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  1. bench09
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    Posted 04/25/2009 12:52 AM

    How many times we've seen the Blazers coming out flat after a time-out? Just review the last two minutes of the game 3 and you'll know he is not a coach for post-season games. Ever wonder why the Seattle Sonics did poorly in the play-offs? Why his team can not develop X-factor type of player?
  1. gorudygo
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    Posted 04/25/2009 1:20 AM

    okay lets gain some perspective here. The Trail Blazers are the youngest team in the league. Most playoff teams have been playing together for YEARS... nor nine months like this Blazer unit. 2. ITS NOT OVER... 3. McMillan is working with FOUR rookies. L.A. and Roy would not have developed the way they had were it not for Nate. He has taken a group of good players and made them great players. Houston is a tough team and provides some difficult match ups for us. They pay dirty- something we are not used to. don't go looking for someone to blame; I think Portland got caught up in the excitement and is now expecting too much from this young team. They are great and will be dominant in the future, but to go out in the first round (if they do... I dont think they will!) will not be a failure for Nate, it will be an accomplishment to have made it so quckly. Nate coached the Olympic team; I hardly think hes considered a bad coach. Kobe Bryant after the Blazers latest victory vs. Lakers.. first comment was how well coached we are...
  1. ripcityjake
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    Posted 04/25/2009 1:22 AM

    i agree that we come out flat some times, and there seems to be a lack of motivation during some games. i think that nate's coaching style is more of a "positive reinforcement" approach, instead of getting in players faces. that can be constructive in a lot of ways, for a young team, but you also risk having a lack of intensity. i think it isn't the right time to let nate go. instead, this is where a veteran leader would play a HUGE role on our team. look at the denver nuggets before chauncey billups got there. they had a ton of talent but slacked on both ends of the floor. then billups comes in with his success and experience, and it elevates the play of his teammates. my problem with nate in game 3 was him leaving travis outlaw in while he did nothing but lay bricks the entire game. he should have at least put batum in for a defensive advantage, instead of having travis give us nothing. i also wonder why sergio plays over jerryd bayless, when he throws the ball away and is a defensive liability. i would rather have him develop bayless, who seems to have a bright future, and let sergio play garbage minutes where he can throw all the crazy passes he wants.
    comparing nate to other coaches around the league, i think he's one of the better ones. it would be a shame to let him go now after bringing us back from the "jail blazer" days. we just need that one missing piece of the puzzle. i bet if there was a veteran player on the team who wasn't afraid to get in his teammates faces, we would see a lot less embarrassing losses in the future. just my .02
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/25/2009 1:34 AM

    What you guys are seeing is part of the process. He is trying to teach these guys that they can be responsible for eachother out on the floor and be successful. Remember his first couple years when everyone was like "Nate's a drill sergeant." Now he has let the reins out and is letting the players play. You don't get rid of a guy when he has made history with your team. In spite of what happened this year, OUR TEAM OVER ACHIEVED! We were supposed to be at best a 7 seed or barely miss the cut. Instead we are a 4 seed, with homecourt advantage. Everything from here on in is gravy. Lay off Nate, he is the coach, and he will be the coach of the future. Frankly, I totally agree.
    I am a fan of Good basketball, great fans and Rip City!
  1. RedRudy5
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    Posted 04/25/2009 11:34 AM

    Nate is a big part of the success of this team and needs to continue to be! Remember how young they are- they are still growing as a team and learning what play off basketball is all about. All things considered I think they are doing pretty well considering their youth and experiance. We need to have a bit of patience.
    I am a fan of Turning this season around! Time to show some pride!!
  1. ripcityjake
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    Posted 04/25/2009 11:40 AM

    i understand we are in a learning process, but leaving travis in while he is ice cold the whole game is bad judgement any way you slice it. i'm not saying fire him, i'm just saying nate makes some questionable calls like that from time to time. to me that was a no brainer and he should have had travis riding the bench, but i understand that in the heat of an nba playoff game you have other things to worry about too. i think nate is still pretty young for a coach and is learning too. he will get better as years go on. you won't find many better coaches for this team. i say keep him, and i think he can take the team places in years to come. after all he has made huge improvements each year since he got here.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/25/2009 11:54 AM

    So you are saying that in Game 1 Boston shouldn't have given the ball to Ray Allen because he was ice cold. Not that TO is anything close to Ray Allen, but it is pretty common knowledge at the NBA level that when a scorer is cold, the best thing to do is hope he figures it out on the floor rather than sitting him and waiting till next game. Remember, this is the NBA not hight school or even college. If a person is successful in the NBA, they are pretty darn good. The hope is that now with Rudy back in it, TO will get back in it and we will have our whole team back. He'll firgure out soon enough. I just hope it is in time to still win the series.
    I am a fan of Good basketball, great fans and Rip City!
  1. RedRudy5
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    Posted 04/25/2009 12:06 PM

    It is always easier to second guess decisions after the fact-I remember several games that Travis was missing a lot of shots then hit the game winner or some big shots down the stretch to make a difference. Unfortunately sitting on the bench doesn't help his shooting near as much as just shooting. I think he is thinking to much and hesitating wondering if he should be shooting or passing rather than just going with his insticts.
    I am a fan of Turning this season around! Time to show some pride!!
  1. erikgg41
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    Posted 04/25/2009 6:34 PM

    this argument has absolutely no merit. Nate was a coach of the year candidate. Nate has 4 rookies playing significant minutes. And excluding Raef LaFrentz they are the youngest team in the NBA. The Blazer players aren't doing their jobs and Travis is in a funk offensively missing the shots that he usually makes no matter how amazing they are. One thing i will say Nate needs to do is play Bayless at the point against Brooks.
  1. Kim~
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    Posted 04/25/2009 8:11 PM

    Normally I would agree about Bayless, but he wasnt given anything but garbage time when Blake came back, and the playoffs isnt the time to try a new pg.
    The Blazers will learn to quit digging holes they cant climb out of. They can beat Houston, if they play all 48 minutes.
    Tomorrow is another day......
    Lets Go Blazers !!!!
    I am a fan of scrapping !
  1. stafford617
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    Posted 04/25/2009 8:33 PM

    that is the stupidest quistion
    the blazers are the best team in the NBA
    another thing is that we already have x factors and it's not coach mcmillans falt. IT's that were just getting use to the playoffs. so I like coach Nate mcmillan!
    I am a fan of the portland Trailblazers awsome team
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/26/2009 12:42 AM

    agreed, there are two of these stupid topics and I am tired of arguing against emotionally fragile individuals whose daily workouts consist of 12oz curls and couldn't coach a YMCA team to a victory.
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  1. WE LOVE BLAZERS
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    Posted 04/26/2009 9:49 AM

    I totally agree with you! Like you said Portland got to excited and forgot about what we really are! They lost sight of us threw all the glam and they need to rember that this is our team and NO one should be put to blame!!
  1. wutduhflipz
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    Posted 04/26/2009 12:37 PM

    No, I think you should go. It's our players outside of Rudy, Steve, Brandon and our 2 centers; they seem so shell shocked that they are in the playoffs. ESPECIALLY OUTLAW AND LAMARCUS. But they are young. But please, you should go seriously.
    I am a fan of Blazers winning game 4, game 5 and game 6
  1. ripcityjake
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    Posted 04/26/2009 3:23 PM

    some people on here need a reality check. i LOVE the blazers but they are not the best team in the NBA. i'm not saying they couldn't be the best in a couple years, but they aren't there yet. don't let your love of the team get in the way of common sense. another thing, you should NEVER compare ray allen and travis outlaw, they are 2 entirely different players. ray allen is arguably the purest jump shooter in the league, 3 point champ, all-star, and a proven competitor. travis outlaw is lazy, unreliable, and streaky. travis is a spot up shooter, ray is a jump shooter. the difference is good jump shooters can generally shoot through tough patches in games. TO is either hot, or not. he is a good 6th man that should be used to change the pace of a game, but if he fails to do that or has a bad night, he isn't the type of player you tell "just keep shooting." he plays half speed most of the time, and has the worst hands on our team. how many times has he lost the ball when he starts driving to the hoop just because he forgot to hold on tight enough? your argument isn't even valid. i'll ask it again why leave travis in when he is a defensive liablility and cold on offense? go with batum and at least you have someone who PLAYS HARD EVERY PLAY and gets after it defensively. especially when coming from behind, you need more defense than offense. we had enough offensive weapons on the floor. any way you slice it, leaving travis in was a bad decision.
  1. randyyadlur
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    Posted 04/26/2009 9:10 PM

    hey buddy, i think you need the reality check. in case you didn't notice, the only reason we still have the PORTLAND trail blazers is because of nate, if it weren't for him they would have been sold 3 years ago. and of course were not the best in the NBA yet, anyone with healthy eyes or ears could see/hear that. but what bugs me about you is that you don't open yours to see/hear that we are also the youngest team in the playoffs. the fact that we have even made it to this point is completely owed to nate. now where i do agree with you is that travis is a bad decision, he has a hot game 1:4 times, other than that he is virtually a waste of a posession when he does his little ballet hop jump shots.

    p.s. i hate to break it to ya, but the reason Rip City loves the team, is because we thrive upon any tiny spert of energy that someone on the team shows, and that is the sign of a good team
  1. bench09
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    Posted 04/26/2009 9:37 PM

    Yap, I should go because I have different opinion than yours. Real mature. Your blind loyalty is going to be the reason keeping the Balzers from reaching their final goal. By the way, did you enjoy the last two minutes of today's game? What happened after the time-out?
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/26/2009 10:25 PM

    What happened after the timeout is that the PLAYERS didn't execute. Like I said, Nate isn't on the floor, Nate isn't shooting the ball. Second if you would have read my statement word for word, instead of plotting your response before finishing the post, I wasn't making a direct comparison to Ray Allen. You can't compare the two, all the things you said about Allen are true, however, NO NBA player gets out of a slump by sitting on the bench. I didn't see the game on Friday, but I did see tonight's and the pressure is deffinitely taking it's toll. I see Portland eeking out game 5 and hopefully they can take that and roll into game 6. Even though they are playing poorly, they are atleast getting in it now. I also have to say by watching the game tonight, the fix is in. Portland doesn't win the series unless they take the game out of the hands of the officiating EARLY! On that last shot by Roy, he went straight up and the guy flopped. I only caught the second half on TV, the first half I caught on the radio and it is grossly one sided. I know I know, scoreboard right? Rick played the bully card when Nate took the high road and the league bought it. Atleast we can lose this series with a little respect intact, but it's still nauseating that crap works. I think Stern sees his last opportunity to have the population of China watching NBA games into the post season. Yao I think only has maybe 4 years left if he can stay healthy. That's a lot of money he doesn't want to miss out on. We can hope that Stern wants to push this series to 7 games to tire out whoever plays the Lakers in the next round so he can be sure of Kobe vs. James in the finals. Nate is and should continue to be the coach. Next year will be a different story because I don't think they will let the officials have a say in how the game goes. I hope they have learned the hard lesson of Portland can't win in a business decision, so you have to make it be about basketball and Portland CAN win at that.
    I am a fan of Good basketball, great fans and Rip City!
  1. ripcityjake
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    Posted 04/26/2009 11:07 PM

    haha wow people need to read the whole thread before they comment and make fools of themselves. i never said nate was terrible, and believe me i know we are a young team, that's part of the reason we are so exciting to watch. i just pointed out that nate was a young coach and he is going to make mistakes, as will any coach in the league. so really you proved my point by commenting. people need to get their heads outta the clouds and look at things the way they are.
    i read the whole post and i know you said you weren't meaning to compare them, but you did. i was just pointing out that their shooting styles are completely different and one you can leave in the other isn't as trust worthy. i agree that you don't get out of a shooting funk while sitting on the bench, but i would have at least pulled him for awhile talked to him on the bench to try to build his confidence then put him back and see how he does.
    p.s. the last 2 minutes wasn't nates fault, it was a lack of intensity. we got beat to loose balls, and couldn't get a rebound if our lives depended on it. i still think roy and rudy should have had looks at that shot instead of travis but travis has a history of hitting the big ones, so i'm not too disappointed. we're in a hole now, so i say we quit this pointless bickering and stand behind our guys. we're gonna need that garden LOUD on tuesday to gain some momentum for game 6.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/26/2009 11:30 PM

    Yeah, I was hoping this one was done yesterday but someone brought it back up. I agree DONE FINISHED! NO MORE! MESSAGE BOARD CLOSED!
    I am a fan of Good basketball, great fans and Rip City!
  1. Travis
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    Posted 04/27/2009 1:30 AM

    Wow I am really surprised at the blind loyalty here. I understand what done is done but I was hoping this would be an eye opener for some of the fans and hopefully management. I love the fact they said they were going to stick with there boys but I did not agree ok it happens. The problem I am having now is all these people on here making assumptions and giving Nate credit were credit might not be due.

    1. Saying Nate is responsible for how our rookies were developed is dumb. I for one do not like how JB was sat down all year. This has crippled his progress and I think he would at least be better than Sergio (I would like to see him given a shot to cover Brooks but that will not happen).

    Oden progress has not really been impressive to me. I am impressed by him as a player but I had hoped that would have worked on him on defense and some on offense. I really think he is capable of being further along but is not by no fault of his own. I think his fouling has gotten worse and we need him I think he does a good job on Yao.

    2. The dumb comment that we have gotten better BECAUSE OF NATE!!!! Is a HUGE assumption that no one should make. We have a good team that has gotten better players every year. It is true time will make us better with experience so how do we assume it is Nate.

    3. We would not even be is Portland would have been sold 3 years ago. If that statement is factual please provide link.

    I am not trying to argue with anyone despite how it sounds I just think that this is were you show you’re a good coach and thus far not impressed. There have been two games we should have had a timeout left at the end of the game (that’s basic coaching when game is tight). The questionable subs have already been mentioned. I think Travis has shown what he has got on the biggest stage he has ever played on and we should have traded when his value was higher (something to think about this off season). I also think thus far Blake has been schooled by Brooks. I think a lot of people have been saying we need to up grade at this position. I am not saying I have the answer and not making any trade proposals this is just food for thought. We have a lot of people that want to keep the same everything and this squad as is will never be better that what ever the elite team is at the time. I would like to also say I love this team but have a realistic out look on It and strongly believe that as is we are doomed to a lot of playoff failures. I hope I am wrong but I also hope we make the changes now instead of realizing it to late. These players are loyal now wait till they hit late 20’s early 30’s with no ring guys like LA and Roy will strongly consider a move whether anyone wants to believe it or not. Rant complete.
    I am a fan of a run at those rings in 2011 when GO comes back to dominate!!!!!!!!!!!
  1. Butch
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    Posted 04/27/2009 4:32 AM

    Rant makes little sense. Of course half of your statements are just your opinion on how coaching should be done and how the Blazer's should run the lineup and or Organization. I don't know, but I'm willing to bet that Nate and the Blazer Organization have better credentials than you as far as these type of things go. Not that you aren't entitled to your opinion. You certainly are. As a Blazer fan for the last 30 years I've got to say that I'm glad they won't be making any of their decisions based on your opinions. You obviously have issues with Nate that go back a while so it seems you miss the things that stick out, such as the winning percentage that just keeps climbing each year or the possibility of Coach of the Year for the last 2 years. You must be crazy if you think that the coaching staff is not responsible for helping mold these young athletes into the players they are now and the players they are going to be. To think that Nate's staff is not working one on one with Oden on defense, or not working with any player one on one to help develop them tells me you don't really know the insides of how a Basketball Organization works. And to not be able to come up with some of that on your own (like most of us do) tells me you don't have much common sense when it comes to these matters either. But, again, you got the right to give your opinion. It just seems to be a laughable one.
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  1. circlepit
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    Posted 04/27/2009 7:04 AM

    I'm sad :-(
    I am a fan of my Blazers because I am so proud of these young guys and especially Nico Batum, my countryman !!!
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/27/2009 11:23 AM

    Travis, discussion is closed. Move on. If you aren't a Blazer fan then get off the site. I am sick of you morons coming on here just stirring things up. Move on. Go back to LA sites, stop wasting your time ruffling the feathers of other team's fans. GO AWAY, DISCUSSION CLOSED!
    I am a fan of Good basketball, great fans and Rip City!
  1. Travis
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    Posted 04/27/2009 7:58 PM

    Rip your and idiot who contributes nothing here this board is for discussion. and to butch I was simply pointing out others opinions and assumptions. No one knows that are players would not have been better in other conditions. Also the things I have pointed out are not jsut my opinions ESPN commented on not having time outs at the end of the game. Climbing win percentages can be for many things read my post there listed. This is were players and Nate can show what they got and I am not impressed. Also read everyone post you will see the assumptions I replied to. They are blind loyalty assumptions that no one can take credit for. The coach of the year haha you could let anyone coach during this turn around of talent with the same players leaving and coming and they would look good. Also rip city never seen you on the old sight or have you changed your name or you new to the team if so welcome hopefully you grow up sometime soon and contribut to the site.
    I am a fan of a run at those rings in 2011 when GO comes back to dominate!!!!!!!!!!!
  1. Dan
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    Posted 04/27/2009 8:18 PM

    you obviouly don't know that Nate is one of the top coachs is the nba (last year was the 1st) in pts coming off a time-out. go check it out. blame nate is the stupidiest thing. He has done great. take a look at our roster. 4 rookies. the youngest rotation in the last 30 years. Oh, yeah, and Seattle didnt do good in the playoffs because of Nate, easy to say that. Did you watch the playoff series that they played?? shut up
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  1. Travis
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    Posted 04/27/2009 8:35 PM

    This is not regular season or seatle. I am talking about this series playoffs right now. Quit bringing up history I do not care. Also are you implying we cannot beat Houston by saying how young we are. We can or could have won this series. I have a lot of faith in this team and there have been mistakes which is gonna happen. So much anger for anything negative on Nate is dumb he has not proven his self to me or anyone else in these playoffs which is all that matters. I understand you guys have given him credit for this team turning around. Which could be true I do not think it is. In every sport there is atleast one coach that does great regular season and lacks what it takes on the next level to finish he could be that or I could we will see.
    I am a fan of a run at those rings in 2011 when GO comes back to dominate!!!!!!!!!!!
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/27/2009 10:22 PM

    No, it isn't all that matters Travis, that's the thing. You are hung up on the wrong aspects. Yes, we could have beaten them several times these playoffs. The reason we didn't was a combination of execution, young players nerves, inexperience, and officiating, with a little bit of coaching mishaps. The past is important. Why? Because it gives us a clearer picture of what is to come. Houston has been in the playoffs several consecutive years without making it out of the first round. There is something to be said for that. They have a superstar in Yao whose status pretty much allows him to do what ever he wants and get away with it. Although Portland has some All-Stars, the league doesn't considder them Superstars yet. I get more and more agitated because this stupid post is a broken record, I do add something to this post and that is filling in the blank spots you leave behind in the absence of a thought process. You look at a person's history to judge what is to come. If he led a Seattle team to overachieve, then led a young Portland team to overachieve in the regular season I guess that makes him a pretty darn good coach and a couple mishaps on his part during the playoffs shouldn't warrant stripping him of his position. He knows the mistakes he made through out the series whether we saw them or not, but his history (aka "the past") shows that he is still one of the best coaches in the NBA. Just ask Kobe and LeBron, they played for him in the OLYMPICS. Oh yeah, Nate has a gold medal, what do you have? Again, you obviously are never going to get the point that regardless of the few mistakes he has made in the playoffs his job should remain intact. So to continue to add to this post is stupid. The post is over, forget it, people will believe what they want to believe based on their hyper-sensitive emotions on losing in the first round, the team's FIRST year in the playoffs. It isn't like we have a bunch of players that have been in the playoffs with other teams, Steve Blake was with Denver at the end of that season. Who else? Oh yeah, Micheal Ruffin, I bet he contributes a LOT! Come on, I am completely fine with them going 1-4 because even though it didn't HAVE to be, it is part of the learning process.
    I am a fan of Good basketball, great fans and Rip City!
  1. bench09
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    Posted 04/27/2009 10:49 PM

    Why is it over? just becuase you said so? Can you tell us your credentials? I don't see your rings or gold medals. What make your opinion weigh more than mine? Nate sacrificed the chances to develop a few young players so he can win more games for his record. Tell me, how many wins the Blazers have against the above-500 teams? How many wins against the below-500 teams? This will give you an idea how he overuse Roy and LA against those below-500 teams to secure a win. We should be happy that Roy did not end up like Grant Hills when he was in Detroit. Nate is a good coach but not the coach to take the Blazers to championship. Kobe and LeBron were just being polite. I did not hear Kobe or LeBron having any interest in playing for him. They're playing for the USA Olympic team and Nate happened to be one of the assistant coaches.
  1. Travis
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    Posted 04/27/2009 10:52 PM

    See that shows you are reading what you want. I never agreed with this post. I never said Nate should go. I just do not like him getting credit for everything positive from fans and protected from negative feed back. I think he needs work because what I have seen. Like I said previously there are coaches that kill regular season and fail in the playoffs. Just one example the Suns prior to this year disaster. The system works regualr season fails in playoffs. I am not trying to argue with anyone and the several factors you mention all can contribute to the losses especially the refs. If you get a second I have all night because I am at work but read these other post were people are giving him credit for everything. I am just saying we have a great team that would being doing close if not same or better with just about anyone as coach. I do not have blind faith in Nate he has a playoff record with Blazers of 3-1. There is no young team excuses that will change this. I have looked at every detail and I still arrived here refusing to make excuses for a 7 million dollar a year coach. He is a big boy and should take responsibility. If he does that it would be huge to me and I think a lot of fans. He means first and foremost he is doing his job and should be dedicated to improving on his side of things.
    I am a fan of a run at those rings in 2011 when GO comes back to dominate!!!!!!!!!!!
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 04/27/2009 11:10 PM

    Look, if you agree with the post then argue for it, if you disagree with the post then make your argument, if you see it somewhere in between say so and don't argue for one side. Make your true feelings show. Unfortunately, this is a message board, not a telephone, so playing "devil's advocate," can easily be misconstrued. As far as this post being over, it was dead for like 2 days and someone fished it up from the bowells of the site. We are working on three pages of an otherwise stupid argument. There comes a time when enough is enough and everything has been said. Once everything has been said it is just redundant to coninue it anyfurther. My posting about the redundancy of this post...is completely redundant. So, let's please stop posting here so we can end the redundancy. Not because I have supreme powers or Olympic medals, but merely because the topic has become tired. Apparently to everyone accept you two. I only continue to post to respond to the attacks directed toward me.
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