Is LaMarcus Aldridge An Elite-Level Power Forward?
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/30/2010 11:33 AM

    Where Does LaMarcus Aldridge Rank Among The NBA's Best Power Forwards?
    1-5 (32)
     38%
    6-10 (34)
     40%
    11-15 (15)
     18%
    16-20 (3)
     4%
    Not in Top 20 (1)
     1%



    Is LMA an elite-level power forward? One of the many million dollar questions facing the Trail Blazers this upcoming season. We all realize how important Aldridge is to the team's overall success and future plans. Can he take that proverbial 'next step'? Well, the guys over at Ball Don't Lie don't seem to think he's ready for prime time just yet as evidenced by his rank as only the 11th best power forward in the NBA, saying:
    Factoring in minutes and pace and efficiency and all that, and LMA has more or less been the same player since his rookie year. That might disappoint some who see the potential for stardom in him (people like me, who see those gifts and that length and wonder why he can't do more with it), but if you're going to get stuck in a rut, 18 points and a little under eight boards a game isn't all that bad a rut to find yourself in.
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    The Top 10 list is pretty questionable if you ask me:
    10-  Kevin Love
    9-   Zach Randolph
    8-   Kevin Garnett
    7-   Josh Smith
    6-   Carlos Boozer
    5-   Chris Bosh
    4-   Dirk Nowitzki
    3-   Amare Stoudemire
    2-   Tim Duncan
    1-   Pau Gasol

    This isn't 2001 and KG and Duncan should not be above Aldridge at this point in time in their careers. This is not a lifetime rank, but a rank of talent going into the next season. Also, does defense get factored in at all? I'm a big Z-Bo guy, but the dude plays zero defense. And Kevin Love? That is a slap in the face to LMA if you ask me. While I believe Aldridge has holes in his game that need to be worked on, he should be ranked around 6-7. I think if he works on staying in the post more often and gets his rebounding numbers higher, he'll make the All-Star team and finally take that 'next step'. Is he an elite-level power forward right now? No. Can he be with a couple of great back to back seasons? Most definitely.  In my eyes, only Dirk, Pau, and Amare are the elite-level 4's in the NBA. What's your take?
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 08/30/2010 11:39 AM

    I agree with most of the list except one. LMA is number 10 and Kevin Love is none of the above.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/30/2010 11:46 AM

    Elite - no, I don't think so. Not until he rebounds a little better and develops some low post offense. I do think if Greg is what we think, LA's game will compliment it perfectly. I kind of agree with what they said about him.

    I don't know what's up with that list though. Kevin Love? Zach is a machine, but most of his rebounds come from his own misses (I do like how he does that though) - and like you said... NO defense. That's half the game, right?
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  1. moralesj88
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    Posted 08/30/2010 2:07 PM

    1-bosh
    2-nowitski
    3-gasol
    4-stoudemire
    5-Aldridge.

    Thats more like it
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  1. FamousRoy
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    Posted 08/30/2010 2:27 PM

    I don't question this list.  LaMarcus won't be in the top ten until he gets more than 9 boards a game and plays more defense.  I'm not saying he's a bad defender, but defense is the real reason why Duncan and Garnett are still ranked as high as they are.  The only person LaMarcus might be better than on the list is Kevin Love, ranked at no. 10.
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  1. Posted 08/30/2010 2:36 PM

    Yes Aldridge is an elite power forward. He's easily top 5-6. Pau Gasol, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki and its a toss up between him and Josh Smith. Amare Stoudemire is beater as we seen in the playoffs. No dis to L.A. I consider him a center because thats where he plays half the time any way. Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are past their prime so he passes them. Zach Randolph are you kidding me? Yeah he's a 20 and 10 guy but he's a ball hog and dosen't play defense and have noticed what ever team he plays for the end up with a losing record.coincidense? Kevin Love beater than Aldridge thats like saying Tyreke Evans is better than B-Roy. Yes Love is a great player and is doing great on the U.S.A team but he's to young and L.A is just better, He has leadership which he showed when Roy was out and he has a great point guard in andre miller to make him look better. So as you can now see he is one of the leages best at the power forward position and thats why Portland is an elite team in the NBA.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/30/2010 2:58 PM

    Posted By BlAzErS_FaN_FoR_LiFe712 on 08/30/2010 2:36 PM 
    I consider him a center because thats where he plays half the time any way.
    Dude! Check out 82games.com. It is really really cool. They track everything. Anyway, they say last year LA played 64% of the Blazer's minutes at PF, and 8% at Center. He's a PF for sure. He played some C a couple of years ago when he had to, but he doesn't do it much.
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/30/2010 3:13 PM

    ^ its an interesting point though. Bosh played 49% at the 5 and 24% at the 4, and Duncan played 55% at the 5 and 7% at the 4. I was bored this afternoon. Also, Amare was on the all-star ballot as a center.
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 08/30/2010 3:32 PM

    Posted By moralesj88 on 08/30/2010 2:07 PM
    1-bosh
    2-nowitski
    3-gasol
    4-stoudemire
    5-Aldridge.

    Thats more like it

    Its more than just bad luck that Shaq put up like 45 against the raptors this year, its because chris bosh totaly blows on defense.  I admit he is an absolute monster on offence, but in my opinion he is like 6 or 7th best pf since he plays such crappy d.  Same with Nowitski, although he is better than Bosh so I dont really have any problem with you putting him ahead of gasol, stoudamire, and Duncan.

    My list is

    1-Gasol
    2- Nowitki
    3. Duncan
    4.Smith
    5.Stoudamire

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    Posted 08/30/2010 3:44 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 08/30/2010 11:33 AM

    This isn't 2001 and KG and Duncan should not be above Aldridge at this point in time in their careers. This is not a lifetime rank, but a rank of talent going into the next season. Also, does defense get factored in at all? I'm a big Z-Bo guy, but the dude plays zero defense.
    Did you watch Lamarcus play against those guys last year? He didn't exactly prove he was better. I think he had one good game against Duncan, but both Duncan and Garnett still play better D than Lamarcus and has Lamarcus ever scored more than 19 points against Garnett? This isn't a lifetime rank, but it also isn't based on where someone could be if they played up to their potential. Also I don't think Lamarcus plays much better D than Z BO. So I'm thinking he was ranked in the right spot, maybe he is tenth but he definitely isn't elite status... yet (I hope).
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    Posted 08/30/2010 3:51 PM

    Posted By ***Jason*** on 08/30/2010 3:13 PM
    ^ its an interesting point though. Bosh played 49% at the 5 and 24% at the 4, and Duncan played 55% at the 5 and 7% at the 4. I was bored this afternoon. Also, Amare was on the all-star ballot as a center.

    I don't understand those percentages. So where was Bosh playing the other 27% of the time and where was Duncan 38% of the time?!?! Point Guard?
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    Posted 08/30/2010 3:56 PM

    Posted By TomL on 08/30/2010 3:51 PM
    Posted By ***Jason*** on 08/30/2010 3:13 PM
    ^ its an interesting point though. Bosh played 49% at the 5 and 24% at the 4, and Duncan played 55% at the 5 and 7% at the 4. I was bored this afternoon. Also, Amare was on the all-star ballot as a center.

    I don't understand those percentages. So where was Bosh playing the other 27% of the time and where was Duncan 38% of the time?!?! Point Guard?


    That's all of the minutes of Toronto's 82 game season last year. The other 27% of the time he was either on the bench or injured.
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    Posted 08/30/2010 4:02 PM

    Production by Position

    Player Floor Time Stats by Position
    Position
    Min
    Net Pts
    Off
    Def
    Net48
    W
    L
    Win%
    PG
    SG
    SF
    PF
      3%
    -37
     104.3  118.8 -14.5
    6
    11
    35%
    C
      60%
    +39
     104.7  104.0 .8
    36
    33
    52%
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 08/30/2010 4:07 PM

    I'm not the biggest Aldridge fan on this site, but he's better than Love, easily. Therefore he's not Top 5, but I'd put him in my Top 10. He needs to get nastier on the glass and learn to park his tush in the post and do work in the paint all game long, shooting mid-range jumpers only in the flow of the offense, not as a primary option.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/30/2010 4:59 PM

    Couldn't agree more with ClydeFrog.  If there is one thing LA needs to work on more than any other, it's his LOWER BODY AND CORE strength...NOT his guns, which he seems every offseason to target.  I think I'm blue in the face I've said it so much on this site.  The guy is a talent, but at that PF position, plays far too upright.  Get that booty down, bend those knees, and develop your back-to-the-basket game LA...please!  If LaMarcus is able to add this to his skill set, he will easily be top 5.  The rebounds will follow as well.  For me, based on what I've seen from Aldridge to this point in his career, he's 6-10 now. 

    In addition, I completely agree with everyone else, Hawes included, that this list shouldn't be based on career numbers or effectiveness, thus Timmy and KG shouldn't be anywhere NEAR where they are at...no more than we should want LA ranked higher solely on POTENTIAL.

    Also, we should all bear in mind that Dirk isn't all that different than LA.  Same "soft" reputation.  Similar absentism in the paint.  Primarily a jumpshooter...yet, every year, an all-star.  Where is HE ranked?
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  1. Hopman27
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    Posted 08/30/2010 5:43 PM

    With the expected return of Oden, I don't expect to see Aldridge get that many rebounds.  However, even though with Oden back, I DO expect to see him go back to averaging at least 1 block a game.  Aldridge is going to have to really hustle for that.  Who knows?  That one block could be the decider of a game. 
    I don't consider Aldridge elite, but he definitely has the ability to.  At this point, I consider him just below an All-Star PF.  But even when he becomes an All-Star, that doesn't make him elite.  The reverse could be said; he could be elite and still not make the All-Star. 
    So recap:  If he wants to become elite he must become a bit more of a banger, grab a few more boards(optional, unless Oden is not on the field), and back to avg. 1 BPG(whether there is Oden, or Camby, or both in)

    Just have full faith in Roy, Aldridge, and Oden, and we'll beat the Heat. 
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    Posted 08/30/2010 11:18 PM

    Posted By ClydeFrog on 08/30/2010 4:07 PM
    I'm not the biggest Aldridge fan on this site, but he's better than Love, easily.
    Kevin Love averaged a double double last year. Lamarcus can't even do that for one month.

    Posted By BDawg on 08/30/2010 4:59 PM

    Also, we should all bear in mind that Dirk isn't all that different than LA.  Same "soft" reputation.  Similar absentism in the paint.  Primarily a jumpshooter...yet, every year, an all-star.  Where is HE ranked?
    yeah Dirk is relied on to carry most of their scoring load and he is a much better 3 shooter, he is better in either scoring or passing out of double teams, and he is relied on for clutch plays. If we relied on Lamarcus for all that we'd be in trouble. But I do think Dirk is a bit overrated.

    Basically if Lamarcus could start rebounding more consistently and start banging towards the hoop relying less on fade aways, he would probably shoot up to elite status no problem.




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  1. BrainLL1
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    Posted 08/30/2010 11:38 PM

    I'd say that he's in the top 5 PF's in the league, but I don't think that he is in the top 2 yet.  In order to get there, he needs to continue to make improvements to his game, and eventually he'll get there.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 08/31/2010 12:19 AM

    i think  the biggest differnce between LMA and most of the people on that list is his ability to run the floor and his ability to guard guards
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  1. Posted 08/31/2010 8:38 AM

    Thats cool it lets you know what percent of the time was played at what position but i was talkin about Amare when i sais he plays at center half the time not L.A! Oden,Pryzbilla and Camby are the centers and i know that!
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/31/2010 8:47 AM

    Posted By BlAzErS_FaN_FoR_LiFe712 on 08/31/2010 8:38 AM
    Thats cool it lets you know what percent of the time was played at what position but i was talkin about Amare when i sais he plays at center half the time not L.A! Oden,Pryzbilla and Camby are the centers and i know that!


    oh ok. I got it. I agree with you about Amare.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/31/2010 3:21 PM

    Posted By TomL on 08/30/2010 11:18 PM
    Posted By ClydeFrog on 08/30/2010 4:07 PM
    I'm not the biggest Aldridge fan on this site, but he's better than Love, easily.
    Kevin Love averaged a double double last year. Lamarcus can't even do that for one month.
    Where is defense factored into the equation then, because my 11 year old niece plays better defense than Kevin Love. Also, is a double-double really that impressive on a 15 win team? Inflated stats on poor teams do not impress.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/31/2010 8:41 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 08/31/2010 3:21 PM
    Posted By TomL on 08/30/2010 11:18 PM
    Posted By ClydeFrog on 08/30/2010 4:07 PM
    I'm not the biggest Aldridge fan on this site, but he's better than Love, easily.
    Kevin Love averaged a double double last year. Lamarcus can't even do that for one month.
    Where is defense factored into the equation then, because my 11 year old niece plays better defense than Kevin Love. Also, is a double-double really that impressive on a 15 win team? Inflated stats on poor teams do not impress.
    D...you took the words right outta my mouth.  Additionally, ask yourself where Love would play if he were a Blazer.  Likely BEHIND LA.  That being the case, he shouldn't be slotted any higher than Aldridge.

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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 09/01/2010 4:21 AM

    L.A. Bashing cool. OK the reason KG and Duncan got in there is because they are still FEARED by most players in the NBA and they tend to step up their game in the playoffs when the chips are down they can produce. Although that being said if they both have the same kind of season next year as they did this one I kinda doubt they make the list.  An elite PF IMO has the ability to take control of a game at any given time and make plays, everyone on that list can do this (well I do not know about Love I have not seen him play,Alaska's not big on Toronto). L.A. has not shown me this, that is why I ranked him 11-15. That being said when he shines he shines easily in the top ten but you cant be spotty and make that top ten list especially if you dont step it up in the playoff's which is probably the only reason he did not make that list.
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  1. t bone
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    Posted 09/01/2010 7:44 AM

    Kevin Love is solid.  Their is no way Amare is that high.  He has a one dimensional game, no defense, his emotions get the better of him which makes for good dunks but it also makes it easy to beat him (especially without Nash keeping him in check).

    The power of  Amare's dunks he should be one of the top enforcers in the league and yet his defense is non-existent.  What a pathetic waste of talent, I am so glad that rumor last season of LA for Amare did not materialize.
  1. gopakrz
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    Posted 09/01/2010 10:08 AM

    L.A. is definitely NOT a top 10 PF in this league.  If he gets some mental and physical toughness he can be, but until then he will always be a postseason liability.  I think it would be great for the Blazers if we could package L.A. and Rudy in a deal for a top tier PF and Miller and Joel for a young top PG.
     Batum in my opinion is untouchable though.  I think he will be a star and we will never get the proper value in a trade with him.  Unless we were offered Kevin Durant for him, and we all know that won't happen.
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    Posted 09/01/2010 2:48 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 08/31/2010 3:21 PM
    Posted By TomL on 08/30/2010 11:18 PM
    Posted By ClydeFrog on 08/30/2010 4:07 PM
    I'm not the biggest Aldridge fan on this site, but he's better than Love, easily.
    Kevin Love averaged a double double last year. Lamarcus can't even do that for one month.
    Where is defense factored into the equation then, because my 11 year old niece plays better defense than Kevin Love. Also, is a double-double really that impressive on a 15 win team? Inflated stats on poor teams do not impress.

    uh yes a double double is just as good on a bad team as a good team, I don't see how that makes it "inflated". If they were a wild and crazy or a fast paced team like the Warriors or the Suns then I would understand your illogical reasoning. Speaking of illogical reasoning, if you are going to compare Kevin Love's lack of defense to someone, it most certainly should not be compared to Lamarcus if you want to make a point. Lamarcus plays pretty atrocious D most of the time. Sometimes he doesn't even try. At least Love tries.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/04/2010 6:24 PM

    Posted By BrainLL1 on 08/30/2010 11:38 PM
    I'd say that he's in the top 5 PF's in the league, but I don't think that he is in the top 2 yet.  In order to get there, he needs to continue to make improvements to his game, and eventually he'll get there.

    Did you by any chance happen to even LOOK at the list........??????

    I LOVE LaMarcus Aldridge! SO MUCH. if i had a dream team it would be him and LeBron. thats it.
    If the list said Top 10 PFs with the most potential, then he would be 1 for sure, no, he'd be -1. This guy sweats talent, okay.
    Ima laugh when he leaves and the lot of you are wishin he hadnt. I mean as long as you have Oden, healthy and playing, it just makes the L-Train look so much better. 
    "Uhh yea i'll have a 7ft center"
    "Oh certainly, we have a special going on, buy one 7ft center, and get a 6'11 PF for free"
    "NO WAY"
    He's got a decent J, that he can stretch out, his wingspan is something ridiculous, like he may be one of the 9 players than can stuff Yao.
    If he can get a little rough and fight for some more boards every game, then his overall team output should be average with the rest of them.
    But i'd say in 2 maybe 3 years, BallDontLie will be posting another list with my man leadin the pack.
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  1. Posted 06/27/2011 3:32 PM

    don't compare him to Disco Dork. L-train has a decent Post offense. He's still young and he's still developing. The only thing I see in his future is becoming the BEST. Pls no Gaywitzki comparison for Christ sake.
  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/27/2011 6:44 PM

    Posted By Chris Interfector on 06/27/2011 3:32 PM
     Pls no Gaywitzki comparison for Christ sake.

    ????
    yah no, your avatar is enough for me too.....
    hahah no jp.
    Dirk is good, but he shouldnt be considered to be any better than he was a year ago.....or two years ago.....or 4 years ago, he has always played at the same level......
    he is good, and if Aldridge can be compared to him, then props, because dirk is a better pf than aldridge, but it doesnt mean its set in stone....
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/27/2011 7:50 PM

    dirks great on offense but hes got no D whens the last time you see dirk block a shot or get a steal
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  1. Posted 06/27/2011 8:38 PM

    I would have to say he is now NUMBER 1!!!!!!!!!
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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 06/27/2011 11:18 PM

    Right now no I still think he has another level to get to because even if he had a breakout season last year I still think the skys the limit for LA but, thats up to LA and with everyone coming back from injury will LA relax and go back to LA of old.
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/28/2011 12:28 AM

    I'd rank him as a top 5.  Unlike most of the better offensive powerforwards, LaMarcus can be relied on for Defense.  He's a far better defender than Pau Gasol, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Dirk Nowitzki, and Amar'e Stoudamire.

    1-5 if you ask me.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 06/28/2011 12:55 AM

    id say hes about the 4th best defender out of that list and the 6th best scorer so ya id say top 5
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  1. Posted 06/28/2011 8:24 AM

    1. Dirk
    2. ZBo
    3. Amare
    4. LaMarcus Aldridge
    5. Blake Griffin

    IMO LMA and Blake have potential to climb in the list and be top 3 PF
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/28/2011 6:07 PM

    i think Amare is the most LETHAL, power forward in the game now because of how large his game is.... it is like Aldridge, like David West, but much more perfected...
    he has speed, major hops, so much power.
    Power is what Aldridge lacks, he is in-between power and finesse, if he do both great, but if he worked on his power i think it would be more beneficial.

    Blake is bomb, but he still has to prove that he can come back and play that hard, aldridge as well. Blake balled as a rook and gets major props for that, but consistency is key....

    Kevin Love, he may of had a good season, but it remains in the shadow of his horrible team and doesnt really prove that he is good. he is on paper, but his team is garbage? i mean if you surround a decent player with horrible ones, he will shine brighter than the rest....

    I think it is safe to say Dirk is easily the best shooting PF.

    Randolph is good and had a great past 3 seasons, but to me he is just what Odom could be if he started, so i dont think he is any better than Lamar and LO is wayyy tooooooo underrated in this game
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  1. Herr
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    Posted 06/28/2011 10:41 PM

    Some guy on NBA.com has him ranked 5.  Problem is, that guy has Blake Griffin Ranked 2.
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  1. Posted 07/08/2011 6:43 PM

    Hes top 10 for sure. Mayybe top 5. But whats interesting is the main downfall of LA is defense and rebounds. Well half the top 10 guys dont play as good D as LA, so thats got to count for something, as for rebounds, yes Id like to see Aldridge grab 10 a night. As for offense, hes very good when he wants to be. Inside/outside game. He just needs to polish what he has, specialy on going left to the rim, and maybe add 1-2 more moves and drive to the rim more. Do that, and hes gonna be top 3.

    I can respect Duncan and KG, for the pure fact that they are still quite talented and they have payed thier due, but thier getting old and its time to make room for some young blood. Im not huge fan of Mr. Bosh, hes pretty much a spot up 12-15 ft shooter in that Miami offense, unless NO ONE is playing D, then he can get to the hole. Im not huge on Carlos Boozer either, solid pf..but hes not ahead of LA. Hes been a good scorer for Utah, and hes done alright in Chicago, but nothing really hits you thats exciting when you think of him, hes just good player, thats about it. After next season Your going to see Blake Griffin and LA in that list, Im very confident on that.
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  1. EthanMoney
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    Posted 07/09/2011 12:14 PM

    Whoever said not top 20...lolol...ever seen a basketball game?
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 07/10/2011 6:21 AM

    Ah geez, here we go again...



    Kevin Love is not better at basketball then Lamarcus Aldridge. When your team is down by 30, and your opponent puts in the scrubs, you might find it easier as a starter to get boards and baskets in a blowout loss.



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  1. TayC
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    Posted 07/11/2011 6:42 PM

    Toby, when you say that. do you yourself put Love and Aldridge as equals?

    Or is Aldridge the better player? Love is like a totem pole under the basket, he can just stand there and grab boards all day. and he can hit a full court shot and perhaps a 3 at the buzzer when he has 30 boards.....
    but even at an offensive level....are they equal?

    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
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