Is Nate the right coach?
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/23/2010 9:13 PM

      Don't get me wrong, I've always been a fan of Nate, and thought he got robbed by Scottie Brookes last season when it comes to COY, but one thing that I think about Nate is the same I thought about Blake - they got us where we want but can't take us further.  Obviously, this team is sick of the first round and wants to make a push for AT LEAST the second round.  However, in 2009, against Houston, I think we got jipped against the refs in that series.  We almost beat the Rockets in Houston the two games we lost, and honestly, had the refs been fair, we should have beat them.  We had a fully healthy roster on our team.  I thought Nate was the perfect fit.

    However, in 2010, against the Phoenix Suns, the series was 4-2.  The 2 that the Blazers won were CLOSE games.  The 4 the Blazers lost were blowouts.  The first game we won was because Andre was free to do whatever.  The next game, big lips dude (why can't I think of his name?  Phoenix Suns coach....)  Alvin Gentry right?  Anyways, he put Grant Hill on Andre, who completely shut Andre down.

    After that, Nate was out of ideas.  The reason we won the 4th game is because the energy was there by Roy's surprise "return" and the Suns looked starstruck.  Honestly, that game was a fluke, and it appears the first game might have too.

    When this team has the energy to compete, they're one of the best teams in the league imo (just look at us against LAL in the RG).  Realistically, and don't get me wrong, we're close, but I believe we're BETTER than OKC, New Orleans, Denver, Dallas, Utah, and could match up against the Lakers (and even win if Oden was here).  The problem slowing us down?  The coach. 

    In my opinion,  Sloan, Brooks, Williams (yes, our former ast coach), Karl, and maybe even Charlis (sp?) are all better coaches than Nate.  Obviously Sloan and Karl are far better, and I'm starting to really regret the Blazers giving up Monty and keeping Nate.  The Hornet's success has all come from the coach.  They're playing like a team, and CP3 is playing like he did last season.  Only thing that's changed is Ariza and Williams, yet they're 11-2.

    When you look at all championship contenders,  Boston, Magic, Spurs, and Lakers all have the leagues top coaches.  Utah and Denver just don't have the players.  The reason the Heat are struggling has a lot to do with Spolestra, which is why rumor has it Rilay will be firing him and taking the Head Coach position.

    Now, I'm not saying Nate is a bad coach and deserves to be fired, but I think the Blazers want to become a championship team, we're going to need a better coach.  Keep in mind I'm not a Nate hater, just have some concerns.  I love Nate and appreciate what he's done to this team, and the Blazers wouldn't be here without him, but we probably won't get much further with him.
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  1. blazerdarren77
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    Posted 11/23/2010 9:36 PM

    Problem is, who would be there to get the players to play a full 48 minutes?
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/23/2010 9:39 PM

    Monty Williams honestly.
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  1. Idealist
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    Posted 11/23/2010 9:51 PM

    I couldn't agree more. Nate just can't coach against better teams because they have better coaches. With average teams , Nate can out-coached them. Like you said he can get us where we want, but he can not get us any further.
  1. Tom Weaver
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    Posted 11/23/2010 9:53 PM

    Ive said the same thing for the past two years. Nate is Mr "D"...I would make him a defensive coach and replace him as head coach at seasons end. We need Rick Adelman back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/23/2010 11:40 PM

    I would love Adelman.  He isn't going anywhere with Houston.  3-10 what?  Supposedly the Rockets were going to have a comeback year!  Even without Yao, that team is better than 3-10.  Looks like Ron Artest pulled a LeBron before LeBron.  That team was scary good when Artest was the leader of it.
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  1. uri
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    Posted 11/24/2010 2:27 AM

    GET LARRY BROWN
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 11/24/2010 3:01 AM

    The Sarge is a solid head coach. Ya'll have to look at the big picture. Not just say he did this lineup in this game, and he didn't call a timeout there. Our Blazers play hard, scrap, claw, and do their very best. If that's not good coaching, it should be called great coaching. Listen, Nate has done well with not having all his tools in the toolbox. This season has obviously started off on bad foot. Maybe even worse then last season as far as injuries. We got a winning record, a team that likes to win. A team that wants to win. And we got a helluva broadcast crew and coaching staff. It's always a good day to be a Blazer fan.
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  1. laric33
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    Posted 11/24/2010 1:57 PM

    Ya I have been thinking the same thing for awhile... He helped build up a very good team from stratch but I don't think he is gonna get us much further... Portland had that practice the other day where they talked about closing out games, and I think the guy that should have been talked to about closing out games was Nate himself... When games are close I think he makes poor decisions, he takes out people that are hot because they are bench players and gives the ball to our stars who have made one shot the entire night. Don't get me wrong, I think a final shot should usually be in the hands of Roy but not when he hasn't made anything the entire night and Batum, Fernandez, or whoever have made their last 6 shot. I think Nate has problems with closing out games and we need someone who can do that to get us out of the first round.
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/24/2010 3:44 PM

    Posted By laric33 on 11/24/2010 1:57 PM
    Ya I have been thinking the same thing for awhile... He helped build up a very good team from stratch but I don't think he is gonna get us much further... Portland had that practice the other day where they talked about closing out games, and I think the guy that should have been talked to about closing out games was Nate himself... When games are close I think he makes poor decisions, he takes out people that are hot because they are bench players and gives the ball to our stars who have made one shot the entire night. Don't get me wrong, I think a final shot should usually be in the hands of Roy but not when he hasn't made anything the entire night and Batum, Fernandez, or whoever have made their last 6 shot. I think Nate has problems with closing out games and we need someone who can do that to get us out of the first round.

    I agree, Nate was great to rebuild our character and image, but he is not a Championship coach. I think he is one the main reasons we have just about lost all of our overtime games this year and last year and why we haven't been on any winning streak longer than 5 games in forever. It seems that the team comes out unmotivated half the time as well, and I think that has a lot to do with Nate. I think they are tuning him out. I also think his subbing patterns are gad as well, and I think it causes a loss of confidence unless you are Brandon or LA.  But Nate is a great guy, he is just not a championship coach.
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  1. Tom Weaver
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    Posted 11/24/2010 4:38 PM

    well said
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  1. EowynAmarie
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    Posted 11/24/2010 7:14 PM

    I personally think it is really, really unfair to judge Coach Nate's abilities when the state of the team has been consistently injured over last season and the start of this season. Realistically, we have no idea how Nate handles a fully healthy team, or even a mostly healthy team. Sure, he has clearly been outcoached on occassion, you can't argue against that. However, was he outcoached because he didn't know what to do, or because he didn't have the personnell to make the best adjustments? Sometimes, especially in the Suns series, making the right matchup is key. JRich destroyed us, but I'm sorry, just how many guys is Nicolas Batum supposed to guard at one time? You can scream "defense, defense!", but if Bradon, Joel, and Oden aren't buying it, what are you supposed to do? Oh wait....those guys weren't there, I almost forgot! I am in the camp that says, "let's wait and see what Nate does with an almost healthy roster (minus Oden), before throwing him under the bus." :)
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/24/2010 7:25 PM

    he has the Mike Brown Complex, the dream only lasted for soo long....
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/24/2010 8:45 PM

    You have a point, but he had that opportunity against Houston.  He didn't even perform well in that series.  It was the refs that took us out, and I think nearly everyone that watched the series agrees with that, but Nate also allowed it to continue, and still kept Blake on Brooks, who lit Blake up.  He also kept Batum in, who had an AWFUL series, until the last game or two.  He did the same with Rudy.  He had options to at least perform better, and didn't take them.  He obviously cared enough to bring Roy back 8 days or whatever after surgery, so he wasn't just using it as a way to make Rudy happy.  He failed miserably and was an embarrassment.

    Even with a healthy squad he makes mistakes.  I think it's time to start scouting for a new coach, because I really don't see Nate bring us the gold.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 11/24/2010 10:15 PM

    lol i find it funny you guys wanna get rid of nate who got us to the point were at if we were healthy last year we would have made it past the first round in fact i think we would have been in the championship last year and the last time i checked the coach cant control injury's and the year before that are players were star struck you could see it in there play and yes hes a defensive coach probably one of the best if not the best defensive coaches in the league and people defenses when championships 
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/24/2010 11:41 PM

    Freddead if you recall at the beginning of the season last year when we were healthy we played our worst out of the whole year, so that doesn't fly.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 11/25/2010 4:44 AM

    Posted By TomL on 11/24/2010 11:41 PM
    Freddead if you recall at the beginning of the season last year when we were healthy we played our worst out of the whole year, so that doesn't fly.

    That's only because Bayless was chained to the bench by our coaching staff. As soon as they let Jerryd run amuck, Blazers started winneeeng
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/25/2010 5:15 AM

    Posted By Tobyus Sanchezo on 11/25/2010 4:44 AM
    Posted By TomL on 11/24/2010 11:41 PM
    Freddead if you recall at the beginning of the season last year when we were healthy we played our worst out of the whole year, so that doesn't fly.

    That's only because Bayless was chained to the bench by our coaching staff. As soon as they let Jerryd run amuck, Blazers started winneeeng

    EXACTLY MY POINT!! I've said it on this board somewhere before, Nate was forced to play certain players (Bayless, Martell) and not pull them as soon as they made a mistake. As soon as they knew they were gonna get minutes and that they weren't gonna get yanked at the first mistake, they started playing better and building confidence. When he pulls players because of a mistake they really play uptight so they don't get taken out, and then it seems to be contagious and then they make more mistakes and then they get pulled.
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  1. Ike Graul
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    Posted 11/25/2010 8:40 PM

    I agree that this is somewhat premature talk. Let's talk about replacing the trainers that are turning all of our players knees to Jell-O before we get rid of a coach that's got us into a decent playing position.
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  1. teradasan
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    Posted 11/25/2010 11:02 PM

    This is nuts.  With all of the turmoil last year The Blazers would have been barely a .500 team without Nate.  Most teams would have had a major mutiny long ago.  Why did it seem it was difficult to play the right guys?  Because nobody new who those guys were!  We still don't.  This stuff is hard to figure out even if your team isn't ravaged by misfortune.  Yet Nate remained positive, energetic, supportive and got our guys to play some of the best D this town has seen in a long time.  We still might not get to the promised land this season.  We're just not that good.  But Sarge will again get us closer to it than we deserve.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 11/26/2010 1:03 AM

    My problem with Nate is that he seems to kill the momentum of a unit that is working well together with substitutions. Example: in the Utah game we were winning that game  through 3 quarters.  Then Utah went on a run and Nate kept the 2 unit in for far to long and they gave up the lead. I know players get tired and need a rest but we had 5 days off after the utah game, Nate could have rode the first unit throughout to get a much needed win against Utah. I've seen this time and time again A player will get hot and he will take them out or run plays away from them. I know other teams will key in on a player who is scoring, but good coaching allows for the hot player to stay hot by mixing the offensive schemes up for him. We need to face it, our offensive schemes are unimaginative and predictable and this comes from the coach.
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  1. Tom Weaver
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    Posted 11/26/2010 7:55 AM

    Kenny I agree with you 100%. The other thing I have noticed from the elite teams is that their coach will call a quick time out to clear the guys heads before things get out of control.  Nate tends to let them play through things allowing the team team to often slip out of contentions early or having to work hard up hill for the rest of the game. NOT GOOD.
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  1. skeptic
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    Posted 11/26/2010 10:48 AM

    Re The Blazers & Nate:I think that some of the things contributing to the second OKC city loss were an exhausted team due to an inexperienced bench that is never played after trading away a playable bench for draft choices, etc., poor coaching choices in  letting the ball get in the hands of 90% free throw shooters & fouling them(as pointed out by national sportscasters).
    Also, I've seen many close basketball games over the years, and great coaches really sense momentum, and never allow 10 or 15 point runs against them by good teams in close games without a time out to break momentum, catch a breath, and talk things over. Nate consistently allows these runs which give away games. On the other hand, he does a good job emphasizing defence and having the right players on the court. Reardless. I believe that the coach is truly the 6th man during a game, and Nate doesn't get it.

    Crazy as this is, I think that the Blazers should make Roy coach. They can renegotiate his salary, give Brandon financial protection as coach, move Nate on, and clear the salary cap to rebuild. Bone on bone knees is a very sad scene. The Blazers can treat Brandon well & try to win. Maybe player coach could work for this concept, as well.



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  1. TayC
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    Posted 11/29/2010 7:13 PM

    Skeptic you makes some good points about our bench.

    And i know eveyone loves a close game, but when your teams record is tied at 8-8, i personally wouldnt mind blowing out, if not shutting out every opponent for the remainder of the season, i believe it may be necessary.
    We dont have the breathing room for close games anymore.
    But a player coach at this time in the NBA would be unheard of and just would not happen.
    And Roy? he has way to much on his plate already.
    Perhaps Roy should bump into nate and then the media will invoke questions causing us to have a private Roy and Nate meeting which will have the same side effects  and results as the LeBron - Spulstra meeting, a dominant winning streak similar to the Bulls 70-12 season.

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