Batum Watch - Season 6
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/04/2013 12:09 PM

     

    His clutch play is great, however if he plays consistent, we do not need him in the clutch as the game is not even close.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/04/2013 5:48 PM

    Clutch really Batum's shooting percentage in a game with 5 points and less than 5 minutes left was a robust 38.3%.

    He did out rebound, LA and Hickson during this same period 1.1 to .9 each. His assists were also pretty good at .5. 

    Wesley was not much higher at 41.3%; however, his 3pt% was a great 44.1%.

    LA was 44.3% he also only shot 60% on clutch time free throws. 

    Hickson was 42.3%

    Lillard was 41.7%


    The biggest issue was defense though as everyone on the team had over a 106 defensive rating, with LA being the best at 106.2 good for 56 highest in the NBA (lower the rating the better here). JJ was next at 107.7 then Batum at 109.0 Lillard at 110.2 and Matthews surprisingly coming in worst at a terrible 113.1. 


    All data was compared with people with at least 25 games played in clutch situations. 


    If we can improve our defense, I fully expect the team to start winning more close games.


    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 09/04/2013 8:21 PM

    The Heat game and The Cavs game Batum was a monster in the clutch lolololol


    If Batum played like he did in the Heat win every game he would be a BEAST! The look he had in his eyes and the effort he gave on defense was amazing to see. Wes was a beast that game too haha. NIc only scored 3 3s but ended with 28 points. I need to see more of that this season.. 

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 09/04/2013 9:03 PM

    If theres one thing that i tire of, it's " IF ". IF my aunt had different anatomy, she'd be my uncle. If "IF" was a fifth, we'd all be drunk. It's time for " Did " to start punching " IF ' in the  " if-fing " mouth.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/05/2013 12:11 AM

    Well Batum did have a couple nice games. The Blazers did play terrible team defense last year. Let's hope the team did improve.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 09/05/2013 1:16 AM

    When the team puts it all together on defense we will be a contender for the West. For now, I would actually be happy if we could keep teams from scoring 100 pts a night against us. At home we can afford to pummel teams with offense and the great home crowd will ensure our effort on the other end is much better. Its on the road that I think our great improvement will be seen. With Mo and Wright in the locker room to help our younger guys and with a healthy Wes and Batum we can really call ourselves a playoff team. 6th seed is on the cards. Second round is on the cards and if anything, we will have LA making the All NBA 2nd team. I think Durant and James will still take 1st team honours unfortunately. But this team is good. This team has more than just talent, it has character and a drive to succeed. We could have taken a year off to tank and win the race for Wiggins but that's not something that Rip City does. We want to win and I think that Nic wants to win just as bad as anyone else. The team will be better!!! The team will win games!!! And anyone who doubted them will be eating humble pie come the middle of April 2014!!!!
    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 09/05/2013 5:30 AM


    Posted By commontongue on 09/04/2013 9:03 PM
    If theres one thing that i tire of, it's " IF ". IF my aunt had different anatomy, she'd be my uncle. If "IF" was a fifth, we'd all be drunk. It's time for " Did " to start punching " IF ' in the " if-fing " mouth.


    CT...I'm STILL picking myself up off the floor and am now in need of an addy to forward you the bill post ruptured hernia repair.

    I believe it important to note the unprecedented lack of depth this team battled last year when speaking of the defense played. Throw out all the numbers. Starters...particularly Wes, played through injury the bulk of the season, Batum the wrist in the latter half. Without a 5, Hickson...a natural 4 moved to the pivot without a complaint. Given the totality of circumstances this core overcame last season, we as fans should be thankful no one ended the season in a suit on the sideline. Defense will be among the most obvious improvements this season over last. Olshey has added a rim protector and depth. No worries.
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  1. Brandon Weinant
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    Posted 09/06/2013 3:20 PM

    "oh and just to say it again. Batum is an average sf in the NBA right now. He has the potential to be in the top 3. But highly doubt him ever getting there.  Heck at this point I'd settle for the top 10. "

    Based on what?  (Don't say the eye test!!!)

     

     

    "Cause watching the #4/5 scoring option on the spurs play in the playoffs better than Batum has ever.. was just mindblowing."

    Kawhi has never had a tripple double, and never a double double in assists/pts.  Batum had 2 tripple doubles last season in the span of a week, and a 10 reb/9ast/12pt game the next week.  The anti-Batum rhetoric is quite lazy and too lame to be comical.

    seems like you care more about fantasy stats with this reply than anything else. i can throw those up as well. but i dont really feel the need to as anyone can go look up the stats of every player in the nba and compare. the interwebz is a special place. wont do the work for you if STATS is really what you care for.

    as far as the rest of your post? dont really believe my post to be anti-batum rhetoric. but you can choose to take it as you should.

    i find it too lazy to be comical that batum continually gets a pass for his inconsistent play. but i feel like i'm repeating myself again. yeesh blazer forums.

     

    mike and mike. worse announcers in the NBA.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/06/2013 9:37 PM

    seems like you care more about fantasy stats with this reply than anything else. i can throw those up as well. but i dont really feel the need to as anyone can go look up the stats of every player in the nba and compare. the interwebz is a special place. wont do the work for you if STATS is really what you care for.

    as far as the rest of your post? dont really believe my post to be anti-batum rhetoric. but you can choose to take it as you should.

    i find it too lazy to be comical that batum continually gets a pass for his inconsistent play. but i feel like i'm repeating myself again. yeesh blazer forums.

     

    mike and mike. worse announcers in the NBA.


    If you bother to read even half of what I've written the entire thread, you would see that you are taking my response out of context, and creating a false argument.  The point I was making was based on sample size.  I can use a small sample size to try and prove just about anything, just as the invidivual did regarding K. Leonard's performance in the NBA finals.  Basing Batum's value on 2 tripple doubles is hardly any different than basing K. Leonard's value on a few play-off games.

     

    Saying Batum is an average SF at best, is a dumb statement.  As dumb as saying that Batum has not lacked consistancy.  Dumber still, creating a straw man argument that if anyone says that to trade Batum would be a bad move for the Blazers, that they are saying Batum is without faults.  And simply inexcusably dumb, saying Batum doesn't have balls.  Clearly, Batum has balls, is an above average SF, has lacked consistancy, and would leave a significant hole in Portlands play-off aspirations that few other SFs could fill.

     

    I don't give Batum a pass for his deficiencies or poor play.  He is one of the best SF in the NBA.  And making near weekly threads that slight Batum are indicative of a 1st class troll, not a Blazer fan.

  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 09/06/2013 10:29 PM

    Ok, I have to ask this question: Why is Batum the one who consistently gets criticized? Batum is not the only one that is inconsistent and yet it seems as though he is the only one being criticized. I'm all for evaluating our teams abilities and performance but lets not focus on just one player. I for one am very disappointed in Wesley Matthews and his inconsistencies, yet he gets a pass because everyone thinks he plays with "heart?" It's hypocritical. Everyone can call these excuses but there are many reasons for him not reaching his peak by now. Lets not forget that we are only a few years off of the B-Roy years and its when B-Roy and Nate left that players started to actually develop. In my mind it's a bit difficult to progress when all youre expected to do is sit in the corner and wait for Brandon to pass out to you. Just saying. But then again, I'm just making excuses for the Frenchie. 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/06/2013 11:50 PM

    Simple solutions to complex problems.  It's easy to point out, if not invent out of thin air, individual faults.  It's easy to draw false conclussions that removing 1 fault (be it Batum, or LA, or Allen) would put the Blazer on the championship track.  But it's also incredibly lazy, if not delusional.  I choose to believe that it's mostly laziness, but when repeated ad nausium without any consideration of anyone who offers greater analysis, is more commonly idetifiable as trolling.

     

    The bottom line, Batum is a scape goat for some.  Not surprising, the number of posters religiously critical of Batum were never short of support for Hickson or Matthews.  Hickson's gone because he was the weakest link in the starting line-up, more so given the role he was asked to fill.  So, although all Blazer fans appriciated Hickson's hustle, some refused to acknowledge his screaming inadiquacies as a starting center.  Unfortunately, the distain for Hickson being allowed to walk has manifested itself in the form of a constant barrage of intellectually lazy Batum/LA/Allen slights.  Toss in the pseudo-free-agency drama with the Twolves and Batum becomes the easiest target for raging fans and trolls alike.

     

    And let's not kid ourselves, when Batum plays great, the Blazers are hard to beat even with no bench.  Batum does everything when he's playing his best ball.  It's easy to put all the blame on him when he has a bad game and the Blazers lose, just as it is to do so for any star player.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/10/2013 12:33 PM

     

    Figure it out - Batum is the Target because he is the second highest paid player on the Team and he needs to contribute as such and contribute consistently.

     

    Answer your own question; How often in the last two years has Batum played his best ball?

     

    Yes Hickson is gone because is interior D sucked and also he was only paid $4m a year not $11m.  And lets not forget Hickson was a starting center out of necessity of what the team needed.  He is a Power Forward, and thankfully he did whatever the team asked him to do albeit one facet of his game, interior D was not there, but he still had a good number of Double Doubles.

     

    I appreciate Wes so much because he brings his heart and soul to every game and is the real leader on our team. He plays thru injuries and does not make excuses for poor performance.  He is constantly trying to improve his game, remember until his past summer he played D League to improve.

     

    If Batum had the same intangibles as Wes we would not be having this conversation.  I am not the only one on this board who is tired of waiting for Batum to play to his potential and earn his contract!  With LMA we know he is going to come out every night and bring it!  Do we know that about Batum?  We don't have a lot of evidence to support that.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/10/2013 2:55 PM

    If you can question Batum's heart and soul post after nausiating post, and ignore any information counter to your anti-Batum/LA/Allen rhetoric, then you should have no issue with Blazer fans questioning your Blazer fandom. ; )

     

    The evidence that disproves your incessant slights of Batum is rather large, and you ignore it no matter who posts it or how concretely credible it is, as trolls do.  This convenient threashold of players with salary over $10 mil, by which you rant and bash any Blazer who makes more than that is rather absurd.  Your understanding of the CBA, and salary is less than foundational, and rather than take the time to understand it (even when I personally have taken the time to explain it to you at length) you spend your time complaining about players and crying wolf.

     

    You got all upset and argued about Hickson when the writing was on the wall that he was likely a 1 year bandaid even before the 2012-13 season started, and no matter how terrible his defense was throughout the year or his propensity to turn the ball over (which was often chalked up to the player passing it to him - i.e. Batum), you continued to project his screaming inadiquacies onto other players.  If you want you give some players an abstract pass for poor play while reaming others, then expect Blazer fans to call you out for your double standard and/or lack of support. 

     

    "With LMA we know he is going to come out every night and bring it!"   Really?  What changed?  Last I checked you wanted him gone.  You're allowed to change you mind, but don't act like your anti-blazer rhetoric stops with Batum.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/10/2013 3:00 PM

     

    Call me out if you want.  This is an opinion board where opinions should be respected not belittled.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/10/2013 3:45 PM

    The reason Batum is a Blazer and Hickson is not can be summarize in 1 game from last season:

    1st quarter

    8:15 J.J. Hickson makes two point shot (Nicolas Batum assists)

    2:56 J.J. Hickson makes dunk (Damian Lillard assists)

    2:00  J.J. Hickson traveling

    0:48 J.J. Hickson makes layup (Damian Lillard assists)

    2nd quarter

    11:40 J.J. Hickson misses layup

    9:37  J.J. Hickson traveling

    9:03  J.J. Hickson makes dunk (Ronnie Price assists)

    6:52  J.J. Hickson makes dunk (Nicolas Batum assists)

    2:13  J.J. Hickson blocks Nenê 's 1-foot layup

    3rd quarter

    8:34 J.J. Hickson makes layup (Nicolas Batum assists)

    5:39 J.J. Hickson misses layup

    4th quarter

    7:01 J.J. Hickson makes two point shot (Nicolas Batum assists)

    5:37 J.J. Hickson traveling

    1:23 J.J. Hickson lost ball turnover (Nenê steals)

    Wizzards 98  Blazers 95

    Batum:  12 pts (5-10 shooting) 10 reb 11 ast 3 stl 2 blk 2 turnovers

    Hickson: 16 pts (all shots were assisted) 6 reb 1 ast 1 blk 4 turnovers

    LA: 17 pts 12 reb

    Okafor: 13 pts 13 reb

    Nene: 24 pts 9 reb 4 stl

    I wonder if Batum detractors have the capacity to analyze more than dunks and grunts.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/10/2013 3:47 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 09/10/2013 3:00 PM

     

    Call me out if you want.  This is an opinion board where opinions should be respected not belittled.



    I don't respect your opinion.  You ignore facts.  Such is your prerogative... troll away.
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 09/10/2013 3:54 PM

    Wooh cold blooded

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/10/2013 4:18 PM

    Really that was the game that summarizes why Hickson is gone and Batum is not. 


    That is a pretty flawed argument.

    Number one Hickson was playing Center, which means all his shots should be assisted, with the exception of offensive rebounds. 

    He shot 7-10 with a plus minus of +1

    Since Nene and Okafor shared the court a lot it is unfair to blame Hickson for them combining for 37 pts 22 reb. 

    You also fail to mention Martell Websters game high 24 points (Batum's man)


    Yes Hickson was limited to lay ups and dunks and sucked on defense but he also played hard, played out of position and had a good attitude the whole year. You want to call Batum the better player go for it but it sounds like you just want to chastise him for liking Hickson and not liking Batum. 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/10/2013 4:19 PM

     

    "Batum needs to grow a pair" - Maniac/cmeese

    If you consider that cmeese and maniac have been stomping on them for years, that makes sense.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/10/2013 8:13 PM

     

     

    Cmeese47 you just stated it correctly, Hickson & Wes played every game with good Attitudes.  With Batum, you do not know which Batum will show up.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 09/10/2013 10:50 PM

    I am so tired of this "Wes and Hickson have the heart of a lion!" crap. You know who else had a heart and desire to win? Jeff Pendegraph. He was a beast but that doesn't mean he is any better or gave the team much more then a pep talk and some sweet dance moves. You keep coming up with the fact that Batum is paid more then Wes or anyone for that matter but lets also not forget that people have been expecting him to be an all star well before that big contract. So is it just because his expectations are higher? 

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  1. Simpson
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    Posted 09/10/2013 11:37 PM

    Quite the side note here:  I miss Pendegraph & Dante Cunningham (there r only a few others too ;)  THESE two guys ARE STILL Blazers to me :)
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/11/2013 9:39 AM

    maniac I do not believe that to be the case. Maybe at the beginning of last year, but for the most part Batum turned a corner. Sure he had lots of up and down games in terms of production but unlike years past his effort did not wane because his shot was not falling. He was also vastly improved in crunch time, before last year he would completely disappear in 4th quarters. Last year he lead the team in rebounds and assists in the last 5 minutes of a game within 5 points. He also took more fg's and got to the line more. 


    Batum is a jump shooter so inconsistency is going to be par for the course on that front. However, provided he rebounds, gets assists and plays aggressive defense it won't matter.


    The thing with Batum is this right now he is overpaid based on his production; however, if he becomes an all-star this year he immediately becomes underpaid. That is the risk, but consider if he does not pan out then at most the team overpaid him was 3 million a season, that number is not significant enough to prevent the Blazers from being able to make moves. 

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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 09/11/2013 1:02 PM

    Amare Stoudamire, Deandre Jordan, Rudy Gay, Rodney Stuckey and Ben Gordan are all overpaid non All stars! Batum doesn't fit into their bracket. He entered the first year of his big contract on a team where he had no real back up, a new coach, new GM and an injury riddle supporting cast. 


    Yet he improved his overall game and but for the fact that the west coaches chose to give all star nods to David Lee and Tim Duncan as front court backups, he would have been an all star along with LA. He certainly earned it with his play up until February. Players like Batum are not a dime a dozen. He can do it all and is only 24 years old. No college ball to speak of and no family life in the USA before he was drafted. So this whole "Batum is over rated and overpaid" nonsense can really stop. He has genuine room for improvement and definitely needs to step up in the 4th quarter of close games more consistently. But that will come now that he has a genuine structure around him which will help him in every aspect of his game. 


    Batum is going to be a great Blazer. Wes may be our best defender, but Nic is the key to our perimeter defense. He just needs to put it all together. And now with good vets like Mo and Wright around him with some continuity and faith in him from the coach this season will be an all star calibre season from Nic. 



    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/11/2013 2:45 PM

     

    Time will tell.  Sixth season has to be the season he shows up!

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 09/11/2013 5:48 PM

    Id love to see either Wes or Batum come off the bench. They'd be sixth man candidates for sure.

     

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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 09/12/2013 12:00 AM

    Nic was actually very good coming off the bench 2 seasons ago. Really gave us an x factor because of his ability to shoot the ball. But now on a team with so many shooting options I think that effect would be lessened considerably. Wes on the other hand I feel is a guy who must start. His energy and effort is second to none and I like that. He should get more rest now before the 4th quarter so his energy will always be great and he will be able to have a greater impact on the game when is on the floor. Don't think either should go back to being guys that come off the bench. 

    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/12/2013 8:56 AM

     

    Glad we now have a legit backup for Wes!

    I have put a summary together of Batum's EuroBasket Tournament Stats in Slovenia.

    You be the Judge!

    Game 1

     9 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 turnover, 4-for-11 shooting, 1-for-7 three-point shooting, -14 in 25 minutes – Grade C-(Would have been a B except for his three point shooting)

    Game 2

     17 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 turnovers, 1 steal, 1 block, 7-for-10 shooting, 2-for-5 three-point shooting, +21 in 23 minutes – Grade A

    Game 3

    9 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 4-for-6 shooting, 1-for-3 three-point shooting, +22 in 21 minutes – Grade B

    Game 4

     8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 1 turnover, 2-for-8 shooting, 0-for-5 three-point shooting, -1 in 27 minutes – Grade C (same reason as Game 1)

    Game 5

     Nicolas Batum's line: DNP

    Batum rested in France's final game of the preliminary round, citing the "slight ankle injury" noted in the update above.

    Game 6

    8 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 blocks, 2 steals, 3 turnovers, 3-for-10 shooting, 0-for-4 three-point shooting, -7 in 33 minutes – Grade C-  (Same reason as Game 1)

    Tournament Averages

    G Min FG 2P FG 3P FG FT Reb AS TO ST BS PF Pts Avg
    M/A % M/A % M/A % M/A % O D Tot C D
    5 26.0 20/45 44.4 16/21 76.2 4/24 16.7 7/8 87.5 0.8 3.8 4.6 2.0 1.6 0.8 1.0 1.4 2.4 51 10.2

     

    Tournament Grade C to C-.

     

     

     

     

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 09/12/2013 6:07 PM

    some of the FIBA players and teams have been together for a long, long time. nba players that occassoinally play there are not euro players. oscar schmidt just got inducted in the hall of fame and he is a perfect example of a great FIBA player. tony parker, boris diaw and nic batum are not those guys. if you care to compare stats, look at the FIBA games final scores and compare them to nba scores. they are closer to wnba scores or college scores. we get it bmaniac...you don't like Nic Batum. I happen to love his game. I'm not a judge, I'm a fan. It's like Davis cup tennis...Jim Courier was the Michael Jordan of Davis cup but that's where he hung his hat...on the pro tour, he couldn't best Sampras or Agassi....just like Oscar Schmidt or even Sabonis were Euro legends, Batum is not that guy. Still, I cheer for his success because.....I am a fan. Tony Parker went to the finals last season and he's been beaten twice in Europe by relatively unknown players.
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 09/12/2013 6:42 PM

    jeff pendergraph is a beast, he got 1 game to shine against golden state and he took advantage. i root for indiana when blazers aren't in playoffs solely for jeff, same goes for patty and san antonio. the key with those guys is they know their roles as chemistry guys and embrace it. they bring the fun back to sports.


    batum just needs to figure out his role and embrace it, one game he feels he needs to be an all star scorer one he feels like he should be a distributor, find your nitch and do it.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/12/2013 7:32 PM

     

     

    OK Guys let me say it one final time.  I do not hate Batum.  I WANT HIM TO SUCCEED! I am a fan of great Batum play!  What I am not a fan of is his excuses, really inconsistent play, and him trying to be someone he is not.  Stacksfan2005 said it best, "Play to his strength".

     

    I get frustrated and critical with any player who is extremely talented and will not play to the level of talent that they are capable of and when they do not, they have a excuse on why they cannot.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 09/12/2013 8:01 PM

    Batum had 3 triple doubles in a week, had a phenomenal 1st half pre injury season last year. To be a complete, all around player means you do what you need to do given the circumstance. I love it when players are interviewed and instead of saying, I'm a shooter, I'm a rebounder...they say, I'm a basketball player. All four returning starters are going to have a lot more rest on the road and a lot more support from the bench. I think Nic is a vastly underrated perimeter defender.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 09/12/2013 8:03 PM

    Corrections....typo...2 triple doubles in a week.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/13/2013 3:02 AM

    Quiz time!!!!

    1) How many players have recorded a 5x5 in NBA history, during regulation play (not OT)?

     

    2) Name that 5th season player:

    40.4 min  7.9 reb  7.2 ast  1.1 blk  1.8 stl  3.4 to   30 pts     21.9 FGA 10.3 FTA

    38.5 min  5.6 reb  4.9 ast  1.1 blk  1.2 stl  2.6 to   14.3 pts  11.4 FGA  2.8 FTA

    40.9 min  5.9 reb  5.0 ast  0.6 blk  1.7 stl  3.3 to   28.5 pts  22.2 FGA  8.2 FTA

    38.6 min  8.4 reb  3.5 ast  1.2 blk  1.3 stl  3.8 to   28 pts     19.7 FGA  7.6 FTA

    34.0 min  6.0 reb  1.9 ast  0.5 blk  1.2 stl  1.8 to   14.1 pts   12.1 FGA  3.9 FTA

     

    3)  How many SFs had more assists per game than Batum last season?

     

    4)  How many NBA players registered 2 or more tripple-doubles last season?

    5)  How many players averaged 2.3 makes from 3 or more last season?

     

    6) How many players averaged more 38.5 minutes or more last season?

     

     

     

     

    A1:  Seven players.  Their names and age they completed the feat are listed below:

         Julius Earving          age  29

         Hakeem Olajuwon    age 27

         David Robinson        age 27

         Vlade Divac             age 27

         Andrei Kirilenko       age 22

         Marcus Camby         age 29

         Nicholas Batum        age 24       (5 reb 10 ast 5 blk 5 stl 11 pts)

     

     

    A2: LeBron, Batum, Kobe, Durant, Deng

     

    A3: 1 (LeBron)

     

    A4: 9 (Rondo, LeBron, Durant, Pierce, Kobe, Batum, Gasol, Noah, Calderon)

     

    A5: 10 (Curry, R.Anderson, K.Thompson, Korver, W. Matthews, Delfino, Carmelo, Harden, Batum, Lillard)

     

    A6: 5 (Deng, Kobe, Lillard, Durant, Batum)

     

     

     

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 09/13/2013 8:22 AM

    I would stick with the 5X5 numbers cause Batum numbers do not stack up against Durant Lebron and Kobe but do well against Deng. 


    His passing was also a nice evolution in his game. 


    However, how many of those people listed in A6 had 18 games played with over 30 minutes and less that 10 points. 

    Lillard had 5.

    Durant 0.

    Kobe had 1.

    Deng had 6.


    So Batum had 1.5x as many games with 30 minutes played and under 10 points as the other 4 men who played 38.5+ minutes a night combined. Including 3x as many as Deng the highest of the 4. 


    That right there is the reason for the frustration you know he is talented watching him drop 26 on the Lakers, 33 on the Spurs, 35 against the Rockets and 28 against Miami. Then you watch him drop 3 points against the Thunder, 5 with 5 TO against Miami  and a un-explainable  4 points 7 TO against Minnesota and your wondering how this can be the same player. 


    If Batum is going to take the next step he needs to find some consistency. He cannot continue to have 25% of his games be 6 point 3 reb 4 ast kind of nights. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/13/2013 2:25 PM

    There's a failure to understand what it is that Batum brings to the court.  He is not LeBron, Kobe, or Durant primarily because he in NOT the #1 option to score, doesn't start the offense on any regular basis, and takes 1/2 the shot attempts.  Have Stotts make Batum the #1 option.  Have Stotts give Batum the green light to take twice as many shots.  Then we would have more accurate comparison between Batum vs LeBron/Kobe/Durant in terms of stats.  It's not Batum's role to put up 25 a night and be a Kobe style ball hog, it's a team game and LA and Lillards (pick n roll, pick n pop) are the prime means for the Blazer offense.

     

    The reality is, Batum has not been an intrigal part of the offense until his 5th season in the NBA, under a new coach, and when Portland had no other choice but to pay him to be the next Scottie Pippen, or even a Lou Deng.  Imagine where Batum would be if given the opportunity to play his previous 4 seasons under Stotts and allowed to play as he did last season.  Then give him the time on the ball, and the shots, and see where the stats shake out.  We can't do that.  And Batum detractors will ignore that would even had made a difference.

     

    But comparisons to the "best" NBA player(s) in league isn't really the point. Look at Deng's stats (who is also making $14 mil a year, and turned down a contract extention for free agency next season). Deng is a two-time All-Star. Batum is absolutely one of the best SFs in the game.  Don't like it?  Find another team, because there is no pleasing you.

    By season's end, Batum's body of work was solid and he came remarkably close to fulfilling that 15-5-5 preseason pledge. He recorded career highs in scoring (14.3 points per game), rebounding (5.6), assists (4.9), three-pointers (165), blocks (83) and steals (91) and registered those two triple-doubles. He grew as a playmaker, logging more assists (412) than he had over his first four seasons combined (325). And he made history, becoming just the fourth player to record at least 100 three-pointers, 350 assists and 80 blocks in a season, joining LeBron James, Scottie Pippen and Kevin Durant.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/04/nicolas_batum_experiences_a_tale_of_2_seasons.html

     - Joe Freeman/Oregonian

     

    Critiques, and frustration with turnovers and shooting percetage or "consistancy" are valid, but hardly a reason to keep up this rediculous flame fest.  Ignoring the career number Batum put up and dismiss any gains as, "well, he played more?" Give me a freakin' break.  Batum's role on the Blazers is to do everything, to fill in the blanks, and he does that extremely well.  It's a team game.  The sooner y'all can get off Batum's balls, drop the hyperbole, and get behind the TEAM, the better off yall will be.

     

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/13/2013 2:42 PM

    Also from that same article by Freeman:

    "I'm not really satisfied by myself this year," Batum said earlier this week. "My wrist injury slowed me down too much. When I think about this season, I'm going to focus on the second part. The first part was great; I was playing good. But I have to find a way to go through those injuries and play through that and be more of a leader. I have to be better for my team."

    Sound like a guy with heart, a team player, who isn't making excuses, and is focused on his deficiencies rather than his successes so he can improve. 

  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 09/13/2013 2:58 PM

    I think we've gotten caught up to some extent in the negative here. Batum is clearly not Kobe nor is he Durant. But he is the closets thing we have to a nightly triple double threat. Rondo and Lebron James are the leagues only legitimate triple double threats and the just so happen to be SUPERSTARS who are the number one option on their rosters with 2 other stars on either side of them. 


    Now I think I've said it before but it's worth saying again... Batum is our Manu Ginobli. He is the X-Factor in the team and naturally he will have nights where he outs up polarizing performances. What I've always liked about Manu is his uncanny ability to play within himself and allow his teammates to dominate the headlines. Never mind the fact that in recent years he hasn't been the All star he could be. He makes Tony Parker and Tim Duncan better. He completes their 3 pronged attack and makes the Spurs so dangerous. Batum has that in him. With his improved passing and good shooting ability, he can be the 3rd piece of our own 3 headed monster. LA will hurt teams down low and Lillard can attack his man off the dribble. Nic is the guy who can kick out on a drive, force his way to the rim for layups and draw fouls or just keep his man at home and open up things for the other options on our team. Comparing him to genuine MVP candidates is as ridiculous as asking Shaq to make a free throw or asking James Harden to shave his beard. It might happen but it's not likely. So let that go... Forget we ever even mentioned it. Nic is Nic and he is a Blazer!!! He is a damn good Blazer and he showed his talent last season. Now it's time to get behind him and show that we don't only love him when he's playing beyond our expectations but that we love and appreciate the player he is when he puts on the Black and Red of Rip City!! 



    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/13/2013 3:22 PM

    We wouldn't be compairing Batum to LeBron were it not for these troll chumps standing on Nic's nutts. ; )

     

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/14/2013 1:00 AM

     

    Here is a great article that states clearly what I have been trying to say:

    By the Way, great game against Latavia, Nic.

    A Troubling Trend For Nicolas Batum

     

    by

    http://ripcityproject.com/2013/09/11/portland-trail-blazers-nicolas-batum-struggles-for-france-in-fiba-eurobasket/

     

    Nov 25 2012; New York, NY, USA; Portland Trail Blazers small forward Nicolas Batum (88) shoots a technical foul during the first quarter against the Brooklyn Nets at Barclays Center. Mandatory Credit: Anthony Gruppuso-USA TODAY Sports

     

    France was upset for the second time in the EuroBasket tournament today, as they fell to the Lithuanian team 62-76. There was no clear leader for the French today. Tony Parker put up 11 points in 30 minutes of play, while Boris Diaw (yes, that Boris Diaw) acted as the team’s most valuable facilitator with 6 assists. In fact, Diaw was the only French player to exceed two dimes. Their team basketball was iffy to say the least.

    But let’s not worry about that. What I’d like to look at is Nicolas Batum; specifically his shooting. Whether by some cosmic fluke or detailed science, his struggles have affected the French team in the same way they affect the Blazers. When Batum is on, the team does well, when he’s not… There are problems.

    I think a big part of this is Batum’s caliber of play. He’s too good to be considered just a role player, but not good enough to be a team’s leader. He’s a high-level glue guy. When he’s on, it can push his team into the winner’s circle, but when he can’t get things going, the outcome is disastrous. It’s sort of a mid-level dependency. His consistency issues have been the biggest criticism lobbied against him when disapproving of his lucrative contract with Portland.

    Today, Batum shot 3/10 from the field and 0/4 from deep, totaling 8 points on 30% shooting. He marked just 1 assist, paired with 3 turnovers. This was one of those days where he wasn’t on his game, and just like the Blazers, the French team paid for it. That isn’t to put the blame on Batum’s shoulders necessarily, but to identify a correlation.

    Take France’s only other loss for instance. Their first game, they lost to Germany 74-80. Batum shot 4/11 from the field and 1/7 from deep, totaling 9 points on 36.4% shooting. That’s marginally better at best, and even Tony Parker’s efficient 18 points (6/12) couldn’t make up for lost opportunities on Batum’s end. Heck, the French team narrowly escaped the far inferior Ukraine, 77-71, when Nicolas went 2 for 8.

    Compare these games to the ones in which Batum shot well. 7/10 (70%) against Great Britain? Blowout (88-65). 4/6 (66.7%) against Israel? Another blowout (82-63). What troubles me here, is that Batum seems to have about a 50/50 chance of shooting well each night. This isn’t to be confused with simply showing up, as he impacts every game with important blocks, steals, and passing, but his lack of consistent offensive production is concerning.

    Each day moves us closer to another Blazer season, yet it is readily apparent that Batum’s biggest problem persists. I’ve spent too many nights wondering which Batum will show up to the game; borderline all-star, or competitive scrub. At his best, he’s a more accurate Andre Iguodala, but at his worst he’s a struggling Corey Brewer. That can make or break your team; be it in Slovenia or Portland. Hopefully, he’ll reach an ‘ah-ha’ moment, but I wouldn’t count on it by opening night.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/14/2013 2:34 AM

    A "great article" because you agree with it, although it was written without the incindiary trollishness.

     

    Tony Parker put up 11 points in 30 minutes of play [adding 2 reb, 1 assist, 1 turnover, no blocks, no steals].

    It is Batum's fault that Tony Parker is terrible. 

     

    By the way, Batum had 6 boards, 2 steals, and 2 blocks that game, but it's Euro league so who really cares?

     

    Posted by the same guy I've never heard of... and more recently:

    http://ripcityproject.com/2013/09/13/nicolas-batum-and-france-advance-to-eurobasket-quarterfinals/

     

    Nicolas Batum bounced back after a sub-par shooting performance against Lithuania on Wednesday. Today, he scored 19 points on 7/10 shooting, with 10 rebounds, 6 assists, a steal, and a block, [A game high in both rebounds and assists] en route to a 102-91 victory over Latvia. Not a bad stat-line by any stretch....

    He had a great game and so did his teammates. Batum was actually the 3rd highest scorer for France, behind Alexis Ajinca (25), and Tony Parker (23), as France became the first team to break triple-digits in the 2013 EuroBasket tournament. Bear in mind, these are 10 minute quarters, and that is very impressive.

     

    It is Batum's fault Tony Parker is a three-time, NBA World Champion.

     

    Seriously... shut the f..ront door.

     

     

     

     

  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 09/14/2013 6:06 AM

    I would gladly have a better shooting Iguadoula in Batum. His ability to influence the game on both sides of the ball and even when he's having an off night, he must be accounted for on the offensive end because he's such a good shooter. 

    I must also say that while watching some of the FIBA games, I've seen very good play from Claver of Spain. If he can play the way he played against Greece every night, then he will be more than a bench warmer behind Batum and Wright. He brings length and effort and even though i think his jump shot stinks, he could become a good option for the corner 3 if he works at it. Overall I think we've exhausted this discussion up to this point and it's now time to look at other Blazers who may need improvement this season. 


    Examples of such are LMA who must be better defending in the low post and must grab more boards. Leonard whose defence was atrocious last season. Thomas Robinson who shows promise but actually didn't even show up last season. Freeland who couldn't get it done in either front court spot and Claver who must make real improvement to his overall game before he can be a real contributor in Rip City

    I am a fan of shouting Batuuuuuum-Shaka-Laka whenever Nic hits a 3!!!!!
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/14/2013 12:32 PM

     

    Ok since some of you have all the time in the world to post on this blog, I took some time this morning to verify what this "no name reporter" David MacKay who has no credibility because someone has never heard of him.

    He makes a very valid point about winning and losing with Batum.

    The simple research I did was to go back to the last two season and see what the Blazers record were when Batum scored less than 14 points(his average for both seasons) and 14 points or more for both seasons:

    2011-2012 Season

    13 Points or less 11-19

    14 Points or more 15-15

     

    2012-2013 Season

    13 Points  or less 12-25

    14 Points or more 18-15

     

    Ok and I added one more statistic and that is what was Batum's impact prior to his mysterious wrist injury on February 5:

    13 Points or less: 9-14

    14 Points or more 14-9

     

    David MacKay mnakes a very valid point.  "If Batum" shows up the Blazers (his team) have a better certainty of winning.  If he does not show up, bottom line is we suck.

    Which Batum will show up?  History needs to change and that can come from only one thing.  Batum's heart.  Will it or will in not show up.  I hope he changes history, he is the only one that can.

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/14/2013 3:21 PM

    I didn't say this guy I've never heard of isn't credible.  But he's no more credible that me stating my "opinion."  My point is that you only posted this guy I've never heard of when he appears to support what you say, albeit without the hyperbole and trolling.

     

    http://www.eurobasket.livebasketball.tv/live/clip/2270599/title/Full_Game_France_v_Latvia_(EuroBasket_2013)

    Watch the game.  Batum does A LOT more than score.  Batums even has a few dunks, cause I know that's what you base your pro-Hickson/anti-Batum rhetoric on.

     

     

    The coorilation between his scoring and Blazer wins is weak.  You don't understand what Batum does for the Blazers. 

    19 pts 8 rev 6 ast 1 blk vs ORL and lost

    24 pts 3 ast 3 blk vs HOU and lost

    22 pts 8 rev 4 ast 3 stl vs LAL and lost

    23 pts 12 reb vs CLV and lost

    22 pts 7 reb 7 ast 2 stl vs Den and lost

    21 pts 7 reb vs OKC and lost

    20 pts 4 reb 1 blk 3 sts vs WSH and lost

    33 pts 7 reb 4 ast 2 stl vs SA and lost

    23 pts 9 reb 5 ast 3 stl vs LAC and lost

     

    11-9 when he scored over 20.  So the Blazers could be a .500 team if Batum just scored 20 pts a game?  Yep, that the solution.  Just 1 role player averaging 6 points more a game. /end sarcasm

     

    Last I checked Batum recorded only the SEVETH 5x5 in regulation time in the History of the NBA and the Blazers only won by 1 point vs NO. He scored 11 pts that game.

    But...

    He had a tripple double 12pts 10 reb 12 ast vs WSH and LOST.  It's cause he didn't score 20...

     

    Trying to draw a coorilation in an attempt to "prove" it's all Batum's fault the Blazer lose, that he has no balls, no heart... is simply poor analysis at best. 

     

     

    If (Lillard, Matthews, LaMarcus, and Batum...) play well, the Blazers have a better certainty of winning.

    That's reality.

     

    Yet you spend ALL your time blaming all the Blazers problems on Batum, and lobbing slight after slight.  Get off Batum's balls. Saying Batum has more heart as a player than you do as Blazer fan would actually support your argument.  #pathetic

     

     

    You really want to see Batum improve, and shoot with better consistancy, and make his passes a bit sharper, or attack the basket more, fine.  But that is a FAR cry from the crap you've been spewing on this board for ages (no balls, no heart, soft, weak, trade him for anyone... only koolaid drinkers disagree with me).   Qustioning his heart is for trolls. 

     

     

  1. riverman
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    Posted 09/14/2013 6:12 PM

    I think if you asked any team member or coaching staff member about Nic, you'd get a positive response because no matter how you spin the math, the Blazers benefit from having Nic Batum in the starting lineup. Ask Wesley how good Nic is, ask LaMarcus, ask Dame, ask Stotts...these guys are on the front lines together. I'm on their side. Nic Batum gives me a lot of joy as a basketball fan. I actually like this entire roster better than I've liked a roster in a long time. Thanks for the link to the euro game BF...I'm going to watch it tonight and I'll try to find Claver's as well. Time for some new discussion boards in the desert we call Sept in the NBA. This horse has been beaten into dust and washed out to sea already.
    I am a fan of A team that plays like Tower of Power on a big stage on a good night
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/14/2013 7:06 PM

    This horse has been beaten into dust and washed out to sea already... and then ingested by a whale, and pooped out like a BlazerManiac opinion of Batum, LA, or Paul Allen.

     

     

    @riverman  I think most, if not all the games are there.  I don't really enjoy the style of play, the changes in rules, the court dimensions, or the competition.  But it's sort of entertaining, and always good times to watch Batum sky for blocked shot.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/15/2013 9:11 AM

     

     

    Well I guess I ma a troll then as I do question his heart and Mental Toughness  until he shows me other wise.

     

     

    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 09/15/2013 10:04 AM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 09/15/2013 9:11 AM

     

     

    Well I guess I ma a troll then as I do question his heart and Mental Toughness  until he shows me other wise.

     

     



    Acceptance is the 1st step.  I don't know what the rest are, but good luck with your revovery.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/15/2013 8:00 PM

     

    Another bad game for Batum:

     

    Nicolas Batum's line: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal, 1 turnover, 4-for-12 shooting, 1-for-4 three-point shooting, -10 in 34 minutes

     

    ANOTHER LOSS FOR FRANCE

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 09/15/2013 8:14 PM

     

    Good article about the game:

     

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/9/15/4734174/blazers-f-nicolas-batum-france-fall-to-serbia-77-65-in-eurobasket

     

    Blazers F Nicolas Batum, France Fall To Serbia, 77-65, In EuroBasket Second Round

    Richard Mackson-US PRESSWIRE

     

    Stay connected for news and updates

       

    A recap of Portland Trail Blazers forward Nicolas Batum's performance for France against Serbia in Game 8 of the 2013 EuroBasket tournament in Slovenia.

    In case you missed it over the last few weeks, we'll be following Portland Trail Blazers forwards Nicolas Batum and Victor Claver as they compete for France and Spain, respectively. Game breakdowns will be written and individual grades will be handed out after every contest.

    Spain and France both advanced to the tournament's second stage. From there, a knockout round will crown the champion. Here are links to previous recaps...

    Batum Game 1Batum Game 2Batum Game 3Batum Games 4 and 5Batum Game 6Batum Game 7

    Claver Game 1Claver Game 2Claver Games 3, 4 & 5Claver Game 6Claver Game 7

    Let's get on with a recap of Sunday's action.

    Serbia 77, France 65: Game 8, Second Round

    Boxscore

    Nicolas Batum's line: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal, 1 turnover, 4-for-12 shooting, 1-for-4 three-point shooting, -10 in 34 minutes

    EuroBasket's format is insanely and unnecessarily confusing, which is why I have delayed using specifics to size up where France and Spain stand in relation to the rest of the field for as long as possible. On Sunday, France played its final game of the second round. The game both mattered and it didn't: France had already qualified for the knockout stage so a win would only have impacted their seeding and theoretically ensured an easier path to the medal games.

    Batum played his most minutes of the tournament against Serbia and opened the game with a determined approach. The same could be said for France, generally, as this loss wasn't a complete no-show. The body language and communication between coaches and players both indicated that the French are frustrated by their up-and-down play, and they have consistently struggled to take control of tight games when necessary. Here, the Serbians both out-worked and out-shot the French, who seemed surprised that their opponent was so well-equipped to withstand their opening burst of intensity. Serbia led from roughly the two-minute mark of the second quarter on, parrying all French comeback attempts.

    "I was glad to see Nicolas Batum get that rebound because I didn't even know he was out there," the ESPN3.com commentator said during the third quarter. It was a harsh, but fair, barb. During six-plus third-quarter minutes, Batum's only box score contributions were a missed three-pointer and the defensive rebound that the announcer mentioned; although Serbia's lead didn't change all that much from the start of the third to the end, the stretch felt like France's best opportunity to really pull itself back into a position of strength. When Nemanja Bjelica hit a sideways-running, broken play prayer to beat the third quarter buzzer by a few tenths of a second, it seemed clear that this was officially not France's day.

    The second-half sense that Batum wasn't doing much came from, in part, a comparison to his first-half play, which impacted the game even if it was all a bit hurried. His first three shot attempts were all good looks: he missed a running lay-up early, he was the victim of a bad no-call when he was bumped putting up a transition lay-up, and he came hard across the middle to put up a turnaround, only to shoot it with a bit too much power. All three were proactive plays and fairly high-percentage attempts; all three went for nothing.

    His other first-half offensive efforts vacillated between great and not so great.

    Positives: he got his first points with a reaching tip-in in traffic; he curled hard through the paint, executing a great fake before finding a cutting Boris Diaw wide open on the left baseline for a dunk; he hit a drifting left corner jumper to start the second quarter; he earned a foul by taking a shoulder on the drive, and went on to split the free throws; and he converted an entry pass by spinning to finish a lay-up while drawing a foul. He celebrated that last one by pounding the stanchion with his head, but he wound up missing the free throw.

    Negatives: he threw a high screen-and-roll pass through the legs of his big and then couldn't prevent a dunk going the other way in transition; he missed a jumper after a fancy (by his standards) crossover move; and he bricked a long two.

    Defensively Batum had some quality moments. He opened by really working on the perimeter against Bogdan Bogdanovic, moving his feet and fighting over screens. Much of the early play was dominated by a battle in the middle between centers Alexis Ajinca and Nenad Krstic. Batum helped out there, teaming with Ajinca to contest one shot and then following that up with a stretching block of a second-chance opportunity. He also got a block on Bogdanovic right at the rim.

    The final quarter was mostly frustration for Batum and France. He did hit his only three of the game to open the fourth but he would add only two additional points -- a pair of free throws after he was fouled on a drive -- the rest of the way.

    France couldn't catch a break. Batum dug out an offensive rebound only to quickly launch an ill-advised three from the left corner -- chasing some sort of positive momentum -- and miss. Batum got his hand on a great deflection, sending Nando de Colo out in transition. A chasedown block by the Serbians erased that effort. Along the way, Batum was fouled to prevent a pair of opportunities by the physical Serbians. Tony Parker, who finished with just 10 points, was hit with a crucial charging call on a transition lay-up attempt that easily could have been an and-one. France was down seven at that point and it could have been four; instead, Serbia immediately hit a three on the other end and the six-point swing made it a 10-point game in a matter of seconds.

    That was all she wrote. Two more rebounds and a frustration turnover in the closing seconds completed Batum's night.

    The sense from watching these games is that the French are starting to get anxious that they aren't consistently playing at a high level when they face good competition. They've won their share of blowouts but they have also shrunk repeatedly when under duress. That remains a red flag as EuroBasket's wheat is just about separated from the chaff.

    Here's the fan shot of the game via the ESPN3.com broadcast.

    French-fans-2_medium

    Match Rating

    In the spirit of soccer write-ups, we'll hand out match ratings, taking into account  individual expectations for both Claver and Batum. For Batum, we'll use a 1-10 scale calibrated as such: 1 = passive, invisible; 5 = winning his match-up in unspectacular fashion; and 10 = NBA All-Star level play.

    Against Serbia, Batum earned a 4. This wasn't a complete performance by Batum but he didn't fall flat on his face either. Everyone from Parker on down will look at this as a game to be forgotten. Credit the Serbians: Krstic (19 points and four rebounds), Bogdanovic (14 points and five rebounds) and Golden State Warriors 2013 first-round pick Nemanja Nedovic (17 points and three rebounds) all played very well.

    Next Up

    France (5-3) moves on to the final round of the tournament as the No. 3 seed from Group E. They will play Group F's No. 2 seed on Wednesday. Their exact opponent will be determined by the results of Monday's Group F games.

    -- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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  1. summer moves and upcoming draft

    Started by Ricky on 05/19/14 at 12:19 PM

    Paul Allen said how do we get better?  I see no activity in the draft with no draft picks.  The trade possibilities are limited because of the value of our bench players.  We have no cap space.  So I think the improvement of our b...
  2. RipCity Movie!

    Started by Andrew Linares on 05/15/14 at 7:30 PM

    San Antonio game 2

    Started by buffielea on 05/05/14 at 2:02 PM

    Going to game 2 in SA and looking to see if any one else is?  Trying to find where the best seats for BLAZER fans are?
  3. tOfficial 2014 Trailblazer playoff Thread

    Started by Nate Caraway on 04/20/14 at 6:17 AM

    First Game starts tonight. Houston is a tough first round opponent and they play exceptionally well at home. If we can steal a game or two at their place, I feel like we have extremely good chances. 

    P.S. Would anybody happen to have a...

  4. Blazers quiz

    Started by cm_flippin on 04/02/14 at 10:49 PM

    There are many questions and you don''t have to register, you can continue as a guest. Didn''t know about Sporcle though, thanks.

  5. Free Agency 2014 + Aldridge's Comments

    Started by NickPitherUK on 02/18/14 at 6:57 AM

    We won''t have the cap space to sign any of those guys
  6. What happened

    Started by benh7777 on 02/12/14 at 10:22 PM

     

    The Blazers were winning!  That is the key word, were.  Blazers are living proof that you can live and die by the jumper.  Lately it has been dying.

     

    Thank God they are 19 games over 500.  Mayb...

  7. Spencer hawes

    Started by jamsmashers on 02/13/14 at 1:03 PM

    Hawes will be a hot commodity by the trade deadline, I would think the sixers could find a better offer.

    However, I do believe Mo Williams could have somewhat of  a high trade value. Olshey needs to make a deal to get a big man while we...

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