While wing players shine, Alridge embaresses himself
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 01/11/2013 10:51 PM

    Friday's game against the Warriors was rough, but it wasn't as rough on anyone as it was on Aldridge. While Lillard, Matthews, Batum, Babbitt, and Jared Jeffries of all people dug deep to rally in the fourth quarter one player directly helped Golden State win that game: Lamarcus Aldridge. Throughout the first three quarters LA let David Lee get the best of him on both sides of the court and in the end LA overall shot 3-14 while Lee was 11-20. Mike and Mike talked about David Lee criticizing the league for choosing Aldridge over him for last year's all-star team and tonight  Lee made a good case for why he is a better player: he played hard on offense AND defense. He quickly got into Aldridge's head and it was the Warriors low post scoring from then on.

    In the last half of the fourth quarter when Jeffries came off the court huffing and puffing because of how much effort he put into guarding Lee, Aldridge came in well-rested with his team's confidence growing. How did our "All-Star" respond? He rotated terrible in the pick and roll and left Lee open on multiple occasions down the stretch, without those late buckets the Blazers could have come away with the win Lillard deserved. LA was 3-4 steps behind every other player on that court tonight. I understand its a back to back game, but you didn't see any of the other starting 5 give up in the fourth the way Aldridge did. 36 year old Kevin Garnett plays with more hustle and endurance late in games than Aldridge has at just 27 years old, his "prime years". And don't get me started on why Chris Bosh scored 29 thursday night.

    I have often believed LA's lack of defense has been overlooked because of his offensive moves. For somebody making the money he is and getting the attention he does, he plays some of the worst post defense a post player can display. Defense does not get the credit it used to. If Neil Olshey was smart he'd go after somebody that can guard the paint every night and not look lost out there after seven years in the league. This isn't LA's team anymore. In fact it is more Nic's team than it is Aldridge's at this point. The thunder and the clippers understand the importance of low post defense. Time for the Blazers to. Either hire an assistant that will work on LA's tenacity or get the next Serge Ibaka you can find because that was the missing link in this game and it will certainly be back to haunt us soon. The best players in the league can still be effective when they are having an off night, you saw that from Batum and Matthews. Yet when Aldridge went cold the entire night and Stotts left him in, we saw the worst post defense of the game. Get well soon Meyers Leonard, post defense is all on you. 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/11/2013 11:11 PM

    LA is one of 3 players since James, Wade, and Bosh got together in Miami to score at least 20 pts and grab 15 boards in a non-overtime game versus the Heat.  Dwight Howard did it twice, and Blake Griffen did it once.  JJ Hickson guarded Bosh most of the game on Thursday, not Aldridge.  Which says everything you need to know about JJ's defense.

     

    Playing a back-to-back after logging 42 minutes versus the Heat, LA didn't shoot well.  As much could be said for the entire team in the first 3 quarters vs GS.  He did contribute 6 reb, 2 stl, 2 blk, 5 ast.  Quite the over reaction in my opinion, after a single game.

     

    Although statistics are subjective, the eye test is hardly objective. 

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/12/2013 12:00 AM

    Myers Leonard is the WORST POST DEFENDER EVER so hes not gonna help hhahaa ;)

    Wes was pretty bad vs GSW soooo

    Lamarcus has been shooting very poorly lately....when he and Hickson are shooting bad things get very  very ugly.

    Maybe fatigue is setting in, He and Hickson definitely need some help..Jeffries looked good maybe should play him ,I guess we need Leonard back.

    Babbit and Jeffries was our front court for a while..

    Lamarcus is still a beast and a great piece to our core. Hes just in a slump, he'll get out of it.


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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 01/12/2013 1:36 AM

    First a thread for Nic and now LA smh.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/12/2013 10:01 AM

    Nobody shined in this game. Lillard went on a scoring run when it was too late and made the end score look a lot better than it was. LaMarcus had an off game but the wings didn't shine in my opinion. I you're going to criticize a player you might want to learn to spell his name
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/12/2013 10:36 AM

    Yeah Its a bit much to get all over Lamarcus after one bad night,especially on a back to back with a much minutes as our starters have to play all year cause of no bench
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/12/2013 12:30 PM

    (Sigh)
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  1. flyroy69
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    Posted 01/12/2013 4:13 PM

    "and don't get me started on why Chris Bosh scored 29 last night"... WTF? Best scenario for someone who only wants to complain, is to perhaps root for a different team! I would put money that the guy in front of me with the James jersey on was you! Put down the booze, and try to post when you can write something debatable or with actual thought!
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 01/13/2013 2:15 AM

    honestly, tell me how this is a "discussion" board at all...
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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 01/15/2013 10:03 PM

    I agree Knorton. I just read through the whole thread and every single rebuttal was simply stating what a "stupid" comment jonthorpe put together. I sometimes refrain from posting analytical ideas about the team on here because of the simple fact that most of the replies are not replies but rather bashing on the original poster. How about we get some legitimate discussion perhaps? 


    I think that LA really does have some defensive issues to be honest and it hasn't really gotten a lot better over the years. Most of the problem in my opinion is simply that he doesn't want to put in the hustle to do so. He is often beat by quality passing schemes and good teamwork from the opposing team. It could be that he is over used and is just too tired but I feel like that is not the root of it. As I said in other posts, LA is 6'11" and pure muscle. He could probably just stand near the bucket, reach his arms up and get 5 rebounds per night without trying. But...there is a reason someone like Dennis Rodman was only 6'6" and still averaged well over 10 rebounds per game in his prime. It's called hustle. It's called effort. We need to figure out some way to get him to reach his potential on defense. 

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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 01/16/2013 1:46 AM

    I read through this tread about 3 or 4 time not once did anyone said or called jonthorpe "stupid" for post what he posted maybe flyroy69 comment was a little harsh but, if my comment meant that way then jon where ever you are I apologize but, just for the record I don't think or would call anybody "stupid" just because we don't share the same opinion.

     

    I'm for one hope LA does improve defensively I think he still can and hope he does.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/16/2013 5:07 AM

    Good posts you two.  I would only ask that we, as a group, consider a far bigger sample size when creating a thread singling out an individual player's performance.  


    @schwabbii...Rodman didn't expend any energy, nor offer any contribution offensively.  LaMarcus is who this team is currently playing thru, and that takes a toll.  I have noticed his rebounding #s climbing steadily as of late, as well as Aldridge becoming much more assertive in the paint offensively.  Last night at Denver, Aldridge was the Blazer closing out on that key tre.  He played that as well as you can without risking a whistle.  I had issues with LaMarcus early in the season, but can't find fault with his play currently.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/16/2013 10:45 AM

    I dont know,this board is cool,we discuss alot and alot of the posts are very well thought out,Blazer Fanatic has alot of intelligent posts,and people here are very knoweldgeable,its just,this particular one bashing LA after one bad game is pretty,well Lame
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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 01/16/2013 10:51 PM

    I don't think anyone has directly said that any comment has been "stupid" per se but disregarding a thread can easily be assumed as saying so. Maybe I'm putting words into others mouths...could be :) I agree with the fact that Rodman didn't have to exert any energy on the offensive side of the ball but at one point in time he was averaging almost 19 rebounds per game with the Pistons in a body and skill level far inferior to Aldridge. Do I think that his averages are horrible? Not at all. But at the same time I feel like a lot of games I watch, LA is a bit relaxed on the defensive side of things and it costs the team. At least make things a bit more difficult. Heck, Stotts needs to get this whole team (other then a selective few) going on defense and stop letting the other team get so many easy baskets. For instance tonight against the Cavs. It was just embarrassing to watch.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/17/2013 4:29 AM

    Off topic a bit, but I agree Schwabbii.  Defense starts on the perimeter.  This team, even WITH a shot blocker, MUST get better defensively on ball.  Even when Oden was healthy, he often found himself in foul trouble because, at that time, Steve Blake couldn't stay in front of anybody.  Matador defense doesn't work for me, and it consistently exposes your bigs.  While JJ and LA may not be rotating well enough, they're being called upon to rotate far too often.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/18/2013 9:16 AM

    schwabbii -

     "I think that LA really does have some defensive issues to be honest and it hasn't really gotten a lot better over the years."

     

    What are LA's defensive issues?  Like specifically.  Why is LA not a good defender?

     

    "He is often beat by quality passing schemes and good teamwork from the opposing team."

    What player doesn't get beat often by quality passing schemes and good teamwork?  The term quality and good, doesn't exactly speak to issue of poor defense.  Can you expand on what you mean?

     

    It could be that he is over used and is just too tired...

    You nailed it.  11th in entire NBA in Minutes Per Game.  There is not a single Center or Power Forward or player over 6'9" that has played more minutes than LA this season.  There are only 6 players in the entire NBA scoring more than Aldridge this year.  Unless you believe that offense doesn't take effort, then perhaps this is where perceptions of lacking hustle should simma down, no?

     

    He could probably just stand near the bucket, reach his arms up and get 5 rebounds per night without trying.

    Do you mean LA could fight with JJ for the same rebound that the Blazers would get otherwise?  Or that his arms can stretch from one side of the court to the other if he would just lift them?  Or that 6th in rebounding for all PFs suggests he should be getting more, if only he hustled? 

     

    What I gather is that when you watch LA play, you don't see spectacular rebound that stick out as memorable, and therefor, he doesn't hustle.  Maybe if he grunted more or put on 20lbs?  Or maybe if he went after rebounds that would go to another Blazer player (hickson) anyway.  Give me a compelling argument that explains what LA isn't doing to convey hustle.  Energy is expended on both ends of the court.  Would you say he doesn't hustle on offense?  Are you saying there a swith that he turns off at mid court?

     

    But...there is a reason someone like Dennis Rodman was only 6'6" and still averaged well over 10 rebounds per game in his prime. It's called hustle. It's called effort. We need to figure out some way to get him to reach his potential on defense.

     

    It's called God given tallent?  It's called, not blowing energy being the focal point on offense?  It's called, Rodman played Small Forward most of the time?  Compairing Rodman to LA is a bit much don't you think?  Rodman is in the Hall of Fame.  Rodman was/is arguably the best rebounder to have ever played the game, and led the NBA in rebounding 7 years in a row. During those 7 years he led the league in rebounding, Rodman never averaged 1 steal, or 1 block.  His point averages were 9.8, 7.5, 7.1, 5.7, 5.5, and 4.7 twice (points per game).  (and fun fact: Rodman only shot over 60% 1 time in those 7 years)  Did it matter that he played with guys that won 5 NBA championships between the Pistons and Bulls?  As BDawg said, defense starts at the peremeter - and who was on the perimeter during those 7 seasons for Rodman?  (Dumars, Jordan, Pippen, Elliot, Avery Johnson) Did it matter he played along side David Robinson in San Antonio (who led the NBA in rebounding one year), or Bill Lambeer (who also led the NBA in rebounding one year)?

     

    Are shooting guards that don't have Jordan's numbers not hustling?  Rodman comparisons are a non-starter for me.  Rebounding and Defense is a team venture.  Porltand doesn't have size at Center to be where there need to be in that department.  And Lillard is a rookie.

     

    Clearly you have a perception that LA doesn't hustle.  I have no idea what makes you believe that, but it's your perception.  Just wondering perhaps, could you point to examples that don't involve him playing 40 minutes a game and carrying a huge load on offense, to help me understand where you are coming from?

     

    As for not agreeing with an opinion... it is as part of any discussion as is agreeing with an opinion.  I am confussed why anyone would feel attacked when it is the argument or the opinion that is being refuted or disagreed with.   Even if there are 1,000 rebuttles, that's still a discussion- a very lopsided discussion perhaps, but nevertheless, a discussion.   Lumping everyone into a "calling people stupid" crowd because I or anyone doesn't agree with an argument, opinion, or perception, is definitley not very awesome.

  1. riverman
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    Posted 01/18/2013 9:22 AM

    Rodman is a lot taller than 6'6...he is 6'9 at least. He had a great sense of timing under the bucket but also was a master at boxing out and a very, very underrated passer. Rodman could throw a strike the length of the court.
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