Report: Blazers acquire Robin Lopez
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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 07/05/2013 4:40 PM

    I guess you (Scott) didn look at the big picture.

    Last Season

    Starters :Lillard/Mathews/Batum/Aldridge/Hickson

    Bench: Maynor/Barton/Claver/Leonard

    And we put down a fight for the playoffs until the last month...

    Now we have

    Starters: Lillard/Mathews/Batum/Aldridge/Lopez

    Bench: Mcollum/T-Rob/Leonard (And still looking for some more Backups)

    I guess this was an improvement, wont we have at least better chances to reach the playoffs?

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/05/2013 4:53 PM

    Posted By Scott Chirgwin on 07/05/2013 4:20 PM

    "bang for your buck" Are we trying to win or are we shopping for Peanut butter? 

    I agree that Robin Lopez is a good value at 6.7 Million per yr. in fact per dollar spent Robin Lopez is better than Howard, Horford and Hibbert. But from a fans perspective, that is no way to run an NBA franchise, and really what is the team without the fans? The fact is that we have been rebuilding this team for 12 years and we had a chance to drastically improve this team this off season, but decided to spend mediocre money for mediocre players.

    Result: going to have a mediocre season. I hope I am wrong and will be a die hard Blazer fan till the end!


    I am a fan.  I have a perspective.  Peanutbutter is delicious.  Your "facts"... not so much.  Your expectations about what $12 mil and some picks can do for a team that is missing:

    starting center

    back up PF

    back up PG

    back up SG

    back up SF

    ect, ect...  is the opposite of realistic or factual.  I get the frustration, and I understand the desire to cheer for a contender.  It just causes me to pause and shake my head when I see these kind of comments, fueled by unrealistic expectation, and punctuated by a pre-mature reaction.  I think Olshey is being smart about the moves he's making.

     

    How medeocre was last year prior to "tanking"?  Blazers contented with every team in the NBA.  Miami, Spurs... and adding depth and a legit center and you say you have even lower expecations than last season?  lol  Wow.

     

    Chew on this:  of the last 300 All-NBA players, only 10% came to their team as a free agent.  25% in a sign and trade.  

     

  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/05/2013 5:23 PM

    And the other 65% was brought to the teams by a special stork. Lot of people say some crap about the team, then say I hope I am wrong, die hard blazer fan till the end. It's kind of like calling someone ugly and then saying no offence.

    Scott, would you like us to sign Dwight Howard, and not have a bench? 

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/05/2013 5:24 PM

    Half the people say Lopez is great at defending pick and roll, other half say he is horrible and a huge liability. Which is it?

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/05/2013 5:30 PM

    By stork, you mean draft.  I knew what you meant Rip.

     

    As for Lopez, all I care about is that he is a significant upgrade at center.  Time will tell anything beyond that.  I'm not gonna hop on any rollercoaster regaurdless of whether it's headed up or down at this point.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/05/2013 5:34 PM

    Rip Lopez is not a good defender however, he is a force on offense, especially in the pick and roll. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/05/2013 5:41 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/05/2013 5:34 PM

    Rip Lopez is not a good defender however, he is a force on offense, especially in the pick and roll. 



    So you're saying he will be a huge upgrade to Hickson.  I'm glad we agree.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/05/2013 6:05 PM

    He is a better fit than Hickson

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/05/2013 6:14 PM

    Look, we needed a better defender. I am not sure we got that in Lopez. We got a shot blocker. That's alright, as long as he isn't a liability on defence. People have mixed opinions about that. He is better offensively, great. I think JJ was great, I was really impressed with his mid range jumper. Lopez gets most of his touches around the rim and that's fine. 

    What's alarming is the rebounding. We do not have any good defensive rebounders on our team. Lamarcus improved a lot last year, but he's still not great. We need a solid rebounder, because if Lopez alters or blocks shots, it's useless if the opponent just gets the rebound and an easy putback.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. Scott Chirgwin
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    Posted 07/05/2013 7:59 PM

    Nope! Brings too much drama wherever he goes. But he is worth what he is paid and he is a championship caliber player. When DH wants too he is the most dominant big man in the game, I remember him going for 25 and 25 back in 2011/2012 with the magic. Not to mention the defensive presence he has. Here is a fact for you now. I just disagree with this move, I think its like putting a band-aid on a cut off limb. I do enjoy your "either with us or against us" rhetoric though.

    81% of NBA Champions had a recent All-Defensive 1st Team Selection DH 2008-2012 (missed on the Laker team)

    wait...Are you trying to compare Robin Lopez to DH...FAIL!

  1. Scott Chirgwin
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    Posted 07/05/2013 8:07 PM

    So your saying that the Blazers are not an attractive enough team to persuade any free agents to sign with them? I don't know if I buy that argument, since I saw Al Jefferson going to the Bobcats. Are you saying we are worse than the Cats? Thats low!


    Enjoying the debate BTW


  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/05/2013 8:15 PM

    Big Al went for 1 reason. MONEEYYYY! God Damn, that was a lot of money.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. Scott Chirgwin
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    Posted 07/05/2013 8:17 PM

    Thats low man, I remember the days of stoudamire, ryder, and kemp. Yet I remain faithful still. If I wasn't a fan I would not waste my time on this forum I would be over on the Pelican forum LMFAO about the trade.

  1. Scott Chirgwin
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    Posted 07/05/2013 8:22 PM

    So now the Blazers are just flat broke, we can't afford top tier players? the Nets budget sits at 80 million. You saying JZ has more money than Paul Allen. Quit making excuses for the GM, and quit excepting sub-par athletes, this isn't little league baseball where everyone gets a trophy. You pay for Talent in the NBA.. FACT!

    Big Al only went for 11.5/yr BTW thats peanuts for an All-Star center.

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/05/2013 8:26 PM

    He is making 13.67 million but he is still pretty much with that kind of investment.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/05/2013 8:48 PM

    Posted By Scott Chirgwin on 07/05/2013 8:22 PM

    So now the Blazers are just flat broke, we can't afford top tier players? the Nets budget sits at 80 million. You saying JZ has more money than Paul Allen. Quit making excuses for the GM, and quit excepting sub-par athletes, this isn't little league baseball where everyone gets a trophy. You pay for Talent in the NBA.. FACT!

    Big Al only went for 11.5/yr BTW thats peanuts for an All-Star center.


    Your arguments are full of straw, cliche, and "rhetoric."  This isn't little league baseball?  You pay for tallent in the NBA?  lol  Great arguments. If your purpose is to instigate an argument rather than engage in discussion, just be honest about it. 

     

    Maybe you could start with telling me what year "Big Al" was an All-Star.   Then perhaps end with explaining how the Bobcats are going to be contenders now.

     

     

  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/05/2013 9:18 PM

    In all fairness Blazer Fanatic, may I call you BF, though I agree with you, Big Al should have been an All Star looooong ago, multiple times, even with his atrocious defence. If you can put David Lee on an All Star team, you HAVE to put Big Al on one.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/05/2013 11:52 PM

    Posted By RipCity 14 on 07/05/2013 9:18 PM

    In all fairness Blazer Fanatic, may I call you BF, though I agree with you, Big Al should have been an All Star looooong ago, multiple times, even with his atrocious defence. If you can put David Lee on an All Star team, you HAVE to put Big Al on one.


    So let's call LA a 3 time All-Star, and we can pretend Jefferson is an All-Star.  The point I was making was more to his use of hyperbole and cliche to make an argument against something no one was arguing, and not providing support or a reasoned argument as to what his real objection was to what people were posting.  If fans don't like the moves Olshey has made, ok, explain away your reasoning.  But when that opinion is simply pessimism and bias against Blazers players or organization, it's just noise and doesn't make for good discussion.

     

    I wouldn't have put Lee on an All-Star team.  I don't think he makes it had the format not changed to guards and forwards.  I don't believe a majority of coaches would vote Lee ove LA in good faith.

  1. sug81
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    Posted 07/06/2013 12:03 AM

    It's not always about the money in Al's case... it definitely was. But, a big reason players aren't chomping at the bit to be a Blazer is due to weather and like LA has said nothing to do there, now I don't know if this is true considering I don't live in Portland, but maybe some natives could shed some light...

    I am a fan of that GRIT & GRIND
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2013 12:11 AM

    Posted By sug81 on 07/06/2013 12:03 AM

    It's not always about the money in Al's case... it definitely was. But, a big reason players aren't chomping at the bit to be a Blazer is due to weather and like LA has said nothing to do there, now I don't know if this is true considering I don't live in Portland, but maybe some natives could shed some light...


    Many Blazers who aren't from here, come back here to live or keep a 2nd residense here.  Channing Frey loves Portland.  I believe with LA, it has more to do with him being from TX, and being home sick, and the weather probably does play a small part in that respect.  I am fairly certain if you ask starter caliber players around the league, their main reason for wanting to change teams is dependent on who they are playing as much as, if not more than, the money.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2013 12:11 AM

    who they are playing with*
  1. sug81
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    Posted 07/06/2013 12:36 AM

    I mean I've also heard players say they'd love to be in Portland because it allows them to only focus on basketball I forgot to add that part in. And yeah I definitely agree with that BF if I were lucky enough to be 6-5 and have a forty inch vertical it would be all bout the teammates for me.

    I am a fan of that GRIT & GRIND
  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/06/2013 1:56 AM

    BF, Lamarcus IS a three time all star. We all know it. They don't need to acknowledge it. I think being voted a reserve is better, because you're voted in by the coaches, whoa actually know about the game, not the plethora of idiot fans who think Blake Griffin is an All Star. His rookie season, no doubt, dude was deserving. Not now though.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 07/06/2013 5:20 AM

    Griffenstein was never deserving of a slot as an All-Star he is a one trick pony that was over hyped and to which the refs were instructed to treat with blinders on. He should have fouled out of every game his first season. Andre Miller got so mad that he broke his streak of consecutive games played due to lousy officiating in favor of Griffenstien. 3 years in the league and when he cant jump he aint got no defense, no offense, no game.
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  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/06/2013 5:56 AM

    With you on that Barnett, I do not like Griffin either, still, even if he can only dunk, 20 and 10 in your rookie season is deserving of an all star invite. One day, he is going to injure his knee (again), and then he is gone. No offensive game, no defensive game, his rebounding is already becoming bad. Same will happen to Russell Westbrook. I am hoping it won't happen to D Rose, because Rose is such a nice guy.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/06/2013 8:57 AM

    Griffin is much better than you guys give him credit for. On his worst rebounding year ever he was still gathering more rebounds per 36 than LA on his best rebounding year ever. He is also a fantastic passer, right up there with Marc Gasol as best passing big man in the league. Also Griffin had a career low FGA at the rim this last season and still managed to shoot almost 54%. 


    No I do not like Griffin but I certainly think he is better than you are giving him credit for.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/06/2013 9:15 AM

    He isn't really a great passer, it's just that other big men are so sh*te. He is good for his position, and he gets a lot of his assists kicking it out of the double teams (which is something I respect), and off lobs.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. Thetruth4
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    Posted 07/06/2013 11:29 AM

    Withey didn't have great potential. While I loved the pick and did think he was a steal for us, he has about the same ceiling that Lopez has. The only difference is Lopez is further a long in his development. Lopez is an above average defender, a shot blocker (which we sorely needed) and has some offensive game in the pic n role, which will benefit both Lamarcus AND Lillard. 


    Now, if you wanted the Blazers to go sign Al Jefferson, then you are a moron. I do not think you are a moron, but how exactly would he help us? He is older Then L.A, and although he is good on offense, he gets destroyed on defense. And Defense was our biggest problem last year, especially in the paint.


    I love the move by NO for a couple reasons. Signing Lopez allows us to also go and fill out the rest of our bench. So what has Olshey done this summer so far?

    He has gotten us a serviceable center with room for improvement, he has bolstered our bench, AND we still have 4m left to spend. We can now get a D.Wright and maybe Devin Harris. So to me, Olshey has adressed and fixed neary all the problems we had as a team last year. Obvioulsy there is still work to be done, but Olshey is a smart guy, and he keeps getting a lot for a little. Im a fan of that.

    I am a fan of Lillard's step back three
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2013 2:08 PM

    Posted By sug81 on 07/06/2013 12:36 AM

    I mean I've also heard players say they'd love to be in Portland because it allows them to only focus on basketball I forgot to add that part in. And yeah I definitely agree with that BF if I were lucky enough to be 6-5 and have a forty inch vertical it would be all bout the teammates for me.


    FA Wright agreeing to come to Portland, with a strong suitor in OKC, is a solid FA pick up.  Why did he choose Portland?

     

    His agent Greg Lawrence:  He was really impressed with Coach Stotts and Neil and how they thought he would fit in... He's excited about playing with Lillard and he likes the city."

    The Wright words (via C. Haynes): "It was a great opportunity to play with a good team that has great players in Damian Lillard, LaMarcus and Nicolas Batum... Their style of play was one of the biggest things that enticed me. They run up and down and shoot threes. It reminds me of my days in Golden State... It rains a lot but it's cool with me. I would rather have rain than snow any day. They have some of the best fans in the NBA, so you have to love playing in that type of atmosphere. I just felt this was the best spot for my skill-set and I'm happy to be in Rip City."

     

    What I take from that, are a few things:

    Rain not a factor

    Came to play with the great players Portland has now

    Loves the Coach and style of play

    Portland fans > OKC fans  (head shot!)  ; )

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 07/06/2013 2:39 PM

    Lillard already attracting FAs niceeee

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  1. Hurricane
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    Posted 07/06/2013 3:47 PM

    Not knowing a lot about Lopez (don't get a huge amount of NBA back home) I had to YouTube some stuff and the guy looks good. If the Blazers are to play post season we can't sit on a guy like Withey and with for him to be good in 3 years. Lopez has experience and season. He has a track record. Withey has nothing put potential to be something Lopez already is. 

    Lopez isn't a starter and probably never will be but I feel with maybe 1 or 2 similar centers and a PF that can play center we can have an impact position. 20 minutes or so a piece. 

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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/06/2013 3:59 PM

    Posted By Hurricane on 07/06/2013 3:47 PM


    Lopez isn't a starter and probably never will be 


    That might be part of the problem. Our best center isn't really a starter. We'll have to watch Leonard closely. If he comes back stronger and has a better sense of positioning on defense, he might get the start. At the same time, I'm thinking Lopez will be our starter unless we make another deal. I agree though, that Lopez already is what we hoped Withey could become. And he's only 3 years older than Withey anyway.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2013 6:56 PM

    I'm not calling Lopez an All-Star, but I think it's a bit silly after they guy started all 82 games last season to say he isn't a starter.
  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 07/06/2013 7:11 PM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 07/06/2013 6:56 PM
    I'm not calling Lopez an All-Star, but I think it's a bit silly after they guy started all 82 games last season to say he isn't a starter.

    i agree with this. while fropez isn't the best center by any means he adds some toughness in the post the blazers haven't had in awhile. my only complaint would be rebounding but im optimistic in that regard. all he needs to do is be solid and we are a much better team than last year. i love the offseason moves even tho they are not the greatest they are solid and the bench situation is looking pretty decent.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 07/06/2013 7:25 PM

    Lopez had a career year under Monty Williams last season and the thing I like is he's only 25 years old and weighs 255. He's coachable. My only fear with Lopez is that he gets a crew cut and turns out to be 6'3

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 07/06/2013 8:10 PM

    LOL  classic riverman
  1. RipCity 14
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    Posted 07/06/2013 8:36 PM

    Lol, what's Nerlens Noel like then, 5"5? Probably would way even LESS.

    I am a fan of Raymond Felton. Haha, seriously though I'm a fan of Batum's Lobs and JJ's Slams.
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/07/2013 1:50 AM

    Well, Unholy, if it helps your doubts, in Lopez's last three games of the season he posted 12, 13, and 13 rebounds respectively.

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  1. Just Tim
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    Posted 07/07/2013 10:07 PM

    Anyone who says that a very slow, unproven bench warmer (Withey) is of equal or greater value than a proven starter with excellent athletic ability is just not thinking this through very well.  Us fans have been calling for a much faster pace for this team for a long time.  This move amounts to a very large step in that direction.  Withey CANNOT IN ANY WAY maintain a fast pace while Lopez fits quite nicely.  


    Patience, Blazer fans.  I believe we will all appreciate this trade soon enough.

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