Sixth-Man Acquisition: Scenario's
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/23/2013 1:27 PM

    I belive everyone that watches this team has fully come to the conclusion that we probably would be a playoff team, if we had solid bench production, at the least. Where we lack is in the sixth man, or role player who can come in and score. Mabe some of the rookies can develop into that, but for now, we are in a position where we can't wait too long. LA aging, conract situations, cap-wise. We need to make moves either before the deadline, or in free agency this summer. And Olshey has made statements saying that exact same thing.

     

    A huge factor in all of this is JJ Hickson, and if/how we could keep him next year AND acquire those pieces. His cap-hold is 7.6 mil. Meaning if we wanted to keep him in the offseason, we could not sign a player to over 5.9 mil (that is, if we decline payer option of Pavlovic).
     

    There are two scenarios, each very possible in what I am seeing, in which we can make a trade for a sixth man AND keep JJ. Both scenarios involve the same dealing by us, yet we can either recieve either Tyreke Evans or JJ Redick.

    For the Kings, they are looking at a choice this offseason, a) stick with Tyreke, put forth a qualifying offer ( 6 mil) lose some value in acquiring a free agent and keep a player who has been missused and regressed under the organization. or b) let Tyreke go to another team and gain nothing for him.I personally think that they are already thinking trade, it hasn't worked with him and teams are willing to give up a lot for this player. 

    For the Magic, they face a somewhat similar situation this offseason. a) stick with Redick, put forth a qualifying offer (9 mil) in order to match any other teams offers, have 0 cap in order to sign free agents. Basically commit to having two SG's with high paying, long term contracts, or b) let JJ go for nothing. This one's more of a no-brainer though, because there's basically no way, if Orlando is sane, retain's Redick. They're for sure looking to trade him.

    To acquire Tyreke, trade the Kings some expiring contracts in Babbitt & Nolan, this year's first and 2014 unprotected first rnd pick. It seems obvious that they don't know what to do with Tyreke. Let them actually rebuild fresh and try and do something with their money & draft future, especially if they move to Seattle. Olshey has shown he is willing to give up draft picks, and Tyreke has all the talent in the world to be a starter, though for us I think he would shine as a sixth man of the year candidate.

    For Redick, same thing goes, except I'm sure they would do it for a 2nd rather than a first in 2014, since Redick has less upside than Tyreke & the Magic are much more likely to lose him for nothing in the offseason. Orlando is still rebuilding, trying to gain assets and youth, draft picks, etc.

     

    These are just two options, I'm sure there are plenty of other viable players who this would work for. But either of these players could work very well on our team, each in different wasy, and excell our bench into great production.

    I'm not usually open to trade talking, during the season or at any time. But these two possibilities involve so much gain and barely any loss. Both team's benefit, so it is realistic enough. And it involves a way to use pieces that most would claim couldn't be used in a trade (Babbit/Nolan).

    This board is not necessarily to open up ESPN trade-finder and do whatever, but a thread to open up realistic possibilites for this team to grow, wether it be via trade, free agency, draft, etc. mainly in bench production.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/23/2013 2:43 PM

    Just an FYI on the rules you cannot trade away first round picks on consecutive years. Furthermore, since we already owe a first round pick the first available pick that could be traded would be two years after Charlotte gets our pick. Meaning at the earliest 2015 and 2017. On any year the Bobcats do not get our pick you could offer to swap picks with the team as a way to work around this but it is not recommended. 

    With that being said I do believe that Evans could be acquired without multiple firsts or giving up a starter. But the easier move would be to offer one of our European stash players and a second to Boston for Barbosa. 

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/23/2013 3:29 PM

    I think if we are just getting bench players, we could easily get Jeremy Pargo, that was waived from cleveland and would be a good backup PG, and make a move to get some more bench players, 1 or 2, via trade(using almost any of our bench players) or free agency...

    And there is the possibility to make a bigger move, involving JJ, not much probable, but something to consider if we get to improve the team with it...

    Either way, we need to move fast...

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/23/2013 5:20 PM

    Yeah I think we should try to buy a 2013 draft pick OR try to get Miami, BKN, NYK or a team that will get a low first round pick- Then we can trade our 2014 draft pick.

    I would LOVE to bring in Jeremy Pargo! Blazers need to hurry and create space just to show the fans that they will make some moves......


    I would rather bring in Tyreke he would be awesome ! But he has been working well in SAC, I dont know if they trade him. His TOs are down and his FG% has been great the past 10 games (14pts 5reb 2asst 2steals 51FG%)

    Others 6 men I would look to acquire are: Jordan Crawford, Nick Young, Gerald Henderson, Alan Anderson, 

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/23/2013 6:22 PM

    Perfect ^ great 6th man if those don't pan out.

    Thansk Cmeese! Makes sense why I didn't quite understand the Playoffs? Or Pick?? post lol. But yeah completely forgot we had traded that pick away. I still think that those scenarios would work even with a first rounder in 2015.

     

    And yeah I see Tyreke has been playing well as of late, but enough to earn him a long term contract for the big bucks? I'm just not sure the Kings are full-board with him. Bleacher report covered it well enough: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1492329-5-tyreke-evans-trades-the-sacramento-kings-should-be-pitching#/articles/1492329-5-tyreke-evans-trades-the-sacramento-kings-should-be-pitching . And I'm definitely not the kind of guy that goes all in for what bleacher says lol. But I do agree with this one

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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 01/23/2013 9:06 PM

    Pacers get- Gerald Wallace, JJ Hickson, Mirza Teletovic

    Nets get- Danny Granger, Joel Freeland, Orlando Johnson, Blazers second round pick

    Blazers get- Ian Mahinmi, Marshon Brooks, Pacers first round pick

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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 01/23/2013 9:10 PM

    Give a the blazers a quality sixth man and a nice center to pair with lamarcus

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/23/2013 9:37 PM

    I think Hickson vetos any trade- Would love to grab those assets tho

    Only trade I would do involving our core (starting 5) would have to be for a Great Player

    Wes and Freeland for Danny Granger haha 


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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 01/23/2013 9:59 PM

    No way I would trade Wes for Granger uh-uh.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 01/23/2013 10:56 PM

    granger=injury prone so no thx
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 01/23/2013 11:02 PM

    i would love tyreke coming off the bench
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  1. Simpson
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    Posted 01/24/2013 12:19 AM

    No on Tyreke (he's a headcase u don't want) & Granger (I actually like the guy but he's 29 & injury prone, only so-so on D, & if u expect him to come off the bench... he won't have that so... whose place does he take in the starting 5?).

     

    @knorton181, I know u said this post wasn't about trying to get us to get on the ol' trade machine but... I posed this lil' scenario on some1's (If any1 wants to know who's, just ask ;) blog but wanted 2 throw this 1 out there here 2 c what u guys thought if u haven't seen it already ;)

     

    The Cavs & Mem recently made some moves (Mem got themselves under the cap & Cavs got a 5 & then some to replace Varejao); Cavs r WAY under the cap (b4 trade: $10,208,642; after a few days, ESPN's trade machine should show what they're @ after) & in the deal, they also got (there's more to the deal but this is all that should concern us ;) SG Wayne Ellington (he's age 25 & is a $2,083,042 expiring contract); we should make a deal to get him AND Mosgov from Den. (4 team deal: Por gets Ellington & Mosgov, Cavs gets S. Hawes & Corey Brewer, Den takes back no1 & now under the cap, & Phi gets JJ; this deal IS successful on ESPN's trade machine).

     

    Now… why would the other 3 teams do this deal?
    Cavs would do this because they’ve already got D. Gibson, Dion Waiters, AND sF C.J. miles ahead of the new guy Ellington (he’s of good character & a good SCORING player getting better that needs PT!) coming in +, he’s an expiring contract for $2,083,042 (he’s worth more than this; therefore, u he will ask for more when the season’s over & the Cavs won’t pay so they should just trade him now AND build a good relationship w/ us as a future trade partner). Also, Cavs get Brewer in the deal & he’s an expiring that they could chose to keep (pay him more $ in offseaon & a long-term contract) or cut (taking Brewer gives Cavs options to evaluate/upgrade w/ regards to bang 4 the $).

     

    Den would do this because they’re $5,926,222 over the cap, they shed Mosgov (they want to get rid of him because they don’t play him & he’s an expiring & will want more $ & long-term contract) & Brewer (he still plays even w/ W. Chandler back BUT Chandler’s getting healthier & will soon start again; Den should give him up in a heartbeat if it can help them avoid paying what they owe in luxury tax; they’d cut ~$6million to save themselves from $6,244,584; ALSO, Brewer is yet another expiring contract & will want more PT,$, & long-term contract) & now they r under & don’t have to pay the luxury tax they were to owe.

     

    Phi would do the deal because they get & could use/want JJ! Bynum is almost back so Spencer Hawes gets marginalized, so why not get something (aka exactly what u want v. just a reserve) for him? I think it’s easy 2 c that Bynum & JJ would play well 2gether; he’d actually fit & benefit Phi! Phi wants 2 b a playoff team, currently they r 4 games back of Bos for the 8th spot; JJ & the Bynum’s return would get them into @ least the 8th. I know JJ has veto pwr but I think if the pt. were driven home to him about how Phi is a good place to b (for endorsement deals, contract, etc.), I think he'd b on board w/ this.

     

    Whatcha guys think?

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/24/2013 7:16 AM

    big mess... lol

    altough it makes sense, its a very complicated move... 4 teams involved...

     Elligton would be a good 6th man, but mozgov, at best a backup C...oh wait we would give our starting C in the deal, so we dont have a starting C... so Mozgov would t be good enough to make de whole thing work for us...

    I think we should make it simple...

    1st waive someone, and get J. Pargo(or other nice PG)

     And if possible make a move to get 1 or 2 good bench players (using our bench players, rookies (Freeland or Claver) or expiring contracts, that could be interesting to some teams)

  1. Simpson
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    Posted 01/24/2013 10:12 AM

    @ Nuno, hahaha!  "Big mess..." I know it's quite busy ;p  Oh, I 4got to say that I like getting Pargo :)  Actually... getting Mosgov is THE perfect move IMO because his skills r good enough; we DON'T want a 5 that's too good (I believe Meyers is our 5 of the future & he won't get run unless we can do a starting 5 thing by committee ;), too $ (bang 4 the buck & don't wanna commit too much coin to a guy if he doesn't work out), or long-term (we want the choice if they don't work out this season).
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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/24/2013 10:26 AM

    i understand what you´re saying... i just really know how good his Mozgov, but he isnt playing...

    So i will quote somethin i posted before...

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    What if we try some trade with cleveland? since they are changing their team, one or two more moves would hurt...

    There are some that we could really use.... J. Pargo(PG), CJ Miles(SG/SF) and D. Gibson(SG), 1 or 2 of these would be a big upgrade to the team bench.

    if we take Leonard out of the negotiation cause they already a young C needing time to develop, any other bench player we coud trade for 1 or more of those cleveland players i mentioned, would be a very good deal, and in case they dont fit here, there is no big problem, since they are on short contracts (Pargo and Gibson 1 year, and Miles 2 years)

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/24/2013 7:04 PM

    Posted By Simpson on 01/24/2013 12:19 AM

    No on Tyreke (he's a headcase u don't want) & Granger (I actually like the guy but he's 29 & injury prone, only so-so on D, & if u expect him to come off the bench... he won't have that so... whose place does he take in the starting 5?).

     

    @knorton181, I know u said this post wasn't about trying to get us to get on the ol' trade machine but... I posed this lil' scenario on some1's (If any1 wants to know who's, just ask ;) blog but wanted 2 throw this 1 out there here 2 c what u guys thought if u haven't seen it already ;)

     

    The Cavs & Mem recently made some moves (Mem got themselves under the cap & Cavs got a 5 & then some to replace Varejao); Cavs r WAY under the cap (b4 trade: $10,208,642; after a few days, ESPN's trade machine should show what they're @ after) & in the deal, they also got (there's more to the deal but this is all that should concern us ;) SG Wayne Ellington (he's age 25 & is a $2,083,042 expiring contract); we should make a deal to get him AND Mosgov from Den. (4 team deal: Por gets Ellington & Mosgov, Cavs gets S. Hawes & Corey Brewer, Den takes back no1 & now under the cap, & Phi gets JJ; this deal IS successful on ESPN's trade machine).

     

    Now… why would the other 3 teams do this deal?
    Cavs would do this because they’ve already got D. Gibson, Dion Waiters, AND sF C.J. miles ahead of the new guy Ellington (he’s of good character & a good SCORING player getting better that needs PT!) coming in +, he’s an expiring contract for $2,083,042 (he’s worth more than this; therefore, u he will ask for more when the season’s over & the Cavs won’t pay so they should just trade him now AND build a good relationship w/ us as a future trade partner). Also, Cavs get Brewer in the deal & he’s an expiring that they could chose to keep (pay him more $ in offseaon & a long-term contract) or cut (taking Brewer gives Cavs options to evaluate/upgrade w/ regards to bang 4 the $).

     

    Den would do this because they’re $5,926,222 over the cap, they shed Mosgov (they want to get rid of him because they don’t play him & he’s an expiring & will want more $ & long-term contract) & Brewer (he still plays even w/ W. Chandler back BUT Chandler’s getting healthier & will soon start again; Den should give him up in a heartbeat if it can help them avoid paying what they owe in luxury tax; they’d cut ~$6million to save themselves from $6,244,584; ALSO, Brewer is yet another expiring contract & will want more PT,$, & long-term contract) & now they r under & don’t have to pay the luxury tax they were to owe.

     

    Phi would do the deal because they get & could use/want JJ! Bynum is almost back so Spencer Hawes gets marginalized, so why not get something (aka exactly what u want v. just a reserve) for him? I think it’s easy 2 c that Bynum & JJ would play well 2gether; he’d actually fit & benefit Phi! Phi wants 2 b a playoff team, currently they r 4 games back of Bos for the 8th spot; JJ & the Bynum’s return would get them into @ least the 8th. I know JJ has veto pwr but I think if the pt. were driven home to him about how Phi is a good place to b (for endorsement deals, contract, etc.), I think he'd b on board w/ this.

     

    Whatcha guys think?

    What makes you claim that Evans is a head case. I have not seen anything that would come close to suggesting that. He has a couple things to knock, one he still hasn't developed a consistent jumper which has hurt his dribble penetration and he has not always been the most willing defender. Still the kid is young and has immense talent, not wanting him for some unwarranted head case label is wrong. 


    Danny Granger is hardly what I would refer to as injury prone before this season the man has played in over 92% of his teams games that is an average of 75.5 games a year. Missing less than 7 games a year hardly seems like it would warrant the term injury prone. Additionally, Granger is one of the better defensive small forwards in the game if anything it is his willingness to take contested threes and other low percentage shots at times that we should be most concerned with. 


    Next I think you have some confusion about the salary cap and the luxury tax. Denver is over the cap but they are still well beneath the tax threshold, staying over the cap is actually more beneficial for them than getting under because teams over the cap get a MLE worth around 5 million a year while teams under the cap get what is known as a room exception worth around 2.5 million. I could see Denver maybe making some deals this summer if the cap does not increase because they would be right up to if not over the tax line next season when Lawson's extension and pay raise kicks in. However, for Brewer and Mozgov they would probably be willing to move them for a first round pick.

    The move doesn't make as much sense for Philly. JJ is an upgrade over Hawes but he is a free agent this summer and they would lose his bird rights by acquiring him in a trade meaning he would likely not be resigned as a free agent. By keeping Hawes in town the 76ers at least have some front court security in case they cannot convince Bynum to stay long term. Furthermore, I think JJ and Bynum would not mesh well together both players need the ball on the low post to be successful this would clog up the lanes and really hurt the penetration of someone like Holliday and Turner. A combo of T. Young and Bynum would be the best group for the 76ers and they already have those players. 

    The Cavs have no roster room after taking on all the salaries from Memphis so they would need to deal a second player to take 2 on. With Speights now on board the team got the front court depth back that they needed after losing Varejo for the season. Hawes is also under contract next year and I am not sure the team would want gamble that Speights won't accept his player option, which would leave them with one too many front court players. 

    Lastly, while Ellington might be a decent addition to the bench he is a not a significant upgrade and his arrival would limit the growth of Barton, which is a bad thing. Mozgov is not a better player than JJ and he is a free agent meaning we might lose him this summer. If the team is going to trade JJ it needs to be for a draft pick or a long term solution somewhere. So in the mean time the team is downgraded and we have no long term security from the players we acquired. Also which team was the one in your scenario that would be giving Denver the first round pick?

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  1. Simpson
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    Posted 01/24/2013 7:31 PM

    @cmeese47, click on this video & then u can TRY to tell me he's NOT a headcase:  video

     

    The rest, I'll address 2morrow when I get some time ;)

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/24/2013 7:41 PM

    That was foolish more than him being a headcase. But it is certainly not unheard for people to drive fast on the highways in California. The stuff Kobe has to deal with on the highways while driving his Lambo would make scare the crap out of a lot of people. Speeding at over 100 is foolish but not something I would call him a head case for.

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  1. freddead
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    Posted 01/24/2013 8:00 PM

    i think tyreke would be fine on the is team were very young but the leadership is strong and i dont see tyreke being that big of a problem once hes away from all the other headcases in sac i just see what tyreke has to offer and he'd be perfect coming off the bench he can play the point and the 2 guard i think he might even be able to play SF
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/24/2013 8:21 PM

    Exactly my point

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  1. KevinMontoy
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    Posted 01/25/2013 11:57 AM

    Jeremy Pargo will be a great bench player, we can make him play some SG with Price at the PG for a small line up, or put Pargo at PG and Barton at the SG,i like Barton,i think Barton and Claver is our future too,not just Lillard and Meyers,adding some player like Pargo will not hurt his playing times..

    and i don't like freeland,babbitt,and nolan, i think we should really trade them for the best trade scenario, maybe try to get some player who can play at both PF,C position (like Jason Smith or Josh McRoberts) to come off the bench with Meyers,but i still want to see Meyer as our primary option coming off the bench..

    for Sasha i like him, he's a veteran shooter and defender,but if putting him in the trade package can help us more for getting the player we want,why not..? if Sasha go,we can sign another player like Sam Young,he's a free agent too right?

    so maybe the team i would love to see this season is:

    • PG: Lillard/Pargo/Price
    • SG: Matthews/Barton
    • SF: Batum/*Sasha or Sam Young/Claver
    • PF: LA/*Jason Smith or Josh Mcroberts/Jeffries
    • C: JJ/Meyers

     

    sorry just my imagination

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/25/2013 12:34 PM

    Mosgov,Pekovic or Pachulia are the centers we should target. As well as Monroe out of Detroit. Id much rather see  Thadeus young backing up Batum. Or Alonzo Gee. Barton is third string at best at this point. Shooting guards are a little easier to find. JJ Reddick would be perfect. JJ Hickson has done a great job , but we need a real pivot. Least we forget, we also acquired two Greek assets from NY. Im anxious to see what they can do as well.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/25/2013 1:39 PM

    Common why would Detroit consider giving up their best player in Monroe? Thadeus has a very large contract to be a back up for us at around 9 million per. Plus he would probably cost significantly in trade value as well. Gee is cheaper but I don't see Cleveland active to trade him, however, he is someone worth adding if cost is low enough. Reddick is an unrestricted free agent this summer so he could be hand just not sure the cost. Pekovic should be targeted but likely won't leave Minnesota since he is a restricted FA. Mozgov and Pachulia are both options I would be more comfortable with Pachulia who has proven to be an effective starter in the NBA whereas Mozgov has played under 15 minutes per game which is not enough sample size for me.


    We will have some options but I think everything pivots on JJ.

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  1. Simpson
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    Posted 01/25/2013 2:25 PM

    @ cmeese47, when some1’s a high-profile individual (aka they SHOULD know better for a variety of reasons) drives quite a distance @ 100 +mph & then says, “I didn't know how fast I was going. I didn't know this or that (quote is from here),” there’s something wrong with them &/or they’re a liar; would a prudent individual say something like this after he was CLEARLY caught doing what he did?  Hmmmm…  Regardless if u think this guy’s just “foolish” or whatever u & I agree or disagree to “label” him, he’s not the best kind of character to have our GOOD guys.  As for Kobe, who said anything about Kobe?  Who cares?  Whatever u have 2 say about him… I’ll probably agree w/ u on.

    Granger showing signs of being injury prone:  he “…missed over 30 games from 2008-10, and played hurt in other seasons (quote is from: here),” & he hasn’t played a game this season; this season he’s missed 43 games (AND COUNTING)  which, to correct u, means that he’s ACTUALLY averaged MISSED games of ~9.13/yr.!).  NOTICE the years he’s actually missed games because of injury r coming more & more into the present (& actually r)?

    Granger’s defense:

    “The Pacers currently find themselves at 22-14 without Granger, which is similar to the record they had last season through 36 games. Last season with Granger playing 62 games, he registered a great offensive efficiency of 111, but also a mediocre defensive efficiency of 104, which comes out to be a net point differential of 7.

    Granger's net efficiency rating last season isn't far off with that of Paul George and David West, the two, arguably, best players on the team right now—George has an offensive rating of 102, and a defensive rating of 96, while West is at 106 and 98. Both of their respective net ratings (6 and 8) are similar to Grangers. If anything, Granger's offensive production helps the Pacers just as much as his defense hurts them. 

    If you compare Granger's stats last season with some of the stats of the key players this season, there isn't one stat that stands out among everyone else that leads to greater team success (quote is from: here).”

    Lastly, I never claimed 2 be an expert on trade stuff, I stated above that I just put this in the ESPN trade machine & then said some stuff off the top of my head; any #’s or facts were right there in front of me on the website.  I didn’t consider MLE’s or whatever; the trade worked & I just asked what ppl thought; I didn’t say this IS the answer & any1 else who has an idea is automatically wrong.  IF Den would move Mosgov/Brewer for a 1st rounder, sounds good; find a team to play ball w/ us to help in a 3-team trade & so they could give their 1st rounder (since this is suppose to b a weak class) to Den for 1 or more of our bench guys/$.

    Your right about Hickson IF they try to play the way u r talking about; my thought was that because Bynum IS a scoring 5, JJ would JUST stick to being a rebound/hustle guy & score less & only get his on put backs.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/25/2013 3:02 PM

    I was not trying to slight your trade but more or less tried to break it down. Since some of the justifications for trade mostly cap related I felt were faulty I tried to help clear them up. I am still confused on who would be trading their first rounder in your suggestion because that would completely skew the trade. 


    Granger has been relied on to be the primary scorer for Indiana which has lowered his defensive efficiency he is a very capable defender most nights and on a team like Portland where he would not have to score 20 plus a night his defensive numbers would improve. Whether or not he is injury prone does not matter considering how much he is making. Portland cannot put him on the bench nor can they do that to Batum, which would leave Matthews as the odd man out. Since Wesley is better getting his offense on kick out threes he works better as a starter offensively. Those issues to me are more pressing than a few missed games and that is why I support your idea of not getting Granger even though I like his game.


    Keep up the good work but just remember 4 way trades are easy to pull of on ESPN but quite complicated in the NBA. 

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/25/2013 6:36 PM

    Kyle Lowry, who has quickly worn out his welcome in Toronto, could be an option for the Mavs or Hawks, who are both in need of point-guard help. With only $1 million guaranteed next season, Lowry would be a short-term fix without clogging up future cap space. CBSSports.com

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/25/2013 6:49 PM

    Hey cmeese, BDawg or Blazer Fanatic, would a trade for Lowry make sense ? We could potentially give up Nolan and Price for him. Id love to have Lowry backing up Lillard. As i am not an officianado on cap space, i dont know if it would work. Definitely would be an upgrade on what we currently have. Wishlist: Terrence Ross and Lowry in a package.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/25/2013 7:56 PM

    I don't see why it wouldn't his cap figure is not that high and he is a good player plus he only has 1 million guaranteed next year cheap opt out. I think you need to add a first round pick to that package common considering they gave up a guaranteed lottery pick to get him.

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  1. freddead
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    Posted 01/25/2013 9:04 PM

    still would love tyreke coming off the bench just sayin dont know what the price for him would be though i just see a whole lot of upside
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  1. BLASER
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    Posts: 757

    Posted 01/26/2013 11:55 AM

    Posted By freddead on 01/24/2013 8:00 PM
    i think tyreke would be fine on the is team were very young but the leadership is strong and i dont see tyreke being that big of a problem once hes away from all the other headcases in sac i just see what tyreke has to offer and he'd be perfect coming off the bench he can play the point and the 2 guard i think he might even be able to play SF

    I think tyreke would excel @ the 6th man spot 

    I am a fan of defensive man beasts
  1. cmeese47
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    Posts: 2735

    Posted 01/26/2013 12:01 PM

    You guys are starting to sound like me but I love the flexibility and aggression, Evans would be a perfect fit. Cost could be an issue but I think he is worth it.
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/26/2013 12:31 PM

    Toney Douglas is not really of a 6man caliber players but I feel he can help us a lot

    Patrick Peverley looks to have taken Douglas spot in the rotation. I think we can trade Babbit for Toney Douglas then we would have a back up PG

    Aaron Brooks im sure is on the block, hes barely been getting minuets. Freddette and Tomas took his spot, we should really bring him back to the Northwest!! SAC is going to make some changes, it would not take much to obtain Brooks. I feel he would be awesome for us.

    I wish 76ers would decide to tank so we can take Nick Young or some other players that got hahah

    Mozgov can be traded for, Dejuan BlairAl Faroug Aminu is not much of a scorer but that guys is athletic, hustles, and can rebound with the best of them, Shannon Brown- These some guys we can trade easily for with our second round picks, expiring contracts

    I am a fan of This Quote "One Love. One Heart. One Human race."
  1. knorton181
    knorton181
    Posts: 264

    Posted 01/28/2013 8:34 AM

    The only thing with tyreke is if he can handle being a 6th man maturely,I'm not saying he won't, but that's a true test of any player, especially one who was the go-to guy in Sac. What he needs to understand is that it has nothing to do with him being worse as a player, but his abilities speicifically would contribute more coming off of the bench and bringing our second and third lineups some offensive rythym.

    To be honest guys and girls, anything is an upgrade at this point.
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  1. sedare
    sedare
    Posts: 53

    Posted 01/29/2013 10:34 PM

    Iverson.


    Go. :)

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  1. BDawg
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    Posts: 1593

    Posted 01/29/2013 11:09 PM

    Distractive personality. From an X and 0 standpoint however, not a bad fit. 10 day contract?
    I am a fan of players that play with PASSION and PRIDE
  1. Nuno
    Nuno
    Posts: 212

    Posted 01/30/2013 9:53 AM

    i would give it a try...

    but our roster is full...

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/30/2013 10:05 AM

    So cut Nolan Smith or trade someone off for draft picks or send someone to the d league really easy to open up roster space.

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  1. Nuno
    Nuno
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    Posted 01/30/2013 10:15 AM

    eaasy to say...

    but dont see management moving...  thats a fact

  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/30/2013 10:43 AM

    I think the off season free agent crop is more valuable than what teams are going to offer before the deadline for guys on our bench who have NO trade value. The more I think about it the less likely I see Portland making a move before then and I'm starting to agree with why. I want Redick here as our 6 man but we're not getting that caliber of a player for Luke Babbit or Nolan Smith.
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  1. Nuno
    Nuno
    Posts: 212

    Posted 01/30/2013 11:11 AM

    Reddick is playing very good and as many teams interested in him...

    but  if we want to keep the flexibility for next season we can go in other ways, there are some interesting players in the DLeague, or free agents we could try, like Jeremy Pargo, Kenyon Martin and even Iverson, that wants to come back to NBA...

    And other players with expiring contract that would be easier to get... like a guard from Chicago, since Rose is returning and they have Hinrich, Hamilton, Robinson, Belinelli and Butler.... Henderson from Charlotte, Alan Anderson from Toronto, Gibson and Elligton from Cleveland...

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/30/2013 2:46 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 01/25/2013 6:49 PM
    Hey cmeese, BDawg or Blazer Fanatic, would a trade for Lowry make sense ? We could potentially give up Nolan and Price for him. Id love to have Lowry backing up Lillard. As i am not an officianado on cap space, i dont know if it would work. Definitely would be an upgrade on what we currently have. Wishlist: Terrence Ross and Lowry in a package.


    Yes from a tallent perspecive, no from a chemistry stand point.  Blazers were leading the Western Conference in 2001 - then they brought in Rod Strickland.  Portland lost 17 of their remaining 25 games and lost in the first round of the play-offs.  Chemistry matters.  Lowery would not be a long term solution, and so I would not really be for bring him at this point based on the locker room chemistry.
  1. riverman
    riverman
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    Posted 01/30/2013 8:34 PM

    Lowry doesn't want to be a backup nor will he need to. Boston will probably sign him soon. Toronto and Boston are looking for a 3rd team to trade before the deadline. We don't need to make Lillard a backup at this point so why spend big money to have a back up pt guard? Eric Maynor would be a better choice in my opinion. Patty Mills would be perfect as well. I also think Ronnie Price is improving and fitting in better as the season progresses. Get a pt guard better than Nolan Smith for Nolan's price and you've upgraded the position. Probably could find one even cheaper.
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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/31/2013 9:54 AM

    After the Rudy Gay´s trade two names popped right up on my mind...

    What about Will Bynum? I think he would be a very good backup for Lillard

    Expiring contract, experienced and with Stuckey, Knight and Calderon able to play PG in Detroit?

     And Alan Anderson? Would be a good 6th man, to backup both Mathews or Batum.

    Expiring contract, experienced, good shooter and with the arrival of R. Gay, and Fields, Kleiza and others...

     

    If i was the management this wouls be 2 players i would target to improve or bench, they arent hard to get almost for sure, cause in both cases their teams have much options to play their positions

    And we would keep the cap flexibility for next season. and most important of all, give a big help to our starters.

  1. knorton181
    knorton181
    Posts: 264

    Posted 01/31/2013 1:47 PM

    Posted By riverman on 01/30/2013 8:34 PM
    Lowry doesn't want to be a backup nor will he need to. Boston will probably sign him soon. Toronto and Boston are looking for a 3rd team to trade before the deadline. We don't need to make Lillard a backup at this point so why spend big money to have a back up pt guard? Eric Maynor would be a better choice in my opinion. Patty Mills would be perfect as well. I also think Ronnie Price is improving and fitting in better as the season progresses. Get a pt guard better than Nolan Smith for Nolan's price and you've upgraded the position. Probably could find one even cheaper.


    I thought I was the only one who thought Ronnie Price is a good piece to have on our bench. . Well it's good to know you're with me. At the same time, we still for sure need an upgrade to Nolan. Ronnie's great defensively, and can handle his own on offense. But at times there might be situational games where we might really want a backup like Toney Douglas or others who can come in and score effectively, and still run the team well enough. I don't want a Lou Williams or even Lowry (Lowry for more important reasons though such as his lack of everything off the court) because we have Lillard, we really don't need much more than a solid backup and a defensive/mature presence.

     

    Eric Maynor would be a great option, but I have a feeling he might stay where he is. I just can't see him coming here, though I would love it.

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  1. knorton181
    knorton181
    Posts: 264

    Posted 01/31/2013 1:55 PM

    Posted By Nuno on 01/31/2013 9:54 AM

    After the Rudy Gay´s trade two names popped right up on my mind...

    What about Will Bynum? I think he would be a very good backup for Lillard

    Expiring contract, experienced and with Stuckey, Knight and Calderon able to play PG in Detroit?

     And Alan Anderson? Would be a good 6th man, to backup both Mathews or Batum.

    Expiring contract, experienced, good shooter and with the arrival of R. Gay, and Fields, Kleiza and others...

     

    If i was the management this wouls be 2 players i would target to improve or bench, they arent hard to get almost for sure, cause in both cases their teams have much options to play their positions

    And we would keep the cap flexibility for next season. and most important of all, give a big help to our starters.

    I have heard that Detroit was thinking of trading Stuckey, I think they might try and keep Will Bynum. He's definitely an option though if it is available.

     

    Alan Anderson works as well, especially since Toronto is currently attempting to trade Lowry to Boston but they need a 3rd team in the trade. And it would definitely make sense since you are right, they have a lot of SG/SF positioned players. I wouldn't necessarily mark this as the first option to go to, but I think if some other potential sixth man scenarios don't work out, this one is a great one.

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/31/2013 1:59 PM

    Posted By Siccolo on 01/26/2013 12:31 PM

     

    Aaron Brooks im sure is on the block, hes barely been getting minuets. Freddette and Tomas took his spot, we should really bring him back to the Northwest!! SAC is going to make some changes, it would not take much to obtain Brooks. I feel he would be awesome for us.



    This is a good one, not necessarily the lonesome 6th man. But a great assett. And him coming from the NW would be really cool. Although if the Kings move to Seattle, he might really enjoy being right in his home town. Then again, I'm not sure he's happy either way if he isn't being played much (on a bad team nonetheless).
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  1. ryandx77
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    Posts: 8

    Posted 02/06/2013 4:33 PM

    Thee's a couple of D-League guys I think would offer more than our current bench - Chris Douglas Roberts, and Andrew Goudelock.

    CDR, I'm not sure why he isn't on a team. The Mavs brought him a while ago but it didn't work out. He's a good solid player though, who defends and can score.

    Goudelock was impressive in limited opportunities with the Lakers last season. Kobe called him fearless in his attacking, which is a quality I think we could use in the periods where Lillard is off the court. Defense may be an issue though.

  1. sug81
    sug81
    Posts: 254

    Posted 02/06/2013 11:43 PM

    YES! CDR would be great. But not so hot on goudy we need someone who can bully pointguards when lillard comes out, bledsoe would be perfect but that would never happen.

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  1. Nuno
    Nuno
    Posts: 212

    Posted 02/07/2013 5:28 AM

    with this bench we arent going anywhere...

    either we get some good bench players, or we need to forget playoffs this season...

  1. cmeese47
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    Posts: 2735

    Posted 02/07/2013 3:56 PM

    Well lets start forgetting the playoffs then cause Olshey is as stubborn as a mule.

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