Paul Allen's The summer of Bargain Shopping!
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 07/06/2013 9:47 AM

    Paul Allen is proving himself as a very frugal owner who will only spend money once we are a contender (his words).  Neil Olshey has to be the most frustrated GM in the NBA with Paul Allen controlling the purse string like he is.  Dave did a great article about the Coupon Shopping that Mr. Allen is forcing Olshey to do.

     

     

    Trail Blazers Continue to Confound with Discount Moves

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/7/5/4495160/portland-trail-blazers-robin-lopez-trade

    This was supposed to be the summer of getting a marquis center and making moves that would solidify our bench.  Instead this has been the summer of low budget acquisitions and picking up salary cap players who are being dumped by their former team, so their former team can go after Marquis Players.

     

    So where does that put the Blazers?  We are nowhere closer to having a team that will contend for the 2013-2014 season then we were last year.  It appears we are still in the re-building mode and now more than ever positioning LMA to get traded and unload his contract.

     

    So again the question has to be asked, is Paul Allen more concerned about profits then winning championships?

     

    He says he is, however the proof is in his actions and they don’t match up.

     

    Your Thoughts?

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/06/2013 10:29 AM

    I personally like most of the moves. The last thing we need are prima donnas trying to dictate the direction of our squad. More importantly is that in our Rose City demographic we need team ball players. We can not afford to have any of the leagues Mussolini's and Napoleons poisoning the youngsters on the roster. As for the moves we've made thus, i think we look a helluvalot better than we did last year. We certainly arent where we want to be yet...but we sure arent where we were either. Patience my friend,i think Olshey has a few ideas left.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2013 12:25 PM

    I actually think Allen is being smart. There's no point in dealing with the new debilitating luxury tax until your team is in the contender conversation. Until then, it's adding pieces and getting better every year. Olshey doesn't seem frustrated at all. In fact, they seem to be in on everything together--something that wasn't happening with Rich Cho or Kevin Pritchard.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2013 1:18 PM

    Some things never change.   And no, I am not at all talking about Paul Allen. lol
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 07/06/2013 2:11 PM

    Yeah we totally should have overpaid the guy who can't shoot and fits NO need (Josh Smith)


    Or Overpay for Tyeke Evans who has been regressing since his rookie season and still can't shoot a 3.


    Or throw all our money at Pekovic and get matched....


    Or use all our space on a old, Iguodala that will regress like Gerald Wallce is


    I don't get how Paul Allen is more worried about profits?? We still used all our 12 million of cap space?? Just because we didn't overpay for someone who didn't fit NOW hes being cheap??!? 


    I dont get it yo? lol


    Only upgrade I can see that was semi-available is Omer Asik 

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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2013 2:35 PM

    Now that Dwight's in Houston, they might take Lopez, Claver, and Freeland for Asik. I think it would be cheaper for Houston so they could afford Howard, and they could waive Freeland I believe.

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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2013 2:46 PM

    Also, I think Dave got puked on at the amusement park and that's why he came back so pissed off. Knee-jerk rants rarely contain ANY wisdom. Kinda like Greg Crawford's reaction to picking McCollum at 10.


    I'm cool with Olshey making more moves or even stopping now. Half the playoff teams last season were fully-formed with a superstar or two and a deep roster of role players. I like the team Olshey is putting together.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 07/06/2013 2:49 PM

    Dave snapped on that thread. The Homers were so scared ahahah


    No way Asik gets traded for Lopez, Claver and Freeland. Joel's 3 million guaranteed contract is one of the contracts Morey doesn't want near his roster. Lopez, Crabbe miiiggghhht get it done if they can't get anyone else.

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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2013 3:05 PM

    True, Crabbe would be better for Houston as far as money goes. I wouldn't mind that deal, now that we have Wright's proven shooting off the bench. We'll see. The summer is young.

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  1. Hurricane
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    Posted 07/06/2013 3:58 PM

    I've always believed in that old saying that a champion team beats a team of champions. If the side is built around the stars with some good support and a solid bench then grab some bargain players to keep in the war chest to make an impact on occasion the Blazers could surprise a few people. 

    Markets like the Australian NBL and the Chinese league could be a goldmine. 

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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2013 4:41 PM

    Foreign players still have to go through the draft. So our only option from Australia and China would be the rights to players that other teams have drafted and stashed.

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  1. sedare
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    Posted 07/06/2013 4:59 PM

    Unless they have already come over, been released, and can just be signed.

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/08/2013 10:33 AM

    I never heard that this was the summer we find our "marquis center", as you put it... more just that we needed a REAL center, one that plays defense. Lopez = CHECK. Sure it's a little less rebounding than Asik, but solid D in other areas, and a much lower cost. You call this cheap, I call it value!

     

    Are you also saying we haven't solidified our bench? Nothing personal, but what have you been watching? Wright's production ALONE is nearly equivalent to our entire bench production last year. That's our new backup SF, plus we have a new backup guard, a new backup PF, and a new C. Bench upgrade = CHECK.

     

    We are significantly better than last year, and we might not even be done yet this offseason!

     

    The only way we can draw in one of the superstars, if that's what you mean by "marquis player", would be to shop LMA, but you demonize that as well. For the record, I think we absolutely KEEP Aldridge, but that's because I think we have all the "marquis players" we need already. Meyers is still even a possibility to be our COTF, so maybe last year was the summer for our marquis center and we just don't know it yet :P Either way though, like Fanatic said, this seems like more of the same from you... I'm happy to have people on both sides of a debate about the Blazers, because we can't have a legitimate discussion if everyone was in agreement... but it's starting to feel like you're being negative just to be negative, because you're certainly not being accurate.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/08/2013 11:07 AM

    Blazer247 your much lower cost argument is very flawed considering we are paying Lopez 7.472 million this season, which is less than a million away from Asik's 8.374 million cap hit. 


    Also while we are improved over last year with the moves made this summer Portland is likely to be limited to a MLE next summer provided we make another move to get the team just above the cap. That means with the exception of signing one player next year and some minor vet minimum moves our next two summers are finished. 


    So the question is did we do enough to convince LA to stay? A lot of that will depend heavily on the development of Crabbe, McCollum, Barton and Leonard, if they can be valuable contributors then perhaps with one more signing next summer LA will want to return. If they do not develop you can guarantee LA will want out and the Blazers will be relegated to rebuilding again. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/08/2013 11:58 AM

    At least now we have bench players who actually have some trade value unlike last season. Lopez is a mil short of Asik this season only because of his trade kicker which we absorbed. LaMarcus will do what is best for him and that's probably two seasons away anyway, as of now our core is returning and we have depth. We're a really young team and over the next few years the top teams are all going to get older such as (Spurs, Lakers) I want to to enjoy this upcoming season for what it is, not lament about what it could have been. I don't expect our rookies to be stars this season.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/08/2013 1:15 PM

    Yeah Cmeese I hadn't realized how close the pricetag was for Asik and Lopez this year, but despite that, I still believe that Lopez fits the Blazers better for what he brings and how he does it. Anyway it's a moot point as we all know, since Houston has made clear they have no interest in letting go of Asik!

     

    Something else to consider when it comes to our success this season is how so many other teams seem to be aiming low. We almost grabbed the 8th seed last year, and our team is unquestionably stronger now. Looking forward to the season.

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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/08/2013 2:56 PM

    I agree 100% with the post.


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  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/08/2013 3:50 PM

    Maniac, I think we're WAY better this season than last season. It's not even close. That's my thought. We might not have signed a "marquis" player but we kept all our "marquis players together. Last years rookies should be improved this season. We're 10 deep as opposed to 5. We have 2 legit 7ft centers. Paul Allen is a great guy to have as an owner. I don't know, maybe some of you are billionaires out there but you don't get there by making bad decisions. I know I could learn from a guy like Paul Allen. When you're that wealthy, losing money on an investment is a tax write off. I completely disagree that Allen is profit driven when it comes to the Blazers.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/08/2013 3:55 PM

    We all know there's a gray area, right? As in, just because Paul Allen doesn't want to spend recklessly, or just because he didn't buy the most expensive guy available, that certainly doesn't mean he's primarily motivated by profits, right? I feel like we're all smarter than that but maybe it still needs to be clarified...

     

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  1. Terkish
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    Posted 07/08/2013 4:56 PM

    I'm almost positive I read somewhere that Mr. Allen has lost over a BILLION dollars on the Blazers since he became owner. Not SPENT a billion, LOST a billion. So accusing him of being in this just for profits is pretty ridiculous. I think it's more of a hobby than a business and I believe he wants to bring Portland a championship, just not the way we've tried in the past. I think if we can make some noise in the playoffs he will give the green light to Olshey to go over the cap.

     

  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/08/2013 5:20 PM

    Exactly Terkish. The fact that he's lost that much I think gives him a right to be a little cautious about excess spending. Plus it's not like he's stopped putting money into the team; owning a franchise is a constant upkeep, not a one-time payment. Here's to making some noise in the playoffs and giving him a reason to take it to the next level :)

     

    also, welcome to the boards! Nice elbow pinwheel tat, looks pretty fresh.

     

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  1. Terkish
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    Posted 07/08/2013 7:19 PM

    Thanks 247, actually been reading these boards for awhile, just never felt like commenting til now. Tattoo was fresh when the picture was taken but its a couple years old now.

  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 07/08/2013 10:55 PM

    I honestly believe that instead of picking up guys that are big names, we went after players that would work within the system. We have both LMA and Dame who are capable of demanding attention and lots of it. Really what they needed were shooters who could put the ball in the net, as well as a bench who could be competent enough to be on the floor for more then 2 minutes and not give up a big lead. I honestly like the moves that have been done and I think they are in the right direction.

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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 07/09/2013 1:41 AM

    I agree straight up with schwabbii. Our new signings are going to be filling in where we need them to. We now have more guys capable of doing damage in the Stotts system. Claver, Barton and Freeland were promising projects but are not the shooters that we have acquired in McCollum, Wright and to some extent Crabbe. When Dallas won the title in 2011, they did so with great shooting in the Lakers series. And out West, great shooting is key- Golden state and OKC give testament to that. 


    With our teams shooting and a legit inside threat (insert the name Lamarcus Aldridge here), we have all the weapons we need to be a better scoring team than we were last year. Lopez now fills the role of our starting C and will be a big help with his presence inside. His Pick and Roll defense needs a lot of work but he will be a better helper on D when our wings chase their men off the 3pt line. All in all, it's been a good offseason and if we can flip one or two guys in a trade for a better Center next year then we can cross that bridge when we get there. For now I think the league and especially the Western conference is wide open and we are in great position to force for the 6 or 7th seed. 

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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/09/2013 8:26 AM

    Does anyone think its weird that people are worried about if paul allen made money or lost money on the blazers, that cant be the ultimate standard, he should just buy a championship the way miami did and then we can go back to being kind of good for 20 years.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/09/2013 10:16 AM

    Lol Kenny I hope you're joking! You're right that we shouldn't be concerned with Paul Allen's pocketbook, but that doesn't mean we should go back to the idea of spending frivolously in the hopes of being that lucky team that comes out on top for 1 season.

     

    I personally have zero interest in buying a championship. It's the way the Lakers have made their reputation, and now Heat are following suit, but it's not Portland. 

     

    I'd rather wait for our team to grow together and earn a championship that buy it with players who won't be Blazers a few years later.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/09/2013 10:54 AM

    Its starts with drafting and trading for MEN. I too am not a fan of buying a championship team. Im in favor of building one. Dame and LaMarcus are a great foundation to build upon, now we need the walls,windows,doors,and ceiling.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/09/2013 11:33 AM

    Yeah its jokey, but i would like us to  get some pieces that would give us a better chance at being in the western conference finals, this summer in my opinion doesn't get us there, it might get us into the first round but thats not the goal.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/09/2013 12:45 PM

    I think we could be a team that nobody wants to face in the playoffs. We have a lot of young, hungry guys with chips on their shoulders and our starters can play with anybody when healthy. Has there ever been a season when we haven't gone under the radar? Even when we opened the season last year and beat the Lakers in their court the headlines were, Lakers lose not Blazers win. I' m used to it. I give us a shot in the West and it's not going to be the same West as it has been. I think  Dallas, Utah, Denver and the Lakers are all going to be worse.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/09/2013 12:52 PM

    I have no problem at all buying a championship if we can do so. This franchise has not had one since 1977 and the deserves a title. You can talk about all the merits of building from within, but if that does not work why not go out and get the best of the best.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 07/09/2013 7:15 PM

     

     

    Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    Now we have one major issue with the bargain shopping.  LMA - with the changes that have been made, I do not see him staying at the end of his contract!

     

    What team has a weak SF and a good Center that we can trade Batum for?  Trade Batum for Pekovic (Possible throw in Lopez to make salaries work)!

     

    Minnesota has Shabazz slated to start!

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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 07/09/2013 11:50 PM

    we had a championship caliber team with Drexler problem was so did about 8 other teams only 3 or 4 got it during that time period. Fast forward to today our starting 5 was one of the best in the NBA (cmeese you had the numbers on that once)it was our bench that sucked and our defense. I think at least a quarter of that had to do with we had 2 pf and no center. Coach Canolli I am sure will be a fantastic coach one day is just not there yet. We have addressed 3 problems and none of them are sexy.

    1. A real center not a real needle mover but has good defense, can score maybe a little shy on the rebound dept but circumstances could change that. Also can help our other center get the starting job who can be the real needle mover

    2.Bench- Barton, Crabbe, CJ, Someone is coming in and scoring if not than our draft sucked and we are a bit better than last year because  Wright is an upgrade to Babbit and Claver combined. T Rob is an upgrade to Freeland.

    3.Defensive coach upgrade pretty sure anything is better.

    4. If we were talking football if your oline sux you don't get a quarterback and a wide receiver you get a guard and a tackle. Not sexy but it is what you have to do and that is what we did.

    I hated not being able to keep JJ but I do not think he wanted to come off the bench. All in all a pretty decent FA/draft decisions. How good or bad time will tell.

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  1. Cailin Pietersen
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    Posted 07/10/2013 3:12 AM

    I'm really impressed with our summer moves so far. Without getting the marquis C that everyone kept dreaming of, we are already moving forward in the West. If we get out to a good start while Denver, Utah, the Laker and Dallas all try to find their feet we could easily grab the 5th seed behind the Spurs, OKC, Clippers and Warriors. Memphis will probably make the playoffs but won't be as good without Lionel Hollins. Houston will make the postseason too but I don't think they will make the 2nd round even with Howard. 


    In short, if we can keep Wes healthy and Batum can play the way he did before the All-star break all season, we will be a real threat in the West and we could even that 5th seed or at worst the 7th seed. We can beat anybody, we showed that by sweeping Chicago last year but we also need to win the winnable games- Washington, New Orleans and Charlotte. We dropped a few games unnecessarily last year. That can't happen this year if we plan on makin any noise beyond  March 31st. 

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