Playoffs? or Pick?
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 01/17/2013 4:55 PM

    Would you rather have a lottery pick this year or make the playoffs? Charlotte owns the rights to our pick IF it is not in the top 12. I've been looking closely at this draft as I did last year, and ive noticed how Bigman heavy this draft is, which is arguably the position we need most. So is making the playoffs worth losing the lottery pick?
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/17/2013 5:51 PM

    I think Olshey needs to make a choice, either do nothing an force Stotts to limit the starters to 35-36 min and play the bench, or make a trade and get the bench some help.  The way things are going, I see Portland just missing out on the Playoffs AND losing their 1st round pick. 
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/17/2013 8:26 PM

    If your rebuilding then you need to go all in and trade someone like LA because he will not stay after his contract unless we are ready to contend so either blow it up get some more lottery picks and hope you get the right picks. Otherwise go for it and try to give Charlotte the worst possible pick.

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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 01/17/2013 8:28 PM

    You don't throw away pride and honor for a lousy draft pick. Win need wins. We want PLAYOFFS!
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/17/2013 9:07 PM

    Tanking has its merits but the draft is really not great enough for it to make a big difference.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/18/2013 5:16 AM


    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 01/17/2013 5:51 PM
    The way things are going, I see Portland just missing out on the Playoffs AND losing their 1st round pick.


    Absolute worst case scenario, the thought of which is as hard on my stomach as reading LA trade talk in many of cmeese's posts are on yours. Let's hope the rudder of this Blazer boat is better than that. What if, however...the pick in question was traded before the deadline having possible lottery value (bringing a return coinciding with said perceived value), after which a significant playoff push was made?
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/18/2013 7:08 AM

    "the thought of which is as hard on my stomach as reading LA trade talk in many of cmeese's posts are on yours"

    Bdawg:  I don't quite understand the "are on  yours" part.

     

    I see it happening that way, not that I want it to.  My suggestion would be to save the risk of injury and spare the starters the fatigue playing 40 minutes night in and night out on back to backs, if the Blazers are not going to make the play offs.  And I do not see them making the playoffs with the bench we have.  I hope I'm wrong, but the Blazer have the most difficult schedule remaining and are currently 9th in the west.  If Portland finishes 9th they miss the playoff and likely their pick.  So why not spread the minutes more and not run the starters into the ground.  LA's wrist has been jack for a while now.  And he had to tape it.  My concern have far more to do with injury, and less to do with trying to maintain a lottery pick.  I want the Blazers to win, but I'm just being realistic about their past peformance, current trend, and remaining schedule.  They are a fringe playoff team, and will continue to pound their starters into the training table by seasons end if they don't get some bench help STAT.

     

    I wouldn't call that tanking, rather, being responsible.  The Blazers will likely lose more games as a consequnce if they are not playing their starters 40 minutes every night, and ensue the pick as a bonus.  I'm not saying the pick is THAT valuable, but it's better than no pick, and even more important, helps ensure the Blazer players stay healthy.  Tired players make tired mistakes.  We saw that with the nearly 40 turnovers the past 2 games.

     

    Idealy, I'd prefer Olshey make a move or two for a bench that can at least hold a lead against teams.  So, Portland can both make the playoffs AND reduce the burdon on the starters.  A move for Barbosa would instantly make him the best bench player on the team for a veteran's minimum contract. 

  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/18/2013 9:17 AM

    Call me old school but in my sports infatuated world, tanking is never an option. Sends the wrong signal to the rookies and guys who put there heart out on the court. I also think tanking is a disrespectful way to honor your fanbase. It's different if you have little or no fan base but Portland has a great one. We need bench help and I think Olshey is in the process of letting Stotts weed out the bench players and try to develop the few keepers we have coming off the bench. I'm curious to see if he'll do anything before the deadline but unsure if he will. This year is supposed to be a terrible draft class so I don't see great advantage to moving up in the draft. We need vets on the bench.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 01/18/2013 9:27 AM

    The Playoffs any day over the hope of some draft pick getting us into the playoffs, but it's always a catch 22 in this business. I just want the blazers to make it into the playoffs because everybody said this team wouldn't and I think they can if we had one bench player who could bring a consistent 10 - 15 points, seriously we are losing these games by 4 to 6 points, we need a bench, we should get one!
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 01/18/2013 9:33 AM

    Overextending the team to get blown out in the 1st round (which is exactly what would happen) would be foolish.  I think the likely scenario is Hickson stays.  I have little faith that we make any big moves in FA.  The draft pick, while not ideal, may be our best chance to "move the needle".  The team has exceeded all expectations so I think a little patience is in order here.    

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/18/2013 9:53 AM

    Posted By riverman on 01/18/2013 9:17 AM
    Call me old school but in my sports infatuated world, tanking is never an option. Sends the wrong signal to the rookies and guys who put there heart out on the court. I also think tanking is a disrespectful way to honor your fanbase. It's different if you have little or no fan base but Portland has a great one. We need bench help and I think Olshey is in the process of letting Stotts weed out the bench players and try to develop the few keepers we have coming off the bench. I'm curious to see if he'll do anything before the deadline but unsure if he will. This year is supposed to be a terrible draft class so I don't see great advantage to moving up in the draft. We need vets on the bench.

    How is the bench developing when the starters play 40 minutes?  I guess that's what my concern is.  And I wouldn't call my suggestion tanking.  I'd say it was giving the bench an opportunity to fail or succeed and weed them out as you put it, or assess as I would call it.  I don't see how picking up a vet minimum contract hurts us this season.  (i.e. Barbosa)
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/18/2013 9:59 AM

    Posted By kenny c. on 01/18/2013 9:27 AM
    The Playoffs any day over the hope of some draft pick getting us into the playoffs, but it's always a catch 22 in this business. I just want the blazers to make it into the playoffs because everybody said this team wouldn't and I think they can if we had one bench player who could bring a consistent 10 - 15 points, seriously we are losing these games by 4 to 6 points, we need a bench, we should get one!


    This is what I most favor.  We don't have a guy that comes off the bench and provides 20 minutes a game.  That only ever happens when a starter is injured.  Starters take plays off when they play that many minutes.  They end the game exhausted and entirely spent, but they have to pick and choose sometimes and that's weak.  They should be afforded enough time on the bench to recover so they can play all out every play.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/18/2013 10:11 AM

    Barbosa has been on my wish list since last summer. I think a big part of the weeding process or assesment is already over. Yeah, our starters are playing too many minutes because they want to win and the bench is not doing that. It's a tough call with some bench players who really don't have much NBA experience but have potential. I still like Freeland and Claver and think they could benefit from more court time
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/18/2013 3:16 PM

    Trade the pick from Charlotte to a losing team for one of their assets. Toronto for instance. Or Detroit.
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  1. sedare
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    Posted 01/18/2013 4:56 PM

    Barbosa is bad with TOs isnt he? I remembered him as sloppy. and he KILLED my fantasy league (with TOs) 2 yrs ago.


    It would be an upgrade as a 6th off the bench for sure tho. But I think I will say, once we get Meyers back that should enable us to cut down LA/JJ a little more then just using Freeland to offset the other 2 rest periods on alternation.(i.e. - LA/Free, JJ sits and JJ/Free, LA sits) At least Freeland is active... just afraid he is looking for his shot a bit to much around 18ft. I mean, is he really a jumpshooting big? Hes 6'11 right? or 6'10?


    Ive missed to many games in the last 2 weeks to understand the current rotation. So I wont help to much other then that.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/18/2013 6:30 PM

    Ive seen Freeland take it to the rack a few times with what has become a patented back to the basket spin move. He actually surprised me with how quick he makes that move. His jumper seems to have betrayed him as of late. But you're right sedare, we need to give our bigs a break. Jeffries is ok at taking an occassional charge, " ring the bell " but he is too slow to be an offensive threat. The only thing thats truly going to help us is acquiring a decent Big man. Then JJ can move to a back-up PF, and Leonard can have a real mentor. I bet Pryzbilla wishes he was still here. Hell id take Dalembert and Pryzbilla if we had room on our roster.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/18/2013 7:12 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 01/18/2013 3:16 PM
    Trade the pick from Charlotte to a losing team for one of their assets. Toronto for instance. Or Detroit.

    What pick would that be we owe Charlotte a pick not the other way around so we really cannot do that. 

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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 01/19/2013 4:34 PM

    Can we not absolutely tank this season? I got a bet with a co-worker that the Blazers would make the playoffs and the Jazz (I live in Salt Lake right now) will not. We might be on a losing streak but most of the teams we have lost to are quality western conference teams. Make a trade for a low end bench player who can at least score more then 6 points a game and hope for the best. I bet Jimmer would come at a very low cost...and yes I know his defense is crap. Just throwing out ideas.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/19/2013 9:36 PM

    I'd bet that you're going to lose your bet schwabbii

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  1. KevinMontoy
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    Posted 01/20/2013 10:38 AM

    Posted By commontongue on 01/18/2013 6:30 PM
    The only thing thats truly going to help us is acquiring a decent Big man. Then JJ can move to a back-up PF, and Leonard can have a real mentor. I bet Pryzbilla wishes he was still here. Hell id take Dalembert and Pryzbilla if we had room on our roster.

    Agree!! whether JJ is going to move to back up PF or still be our starting C, i think we should find someone who can really be a real mentor for Meyers Leonard and contribute to the game defensively, and yes i wish Pryzbilla is still on our roster..

    playoffs or pick..?? i say Trailblazers for the playoffs!! what else will be the best experience besides playoffs atmosphere, never say no for the playoffs..

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/20/2013 11:17 AM

    Posted By riverman on 01/18/2013 9:17 AM
    Call me old school but in my sports infatuated world, tanking is never an option. Sends the wrong signal to the rookies and guys who put there heart out on the court. I also think tanking is a disrespectful way to honor your fanbase. It's different if you have little or no fan base but Portland has a great one. We need bench help and I think Olshey is in the process of letting Stotts weed out the bench players and try to develop the few keepers we have coming off the bench. I'm curious to see if he'll do anything before the deadline but unsure if he will. This year is supposed to be a terrible draft class so I don't see great advantage to moving up in the draft. We need vets on the bench.


    I absolutely agree with this, and always have. I think tanking is the dumbest thing. Sports isn't schematics

     

    Agreed that this isn't a great draft class. But it also sends the wrong signal to free agents, who ninety percent of the time want to win. That's the point in athletics, that's what make's them athletes. This is why New Orlean's tanked, got a high draft pick, but still didn't attract anybody big and I doubt they will for a while. It's just a big risk, right now, if we slip out of the 8 seed, you still are making a point that in a rebuilding year, with one of the worst benches in the league, this is how well we performed. New coach, new GM, 5 rookies. The goal right now is to develop these rookies and to become a winning team, by having a winning mentality, which we have.

    Have never in my life, nor never will, see tanking as a respectable option.

     

    All in all though, I'm feeling a little disappointed in Olshey right now, I still believe in him, but as a GM, this shouldn't have shocked you. You put together this team, for a reason. It should shock us fans, sure, but you shouldn't come out in a statement saying that you should have gotten some more free agents in this past offseason, and that's basically "my bad guys".. That was your job... even if you got someone for a 1 year deal, you could have put some more juice into this team. Just my belief

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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 01/20/2013 1:42 PM

    I still think I have a chance to win the bet :) But I still believe they have a chance. Right now Houston is at 500 and everyone else below us are about three games below that mark if I remember correctly. As much as I know that we are "saving up" for the long term, I do not believe that having our starting 5 play the amount of minutes they are playing is wise at all. I feel like only one or two players on the bench are even worth playing and the rest are just there to fill the roster. That should never be the case and I truly believe that is on the head of olshey. We could of given a few players a one year deal but decided otherwise. If anything we need to be working the phones for Barbosa so that we have a legitimate back up shooting guard. But that's just my two cents.


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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 01/20/2013 6:20 PM

    My choice would be survival because that's what it's gonna take to even sniff the playoffs yet alone get to the end of the season, my only concern now until we decide to get some help is the health of our starters everything else is secondary.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 01/21/2013 9:16 AM

    pride and being able to win is what the team needs to attract quality free agents. the blazers really have an opportunity to really sell themselves this off season. "all these changes and look what we did", or "now we just need a 6th man and 1 or 2 solid bench players". knowing and being able to show exactly what you need from a player combined with the ability to win now is what is going to attract free agents. they're going to want to play for the loudest, craziest passionate fans in the nba on a team that needs exactly what they bring to the table. so i say play hard, even if they get swept show some pride. tanking is weak. who wants to play for a team that loses on purpose?

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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 01/21/2013 3:48 PM

    Playoffs. And that's only because we are too good to be too bad. Even if we miss the playoffs, we will more then likely have a better record then any Eastern non-playoff team, so there's a good chance we finish 13th or 14th, which would mean, no playoffs and no pick (Charlotte's). That's the main reason why I want playoffs. Also, it'd be good to say our rookie point guard led us to the playoffs!
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/22/2013 5:08 AM

    Schwabbii...better get that lettuce ready.  No playoff team drops both games to the Washington Wizards.  This team is lotto bound if a rabbitt doesn't emerge from the hat before next months trade deadline.

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