Kevin Durant vs Brandon Roy
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/02/2010 10:06 PM

    Who is better and why?
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 11/02/2010 10:10 PM

    Brandon. Maybe not statistically, but his grasp on the game is just unbelievable. The subtle movements he does to get open are just a beauty to watch. Brandon isn't the greatest shooter, or the quickest baller, or the strongest but he knows the game so well none of that matters and he gets numbers. 20/5/5 to be exact.
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  1. LAS11291
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    Posted 11/02/2010 10:28 PM

    If the 2 we're in the same draft class, most people would probably take Durant, given his stats.
    But we all know who the better player is.
    Roy's not selfish (for the most part), he knows what wins games, and he applies that knowledge night in and night out.
    And one on one, I could see Roy burying Durant.
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/02/2010 11:13 PM

    Guys, come on. We all love Roy as we all are Blazer fans... but this isn't really a question. Durant averaged 30 ppg last year, thats better than Wade, Lebron and Kobe. He's a beast. Ask yourself if Durant was on our team, would you still say Roy is better? If yes, then that is respectable. I would just say that Durant is such a natural scorer, that I would take him, as he is a top 3 player in the league. I will admit that my "Blazer" instincts do come in and want to say Roy is better than Durant, but I can't say that until he leads us to a championship.
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 11/02/2010 11:20 PM

    Durant's a better scorer and rebounder, but Brandon has a better all around game and when the game is on the line you can go either way but i go with Brandon hands down.They both can inprove defensively, but the biggest thing will be who can take their team the furfest.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/02/2010 11:51 PM

    Durant is a top 3 player in the league?  Okay, you listen to way too much media hype.  So, he's better than all except two of these players..

    Kobe, LeBron, Wade, D.Howard, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, and Brandon Roy (and the list can go on)?

    Here are the stats for each...

    Durant
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3202

    Roy
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3027

    Roy leads in every category except rebounding and scoring.  But let's look at the Blazers compared to the Thunder.  The number one scoring option on the Blazers is Roy or Aldridge.  Most the time they like to start with LA.  On OKC, who is the next best scorer on the team?  Russell Westbrooke?  The Blazers themselves have more of a balanced team.  Unless he needs to, hardly does Roy shot jack.  If you watch Kevin Durant, you can see him taking bad shots.  Roy also has an aggressive drive, most the time Durant gets to the line is getting fouled on a jumpshot.

    Durant is just a good scorer, but, as you can see with his low assist average, never passes the ball.  Roy also has been in the NBA a year longer,  keeping that in mind while looking at the career averages.  For a great scorer, averaging 5 assists is pretty amazing.

    The one thing I think KD has the edge on is he moves better without the ball, while Roy loves to just sit on the 3 point line and make a play with the ball (which he has the edge on KD).

    Most of the time, Scott Brookes sets up a play for Durant.  Nate really only does that in close game situations.

    We can also view lots of replays which show Durant and Roy's careers.  Let's just say Roy has the bigger and better resume in late game situations and clutch time.

    The reason Durant gets so much hype is because he is a scorer, someone that is interesting to watch.  He also participated in FIBA and won, with the next best player being Chauncy Billups.  With LeBron turning into the "Villain" this offseason, the NBA looked for a hero.  With Durant's scoring ability, they looked at him.  He is in no way the MvP of this league, nor is he even close to being an MvP.  The NBA and media just overhype him to make profit.

    As far as Roy vs Durant, Roy has the edge, and I don't think I'm being all that biased for thinking so.  If Durant was selected over Oden, then I still believe Brandon would be the leader (something he's much better at) over Durant, and still would be the number one scorer.

    Even though I posted them, one thing you cannot do is look at the stats and simply say "oh Durant's better because he has better stats (even though they're fairly equal)".  It's what happens on the court (AKA, all around game) that makes Brandon the better player.
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:09 AM

    Posted By Herr on 11/02/2010 11:51 PM
    Durant is a top 3 player in the league?  Okay, you listen to way too much media hype.  So, he's better than all except two of these players..

    Kobe, LeBron, Wade, D.Howard, Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, and Brandon Roy (and the list can go on)?

    Here are the stats for each...

    Durant
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3202

    Roy
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3027

    Roy leads in every category except rebounding and scoring.  But let's look at the Blazers compared to the Thunder.  The number one scoring option on the Blazers is Roy or Aldridge.  Most the time they like to start with LA.  On OKC, who is the next best scorer on the team?  Russell Westbrooke?  The Blazers themselves have more of a balanced team.  Unless he needs to, hardly does Roy shot jack.  If you watch Kevin Durant, you can see him taking bad shots.  Roy also has an aggressive drive, most the time Durant gets to the line is getting fouled on a jumpshot.

    Durant is just a good scorer, but, as you can see with his low assist average, never passes the ball.  Roy also has been in the NBA a year longer,  keeping that in mind while looking at the career averages.  For a great scorer, averaging 5 assists is pretty amazing.

    The one thing I think KD has the edge on is he moves better without the ball, while Roy loves to just sit on the 3 point line and make a play with the ball (which he has the edge on KD).

    Most of the time, Scott Brookes sets up a play for Durant.  Nate really only does that in close game situations.

    We can also view lots of replays which show Durant and Roy's careers.  Let's just say Roy has the bigger and better resume in late game situations and clutch time.

    The reason Durant gets so much hype is because he is a scorer, someone that is interesting to watch.  He also participated in FIBA and won, with the next best player being Chauncy Billups.  With LeBron turning into the "Villain" this offseason, the NBA looked for a hero.  With Durant's scoring ability, they looked at him.  He is in no way the MvP of this league, nor is he even close to being an MvP.  The NBA and media just overhype him to make profit.

    As far as Roy vs Durant, Roy has the edge, and I don't think I'm being all that biased for thinking so.  If Durant was selected over Oden, then I still believe Brandon would be the leader (something he's much better at) over Durant, and still would be the number one scorer.

    Even though I posted them, one thing you cannot do is look at the stats and simply say "oh Durant's better because he has better stats (even though they're fairly equal)".  It's what happens on the court (AKA, all around game) that makes Brandon the better player.

    I listen to too much media hype? I guess I pay too much attention in school too because I actually can spell. Seriously, learn how to spell please because you're spelling people's names wrong so its a bit difficult to follow your post. And yes, scoring and rebounding are probably the two most important stats in the game of basketball, so if a player averages more points and more rebounds than another player, he is probably better. I know basketball, maybe you don't.  I'm not saying Roy is a bad player, you're just taking it personal. I think you're a little less knowledgeable when you say that the only reason Durant is popular is because LeBron is a "villain." If you truly believe that you're retarted.
    Or maybe that's just me
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:32 AM

    Calm down, I'm not taking anything personal, maybe you are if you're calling me "retarted" and making a personal jab at my spelling.  Nor did I say that Kevin Durant is only popular because of LeBron Jame's move.  It just happens to be a big reason he's number one on MVP list instead of LeBron.

    I'm curious to who's name I spelled wrong by the way, and how exactly that makes my post hard to follow.  Maybe you just don't have a decent argument to back it up.  Scoring and rebounding are important, that's why the Blazers share the load.  OKC doesn't have the length or scoring ability the Blazers do.  Let's also not forget Roy's fadeaway and buzzer beaters ALREADY this season.  We know he can take over (I believe he did against the Clippers when nothing was happening with the rest of the team in the 2nd quarter).  He has every bit, if not more, of a scoring arsenal that Kevin Durant has.

    Also, Durant has already more FGA than Roy.

    Can you answer my question though please.  Which two players are above Kevin Durant if he's the 3rd best player?
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  1. I''m OUT!
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    Posted 11/03/2010 3:35 AM

    Posted By blazersforlife234 on 11/03/2010 12:09 AM
    I listen to too much media hype? I guess I pay too much attention in school too because I actually can spell. Seriously, learn how to spell please because you're spelling people's names wrong so its a bit difficult to follow your post. And yes, scoring and rebounding are probably the two most important stats in the game of basketball, so if a player averages more points and more rebounds than another player, he is probably better. I know basketball, maybe you don't.  I'm not saying Roy is a bad player, you're just taking it personal. I think you're a little less knowledgeable when you say that the only reason Durant is popular is because LeBron is a "villain." If you truly believe that you're retarted.
    Or maybe that's just me

    Maybe you should learn to spell retarded.
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  1. blazersisthebest
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    Posted 11/03/2010 6:37 AM

    Everyone knows that Roy is not that explosive scorer as Durant. But, we all know that Roy is a smart, a very good clutch player and a very good player. Durant is a scorer a shooter. Roy is natural, he does everything naturally. He is smooth and a smart. He is UNDER-RATED.He passes a lot more. He is actually more of a point guard than a shooting guard. well, at least plays like one. He does things that does not show up on the stat sheet. For me Roy is better.
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  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 11/03/2010 6:46 AM

    Depends what you're looking for.

    Durant: Selfish scorer, can win ball games by going into a selfish mode.

    Roy: Can score when prompted, gets team involved, makes his team better, good attitude.
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/03/2010 8:15 AM

    Posted By Herr on 11/03/2010 12:32 AM
    Calm down, I'm not taking anything personal, maybe you are if you're calling me "retarted" and making a personal jab at my spelling.  Nor did I say that Kevin Durant is only popular because of LeBron Jame's move.  It just happens to be a big reason he's number one on MVP list instead of LeBron.

    I'm curious to who's name I spelled wrong by the way, and how exactly that makes my post hard to follow.  Maybe you just don't have a decent argument to back it up.  Scoring and rebounding are important, that's why the Blazers share the load.  OKC doesn't have the length or scoring ability the Blazers do.  Let's also not forget Roy's fadeaway and buzzer beaters ALREADY this season.  We know he can take over (I believe he did against the Clippers when nothing was happening with the rest of the team in the 2nd quarter).  He has every bit, if not more, of a scoring arsenal that Kevin Durant has.

    Also, Durant has already more FGA than Roy.

    Can you answer my question though please.  Which two players are above Kevin Durant if he's the 3rd best player?
    Haha dude I am calm I'm not the one who got all pissed just because someone answered my question. Yes, I did spell retarded wrong, my bad. I usually don't spell that word. And you did imply that Durant is only made popular because of LeBron, which is not true, because Durant was definitely recognized BEFORE the whole LeBron saga. Durant has been recognized as one of the best players in the league for over a year now, as he had is "coming out party" last season. You spelt Chauncey Billups' name wrong and Scott Brooks by the way.  And I do have a good argument, you just are a homer that's all.  I'm not arguing that OKC is better than us, I just believe Durant is a better player. Big deal. And Roy has buzzer beaters this season?  No game winners, lots of players have buzzer beaters to end periods. Trust me, I love Roy, and I'm not trying to get into an argument, you just don't know how to debate a good topic. And yes, of course Durant has more FGA than roy, because he is more of a scorer and his offense is built solely around him.
    And here is the answer to your question: DURANT. And above him are LeBron and Kobe. There.  Now please don't get upset to my response, just take it as it is and don't feel like you have to fire back at me
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  1. EowynAmarie
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    Posted 11/03/2010 9:32 AM

    Definitely Roy. His game is far more well-rounded and complete than Durant's. Yes, Kevin is really good at shooting the ball and scoring. Really, really good. However, Roy  passes, sets up his teammates, takes over when he NEEDS to, is clutch (and that is a widespread opinion around the league, not just by Blazer fans), can play inside, out, and beyond the arc, gets to the line and typically makes his free throws (not so much so far this season, but that will smooth out as it progresses), and has a lot of poise. Durant shoots and rebounds. If he didn't have Westbrook and Sefolosha, he wouldn't be in the MVP discussion because his team would be a bottom-feeder.

    I absolutely agree with Herr that a big part of the reason for the NBA's love affair with Durant right now is due to Lebron's fall from grace. The true test will be if Durant manages to continue to be held in such high regard when Lebron is forgiven as the Heat continue what they have started (much to my own disappointment). When the Heat are 25-6 and the Thunder are 20-11, will Durant still be in the MVP discussion? My guess is no.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 11/03/2010 10:22 AM

    @Herr: I wouldn't say Durant isn't close to being MVP, he's definitely in the top 5 because of his scoring ability.

    Another thing I forgot to add about Durant is Scott Brooks is trying to have Durant make decisions with the ball. He's very turnover prone. In fact, he's averaging 4 turnovers and 1.7 assists a game. Can he distribute the ball? No, he's no better than 'Melo.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 11/03/2010 11:11 AM

    Brandon - because he plays for our team!!!!
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:31 PM

    @blazersforlife234

      People like you always make poor posters,  the ones that think everyone is getting annoyed while trying to have a simple discussion.  So far you're the only one that has said Kevin Durant is better, and you've provided nothing to why Durant is better except that he scores and rebounds.  Like I said, Kevin Durant moves well without the ball, and like EwoynAmarie said, without Westbrooke, his team is a bottom feeder, rather than the mediocre team they are now.

    The reason that OKC had so much success is because,  you mentioned it, a coming out party.  But... let's look at their statistics.  Credit to great posters on NBA's Fanvoice.

    " In their final 20 wins, 14 were against teams that missed the playoffs. Of there final 11 defeats, nine were to playoff clubs.

    They went 17-9 with 14 games vs. non-playoff teams. They played eight additional games vs. playoff teams that were minus one or multiple starters, while they themselves had their best three players healthy for all 82 games."

    Link - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/499470-2010-2011-nba-season-power-ranking-the-30-nba-franchises-and-what-to-expect#page/20

    And, well, instead of copying a 7 paragraph essay, read this thread from fanvoice...

    http://my.nba.com/go/thread/view/81689/25583393/Did_OKC_over-achieve_last_season?pg=[[page]]&pg=5

    Kevin Durant, being the "leader" of the team, got recognized by the NBA, so they tried to make money by overhyping him.  With his success in FIBA and LeBron becoming a villain, they are taking every advantage they can because Kevin Durant was the hero.  Nearly every article about LeBron or Kevin Durant around the time of FIBA mentioned the other player.  In a "OMG LEBRON SUCKS" article, you'd see something about Kevin Durant winning FIBA.  When you saw a "KEVIN DURANT MVP NOW!" article, you'd see how bad of a person LeBron is.  The NBA is using them to make profit, because regardless of what LeBron, the best player in the league, does he's still going to make money for the league.  Actually, I think sales went up when he joined the Heat...

    As far as the rest of your post goes... I really don't see how you're making a discussion except typing in a format of "omg believe me Durant is better!".  You didn't provide any logical reasoning of why Durant is better, in fact, you just strengthen my argument because you said "lots of people have buzzer beaters".  Brandon has around 4 already.  Durant has zero.  So, if lots of people have buzzer beaters, I assume you're agreeing that Durant isn't better than Brandon because he has none.  He also mentioned exactly what I mentioned, and again just make my point more valid.  Kevin Durant has one less year in the NBA than Brandon Roy, and already has more FGA.  The offense is built around him.  If the offense was built around Roy,  Roy could EASILY score the same amount if he got the same amount of touches, and we can see that.  Roy's career high in points is 52.  Durant's is 42.  Roy has also scored more than 42 multiple times.

    Durant also averaged 30 points a game.  The person scoring the second most was Westbrooke, at nearly half that - 16 points a game.  For the Blazers, the leading scorer Roy averaged 21.5.  LMA averaged 17.9. Miller averaged 14. Oden 11.1.  Nicolas Batum 10.1.  As you can see, the starters all averaged double figures, as opposed to the Thunder, where three of the starters averaged over 10 points.  As we can see, the Blazers are much more balanced than the Thunder, who give their scoring to Kevin Durant, who also shoots a lower FG% than Roy.

    I'm not mad, but appears you are until you create a discussion.  I've given my proof and statistics, you haven't.  Let's hear them.  You're welcome to believe Kevin Durant is better than Brandon Roy, that's fine with me, but the way you typed in your previous post makes you think we're all stupid homers, which I highly doubt we are when everyones backed up their case except you.  (Ironically, everyone that has backed themselves up and gave logical reasons have said Roy is the better player).

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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:32 PM

    Hmmm, when I was quoting there wasn't a post reply button, so I had to copy and paste and it appears my paragraphs were erased.  sorry for the mess.
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  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:50 PM

    This thread was dead to me till I read Kevin Durant as being 3rd in line for MVP.... LOL!!!!!!!

    AHAHAHA

    No. I wouldn't even put Kevin in the top 10.

    1) Lebron
    2) Kobe
    3) Rondo
    4) Wade
    5) Rose
    6) I would even put Anthony ahead of Kevin D
    7) Dwight
    8) Roy
    9) Pau Gasol (Obviously won't get it, but making the players around him better, great stats thus far)
    10) Griffen, but I will admit, he needs to get his team some wins before this can happen
    11) Durant. He can score........ Why do you think he's such a low pick for fantasy teams? Because fantasy counts more then just SCORING.

    And to backup my Rondo pick, he's averaging the most assissts in the league right now, scoring is not bad for looking at the depth on that team, he's a hard worker, does not get as many minutes as KD and leading a team of veterans to what I believe will be the next champions in the NBA.
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  1. Hg
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:53 PM

     

    I, of course, love BRoy and yes I am a homer and yes I am bias. My nod goes to BRoy because of Herr and EowynAmaria statement that BRoy is the most complete player and a team player, and I think team players are more important.

     

    The argument of Herr and blazer4life23 is not even a just argument. Herr wins by a landslide. This was a blog on who do you think is the best and Herr was expressing his opinion. Is blazerforlife23 saying that Herr's opinion is wrong? Opinions are not fact and are never right or wrong they are opinions, Herr didn't say they were facts he just said what he feels.

    I also concur with EowynAmaria, that BRoy's game is more complete then KD's, therefore not taking anything away from KD, IMO, again the nod goes to BRoy.

    It is still an unfair question though. BRoy went to college for 4 years and has been in the NBA longer then KD. They both play for different teams and different coaches, and they both are different style of players. Durant is a high volume scorer and BRoy is a team player. That in it self doesn’t make either better just different with different degree of experience.

    Blazersisthebest: Saying that BRoy is not explosive offensive, is not the opinion of most players that play against him. Most say he lolls you to sleep then in wink of an eye explodes on you. "The sandman"

    I also feel that calling Herr a retard for what you think of him is really out of line. Being critical of him for his spelling than misspelling retard makes me wonder about your emotional maturity---.

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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:58 PM

    Haha guys im not saying who is right and wrong! And Herr, what does that mean about posters i dont get it? I just expressed my opinion and you lashed back at me. Period.
    Ok.
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/03/2010 12:59 PM

    All I did was post a reply and Herr got upset and basically called me stupid.  If I wanna post something you don't have to get upset and reply to me
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  1. Hg
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:01 PM

    Blazerforlife23: I would Also like to know what names did Herr misspell? And how is his post hard to read. I am 70 years old 3/4 blind and I can read the post just fine.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:05 PM

    I still also don't understand how me spelling two peoples names wrong, which he knew exactly who I was talking about, made my post difficult to read.
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:06 PM

    Haha Russell Westbrook, Scott Brooks, and Chauncey Billups just for the record. I'm not upset at it I was just pointing it out.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:07 PM

    I didn't lash out on you, I was just stating my opinion.  Sorry if you thought I was yelling at you, that wasn't the case.  It's hard to get emotion out of text rather than talking in real life.  I hardly ever get angry on the internet.  (I do get annoyed however, but I'm not annoyed at you.  I do visit fanvoice every so often and people there are... ugh...)
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  1. laric33
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:07 PM

    I think there is one thing everyone needs to look at when they try and decide who is better. Look at the Blazers as a whole, We really arn't a high scoring team, we play a slow developed games most of the time. So already there are less chances for Roy or for anyone to score. Also look at how many shots Roy takes in a game. He scores in the 20's on normally a very low amount of shots, because like people have been saying, he takes good shots, he is unselfish, and there are other people on the team that can score, he isn't the only one that carried the team. Think about this... What if Roy and Durant switched teams. So Roy plays for the Thunder now... I think his points would go up, maybe his shooting percentage down, and possibly if Durant played for us his scoring would go down but his percentage up? Just something to think about. I mean, we have all seen it when Kobe has scored 40 or 50 points and i always go wow, he must have been hot tonight... but then I look at his shooting percentage and it really wasn't that great, He just shot the ball a million times. Roy shoots less but still scores high. Thats why I think he is better
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  1. Hg
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:11 PM

    blazersforlife23:

    It was you that called Herr retarded. Herr was just debating your assessment and disagreeing with you. I too disagree with you, I am not questioning your IQ, I am just disagreeing with you, does that make me a retard also.
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:17 PM

    Ok so Herr, I'm not gonna lie, I didn't read your long most recent post the first time before I re-posted. But now I did. You make valid points, I will give you that. All I'm asking is why you got upset after I made my first post. I'm mature, I was just making a point.  I love the Blazers more than anyone here I guarantee you, but I'll lay some facts down.
    1. Durant is on team USA, Roy isn't.
    2. Durant scores more
    3. Durant rebounds more
    4. Durant has a higher 3 pt percentage (all these stats are from last year)
    5. Durant has less of a supporting cast, so you validate my point that he does more to help his team than Roy, because we have more of an overall team.
    6. Durant finished higher in MVP voting after last year (and the voters know more about the NBA than we all do because they watch EVERYONE)
    7. Durant is publicly more recognized (I know, media hype, but that counts for something because ex-NBA players are part of the media so they know good players).
    8. Durant gets to the free throw line more
    9. Durant is injured less, so we can see more of him. NOW IM NOT SAYING THAT ROY IS NOT AS GOOD BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN INJURED, I'm simply saying that Durant plays in every game, so his stats are harder to keep up game in and game out.
    I love Roy guys he is a great player, top 10 in the league for sure. Just read my arguments and please don't get mad and feel the need to express anger at me
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  1. blazersforlife234
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:19 PM

    We are all Blazer fans so we can agree to disagree I guess.
    I'll say this... If Roy finished with a better season this year, then I give it to him. I'm just going off of what I've previously seen.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:48 PM

    I don't know where you are saying I got upset.  I'm just saying you listen to the media hype too much because Durant, even statically, isn't the third best player in the NBA, but the NBA ranks him there, again, because it's over hyping him.  Because of that hype, Durant gets what I like to call "Charity calls".  Brandon is more physical and aggressive than Durant most the time.  He takes a jumpshot and gets a charity call.  Saw lots of them in his three games.  Was he really fouled?  Most the time not.  I'm not much of a ref hater, but charity calls do happen a lot.  After all, look at last years finals.  In my opinion, that isn't a 7 game series, and the Lakers don't win.  They got 20 ft attempts in the final quarter, and made around 3 less FGs than the Celtics, and won by 4. Granted, most were fouls, but some you could debate on, and it came down to a refs decision which gave the Lakers the Championship.

    Durant has less of a supporting cast... which is why he shoots way more than Roy.  That's what I'm saying.  As for caring the load... I disagree. I saw Westbrooke doing much more than Durant against the Lakers.  And it's not all that hard to make a wide open jumpshot, something Westbrooke/other players provide.

    Durant may not have been injured, but he still hasn't played as many games as Brandon.  Brandon still has the edge, of I believe 60+ games.

    Durant barely has a better 3pt% than Roy, but it's still better, however, Roy is not meant for 3 point shooting, and only does shoot it if he is open.  Durant is made for jumpshooting, which is why they keep Green.

    Voters are part of the media.  Do you really think Scott Brooks was the best coach of last year?  COY and MVP aren't based on who is the best, it's based on stats.  Why Brooks won it over Skiles or McMillan is beyond me, based on the fact. The NBA just likes the surprise I guess.  We've already gone how Brandon doesn't produce as much statistically as KD, but I believe I've proven multiple times how stats aren't what determines a better player.

    Durant being on team USA... hmm... I don't pay attention to that all that much, but why wasn't Kobe or LeBron on Team USA, who you said are better?  Also, Aldridge was invited to be on Team USA, which he turned down to get his body in shape.  So, according to the fact KD was on team USA and not Brandon must mean that Aldridge is better than Brandon as well?  Point being, FIBA is not the Olympics.  There isn't nearly as much competition.

    As for rebounds... Durant rebounds about 2 more than Roy?  Yet Roy has LMA, Batum, Camby, Pryzbilla, and Oden, along with the other team, to compete in rebounds with?  I'd say it's pretty impressive that Roy averages 5 a game.
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  1. Herr
    Herr
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    Posted 11/03/2010 1:49 PM

    Don't worry,  I'm not taking anything personal.  Just talking basketball.  I don't hold grudges on people, unless they go as far as some lowlife OKC fan making fun of Maurice Lucas passing away.
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  1. blazersforlife234
    blazersforlife234
    Posts: 347

    Posted 11/03/2010 2:35 PM

    Yep, I see we've settled this argument lol. I just thought at the beginning you came on harsh to me, but I could very well have taken it the wrong way like you said, because reading text isn't like talking in person. I just believe that Durant is a great player, but I'd love to see Roy have a better year this year and leap him in the eyes of the NBA world, and that WILL happen if we so far as to reach the NBA Finals. Not to argue, but LeBron and Kobe are on team U.S.A (I'm still referring to the last team that won gold at the 2008 Olympics/2010 FIBAs)
    Hey, I do agree that Brooks should NOT have been coach of the year, and Nate (or Skiles) should have been, with all of the injuries and us still winning 50 games.
    End of story.....
    GO BLAZERS
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 11/04/2010 10:15 AM

    Well Brooks took a 23 win team from the prior season with little changes and got 50 wins. That's something. But getting 50 wins, with pretty much 2 good role players and 1 all-star and a cast of 2nd and 3rd stringers. THAT'S something.
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  1. LAS11291
    LAS11291
    Posts: 175

    Posted 11/04/2010 5:39 PM

    @Blazersforlife243: Did you really just tell herr to watch his/her spelling, and then spell "retarded", "retarted"? You're joking right? lol. We could go on all day about who is better, Durant or Roy. But none of us actually play against either of them. Just ask Kobe Bryant who the better overall player is. lol. Scoring & rebounding are not the most important factors of basketball. You have to look at every aspect of the players game. If Roy was chucking up 25 shots, and averaging 40+ minutes a game I'm sure he'd be the scoring champion too. We have a overall better roster than the Thunder, with more scoring options. We don't need Roy to go out and throw 25 shots a game, because we have Aldridge, Batum, & Miller who all can score as well. Don't try coming at me stating anything else. I was a star in high school. I Averaged 22 ppg, 5reb, and 12 ast's a game my Junior year; can you guess what position I played?? lol I would've went all the way but dropped out my Junior year because I had m daughter and I thought it was too much at the time.
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  1. LAS11291
    LAS11291
    Posts: 175

    Posted 11/04/2010 5:39 PM

    @Blazersforlife243: Did you really just tell herr to watch his/her spelling, and then spell "retarded", "retarted"? You're joking right? lol. We could go on all day about who is better, Durant or Roy. But none of us actually play against either of them. Just ask Kobe Bryant who the better overall player is. lol. Scoring & rebounding are not the most important factors of basketball. You have to look at every aspect of the players game. If Roy was chucking up 25 shots, and averaging 40+ minutes a game I'm sure he'd be the scoring champion too. We have a overall better roster than the Thunder, with more scoring options. We don't need Roy to go out and throw 25 shots a game, because we have Aldridge, Batum, & Miller who all can score as well. Don't try coming at me stating anything else. I was a star in high school. I Averaged 22 ppg, 5reb, and 12 ast's a game my Junior year; can you guess what position I played?? lol I would've went all the way but dropped out my Junior year because I had m daughter and I thought it was too much at the time.
    I am a fan of you checking your email because Elliot Williams is sending you a message!
  1. blazersforlife234
    blazersforlife234
    Posts: 347

    Posted 11/04/2010 6:23 PM

    haha its irony. Where did you play at in high school?  And I know, the debate could go on all day... I'm just stating what I've seen. I played in high school too... but where did you play and what year... jw.
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  1. Posted 11/04/2010 7:17 PM

    Brandon Roy because he plays for the greatest team in NBA history! THE PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS! GO BLAZERS! 10 11 Champs
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  1. blazersforlife234
    blazersforlife234
    Posts: 347

    Posted 11/04/2010 7:22 PM

    This is why one of my points is right over the rest of you guys haha
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  1. TayC
    TayC
    Posts: 1804

    Posted 11/05/2010 9:53 AM

    Posted By TomL on 11/03/2010 3:35 AM
    Posted By blazersforlife234 on 11/03/2010 12:09 AM
    I listen to too much media hype? I guess I pay too much attention in school too because I actually can spell. Seriously, learn how to spell please because you're spelling people's names wrong so its a bit difficult to follow your post. And yes, scoring and rebounding are probably the two most important stats in the game of basketball, so if a player averages more points and more rebounds than another player, he is probably better. I know basketball, maybe you don't.  I'm not saying Roy is a bad player, you're just taking it personal. I think you're a little less knowledgeable when you say that the only reason Durant is popular is because LeBron is a "villain." If you truly believe that you're retarted.
    Or maybe that's just me

    Maybe you should learn to spell retarded.

    Oh god, here we go again, Tom isnt it still a little soon for you to be hittin on new people....



    Depends what you're looking for.

    Durant: Selfish scorer, can win ball games by going into a selfish mode.

    Roy: Can score when prompted, gets team involved, makes his team better, good attitude.

    Thank goodness we have a Godsend on our team, perhaps Roy could get a Nobel Peace Prize before he brings a title to Portland........
    BoooHooo.
    And then you go and do something so foolish as to putting Blake GRIFFIN in the Top 10 players in the NBA? I mean dude, you have no solid Logic what so ever.
    If you put Blake in there for how he just showed up this year, and started to dominate, well i mean if thats how your judging these guys, then Kevin Durant would be number 1 on your list. This guy has been in the league for 3 years, and busts out with 30ppg, takes his Virgin team to the playoffs, and not only that, but he gives the defending champs a big scare in the playoffs. Not to mention the FIBA WORLD DOMINATION tour that took place this summer, may i remind you Durant led the team UNDEFEATED, while claiming its MvP award. 

    Guys, come on. We all love Roy as we all are Blazer fans... but this isn't really a question. Durant averaged 30 ppg last year, thats better than Wade, Lebron and Kobe. He's a beast. Ask yourself if Durant was on our team, would you still say Roy is better? If yes, then that is respectable. I would just say that Durant is such a natural scorer, that I would take him, as he is a top 3 player in the league. I will admit that my "Blazer" instincts do come in and want to say Roy is better than Durant, but I can't say that until he leads us to a championship.
    Those are my thoughts.

    This, is a smart guy.
    He is a Blazer Fan, but he's not naive. 
     Honestly guys, you dont have to be ignorant....all the time, just acknowledge the truth.
    Kevin Durant is a force to be reckoned with.
    Really WHO CARES about missing shots if you can snag the rebound without ANY COMPETITION. To buy into that whole " the TV is making Durant better than he is" BS i mean, its really just ridiculous, i suppose its the TV that makes his team BLOW by others too, and TV was responsible for 30ppg, right......

    I mean this guy is exploding like Bron did. He has already developed a fear factor amongst teams. I went to the Clipper vs Thunder game this week, and during that first quarter, i saw how the Clippers were almost TOO NERVOUS to play well. They were fumbling the ball, playing extremely safe keeping it in the back court, they just looked odd, the OKC defense was boxing out and not making it any easier on the Clips. Now the game was a bad one, Durant with poor shot selection, and the team itself has no idea of the concept of PASSING, but thats  not the point.
    Last night, when the Blazers CHOKED big time, at the close of the 4th, and the entire OT, i saw the same "giddiness" in the Blazers that had fallen onto the Clips.
    Fumbling the ball, not making the best pass, a complete lack of offense, just a train wreck between 5 guys. They just couldn't produce, they couldn't finish like a closer. 


    The Thunder were 3rd last year in Blocked shots, but alot of you may have thought a team like.....idk...say....like......a different one, haha, would of had that title.
    Now Durant may not play the best defense, but he had 3 big blocks last night, not to mention one against Batum, who'm ive deemed his best rival. So i dont want to hear no more about Durant not being able to play defense. haha. But his real defense comes from that fear he imposes on the team, the team itself is a threat, they are the Fastbreak KINGS, so that right there allows no room for mistakes. Westbrook is just getting better, and there is just NO answer the Blazers could give to stop him. So i think Durant should get a little..... A LOT more credit then you guys are giving him, i mean if none of these points work for you, then just remember how Portland JUST LOST to them, maybe it will be enough. 

    Wow, and i can still say, that in this match up Brandon Roy is the better player.
    But ask me again next year, and i will probably have Kevin, he needs to gets some assists. ha



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