Worried About Roy
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 11/07/2010 9:54 PM

    I can't be the only one in here who thinks this way. Brandon looks AWFUL to put it politely to start the season/pre-season. Is he ticked off about playing with Miller or have the knee injuries finally taken their toll on him, because something is up. He hasn't been able to take his man off the dribble at all this year and when he gets to the paint, his shot is being pinned up on the glass. I know he's played a lot of minutes, but he was a ghost tonight. While guys like Dante, Dre, and Armon were playing their guts out, even in a blowout, Roy was simply coasting. What gives?

    I'm a huge Roy fan and really hope he breaks out of this slump, but he needs to keep us afloat in games when we are struggling. And if his health really is a concern, then maybe we should look into a possible trade before he has no value at all. Yes, I know trading Roy is sacrilege, but I'm seriously worried that he's lost a step due to the countless knee injuries.

    Anyone else as worried about him as I? I could care less that we lost...right now I just want to see my old Roy back in action!
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  1. DLW-3*
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    Posted 11/07/2010 10:41 PM

    Oh you definitely are not alone my good sir. I have been very worried about Roy's lack of performance since the pre-season and even more so in these past few games. I just don't see the "natural" style to his play anymore. I am a huge B-ROY supporter and just feel that he is either in a slump or like you say Clyde maybe the knees are bothering him and or the minutes are getting to him. Could be that he's not used to running the plays as much on the second unit since he's getting J-Bay's minutes now he's gone. I;m not sure, whatever it is I hope he finds a fix soon 'cause we really need some leadership on this team right now. Come on Blazers!!! 
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/07/2010 11:08 PM

    I'm not worried about him, since there isn't much to be worried about.  We already lost him, since he's lost all his moves.  He played stupid in the OKC game, was quiet against Toronto, and went about 1-6 against the Lakers tonight.

    He looks injured, or unmotivated.  He needs to step it up, because right now this is Miller's team.  Maybe it's his knee, maybe he's in a slump, I don't know, but we lost him, and he needs to come back.  We aren't a playoff team without Brandon Roy.
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  1. CharmCityBLA7ER
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    Posted 11/07/2010 11:33 PM

    Roy has said hes reverting to more of a ground game and not so much attacking the basket he said hes noticing that hes not jumping as high as he once was as an ode to his injury history.  He hasnt lost any moves tho just slightly less explosion from said moves.  He needs to get in the gym with andre miller and get him to teach him how to be a better passer and ask him tips to improve his mid range/ mid post up game.  Miller cant shoot threes but his post game is better than LA's and thats a fact he imposes his will on smaller guards.  If he can work on his leaners and runners and develop a floater he can make up for the lack of explosion.  Also Roy needs to hustle more, get at it on the offensive boards, get some tip ins, put backs, and MOVE Without the ball he just stands around.  He needs to take notes from Kobe and Lebron on how to lead he needs to Regulate, Reprimand, and lead by example and lead.  He leads by knocking down jumpers but Armon has more of an impact on the play of others than Roy right now he comes out with intensity and its contagious if Roy stands around then everyone stands around and watches LA in the post 
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 11/08/2010 12:03 AM

    There's only one team in this league that has the crazy man-beast Ron Artest to shove Brandon around for 40 minutes. The Blazers knew that coming in, and should've had Matthews out there with Roy to handle the ball more.
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  1. holter.ltd
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    Posted 11/08/2010 12:32 AM

    The overtime loss at home to OKC and this debacle is just the beginning of more heart ache. When your two 'best' players, Roy and Aldridge (and team captains!) are no shows playing the defending champs something is very, very wrong indeed. I'm personally sick of all the lame geeks that blame our woes on missing Pryz and GO. Or the tough schedule. B.S. excuses! We already have a more than servicable starting center in Marcus Camby. I don't have the answers, but its obvious McMillan is NOT a championship caliber tactician, Roy is over-rated and the only player that shows any heart night in and night out is the NBA's 18th all-time assist leader and league iron man, Andre Miller. Besides him and Batum, every one else looked like bums tonight.
  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 11/08/2010 1:29 AM

    I'm not worried about Roy

    2010-11 Statistics

    PPG
    22.0
    RPG
    4.00
    APG
    3.0
    EFF
    + 17.71
    I don't know How with those stats we should be worried. I know your talking more than just stats and I would say I agree that Roy doesn't seem to have that fire early in the season, but he is a 5 year player and I think he is a really smart player who knows how long the season is, so the fire and drive are on hold. I think it can be seen that Roy's play so far can be likened to how he plays in the first period, which is slow. He has always started out games slow and I think it's his mentality to be patient and wait for things to develop. He will pick up the intensity throughout the course of the season.
    I think we lost the laker game because Nate didn't make the adjustments at the key momentum surges by the lakers, and we missed shot after shot. Our inside D was pathetic and the team was flat. I think the team was beat before the game even started. Lamarcus had None of the Aggressive desire to attack the basket in the post that I have seen flashes of this season. So it was just a bad outing for us, but I think it is a bit premature to talk about trades involving Roy. Let's not jump to rash conclusions about his knee or his mental attitude or him having lost his game until he goes 1 for 6 in like 20 games straight.
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  1. Hg
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    Posted 11/08/2010 5:11 AM

    I am somewhat worried, but nothing close to get rid of the bum worried yet. I read earlier in the season that BRoy wasn't going to explode to the rim early in the season because of excessive wear and tear. He was going to try to be a facilitator and play better off the ball. This is a learning process that takes time, especially with new teammates. I think the only one he truly trust is Batum, which is becoming his knew sidekick.

    Like you I am not worried about this loss, there will be many games where the players should have stayed home and mailed it in. Plus, I have to give credit to the Lakers defense, but this is not the only game that BRoy didn't play good in, In fact, the Raptors game is the only game he showed aggression in. And that was like see, I can still play my game. Artist said he has played many of games against BRoy and something is definitely astray with him.

    It takes time to learn new tricks, but to just half-hearted play a game with few shots and bad shots at that tells me he is still mending from the last surgery, or saving himself for the second half by pacing himself, or he is reluctant to changing his role.

    I had a similar surgery done to my knee and it took about 8 month to where I wasn't dragging it all the time. and it never healed up to a 100% and finally had to get a knee replacement. Of course I am old, I am not a BB player, and my knee was already shot due to a prior injury that tore my ACL tendon, therefore my situation is different then BRoy's. Nevertheless, you cannot regrow cartilage and after three such surgeries the writing is on the wall, his durability is in question, and a high flying act of exploding to the rim may speed that up big time. Therefore if learning a new way of playing gives him longevity then I am for it. I think he is learning tricks from Dre. Dre hardly ever gets more then an inch or two off the floor, but showed one time that he could if he wanted too. Dre told and showed Armon to save his energy and use his body to protect the ball and give up his high flying act. That is why he is the iron man.

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  1. Hg
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    Posted 11/08/2010 5:29 AM

    If you look back, Portland as a team and BRoy and LMA has never played good when defense of other teams tightens up. Whether or not it is due to BRoy and LMA not being able to play their game and adjust to what the opponents are giving us, or the rest of the team not being able to adjust and that throws off BRoy and LMA, I don't know. Our three losses was to teams that tightened up the defense. Of course LAL started the game that way.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 11/08/2010 6:01 AM

    ClydeFrog:  Worried?  No.  Insulted, and feeling as though we, as fans and supporters of this team have been duped?  Affirmative.  So much promise this season.  Eyes on a deep run in the post season, or at the very least...a second round appearance.  Audio spots by Roy..."The Time is Now!  Now in Practice, Now..."

    Really?  PR had better strongly consider pulling that spot VERY soon.  "Now" for what Brandon, mailing it in?  Perhaps by "Now" he meant, for all to see him perform at a level we have NEVER seen before?

    Tired of excuses.  Champions make none.  Tired of "it's only one game".  No it's not.  Eight games into a season we have all been made to believe would be a promising one and the Blazer team from either of the past two years...the one bounced in the first round...still has yet to show up.  No my friends.  It's not just "one game". 

    Artest has been on record as saying that Brandon was his toughest cover.  Wonder if that has changed?

    In THIS economy, with the unemployment rate and those of us fortunate to still be employed, working harder and longer for the same (or even less) money, this team is asking our support with both our time and money to watch them NOT EVEN TRY?  What would happen to those of us still working if we showed up eight days in a row and performed like this?  I know what would happen to me, and it wouldn't be a paycheck resembling that of a lottery winner.

    @Hg:  you stated that Roy has said he wants to improve his game without the ball and be more of a facilitator.  Was that before or AFTER he said he wanted the ball in his hands more?

    An implosion is as likely with this team now as a playoff berth.

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  1. busta3
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    Posted 11/08/2010 9:13 AM

    There is no question, something is not right with Brandon and I don't think it has anything to do with touches or team mates. In the OKC game he was iso'd on KD twice in the second half, and passed out of both possessions. Even though BRoy is giving up length to KD, Brandon was able to take Durant off the dribble in the first quarter and get him to bite on a head-fake that sent Brandon to the free throw line. If he is healthy he is going to take the younger KD to the rack with authority. BRoy has shown us he is a proud man, up to every challenge he faces. Have we already forgotten that employee number 7’s walked onto the court eight days after surgery to help will this team to a decisive game 4 victory in last year’s playoffs? I was at that game and that was the single most courageous performance I have ever seen. For those who question Brandon’s heart or commitment, you don’t understand the challenge. If Brandon Roy is healthy and facing a 1 on 1 isolation with the 2011 MVP candidate he is going to take that challenge all day, every day and twice on Sunday. I just don’t think he is healthy and he’s too proud to use that as an excuse.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 11/08/2010 9:48 AM

    I'm not worried about Roy personally.
     More worried that for 4 years Blazers management has continued to apply a bandaide to an actively bleeding wound. Not bashing, but if Oden isnt going to play, go get someone who will already !

    Roy and LA can NOT be the ONLY offense this team knows, or continue to log the minutes they are all season and the playoffs. Using the same plan and expect a different outcome, is NOT working.

    Since my backside is still sore from that whipping last night, and coach Lucas passing is a hard subject for me, ( I lost my Papa to the same cancer ) I am taking a time out until Tuesday......

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 11/08/2010 11:00 AM

    Roy has got to be more aggressive early on in games when the team is slipping. I don't think it would have made a difference last night as LA was clicking on all cylinders, but when we start to fall behind by 7,9, and 11+ points, I'd like to see BRoy go to hoop, stop the game, and get cozy at the foul line.
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  1. airwolfe
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    Posted 11/08/2010 11:07 AM

    I don't think there's anything physically wrong with Brandon, he just doesn't seem to be in the "zone" yet.  It looks like he's thinking too much and not relying enough on his basketball instincts, which are what earned him his nickname "the Natural" in the first place.  My guess he's just putting too much pressure on himself to perform and getting frustrated when things don't go his way.  I expect we'll see the free-flowing, relaxed, and supremely confident B-Roy we're used to seeing emerge soon.
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/08/2010 11:08 AM

    Yes Kim, because it would be easy to just pick and choose someone as dominant as Greg, because there is no way we wouldn't get someone as dominant and talented as Greg if we traded him, and it wouldn't be better to wait to see if our number one pick ever develops or, more accurately, stays healthy for his first 4 years.

    And Ron Artest seems to think that Brandon is hurt, both his knee and back. If that is true that explains a lot. And he is also playing without complaining about it.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 11/08/2010 11:41 AM

    Thanks for that link Tom, really explains a lot. I knew something had to be wrong with him physically, because it just wasn't the same Roy. Do we think about sitting him a few games/weeks so he can recoup and be at 100%? These types of situations are where we will miss Bayless the most imo.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 11/08/2010 12:04 PM

    Here's an interesting read from last night's game from Quick-
     Roy is obviously frustrated at what a grind it has become for him to get an open shot. He said part of it is the attention defenses pay to him. Part of it is his body doesn't feel the same. And some of it is the team's personnel has changed.


    Translated: Gone are Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw -- two players who could help space the floor for him by making outside shots. In their place is Andre Miller and Wesley Matthews -- two players who are not known for their sharpshooting.


    "A lot of things have changed," Roy said. "We almost have a whole new roster as we did two years ago, so things aren't going to be the same as they were. I'm just trying to adjust, to see what this team needs."


    When it was suggested that this team needs the Brandon Roy from two years ago, when he averaged 22.6 points, 5.1 assists and 4.7 rebounds, Roy showed the irritation he feels with his reputation with Portland fans.


    "Seems from all the talk, they didn't need the old Brandon Roy, they wanted a new one, a different one," Roy said. "So I'm trying to adjust to what they need."


    Coach Nate McMillan has had an open and effective relationship with Roy. He said he has not yet sensed that Roy is frustrated with the team's offense, or that as coach he should have any reason to be concerned about Roy's play.


    "He just scored 26 points (Saturday) night," McMillan said almost incredulously.
    CONTINUE READING>>>


    Take it for what its worth....
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 11/08/2010 12:09 PM

    Even Phil Jackson can sense something is not right in Blazerland-
     "I'm not so sure that's all our making," Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said. "He looked to me like he was not ready to attack as much as he normally is. It looked to me like he was a little bit hesitant out there, and they had other things going on with [ Andre] Miller and [Nicolas] Batum, basically."
    CONTINUE READING>>>
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 11/08/2010 12:13 PM

    I'm worried but not worried at the same time. It's more of a team thing. His skillset of moves is still there, he gets to the paint at the same speed it seems but he really uses a lot more power moves lately.

    The thing is though there aren't any shooters out there to help him out in spacing. In the starting unit the only person who knocks down threes is Batum and he's inconsistent with that. No one on the second unit can really space the floor unless you want to play a 3 guard line up that includes Roy and Rudy. Something needs to be done with our roster and I'm sure Cho is looking into it.
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  1. laric33
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    Posted 11/08/2010 1:09 PM

    One of the things I noticed is he hardly moves without the ball, and when he does it very weak and he just jogs across the court so he is very easy to defend. Also it doesn't seem to take it to the basket anymore, he just keeps settling for a step back jump shot which havne't seem to have been falling for him lately... Those things have been making me wonder if he is really feeling 100%... I really think he needs to step up in the game a bit earlier... Almost all of the games so far he only scores in the 2nd half of the game... I hope things are good with him.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 11/08/2010 3:26 PM

    Maybe Roy hates Andre Miller and he is subconsciously demonstrating by showing no drive- That's my Pop psychological insight.
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  1. bonjustin8
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    Posted 11/08/2010 5:42 PM

    Posted By kenny c. on 11/08/2010 3:26 PM
    Maybe Roy hates Andre Miller and he is subconsciously demonstrating by showing no drive- That's my Pop psychological insight.

    If that is true, then that is bad for the team. It goes to show that the team's leader cannot play with any player on the floor, and that remains to be seen as the season progresses...
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/08/2010 8:57 PM

    Posted By kenny c. on 11/08/2010 3:26 PM
    Maybe Roy hates Andre Miller and he is subconsciously demonstrating by showing no drive- That's my Pop psychological insight.

    ha ha I thought the same thing, then I thought Roy better get his money back from his psychologist.
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/08/2010 9:19 PM

    I meant psychiatrist. ha ha
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  1. jivefield
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    Posted 11/09/2010 3:10 AM

    We lost some good shooting and athletiscm when Outlaw and Webster left
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  1. jivefield
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    Posted 11/09/2010 3:17 AM

    Roy looks slow and unmotivated, I think he has some physical problems. Sit him for a few games or weeks. Losing Outlaw and Webster hurt our athleticism and shooting. We havent replaced that.
    I am a fan of Batum taking fewer three's and dicovering the mid range!
  1. jivefield
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    Posted 11/09/2010 3:27 AM

    Blazers have messed with the roster too much in the last year. They had a solid group that had experience playing together, athleticism, outside shooting and they tore it apart. I really miss Outlaw, he could create his own shot at the end of games with that stop and pop, 6-9 and ahtletic with a nice mid range jumper, glad we got rid of that :(
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  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 11/09/2010 9:47 AM

    Okay people, settle down.

    The NBA is 82 games... We are like, 8 games in. 

    When we lost to the L.A Lakers, it was 5 games in 1 week and the Lakers were our 5th game. That is one of the roughest schedules in the entire NBA.

    Roy had a bad game, we got smashed.

    It happens. Move on. Roy is fine and will bounce back. Just be patient... If this were like the 75th game in the season I would be on the panic boat. 
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/09/2010 10:48 AM

    Posted By Tiki Kienle on 11/09/2010 9:47 AM
    Okay people, settle down.

    The NBA is 82 games... We are like, 8 games in. 

    When we lost to the L.A Lakers, it was 5 games in 1 week and the Lakers were our 5th game. That is one of the roughest schedules in the entire NBA.

    Roy had a bad game, we got smashed.

    It happens. Move on. Roy is fine and will bounce back. Just be patient... If this were like the 75th game in the season I would be on the panic boat. 

    Oh yes the voice of reason. We must have gotten smashed because Sean Marks didn't get his 20 points. What happened to that reasoning? Oh yeah, it's not funny.
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  1. mario250775
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    Posted 11/09/2010 11:58 AM

    Yes, I think the same way, He looks tired and that' all, it is always awful when you  lose in that way like we did with LA but it happen 

    when we lost this way every night it will be disaster but it is not. For me start of the season is good not very good but good enough !  

    wait for first 20 matches and then 40 and then look for statistic and standings and either we will be happy or we start to worry !?  

    I am looking forward to see Joel and Greg making our team stronger when they start to play finally !

    Let's go and win next match, GO BLAZERS ! ! !

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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 11/09/2010 12:38 PM

    I want to say he's tired, but I just can't help but think something is wrong with him. He's lookin like T-Mac a few years back. I hope it doesn't come to that.
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  1. reubenw
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    Posted 11/09/2010 1:44 PM

    I am not as worried about the LA game as the OKC game.  I have never seen Roy look that bad in the last minutes of the game.  He is normally as clutch as anyone whose ever played.  But he looked nervous.  That combined with his demeanor the last couple days makes me wonder.  I just hope that 8 day return didn't cut his career short.  He sounds like he's 35+ not 26.  Already saying his minutes need to come down and he plays lower to the ground.  He just sounds defeated.  I hope the team gets it figured out bc when he is right, Brandon is in the top 3 of SG's around the league.  We don't need a new star or a change.  We just need to fix this bump and move on with our season.  Its way too early for these types of articles!  Go Blazers!
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  1. reubenw
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    Posted 11/09/2010 1:49 PM

    To all those talking about Outlaw:  Are you saying Camby was not worth the trade?  If so you should not be allowed to comment any further bc you have no clue about this team.  Also Webster is out for at least 6 wks and maybe more.  Wesley will be a solid replacement, much more confidence than Martell.  This team is better than a year ago, although I do miss Howard. 
    I am a fan of of people getting off Roy and LA's back. Roy getting healthy and 2 Blazers in the all-star game!
  1. TJ31
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    Posted 11/09/2010 3:17 PM

    PUT THE WEIGHT BACK ON!!!!!  Roy can't bully his way into the lane after all the muscle he lost trying to get lighter....  Also Kobe plays with broken fingures and other problems why's Roy complaining about his knee after an offseason of rest??
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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 07/16/2011 12:33 PM

    Injury makes looking normal so much less.
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  1. Posted 07/16/2011 5:25 PM

    He came back to play in the same season he had DOUBLE KNEE SURGERY! of coarse hell play like sh** but when they heel he will play real close to what he used to play like. remember he played like miller (on the ground) not millers play style though. he has great handles so he will cross defenders. hes a great shooter will get his points like he should. but most importantly he will lead the team to a very deep play off run if not a championship. only thing that worries me is the way he will play with this new roster (every one has the ability to run on the break) felton will play a faster type of game will him and roy clash or will the form the most deadly team in the nba? 
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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 07/19/2011 9:23 AM

    B. Roy needs more then rest, He needs new cartilage in his knees. He will still be able to shoot well and play short spurts but never able to be a full time starter again with his knees the way they are. The best we can hope is for him to play well enough off the bench to entice a trade from another team for a 2nd rounder or as part of a combination trade.  
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 07/19/2011 3:33 PM

    Roy's days as a Blazer are over.  His double knee surgery was merely a procedure to go in and clean things up and was as much for evaluation of the severity of damage as it was clean-up.  There was absolutely no degree of repair rendered.  I love Brandon and will always wish him the best in all of his future endeavors.  There is a distinct possibility that BRoy could be the highest paid player in the league when basketball resumes, provided that the parameters of the amnesty agreement allow said circumstance.  In the past, amnesty has allowed players waived to sign with other teams while still collecting their previously signed contract money.  Can't think of too many other max players who may be waived.

    Again, best of luck to Brandon and his family.  Rip City will always love you.
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    Yeah and now Blazers have zero interest in Bynum. I really thought he was worth the small risk. If anything he would be at the end of our bench and we use him as a sub. Hopefully we do make some type of trade for a quality back up center. Right no...

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