ESPN Awards Watch, LaMarcus Aldridge was listed 10th on their ballot. Their list, in it's entirety went something like this: Rose, James, Howard, Bryant, Nowitzki, Durant, Wade, Garnett, Paul, Aldridge. I'd make the argument that Aldridge should be above James, Wade, Garnett, and Paul right from the get-go.

While LeBron and Dwyane are better players individually, the Heat's season so far has to be determined to be somewhat disappointing. They are 46-21 on the year, good enough for 3rd in the East, and would have to go 15-0 to finish the regular season with the same record LeBron had with the Cavs last year. Should a team featuring two of the top 3 players in the League have a much more dominant grip on the rest of the NBA?

The main difference between the candidates from Portland (Aldridge) & Miami (LeBron & Wade) is that for the Blazers to go strong and perform, LA needs to put up numbers. When Portland waltzed into Miami on March 8th, LeBron and Wade combined for 69 points but ended up losing by 9. On the other hand, LA dropped a cool 26 and had 5 other teammates in double figures. What does that tell you? LA makes his teammates better. With him working on the blocks effectively, it opens up clear attempts for his team. According to basketball-reference, when LA scores 25 points or more, the Trail Blazers are 18-6. While the Heat are 23-13 when LeBron scores 25+. That might sound like a decent record, but when you take into account Miami has lost just 21 times, that means 72% of Miami's losses come when he scores 25 or more while Portland only falters 21% of the time when LA hits the 25 point barrier. Conversely, when Wade scores 25 or more, the Heat are 28-9, a much better result than when LeBron does so. If the Heat were more domiant, I'd easily put Wade above Aldridge. But LeBron most likely won't match his regular season wins mark with "The Heatles" that he set last year with a mediocre Cavs team, it diminishes not only him but Wade as well.

I get it, Garnett does things that don't show up in the box score. He has the intangibles, the intensity, the leadership that push Boston to the upper-echelon in the NBA. And I agree, someone from the C's needs to be in the discussion, because they are atop the East with Chicago. But now the Celtics are a well-oiled machine who can plus and replace parts on the fly. Is KG really their most valuable player? A player playing only 31 minutes a night and posting 15 and 9? Personally, i think Rondo is the engine that runs their machine, but that's just me.

Again, I have no problem with Chris Paul being in the discussion for MVP, just not ahead of Aldridge. Paul's scoring (16.3) is his lowest output since his rookie year in 2005-06 (16.1), he's failed to average double-digit assists (9.7) for the first time since 2007 and his field goal percentage (47.3%) is the lowest since then as well. If the Hornets were able to keep up with their blistering pace they set (11-1), then he is hands-down the MVP. Taking a team from lottery to the top seed out West would have been nothing short of a miracle. But, his production has fallen off as has his team's play. Unlike LeBron, the Hornets go as CP3 goes. New Orleans is only 8-12 since the beginning of February and instead of thinking home-court advantage for the first round, they are just hoping to make in the postseason.

So if we put LA above those 4, that would leave Aldridge at 6th, with Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowtizki & Kevin Durant ahead. The question I pose to all of you is, "Should LA be in the Top 5 of MVP voting?" If so, who do you slide down? I made my case for Aldridge being above LeBron, Wade, Paul & KG. Is there a case to be made for him to move up even higher? Right now? I can't see it. Rose, Bryant and Howard are easily the top 3 candidates right now in my mind and would take something of catastrophic proportions for them to drop out now. But, if OKC or Dallas falter down the stretch and Aldridge continues to post numbers while the Blazers climb the Western Conference ladder, then we can talk.

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Should LA Finish In The Top 5 Of MVP Voting?
Yes- He's carrying the Blazers to the playoffs right now (91)
76%
No- Just too many good players still in the discussion ahead of him (28)
24%

Herr
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Posted 03/16/2011 4:06 PM
Great thread. 6th sounds fine. The only person I'd say that could slip is KD, but he's the poster boy for the NBA, and you can't argue with his value to the team. I thought maybe the Thunder would lose some games (and they did against good teams) when they traded away their third option, but they're still cruising for homecourt. I donno, I'd feel like a hypocrite if LA was placed over KD since I was mad that a lower record, worse player got the ASG over LMA.

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supereagle20
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Posted 03/16/2011 8:03 PM
1. Derrick Rose CHI 2. Amar'e Stoudemire NY 3. LaMarcus Aldridge POR 4. Kevin Love MIN 5. Blake Griffin LAC. Notice how I didn't put LeBron or KD on it. I didn't put them on there because they're not carrying the whole team. KD's getting help from Russell Westbrook and LeBron has Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade. Sure they're their teams leading scorer but that doesn't mean they should be the MVP.

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BDawg
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Posted 03/16/2011 8:32 PM
No other team in the league has faced the adversity Portland has this season, and from those ashes has emerged the new and improved LA, carrying his team on his back, playing more minutes than any other player in the league. Aldridge has EARNED the right to be in the conversation, and should he finish the year in February form, should (and will) be in contention. Nuff said.

MIP considerations as well, IMO.

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Herr
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Posted 03/16/2011 10:04 PM
lynx are you for real? Amar'e, Love, and Griffin? I don't agree with LeBron being 2nd or whatever he is but Love and Griffin? Love has like what, 17 wins and has been stat padding. Griffin, post all-star, has been silent and his team is likely going to end with a worse season than last season.

Those guys do not deserve to be MvPs because they haven't done anything that the guys on the list has been. Amar'e on the other hand may have "revived" the Knicks, but his team is like 34-32. 2 games above .500 and is leading the Knicks to being the worst defensive team in the league. They're only right ahead of Minnesota by .7 opp ppg, and that's because Love stat pads for rebounds so he doesn't play defense.

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Posted 03/17/2011 2:43 AM
Aldridge is definitely top 10. Definitely ahead of James, Wade and Paul imo. I still can't get over what a huge difference his game is from every other year he has played.

And Love and Griffin?!?!?!?!?!?! What the

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machwonder
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Posted 03/17/2011 4:20 PM
When I came in here last year almost all of you were on the crucifiction bandwagon of LA. I really didn't get it, I thought he was a very good player at the time. Now he has really stepped up his game, largely due to the absence of Roy. Last year it was trade LA, trade LA by most of you. Well, it's nice to see you are finally noticing what a tremendous talent he is. I have always been a LA fan, and sure, he deserves mention as an MVP candidate. For the last several years he has been Portland's best player, not Roy, IMO... He's a workhorse!

TayC
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Posted 03/17/2011 6:19 PM
griffin has better averages for his stats.
i would say aldridge love and griffin all have the same amount of impact on their teams performance as well.
bron has "okay" sats for this season with only 27/ 7.5/7. but he has a pretty legit shooting percentage for him......
and wade is right behind bron.

but i think it will go to howard or dirk to be honest.
i want Dwight to get it.

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Lapinnoir
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Posted 03/18/2011 2:51 AM
I think he should gun for 6th and maybe pick up a few votes this year and hopefully next year he can be in serious contention go LA. the more I think about it the better it sounds yeah 6th is about right.

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Symokoto
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Posted 03/18/2011 10:25 AM
I'm with Lapinnoir on this one. While I Love Aldridge and what he has done this year, the Blazers have been more of a concerted team effort since the break rather than the one-man show LA was putting on before it for several games. Right now I would rank the MVP candidates like this:

D-Rose
Dwight Howard
Dirk Nowitzki
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Durant
LeBron James
LaMarcus Aldridge

I think that LA has more to do with his team's success right now, and lifting them above expectations, than LeBron, who is trying to keep the Heat within expectations (and failing). KD earns a nod because of a better record for OKC and better stats, and my own belief that if he goes his team would sink fast, regardless of Westbrook's stellar play. So I can definitely see LA moving up to 6th, and possibly further if Dallas or Orlando continue to have mini-slides while we rise.

machwonder
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Posted 03/18/2011 11:03 AM
Skmokoto, I would agree with your list. LA deserves mention,but we all know he's not going to win. He is having a MVP mention kind of year, but he's really having an All Star kind of year. He should have made the All Star team and most know it. I see good things to come for LaMarcus in the future. He's a great player and Portland is lucky to have him.

sedare
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Posted 03/18/2011 11:13 AM
Well ignoring the LOL comment with Love Griffin and Amare in the top5...
I agree that LA should be 6/7. Even NBA.com has had him at 8th for 2 or 3 weeks straight now. Above Paul, and just barely below Wade. Even LBJ is 5th on theirs KD is 6th. For now, I would be content with MIP for LA. Next season will be his chance to real chance for LA to make a 2nd push, and head into a league of his own at the PF position. When you look at the lists that we have available....
Rose - PG
Dwight - C
Dirk - PF
Kobe - SG/SF
LBJ - SF
KD - SF
Wade - SG
Paul - PG
Westbrook ( Honorable mention on NBA.com list ) - PG
Garnett - PF but hes not even on the top 10 there.

So below Dirk (who I really hate playing against in the playoffs) LA seems to be the next best PF in the league, based on stats, and attitude. I wish I could say he is better then Dirk... but then again, Dirk is older and more mature. LA is just now, coming into his own, with years ahead of him where he can improve even more so. His all around game is far superior to any other PF options in the league right now.

Just my .99 cents :p

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TayC
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Posted 03/18/2011 4:51 PM
wow so now its not even about if aldridge is MVP or not, we are going to worry about what position in the race he is......

hahahahaha

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DHawes22
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Posted 03/19/2011 1:03 PM
LA's 8th on NBA.com's Race to the MVP

Last Week's Rank - 8
OK, so it came against Cleveland. But Aldridge's 20 points and 11 rebounds Thursday required only 10 field-goal attempts -- with just one jump shot, as he dominated the Cavs inside.
If anything, Aldridge is proving he should get consideration for the All-NBA team, if not first, than second at worst.

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TayC
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Posted 03/19/2011 3:36 PM
oh he will for sure be on the 2nd team. as far as the first team goes.....ehh...
but if blake keeps grabbing better stats that aldridge then he for sure isnt going to make the first team.
Griffin is grabbing better stats than aldridge and thats why he has the "grounds" to be on the first team (if and when that happens) just so ya'll dont think its a conspiracy)

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barnettfan
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Posted 03/20/2011 3:01 PM
I just got back from a trip to Nashville where I had to stay about a 2 weeks. I was sitting in a bar watching a college basketball game. There was a long time Knicks fan, a band wagon Heat fan, and a Bulls fan and of course a Blazer fan 8+). The discussion went along the lines of Rose and of course Lebron, and Amare. When I mentioned Lamarcus and the Blazers the Knicks fan told me," you know with all the hype in the NBA you forget about the Blazers until they come to play your team". We both agreed that the MVP should go tto the person who helps their team the most. By the time I left the agreement was the fight between Rose and Aldridge for MVP. The Blazers are starting to get noticed out east, I dont think Lamarcus will get the MVP this year ,although in my eyes he should,it is a popularity contest and has been for along time. The team really needs to get past the first round for him to have any chance next year.

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HoorawRPwnage
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Posted 03/21/2011 12:40 PM
I just noticed this but LMA is the only Non All-Star player and Blake Griffin and Kevin Love aren't even in the conversation. I think that this is just PROOF that LMA truly did get snubbed of a place on the All-Star team

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Kaleb Carr
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Posted 03/21/2011 2:08 PM
Kevin Love and Blake Griffin?? you must be high.

Jestatom
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Posted 03/21/2011 2:28 PM
I think he should def be in the top 10. Top 5 might be a streatch. Lot's of good players out there.. maybe 5th or 6th. But we are a Western team that doesn't reside in L.A. so we will once again get snubbed and he won't even have any consideration. It's sad.

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HoorawRPwnage
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Posted 03/21/2011 2:45 PM
I said that Blake Griffin and Kevin Love ARE NOT in the conversation, so it proves that LMA was snubbed of an All-Star spot

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TayC
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Posted 03/21/2011 8:15 PM

Posted By HoorawRPwnage on 03/21/2011 12:40 PM
I just noticed this but LMA is the only Non All-Star player and Blake Griffin and Kevin Love aren't even in the conversation. I think that this is just PROOF that LMA truly did get snubbed of a place on the All-Star team

Wow.
Thats because the players who were elected to the ASG, are amazing players, they deserved to be there but not every player in the NBA can participate.
Aldridge has had a GREAT season, but he is not an individual force to be reckoned with such as the ASG players are.
Look at how Aldridge gets things done, He is 8 centimeters away from 7 ft tall, rebounding is not a problem, yet aldridge cant even avg a double dub.
most of his points are off the pass. i mean its clear to see that he is FORTUNATE as heck to be considered a member in the MvP race, yet the lot of you are so demanding and upset about the ASG, that you believe this should come standard.
He may be the best player in Portland or the best one in your eyes, but Portland isnt the only team and you aint the only set of eyes.......

Blake Griffin in my opinion should be considered in the MvP race, the amount of effort he has displayed in his rookie season, the vets he balled on and the impact he has had with his team and the rest of the nba. but his team is his downfall,

Like what if i were like you and complained that the NBA was so biased against low ranking teams that they dont even size up the individual effort one player gives along with the impact he has, not allowing him to ever win the MvP.

Just be happy at what this team has accomplished, after letting all the air out of their hopes for a championships early on in the season to what they have established now. they are in the playoffs after the lot of you were ready to "give up and rebuild"
but no its never enough with ya'll

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TJ31
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Posted 03/21/2011 8:47 PM
TayC have you seen a Blazers game before? Then how could you not have seen the low post game that LA has developed in the past year? I don't see how you could say LA gets most of his points off the pass, when he has a better low post game and scores more than Love and Griffin from the block. He can consistantly hit the fade-away jumper or the running hook, which Griffin and Love can't. Also the league MVP should have enough of an impact that his team should be at least contending for a playoff spot. (look at Lebron with Cleveland last year, they won 40 more games than they will this year). I'm not as upset as other Blazer fans though about the ASG snub. The game doesn't mean anything and people shouldn't be worrying about personal accolades they should be worrying about the team getting W's and getting out of the first round.

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TJ31
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Posted 03/21/2011 8:47 PM
TayC have you seen a Blazers game before? Then how could you not have seen the low post game that LA has developed in the past year? I don't see how you could say LA gets most of his points off the pass, when he has a better low post game and scores more than Love and Griffin from the block. He can consistantly hit the fade-away jumper or the running hook, which Griffin and Love can't. Also the league MVP should have enough of an impact that his team should be at least contending for a playoff spot. (look at Lebron with Cleveland last year, they won 40 more games than they will this year). I'm not as upset as other Blazer fans though about the ASG snub. The game doesn't mean anything and people shouldn't be worrying about personal accolades they should be worrying about the team getting W's and getting out of the first round.

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barnettfan
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Posted 03/21/2011 11:55 PM
MVP should be about if you take that player out of the team what effect would it have on the team. Remove Blakenstein from the clippers and what would you have? they are 29 and what ? ok give him 10 games, still better than Cleveland who just gave up. Pull Durant out of the line up and what do you have? 8th seed instead of 4th seed? Pull Lebron out of the mix and what do you have? same record no differance same with Wade. Rose is gone for the Bulls probably 8th seed maybe better instead of tying for 1st. LaMarcus stepped up without Roy,and Camby, Pendergraph,Joel and Oden he has played 2 positions and over 40 minutes a game for how long? So where would the Blazers be without Lamarcus right now? dam sure would not be in the Playoff picture maybe 8th seed. Him getting his points off passes well that just tells me he has a point guard that knows what the hell he is doing.Oh yeah I guess Assists dont mean anything in the NBA I forgot it is not a team sport.Sorry John Stockton,Jerry West,Bob Cousey you guys suck you only know how to pass to people who are open.

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Posted 03/22/2011 2:06 AM
But Tay has a high basketball IQ, so don't argue with him.
Also Lamarcus has stepped up his defense this year a bunch. Something that both Love or Griffin don't do well. Griffin may get better, but I doubt if Love ever will. Also I noticed Lamarcus is hitting some big shots at the end of games now as well. He's been huge for the Blazers this year. I'm not saying he should be the league MVP this year, but he is definitely in the top ten.

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Posted 03/22/2011 2:09 AM
P.S. Tay, even Lesbron himself said that Aldridge was the biggest All Star snub in recent years. I'm surprised you didn't hear him say that while you were sucking at his teet.

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machwonder
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Posted 03/23/2011 4:34 PM

Posted By TJ31 on 03/21/2011 8:47 PM
TayC have you seen a Blazers game before? Then how could you not have seen the low post game that LA has developed in the past year? I don't see how you could say LA gets most of his points off the pass, when he has a better low post game and scores more than Love and Griffin from the block. He can consistantly hit the fade-away jumper or the running hook, which Griffin and Love can't. Also the league MVP should have enough of an impact that his team should be at least contending for a playoff spot. (look at Lebron with Cleveland last year, they won 40 more games than they will this year). I'm not as upset as other Blazer fans though about the ASG snub. The game doesn't mean anything and people shouldn't be worrying about personal accolades they should be worrying about the team getting W's and getting out of the first round.

Excellent post! You've got a very good eye for the game and great insight. How old are you? You look 15 or so if that is your pic. on your post. If Portland can continue to play like they have lately, do you think they can advance in round one? Stupid mistakes down the stretch cost them the game at LA. If they can clean this up who knows, they could even beat the Lakers in the play-offs if and when we face them.

machwonder
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Posted 03/23/2011 5:02 PM

Posted By TomL on 03/22/2011 2:06 AM
But Tay has a high basketball IQ, so don't argue with him.
Also Lamarcus has stepped up his defense this year a bunch. Something that both Love or Griffin don't do well. Griffin may get better, but I doubt if Love ever will. Also I noticed Lamarcus is hitting some big shots at the end of games now as well. He's been huge for the Blazers this year. I'm not saying he should be the league MVP this year, but he is definitely in the top ten.
What??? Isn't that why were here? After two seasons in the league Love won't get any better? Here's a clue, we are here to argue if disagreements pop up. I didn't know you couldn't respond to certain people here who might have a higher BB IQ. How do we find this out since you brought it up? Is there a thread here to check? lol!!

machwonder
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Posted 03/23/2011 5:12 PM
I agree with TJ31, and I don't think Aldridge even cares. He's more concerned with winning and getting past the first round, IMO. Course, I guess you'd have to ask him to really know.

machwonder
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Posted 03/23/2011 5:16 PM

Posted By barnettfan on 03/21/2011 11:55 PM
MVP should be about if you take that player out of the team what effect would it have on the team. Remove Blakenstein from the clippers and what would you have? they are 29 and what ? ok give him 10 games, still better than Cleveland who just gave up. Pull Durant out of the line up and what do you have? 8th seed instead of 4th seed? Pull Lebron out of the mix and what do you have? same record no differance same with Wade. Rose is gone for the Bulls probably 8th seed maybe better instead of tying for 1st. LaMarcus stepped up without Roy,and Camby, Pendergraph,Joel and Oden he has played 2 positions and over 40 minutes a game for how long? So where would the Blazers be without Lamarcus right now? dam sure would not be in the Playoff picture maybe 8th seed. Him getting his points off passes well that just tells me he has a point guard that knows what the hell he is doing.Oh yeah I guess Assists dont mean anything in the NBA I forgot it is not a team sport.Sorry John Stockton,Jerry West,Bob Cousey you guys suck you only know how to pass to people who are open.

You forgot Magic Johnson, the best point guard/player in NBA history IMO. He did more for his team than anyone including Jordan.

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Posted 03/23/2011 7:00 PM

Posted By TJ31 on 03/21/2011 8:47 PM
TayC have you seen a Blazers game before? Then how could you not have seen the low post game that LA has developed in the past year? I don't see how you could say LA gets most of his points off the pass, when he has a better low post game and scores more than Love and Griffin from the block. He can consistantly hit the fade-away jumper or the running hook, which Griffin and Love can't. Also the league MVP should have enough of an impact that his team should be at least contending for a playoff spot. (look at Lebron with Cleveland last year, they won 40 more games than they will this year). I'm not as upset as other Blazer fans though about the ASG snub. The game doesn't mean anything and people shouldn't be worrying about personal accolades they should be worrying about the team getting W's and getting out of the first round.
Actually i have been to a Blazer game before, i have been to two in my life, one a while back against the Lake Show, and one this season Against the Blake Show, where i saw mr griffins NBA debut.
Now what i can tell you is that i dont get to see every play by play or every game, nor do i pretend to, but i do know that Aldridge before this season was less than a 50% shooter, either down low or on the mid range jumper.
What i have seen this year, is Yeah Aldridge has made a lot more of his shots, but to call him more constant than Blake Griffin or Kevin Love.....

TJ31 have you seen a Clipper Game before? Doubtful, then how could you know the constancy about Blake and his shots, because i will tell you what, this kid is hittin his shots, and he is able to move down low faster than Aldridge ever dreamed of. I mean i dont come up with this stuff out of thin air.

LaMarcus is far from perfect with his shooting, but he is getting a heck of a lot better. But i can see that you missed the entire point of my post so thats okay this was good sport. Aldridge has had a great season, But Overall, AS a ROOKIE, i think Blake has had a much more outstanding season.

Well thats because i dont ride peoples nuts as hard as you bro....
do you ever cease chasing tail, like Match. com is still up and there are hot single's in the Portland Community, you don have to keep calling my house.

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TJ31
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Posted 03/24/2011 8:09 PM

Posted By TayC on 03/23/2011 7:00 PM

Posted By TJ31 on 03/21/2011 8:47 PM
TayC have you seen a Blazers game before? Then how could you not have seen the low post game that LA has developed in the past year? I don't see how you could say LA gets most of his points off the pass, when he has a better low post game and scores more than Love and Griffin from the block. He can consistantly hit the fade-away jumper or the running hook, which Griffin and Love can't. Also the league MVP should have enough of an impact that his team should be at least contending for a playoff spot. (look at Lebron with Cleveland last year, they won 40 more games than they will this year). I'm not as upset as other Blazer fans though about the ASG snub. The game doesn't mean anything and people shouldn't be worrying about personal accolades they should be worrying about the team getting W's and getting out of the first round.
Actually i have been to a Blazer game before, i have been to two in my life, one a while back against the Lake Show, and one this season Against the Blake Show, where i saw mr griffins NBA debut.
Now what i can tell you is that i dont get to see every play by play or every game, nor do i pretend to, but i do know that Aldridge before this season was less than a 50% shooter, either down low or on the mid range jumper.
What i have seen this year, is Yeah Aldridge has made a lot more of his shots, but to call him more constant than Blake Griffin or Kevin Love.....

TJ31 have you seen a Clipper Game before? Doubtful, then how could you know the constancy about Blake and his shots, because i will tell you what, this kid is hittin his shots, and he is able to move down low faster than Aldridge ever dreamed of. I mean i dont come up with this stuff out of thin air.

LaMarcus is far from perfect with his shooting, but he is getting a heck of a lot better. But i can see that you missed the entire point of my post so thats okay this was good sport. Aldridge has had a great season, But Overall, AS a ROOKIE, i think Blake has had a much more outstanding season.

Well thats because i dont ride peoples nuts as hard as you bro....
do you ever cease chasing tail, like Match. com is still up and there are hot single's in the Portland Community, you don have to keep calling my house.

I don't understand how you can say Blake Griffin is more consistant than Lamarcus. Griffin averages a FG% of 50.4% while LA averages 50%, pretty even. Griffin scores 22.4 a game while Aldridge scores 22.2. Griffin may be more athletic, better vertical, maybe a little quicker, but Aldridge still gets it done as well as him. Aldridge scores as well as Griffin with a lot more talent to fall back on. If Aldridge was on a team that needed scoring help as much as LAC he'd be averaging more, garunteed. LA is also a lot better defensive player with over a steal and block per game, while Griffin has half that. So to say Griffin is better or deserves the MVP on a team that has less then thirty wins is riduculous.

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TayC
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Posted 03/24/2011 9:22 PM
except for the the fact that when talking about power forwards, rebounding is a huge part of their game and you left out how lamarcus aldridge is a 7ft tall 5 year vet who is averaging 8 something boards per game and blake has a staggering 12, oh and there is just that one tiny detail that i love to mention...

HES A ROOKIE!!! he is ballin harder than some of these "best players in the nba" type guys....
But what you are basically here...
If Aldridge was on a team that needed scoring help as much as LAC he'd be averaging more, garunteed
is that lamarcus doesnt score as much as he could every game? doesnt that seem a bit weird? why would he hold back if he is easily the strongest point of this teams offense.....maybe he should then the team wouldnt hand games over.

but as i had mentioned earlier

Blake Griffin in my opinion should be considered in the MvP race, the amount of effort he has displayed in his rookie season, the vets he balled on and the impact he has had with his team and the rest of the nba. but his team is his downfall,

Like what if i were like you and complained that the NBA was so biased against low ranking teams that they dont even size up the individual effort one player gives along with the impact he has, not allowing him to ever win the MvP.

but yeah it totally is rediculous, the dude is ballin harder if not just as hard as the dudes in the race right now, but due to his team, he is just a subway sandwich car hopping bandwagon.

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Posted 03/25/2011 12:39 AM

Posted By machwonder on 03/23/2011 5:02 PM

Posted By TomL on 03/22/2011 2:06 AM
But Tay has a high basketball IQ, so don't argue with him.
Also Lamarcus has stepped up his defense this year a bunch. Something that both Love or Griffin don't do well. Griffin may get better, but I doubt if Love ever will. Also I noticed Lamarcus is hitting some big shots at the end of games now as well. He's been huge for the Blazers this year. I'm not saying he should be the league MVP this year, but he is definitely in the top ten.
What??? Isn't that why were here? After two seasons in the league Love won't get any better? Here's a clue, we are here to argue if disagreements pop up. I didn't know you couldn't respond to certain people here who might have a higher BB IQ. How do we find this out since you brought it up? Is there a thread here to check? lol!!

Here's a clue... it's called sarcasm. Also Love is in his 3rd year and I was saying I doubt his defense will get better. I'm sure he will get better, but not much on defense.Thats just my opinion.

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Brandon Weinant
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Posted 03/25/2011 11:02 AM

LMA isnt going to be MVP of the league this year and probally never. hes easily along with miller MVP of the blazers team though.

griffin/love wont be cocidered for MVP because just like the allstar game. MVP comes from a winning team. one that is going to make the playoffs.
oh wait my bad. apparently that rule doesnt work for the allstar game anymore... like it used to.

i will have to agree with whomever said.
"if LMA was on the clippers he would have more chances to score because of the differences in players around him."
lol especially now that baron davis isn't a clipper anymore.
but that would never happen. why?

because.

LMA > griffin/love/bosh

I am a fan of defence.

machwonder
Posts: 92

Posted 03/25/2011 2:16 PM

Posted By TomL on 03/25/2011 12:39 AM

Posted By machwonder on 03/23/2011 5:02 PM

Posted By TomL on 03/22/2011 2:06 AM
But Tay has a high basketball IQ, so don't argue with him.
Also Lamarcus has stepped up his defense this year a bunch. Something that both Love or Griffin don't do well. Griffin may get better, but I doubt if Love ever will. Also I noticed Lamarcus is hitting some big shots at the end of games now as well. He's been huge for the Blazers this year. I'm not saying he should be the league MVP this year, but he is definitely in the top ten.
What??? Isn't that why were here? After two seasons in the league Love won't get any better? Here's a clue, we are here to argue if disagreements pop up. I didn't know you couldn't respond to certain people here who might have a higher BB IQ. How do we find this out since you brought it up? Is there a thread here to check? lol!!

Here's a clue... it's called sarcasm. Also Love is in his 3rd year and I was saying I doubt his defense will get better. I'm sure he will get better, but not much on defense.Thats just my opinion.

OK, I believe Love will get better on defense. I mean, don't you think his coaches will be working with him regarding defense? Or do you think his coaches talk about what he ate for dinner last night instead of coaching him? Sorry for the sarcasm, I couldn't resist. Your opinion is noted....
He's in his 3rd year huh, good for you. I learned something here.

TayC
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Posted 03/25/2011 3:53 PM
yet amongst all this chaos there is still no eveidence to really support this statement.

LMA > griffin/love/bosh

it all still opinionated.
Like Aldridge is great, but after seeing how good blake griffin really is, after seeing him not only rise above the hype, but over a car as well....hhahaha, i dont know and Bosh doesnt really even play like any of the other guys, but he still is a beast of a player.

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Kassandra
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Posted 03/25/2011 4:24 PM
interesting topic. LaMarcus deserves to be in the conversation. he's meant as much -- if not more -- to his team than some of the other names out there.

i may have missed this in earlier comments, but let's not forget his being named western conference player of the month for february, and twice named western conference player of the week. he's averaging career bests in points (22.2) and rebounds (8.7), as well as equaling his average in blocks (1.2). the all-star snub statements are accurate. i mean seriously, Duncan was selected for his overall career rather than the paltry season he's having this year.

would it be great if he had another couple of rebounds per game? sure. however, when you play alongside a perrenial rebounder such as Marcus, you don't need your pf to scoop up every board in site. the clippers need Blake to do that. the timberwolves need Love to do that.

LaMarcus is leading hs tem into the playoffs. Griffin and Love are not. in head-to-head games, LaMarcus' team is a combined 7-0 over Griffin and Love's teams.

i'm not going to go as far as to say he should win it this year, but his name should be mentioned. anyone who can't see that does, indeed, have a very low basketball iq.

~ Kassandra

I am a fan of my team fighting to win each and every game.

TayC
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Posted 03/25/2011 7:22 PM
kassandra brings up an interesting aspect of this.
who where the other western conference players of the weeks or months?

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Posted 03/26/2011 11:00 PM

Posted By machwonder on 03/25/2011 2:16 PM
OK, I believe Love will get better on defense. I mean, don't you think his coaches will be working with him regarding defense? Or do you think his coaches talk about what he ate for dinner last night instead of coaching him? Sorry for the sarcasm, I couldn't resist. Your opinion is noted....
He's in his 3rd year huh, good for you. I learned something here.

Glad I could take you to school.

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blazersforlife234
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Posted 03/27/2011 1:21 AM
Lets be honest, Lamarcus at #8 in the MVP race is about accurate... top 5 is too big a stretch for me. He has been very valuable to this team, and we are an above average team right now in comparison to the rest of the league. But for a player on a team that is at the bottom the the league and who isn't even in the top 10 in scoring to win MVP, that's just ridiculous. In order to win MVP in my opnion, the player should be the most valuable to his team (which is what the award truly is) and a player who plays on a bad team obviously can't be that valuable, because the team can't be that much worse. But if you take LaMarcus off of our team, we would be a lot worse, hence why he's so valuable. The MVP should only go to a player whose team makes the playoffs, thats for sure.
Anyways, I think LaMarcus will finish in about the 5-8 range in the final MVP voting, and rightfully so.

I am a fan of winning.

ripcitywhat!
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Posted 03/27/2011 1:27 AM
i guess if he wants it he better start steppin it up a little

ripcitywhat!
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Posted 03/27/2011 1:28 AM
i 100 percent agree with that

TayC
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Posted 03/28/2011 5:36 PM

Posted By blazersforlife234 on 03/27/2011 1:21 AM
Lets be honest, Lamarcus at #8 in the MVP race is about accurate... top 5 is too big a stretch for me. He has been very valuable to this team, and we are an above average team right now in comparison to the rest of the league. But for a player on a team that is at the bottom the the league and who isn't even in the top 10 in scoring to win MVP, that's just ridiculous. In order to win MVP in my opnion, the player should be the most valuable to his team (which is what the award truly is) and a player who plays on a bad team obviously can't be that valuable, because the team can't be that much worse. But if you take LaMarcus off of our team, we would be a lot worse, hence why he's so valuable. The MVP should only go to a player whose team makes the playoffs, thats for sure.
Anyways, I think LaMarcus will finish in about the 5-8 range in the final MVP voting, and rightfully so.

But to say that " and a player who plays on a bad team obviously can't be that valuable, because the team can't be that much worse. "

That is not a very solid remark to make, like Lebron James his rookie season, okay he obviously was valuable. you know?
and thats why i am looking at blake griffin alot.

You have to look at the individuals in the race and their accomplishments this season side by side, thats the only logical way to look at this, other wise it is somewhat bias.

\to come out and say " Oh yeah Aldridge should be MvP" just because he is currently the best player on the team, thats ridiculous because you are ignoring the other players accomplishments.
Like If aldridge had been able to close this season out with 20 ppg, 10 rpg , and like 5 apg with 2bpg, then yeah i would be pushin this guy into the winners cirlce, but he wasnt even able to average a double double, and today in basketball double doubles / triple doubles and all that are amplified.
Not to mention look at their experience, how long have they been playing this game? Are they like Kwame Brown, who took like 7+ years to actually show what he's worth? because thats a joke, ridiculous.
And what kind of players are they surrounded by, really good ballers? or bench warmers ?

that is why i am behind blake, a players team should not reflect his performance abilities, it is the same argument as 1 player on a team cannot win a championship just reversed.
Blake the Great Rookie, has balled on all the big daddy ballers this year, he has played games down in the paint by grabbing 3-4 rebounds in 2-3 seconds against some big guys, guys bigger than him. He came into the league, hated for no reason, the hype is what was going to make or break this kid and he took the hype and all the hates by the throat and snapped their necks. i mean what else is there?
what else does a player need to do to be accepted or a better question, what does a player need to do to not be hated against?
because if you dont like blake because of his ego/image/vibe or simply because he is from LA, just stop being jealous and get over yourself, and worry about things you can control.
or forever hold your peace and accept the role the rest of the NBA has given you at times, Portland: the team who cries over spilt milk.

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blazersforlife234
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Posted 03/28/2011 8:41 PM
I said that a player on a bad team obviously can't be that valuable, because its true. Take griffin off the clippers, and they can't be much worse. FACT. They are already really bad. Take Aldridge off the Blazers and we are not that good of a team. Aldridge is more valuable than Blake to his team. I never said Aldridge should win MVP, I said that he should finish between 5 and 8. And he should. I am not saying Griffin is weak, i'm not an idiot dude, haha. I'm just saying he can't be considered in the MVP race, and he's rightfully not, because I can't say that he's VALUABLE to his team, just a good player who makes good plays on the court. He has a bright future, but you can't say he's valuable to his team, because he doesn't help them win games. It's like, just because someone is a great player doesn't mean he is valuable to his team, but he is probably for the fans

I am a fan of winning.

blazersforlife234
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Posted 03/28/2011 8:42 PM

Posted By TayC on 03/28/2011 5:36 PM

Posted By blazersforlife234 on 03/27/2011 1:21 AM
Lets be honest, Lamarcus at #8 in the MVP race is about accurate... top 5 is too big a stretch for me. He has been very valuable to this team, and we are an above average team right now in comparison to the rest of the league. But for a player on a team that is at the bottom the the league and who isn't even in the top 10 in scoring to win MVP, that's just ridiculous. In order to win MVP in my opnion, the player should be the most valuable to his team (which is what the award truly is) and a player who plays on a bad team obviously can't be that valuable, because the team can't be that much worse. But if you take LaMarcus off of our team, we would be a lot worse, hence why he's so valuable. The MVP should only go to a player whose team makes the playoffs, thats for sure.
Anyways, I think LaMarcus will finish in about the 5-8 range in the final MVP voting, and rightfully so.

\to come out and say " Oh yeah Aldridge should be MvP" just because he is currently the best player on the team, thats ridiculous because you are ignoring the
or forever hold your peace and accept the role the rest of the NBA has given you at times, Portland: the team who cries over spilt milk.
I never once said that

I am a fan of winning.

TayC
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Posted 03/30/2011 6:30 PM
i never meant to make it seem like you said that, i was merley making a point.

but what you are still saying is that Griffin is worthless/ or not valuable because he plays on the clippers?
but he balls up a gang of big name players-while in a clipper jersey- if LaMarcus was on CHA would that make him a non valuable player?

I said that a player on a bad team obviously can't be that valuable, because its true.

this statement just bothers me because it has way too negative implications and is almost 100% false and misleading.

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blazersforlife234
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Posted 03/30/2011 8:16 PM
I never said he was worthless either man haha all I'm saying is that he shouldn't be considered in the mvp race. The difference with your LA example though playing on CHA is that CHA would actually be a much better team I believe with him on that team. In comparison to the rest of the NBA, in the MVP race, Griffin doesn't have the crudentials with respect to winning that the other guys do. Not saying Griffin isn't a beast, i'm not an idiot. Im merely saying that he obviously doesnt help his team win games, because he doesn't. He helps attract fans, makes good plays, and has an extremely bright future ahead. You just can't give a guy an MVP who doesn't help his team win games. The MVP doesn't always go to the most talented player in the league, and everyone knows that

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DHawes22
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Posted 03/31/2011 1:41 PM
Aldridge holding strong at #8 on ESPN's MVP Watch: Click Here

Kobe should be higher than 4, as much as that pains me to say and Westbrook should be in Durant's spot at 6. After just 9 points and 3 rebounds, Aldridge bounced back last night with 24 & 15. I really think he can take us past the First Round, but he'll need some rest. Hopefully seeding will be over before the last game of the season and he can sit or we can blow out a team early and he can sit the majority of the game there.

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TayC
Posts: 1804

Posted 03/31/2011 4:49 PM
well i guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

i have seen blake play, and he can hang with whoever he wants, the kid is only going to get better im tellin ya.
but even now i think he could be compared with some of the big boys-partly due to how much future potential he has.

as for the Aldridge on CHA example, it was only an example it just thought of a lower ranked team, haha not literally cha but its cool.

Hawes- what do you think the big difference is between Dirk and Aldridge's Rankings?
like look at their stats, minus the 3pt% and a tweak of the other stats/ Aldridge is the better player, no?

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