Where Does Andre Rank Among The League's Best Point Guards?
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/18/2010 12:38 PM

    Where Does Andre Rank Among The League's Best Point Guards?
    1-5 (5)
     8%
    6-10 (23)
     37%
    11-15 (27)
     44%
    15-20 (7)
     11%
    21-25 (0)
     0%



    Sparking my mind for this discussion was an article written by the Ball Don't Lie crew over on the Y! Sports network ranking the league's top PG's from 11-20.
    Andre came in at #14 and they had this to say about the matter-
     14. Andre Miller(notes), Portland Trail Blazers (last year: 13th)

    You kind of hate ranking a guy who dropped 52 in a game last season around the middle of the pack at his position, but if you watched that game, you'd know ... yeah, it was Dallas. Perhaps I've underrated Dre, worried about the drop-off that is bound to come at some point. Perhaps I'm wondering if he'll float through this season, like he did (in a contract year, no less) in 2008-09. Perhaps he could also be the guy who puts Greg Oden(notes) on the All-Star team in 2011. Everyone root for the third "perhaps." Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.

    CONTINUE READING>>> (for the rest of the list)

    Is 14 fair enough? Are they like the rest of the media who underrates Dre or are they being polite ranking him in the middle of the pack?
    Where does he rank in your mind?

    Personally, for me, I first need to list out all of the players ahead of him who I believe are more talented, not necessarily how they would fit on any certain team but overall talent.

    Off the top of my head, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo automatically come to mind as being the NBA's elite. Other guards in the Top 10 I can think of are Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, Aaron Brooks, and Tony Parker. Here's where it gets dicey. Does Andre make it on the edge of the top 10 or is he Top 15 like the blog stated?  The guys I'd put him in the same class with are Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson, Russell Westbrook, and Stephen Curry.

    I've got a pretty big man-crush on Curry, so I'd put him #9 and have Andre round out my Top 10. Harris took a step backwards this past season I felt and Nelson doesn't possess the intangibles which Dre does. In the future Westbrook will be up there, but until he learns how to deal with Andre's post-game, I'll continue to take Dre for the time being. So there's where I feel Andre is at in terms of the NBA's best Point Guards, #10. Have at it...what's your take?
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  1. ***Jason***
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    Posted 08/18/2010 12:47 PM

    I know you don't like Kidd much, but even at his age, last year he was 5th in APG, 3rd in RPG, 4th in double-doubles, 1st in triple-doubles (2), and scored 10.3 PPG. He's another one that's better than Andre.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 08/18/2010 1:26 PM

    I'm not concerned with Dre's rank by the media. He is not going to be the long term solution any way you slice it.
    He could be the one who gets Oden to be a low post scoring threat, and has a lot to teach younger pgs. Once again, musical chairs and changing pgs every off season will not win rings.

    Imo, the Blazer pg situation is going to work itself out as long as management lets Nate make the decisions at pg.  Nate reminds me a lot of Mr Mean, ( GP's dad ) back in the day in Oakland. He helped produce 2 hall of fame pg's, that the league has seen nothing comparable to in Kidd and GP.

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    Posted 08/18/2010 3:02 PM

    I didn't read the yahoo article but is there a reason why Ty Lawson is in every single picture?
  1. Correy
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    Posted 08/18/2010 3:34 PM

    I'd put Andre 17th or 18th even in the short term I would rather have Jennings, Wall and Collison
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/18/2010 4:06 PM

    So for just the 2011 season you would rather have Collison, Jennings, and the rookie Wall over Miller? For the future, I would agree, but this is his rank for this year only and I'd roll with Dre for 2011. None of those above point guards has shown the ability on a consistent basis to feed the low-post, score in the low post, and lead their teams.
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  1. FamousRoy
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    Posted 08/18/2010 4:36 PM

    I'd say Andre was the eighth best last season.  He was just what Portland needed.  I like the point you made about the intangibles Andre possesses, and which other point guards (usually younger ones) do not.  He has great court vision and a high basketball IQ.  In the last decade, he has the third most assists, trailing only Kidd and Nash.  That's saying something.  Unfortunately, with his age, there's no knowing where he'll rank in this season.  Hopefully he'll remain at least in the top 15.  He will as long as he can keep getting to the basket at will.  His "jumper" can never be counted on.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/18/2010 5:28 PM

    Miller is definitely not a top 10 best pg in the league guy, and frankly he was never of that caliber.
    So for him to be put in the top 10 this season, is aronious, completely off the map.
    Just with all the names flying off the top of my head, he constantly drops. Now some of you guys are saying, he is or was just what the team needed, but thats not why your ranking him, nor because he is on your favorite team,
    Honestly with those two points in mind i dont see how anyone can put Miller in the top 10.
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    Posted 08/18/2010 6:04 PM

    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 5:28 PM
    Miller is definitely not a top 10 best pg in the league guy, and frankly he was never of that caliber.
    So for him to be put in the top 10 this season, is aronious, completely off the map.
    Just with all the names flying off the top of my head, he constantly drops. Now some of you guys are saying, he is or was just what the team needed, but thats not why your ranking him, nor because he is on your favorite team,
    Honestly with those two points in mind i dont see how anyone can put Miller in the top 10.
    Andre definitely was in the top 10 when he led the league in assists! I think you are "aroniosly" erroneous there.

    I would put Andre somewhere between 11th and 13th. What's funny if he had a consistent 3 pointer in his arsenal, everyone would easily rank him in the top 10 now and always in the top 5 in the league for most of his career, just because people associate the 3 ball to being a great player.
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  1. Blazers4Life247
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    Posted 08/18/2010 6:41 PM

    yes but the fact that he has no kind of jumpshot at all makes him a severe liabilty. i put him in the 15-20 range because i'm being honest not voting him higher just because he is on my team, u guys that love to support him to the fullest acting like he is the best thing that ever happen to portland seem to have to forgot that the only reason we even signed the guy is because he was our last and only option left, and he only took the offer because we were the only team asking about his services, do not forget this...  oh and whoever put him in the 1-5 range please get off the drugs.
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  1. Lenwen76
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    Posted 08/18/2010 7:28 PM

    Miller is at best an average PG .. at this stage of his career..
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/18/2010 8:01 PM

    Posted By TomL on 08/18/2010 6:04 PM
    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 5:28 PM
    Miller is definitely not a top 10 best pg in the league guy, and frankly he was never of that caliber.
    So for him to be put in the top 10 this season, is aronious, completely off the map.
    Just with all the names flying off the top of my head, he constantly drops. Now some of you guys are saying, he is or was just what the team needed, but thats not why your ranking him, nor because he is on your favorite team,
    Honestly with those two points in mind i dont see how anyone can put Miller in the top 10.
    Andre definitely was in the top 10 when he led the league in assists! I think you are "aroniosly" erroneous there.

    I would put Andre somewhere between 11th and 13th. What's funny if he had a consistent 3 pointer in his arsenal, everyone would easily rank him in the top 10 now and always in the top 5 in the league for most of his career, just because people associate the 3 ball to being a great player.

    haha, my bad, i typed it in google and it came up Aronious.

    Idk about that, you still got Jason Kid, Steve Nash, Gary Peyton if you want to go back then.
     And its not that "if he had a 3 pointer he'd be in the top 10", if he could shoot, he'd be in the top 10 MAYBE.
    You see its like Rondo, Rondo, cannot shoot the ball, i dont care what anyone tries to tell me i have seen it enough times for myself, where  he cant hit a uncovered 13 footer, but you see like Miller, he is  a scorer, attack s the rim. But he lacks in the steal department, and he can only get higher in the age department.
    Theyre are alot of great, all star type gaurds out there, and Andre isnt one of them.



    No really, he's never been an allstar
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  1. Blazers4Life247
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    Posted 08/19/2010 7:58 AM

    i said it before.say it again, andre is a poor mans rondo.... a really poor homeless mans rondo. difference is rondo is a defensive beast where andre doesn't play d, rondo is still young and has a chance to grow and as bad as rondo's shot is its 10 times better than andre's and that is sad seeing how andre has been in the league like 10 or more years than rondo.. oh and not to mention andre is about as slow as a mule
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/19/2010 10:17 AM

    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 8:01 PM
    Posted By TomL on 08/18/2010 6:04 PM
    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 5:28 PM
    Miller is definitely not a top 10 best pg in the league guy, and frankly he was never of that caliber.
    So for him to be put in the top 10 this season, is aronious, completely off the map.
    Just with all the names flying off the top of my head, he constantly drops. Now some of you guys are saying, he is or was just what the team needed, but thats not why your ranking him, nor because he is on your favorite team,
    Honestly with those two points in mind i dont see how anyone can put Miller in the top 10.
    Andre definitely was in the top 10 when he led the league in assists! I think you are "aroniosly" erroneous there.

    I would put Andre somewhere between 11th and 13th. What's funny if he had a consistent 3 pointer in his arsenal, everyone would easily rank him in the top 10 now and always in the top 5 in the league for most of his career, just because people associate the 3 ball to being a great player.

    haha, my bad, i typed it in google and it came up Aronious.

    Idk about that, you still got Jason Kid, Steve Nash, Gary Peyton if you want to go back then.
     And its not that "if he had a 3 pointer he'd be in the top 10", if he could shoot, he'd be in the top 10 MAYBE.
    You see its like Rondo, Rondo, cannot shoot the ball, i dont care what anyone tries to tell me i have seen it enough times for myself, where  he cant hit a uncovered 13 footer, but you see like Miller, he is  a scorer, attack s the rim. But he lacks in the steal department, and he can only get higher in the age department.
    Theyre are alot of great, all star type gaurds out there, and Andre isnt one of them.



    No really, he's never been an allstar
    Jamaal Magloire, Wally Szczerbiak, & Dale Davis were all All-Stars, does that make them better ball players than Andre? Shoot, Deron Williams just NOW made his first All-Star game and he's widely considered a top 10 player overall in the NBA. All-Stars mean nothing.
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 08/19/2010 10:33 AM

    Westbrook is already better then Miller.  16 and 8 are good numbers.  He's mid-pack, I think it's a good ranking.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/19/2010 11:14 AM

    One thing is for certain, someone is always going to be better than Miller. He's not the best shooter,he's not the strongest,tallest, fastest,or even smartest pg. This guy makes the top ten on his durability alone. Can, no scratch that, would anyone like to guess where we would have been without Miller last year? I'll tell you. Home during the playoffs.Armon deserves an opportunity to learn from a soldier like Miller.
    As i am not all that well versed on the trade cans and can'ts, i have a question. Is there any scenario that we could muster to acquire Brandon Bass? Perhaps Rudy,Mills,Pendergraph & Babbitt?
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  1. Blazers4Life247
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    Posted 08/19/2010 11:59 AM

    doubt it. bass might be a lock to start... doubt they wanna trade him
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  1. cransford24
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    Posted 08/20/2010 11:53 AM

    Posted By commontongue on 08/19/2010 11:14 AM
    One thing is for certain, someone is always going to be better than Miller. He's not the best shooter,he's not the strongest,tallest, fastest,or even smartest pg. This guy makes the top ten on his durability alone. Can, no scratch that, would anyone like to guess where we would have been without Miller last year? I'll tell you. Home during the playoffs.Armon deserves an opportunity to learn from a soldier like Miller.
    As i am not all that well versed on the trade cans and can'ts, i have a question. Is there any scenario that we could muster to acquire Brandon Bass? Perhaps Rudy,Mills,Pendergraph & Babbitt?

    its possible.  The Magic reportedly did have some interest in rudy and they have Ryan anderson so its not really necesary that they have bass on the team, esspecially when they would be aquiring a young, up and coming power forward in return in Jeff Pendergraph.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/20/2010 5:36 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 08/19/2010 10:17 AM
    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 8:01 PM
    Posted By TomL on 08/18/2010 6:04 PM
    Posted By TayC on 08/18/2010 5:28 PM
    Miller is definitely not a top 10 best pg in the league guy, and frankly he was never of that caliber.
    So for him to be put in the top 10 this season, is aronious, completely off the map.
    Just with all the names flying off the top of my head, he constantly drops. Now some of you guys are saying, he is or was just what the team needed, but thats not why your ranking him, nor because he is on your favorite team,
    Honestly with those two points in mind i dont see how anyone can put Miller in the top 10.
    Andre definitely was in the top 10 when he led the league in assists! I think you are "aroniosly" erroneous there.

    I would put Andre somewhere between 11th and 13th. What's funny if he had a consistent 3 pointer in his arsenal, everyone would easily rank him in the top 10 now and always in the top 5 in the league for most of his career, just because people associate the 3 ball to being a great player.

    haha, my bad, i typed it in google and it came up Aronious.

    Idk about that, you still got Jason Kid, Steve Nash, Gary Peyton if you want to go back then.
     And its not that "if he had a 3 pointer he'd be in the top 10", if he could shoot, he'd be in the top 10 MAYBE.
    You see its like Rondo, Rondo, cannot shoot the ball, i dont care what anyone tries to tell me i have seen it enough times for myself, where  he cant hit a uncovered 13 footer, but you see like Miller, he is  a scorer, attack s the rim. But he lacks in the steal department, and he can only get higher in the age department.
    Theyre are alot of great, all star type gaurds out there, and Andre isnt one of them.



    No really, he's never been an allstar
    Jamaal Magloire, Wally Szczerbiak, & Dale Davis were all All-Stars, does that make them better ball players than Andre? Shoot, Deron Williams just NOW made his first All-Star game and he's widely considered a top 10 player overall in the NBA. All-Stars mean nothing.

    Idk about that, meaning nothing and all, it definitely says alot about their game, seeing as how the coaches and players vote them on, and i'd like to think they know more about basketball then a bunch of cats talking about it  on the computer. I did not know that Deron just became an all star, but honestly that validates my point trying to be made, of how many elite PG's there are right now, and how andre's just not one of them.
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    Posted 08/20/2010 8:52 PM

    I think it definitely means something to be an All Star, but every year there are one or more players who probably shouldn't be there but they were on a winning team or they whine and complain (Mo Williams) or they are popular with the fans in China and somehow they end up there. And every year someone that should be on it doesn't make it.

    TayC even with Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, etc, Andre was in the top 10.
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    Posted 08/22/2010 6:38 PM

    Posted By TomL on 08/20/2010 8:52 PM
    I think it definitely means something to be an All Star, but every year there are one or more players who probably shouldn't be there but they were on a winning team or they whine and complain (Mo Williams) or they are popular with the fans in China and somehow they end up there. And every year someone that should be on it doesn't make it.

    TayC even with Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, etc, Andre was in the top 10.

    The players and coaches pick the rosters...... So china and the sad people can all complain or drink champagne it doesnt matter.
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    Posted 08/23/2010 1:19 PM

    Posted By TayC on 08/22/2010 6:38 PM
    The players and coaches pick the rosters...... So china and the sad people can all complain or drink champagne it doesnt matter.

    Maybe you do work in the Hall of Fame, but you have no clue about basketball or you are quoting from another movie I haven't seen. The fans vote in the starters! Coaches vote in the bench! Players don't pick anything!
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  1. t bone
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    Posted 08/24/2010 9:56 PM

    Your observation about the 3ball is true but that is a critical skill for a PG.  It is a nice skill from every player but the PG is the one running the offense with the shot clock running.  If the shot clock gets to single digits, a PG needs to at least be respected as a shooter to be effective.  Look at it from the other side.  Is Bayless a top 5 PG?  He has the speed, the size, he can shoot the long ball, he can penetrate, get to the foul line, make free throws, and has solid ball handling skills.  The reason we don't see him as a true PG is he lacks the floor vision and distribution skills that a solid PG like Andre has.

    If Andre can teach Jared how to do what Andre does well we have a top 5 PG, but neither is there at this point in their careers.
  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 08/31/2010 10:11 AM

    Andre continues to get slept on, just baffles me. We missed over 300 games due to injury, yet Dre was there for all 82. Somehow we only lost 4 fewer games this year than last year and still managed to reach 50 in one of the most difficult Western Conferences in recent memory. Think of how much better he would have been able to run the show had the core group of players been consistent and not jumbled around due to injury every other game. Oden was just starting to reap the rewards of playing with Dre and his game was only going to be taken to higher levels with continued time on the court together with Miller. Can he shoot the 3? Not really, but frankly, I'd like to see more free throw attempts and less 3 point attempts next year. Games are won and lost at the foul line and in the paint, something Dre excels at. So he's not the perfect fit next to Roy, well then let's see if Roy's able to adapt a little bit more and play off the ball more successfully. I still firmly believe their backcourt marriage can and will succeed.
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 09/04/2010 6:26 PM

    Posted By TomL on 08/23/2010 1:19 PM
    Posted By TayC on 08/22/2010 6:38 PM
    The players and coaches pick the rosters...... So china and the sad people can all complain or drink champagne it doesnt matter.

    Maybe you do work in the Hall of Fame, but you have no clue about basketball or you are quoting from another movie I haven't seen. The fans vote in the starters! Coaches vote in the bench! Players don't pick anything!

    wait.........
    wait a minute.......
    Are you serious?
    Are you really serious tom?


















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    Posted 09/04/2010 8:09 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 08/31/2010 10:11 AM
    Andre continues to get slept on, just baffles me. We missed over 300 games due to injury, yet Dre was there for all 82. Somehow we only lost 4 fewer games this year than last year and still managed to reach 50 in one of the most difficult Western Conferences in recent memory. Think of how much better he would have been able to run the show had the core group of players been consistent and not jumbled around due to injury every other game. Oden was just starting to reap the rewards of playing with Dre and his game was only going to be taken to higher levels with continued time on the court together with Miller. Can he shoot the 3? Not really, but frankly, I'd like to see more free throw attempts and less 3 point attempts next year. Games are won and lost at the foul line and in the paint, something Dre excels at. So he's not the perfect fit next to Roy, well then let's see if Roy's able to adapt a little bit more and play off the ball more successfully. I still firmly believe their backcourt marriage can and will succeed.

    That's what I've been saying, you just put it much more eloquently than me! ha. And if Brandon starts playing off the ball better, that would be real big for us.
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  1. mario250775
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    Posted 09/05/2010 12:46 PM

    I rank him individual on 11-15, but basketball is team play so the main think is what He gives to the team and that rank him in top 10 with his experience, smartness and also making his crazy shots over big guys like on the main photo over KG.  
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 09/07/2010 2:47 PM

    Welcome back Mari!
    I think we'll see an even more improved Dre now that he doesn't have Blake looking over his shoulder for the point guard duties.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 09/07/2010 6:11 PM

    I'm not at all concerned about Dre.  He isnt the long term solution, but he will hold it down until we know who is.
    Imo, Blake was not Dre's problem, there will always be a backup pg. 

    I'm still waiting to see EW and AJ play, the pg position is getting bigger around the league.  I saw Tyreke Evans in Sac this weekend, he is a good size  pg, but there is no way he is as big as the Kings roster lists him.

    Hawes, can I please get AJ and EW measurements from the rookie day ??  Thanks !! :)
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