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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/23/2012 10:45 PM

    A starting Center.

    A back up PG.

    A back up SG.

    A back up SF.

    A back up Center.

     

    As much as I appriciate JJ's game, his work ethic, his play... he's not a center.  You can't develope 6'9".  Portland is 24th in rebounding, and dang near last in allowing points in the paint. As thrilled as many fans may be with JJ's rebounding numbers, he should have 20-30 a game, and be allowing fewer than FOURY FIVE points in the paint every night.  The Blazers are asking something from JJ that he is not capable of, and he's doing an amazing job to try and provide it... it's just not enough.  He's not a center.

     

    I'll comment on the others later, but this one just kills me.  It's a double edged sword because I really respect JJs game and his effort and I really don't have a bad thing to say about they guy.  He's just not what we need at Center.  If we can sign him as a back up PF next season, then I will be so very, and extremely happy.  If not... I'll cheer for him when they announce his name as an under opposing team's PF.

     

    I love the chemistry the team has built, love the coaches approach and ability, love the fight this team shows...

    but this 2nd loss to Sac is a brutal reminder that the Blazers are rebuilding at best.  It's painful.

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 12:23 AM

    Our team can score we had very balanced scoring without having one of our starters..but defense is a huge problem for us.

    Cant let these wings score on us so easily. Marcus Thortan, Salmons, Outlaw combined for 22 for 36 shooting 61 % Cant let 3 mediocre players score 52 points shooting 61 percent...these are not even close to all star type players.

    Ronnie Price is just horrible out there. When Lillard out the offense doesnt run good at all. Price was 0-5 with 3 turnovers. In 17 minutes he had the worse (+/-) with a -18.    A back up PG would help us out a lot.

    Sucks when you have two GREAT scoring and rebouding PFs but neither are great defenders. A starting defensive minded center would help too, but still opposing wings are destroying us.



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    Posted 12/24/2012 10:13 AM

    I have to disagree. JJ is one of the best players the Blazers have on their roster. He's working hard. 20-30? You must be living in dreamland. He is no allstar. I think Siccolo has hit upon the big issue. The Blazers are not deep. The coach has a big challenge on his hands. Being 13-13 is not too bad considering the roster. I really am not happy with two players in particular. They are Price and Leonard. It is hard to believe Price is in his 7th year. If this is a rebuilding year, with 5 rookies, then perhaps a couple of bullying bigs on the bench (the bbb) might help the points in the paint, rebounding, and the overall defense. "Let's face it", as of now, the Blazers are mainly youngsters with one allstar and a couple of key players.

    As far as chemistry.  I really don't see a lot of it happening.  Roles have settled a bit, but overall the team looks slightly confused

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:02 AM

    We all know we're lacking a 20+ scoring 6 man off the bench and Meyers Leonard isn't ready to play NBA defense but most of all, I think we missed Wesley out there as much as anything. Brooks gets by Lillard with ease..he's a really fast guard and for some reason Salmons has career shooting nights every time we play the Kings. Nic didn't have a good game and with only LA and JJ producing, guys didn't step up. It was a sloppy ugly game but not one that defiines the team by any stretch. We're at 500 and can beat good teams. Joel Freeland had a spark but too little too late and turnovers and bad shooting killed our chances. We needed Nic to take over and score but he shot cold. Without Wes and with Nic and Damian having pedestrian games anybody can beat us.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:18 AM

    Coby Karl! (cough, cough)
    I am a fan of multiple All-Stars on the Blazers roster this season!
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 12:40 PM

    The only game we lost this winning streak was a game i barely got to watch so thats another reason we didnt get the W.

    I think we should consider clearing roster spots and do what Boston and Spurs are doing. Looking at the D League.Spurs have been successful for a while, Boston just signed Jarvis Varrando who was averaging 14 points 4 blocks and 10 rebounds over 10 games. 

    Guys who are playing well over there are Jamario Moon (8 points, 3steals, 3 blocks, over 7 games) v

    Hassan Whiteside --7'0ft -260lb Gathered interest from Raptors, Timberwolves, Kings. Big guy 15 mins a game he averaging 12 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block. Looks like a less athletic better offense Chris Johnson.

    Rather have more Bigs that dont get minutes rather than wings that dont get smaller guys like Freeland, Smith, Jefffries.


    Theres is also some stampede guys that are looking ok like Justin Harper, Justin Holiday, Durrel Summer

    At least get some cheap help POR dont just let this season rot 

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/24/2012 1:30 PM

    Will Barton and Joel Freeland scored over 20 when playing with the Stampede, doesn't always translate to the NBA but still there are players to be found there and I think the Spurs pioneered the use of it. We should follow suit and use the D league to shore up the bench when needed but the defense in the D league is really bad...guys are all going for their shots, not many assists either. Defense is what we lack most of all. Wes, JJ, La and Nic can't defend a whole team by themselves. Our rookies are not good defenders. There's some improvement with Joel, Victor and Luke but Meyers is always out of place and forgetting to set screens. Weak passing is another reason we lost against the kings..no zip on the ball. Ronnie had a really bad game offensively..couldn't pass or shoot well all night. We're 4 games from the 30 game rookie wall to see where we really are at the deadline. I think this year is about finding out who to keep on our bench more than anything.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/24/2012 4:21 PM

    That's firsts post is a solid observation Siccolo. I really appreciate that kind of post. Let's be honest, the Blazers played a tough game vs Phx the previous night. The suns are a tough team, regardless of how their record shakes out. As frustrating a loss as it was for the Blazers to drop on in Sac, the Suns were blown out by the Clippers the next day, clearly tired from a very tough fought game vs Portland. Wes didn't play for us, and I don't think Thorton goes off with him starting. I could go on, and on, pointing out problems without getting to the real issue. So, I thought I try and create a thread that looks at the big picture, which is a complex problem, and solicit a complex solution.

    JJ isn't problem. Leonard isn't the problem. In fact, I think it misses the point entirely when fans get critical of game to game performance or an individual player. The Blazers are a puzzle without all the pieces, and some pieces that are for a different puzzle.

    My hope is that spell out the complex problem in hopes that it lends itself to better discussion about how to solve it.

    Simple Problem: The Blazers are not a contender. That was easy... now the hard part: breaking it down to reveal the complex problem.

    As a fan, even a really engaged fan, there's a lot of info and insight I'm not privy to.  Even if I were, there are still many unanswered question.

     

    We all want a championship.  How do we get there?

    We have 58 mil before we hit the salary cap to fill out a roster. And go…

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/24/2012 4:29 PM

    PF – Is Aldridge (13.5 mil) the best PF the Blazer could hope to get their hands on?  I think so.  So LA really isn’t the problem, and trading him isn’t a real solution.  Even if there was a one for one trade available at PF, what team would do it, and why would the Blazers?  Can we all agree LA is a solid PF?

    What the Blazers need is a back-up PF, and preferably one that can play center with a small line-up.  JJ’s currently at $4 mil this year.  He is the ideal back up PF to LA, but only if we can sign him for that price… 3-5 mil.

    Freeland isn’t the back-up PF we need him to be at 3 mil, but we have 50+ games to see if he can be that guy.  We need a back-up PF, and the price is right, but he’s not there… yet.

    Jared Jeffries is a solid vet, great character, good in the locker room, they guy we could rely on to keep a lead and give a starter a breather.  At 1.5 mil, its money well spent this year.  I know he’d play more if we weren’t trying to develop other guys, and I think Jared understand this.

    22 mil at PF

     

    SF – Say what you will about Batum, but he’s definitely living up to his new contract as compared across the league.  He is such a unique talent, and now has the freedom to be a legitimate star on this roster.  Is he a championship piece.  I think so. 10.5 mil

    Victor Claver – Not sure I he can pull it together by years end.  He’s not a solid back up now. 1.3 mil

    Luke Babbit – 1.89 mil  He could be a 10 – 13th man on a contending team the way he’s picked it up this season. We will release or resign or sign&trade him after this season.

    13.7 mil at SF

     

    SG – Wes is offense and defense. He’s not a superstar, but he is a guy that I can see making this team a contender. $6.5 mil   I don’t see the Blazers improving at this position when there are much larger priorities.

    Barton, cheap, but at times out to get his stats, and other times, makes really poor decisions with the basketball.  His play thus far is not NBA caliber, but there’s time and at a modest 550k, we might as well see what

    Pavlovic is a nice Veteran presence, and had played relatively well for what he’s been asked to do.  Boston is paying his salary, so the 1.23 mil isn’t a big issue, but still counts against our cap.

    Elliot Williams … will this guy ever play?  What will he provide when he is healthy?  1.44 mil is 1.44 mil too much for zero production.  Jury is still out.

    9.8 mil at SG

     

    C –After 24 games, Leonard is clearly a few years away from being the Center we need, let alone the back-up center we need.  He’s all we have though.  Work in progress.

    $2.1 at Center

     

    PG – Lillard is worth every penny and more of his $3 mil rookie contract.

    Price may very well be the best thing available, but he’s not cutting it after 24 games.  At $1.15 mil, for a back-up PG, you get what you pay for.

    Nolan is hit and miss (mostly miss), ready for summer league, not ready to run an NBA team. $1.44 mil might be best used elsewhere.

    $5.6 mil at PG

     

    So we’re at $56,786, 970 just under the $58 mil cap (by $1.3 mil)

     

    Our team next year, before free agency looks like this (9 players):

    Aldridge, Batum, Lillard, Mattews, Freeland, Leonard, Claver, Price, Barton

    Pavlovic and Jeffries are non-guaranteed.

    Hickson, Smith, Babbit, and Williams are not on the books for next year if we don’t pick up their cap holds leaving Portland at $47,445,628 total and $44,506,635 in guaranteed salary.

    The Blazers have a potential $13.5 million available with 9 players signed.

     

    We have a starting PF, PG, SG, SF, and an unproven C, PF, SF, PG, and SG that are not currently suitable even as reliable or consistent back-ups.  We're talking about building a contender remember?

     

    Picking up JJ’s cap hold reduces that available cap down to around $6.2 mil, plus a $2.5 Room exception, and solves the back-up PF, and small line-up center position.  But that’s way too steep a price, and I cannot see a scenario where we pick up JJ’s cap hold, or sign him until we fill out more of the puzzle in the off-season.

     

    We lack several significant pieces that need to be added before we even talk about how much over the cap we resign any of our existing players. 

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/24/2012 5:18 PM

    If we want to sign Hickson, with $13.5 mil available, how much do you sign him for?

    On whom do you spend the remaining cap space, and $2.5 mil Room exception?

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 5:33 PM

    Thank you  BlazerFanatic, Im going to say it again. You the most intelligent Blazer fan ever

    I hope we sign Hickson long term deal. Just because he is one of my favorite but I realize we might use that space for a Center or for multiple bench pieces.

    If we dont sign Hick I Hope we pursue Nik Pekovic.

    If we do sign Hick, we can go after Aaron Brooks/ Eric Maynor/ Dj Augusin also.


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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/24/2012 6:33 PM

    I'd love to sign JJ and a center like Pekovic.  Pekovic is making 5 mil this year. And then use anything left and our Room exception on a suitable back up PG, and perhaps Babbit and Williams.  We also have the 2 players in Greese, one of which I think could be ready to play for Portland off the bench next year.
  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/24/2012 6:41 PM

    We gotta keep hickson,but yeah Uhhh Blazers are missing quite a few pieces,I think everyone knows,and knew that going in,How do we win a title,titles are won with superstars,and You gotta have at least 2 maybe 3 superstars on a team to win the big one.Hopefully Lillard can develope into a superstar,Aldridge is a good 3rd option I.E Chris Bosh,but we need another Bigtime Player.Fortunatley you can get by with a 6'9 center though your right Hickson is probaby better as a backup power forward on a contending team,So were probably looking at getting a Stronger center bringing hickson off the bench,and we Need a Superstar 2 and have matthews off the bench,Funny how we had both of those things in Oden and Brandon roy,though we would've never aquired lillard had those guys been healthy,but thats what we really need a Superstar caliber 2,even though there isn't many off them and Very few players Sign Big money contracts with the blazers,can anyone even remember the Last big name free agent we signed? In the Nba titles are won with superstars and big name players the league can market cause the higher your marketablility the more the League favors seeing our team in high playoff situations cause of ratings. Remember year 2000? We had a awesome team constructed of great players,but we didn't have anyone at the level or marketability of Kobe or Shaq,so the league made sure to get them in the finals cause Portland vs Indiana=Ratings disaster.Who knows if a title will ever be won in portland but if it is it'll be won with superstars,He'll maybe we can get drexler to come out've retirement,that HGH stuff worked great for bonds
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/24/2012 6:45 PM

    a modest 550k, I love this world.lol
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/24/2012 6:46 PM

    Kostas Papanikolaou (Greece*) was reported in November by J.Quick to be "very likely" comming to Portland next year.  He's a 22 year old, 6'8" SF, with a great feel for the game and defensive presence.  He's not the strongest shooter, but he has that "motor" that Blazer fans love.  If Babbit is not picked up, I'd put money on him being in Portland next year.  I may even put money on it if Babbit is picked up. We got him from the fattie Felton trade with the Knicks, as he was their 2nd round pick in the 2012 NBA Draft.

     

    Printezis, is the other Greek.  He's 6'9" and can shoot.  Popped a game winner over Kirilenko last May.  He was a second-round pick by the San Antonio Spurs in 2007.

  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/24/2012 6:54 PM

    Uggh these greek dudes,very skeptical.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/24/2012 7:17 PM

    Posted By riverman on 12/24/2012 1:30 PM
    Will Barton and Joel Freeland scored over 20 when playing with the Stampede, doesn't always translate to the NBA but still there are players to be found there and I think the Spurs pioneered the use of it. We should follow suit and use the D league to shore up the bench when needed but the defense in the D league is really bad...guys are all going for their shots, not many assists either. Defense is what we lack most of all. Wes, JJ, La and Nic can't defend a whole team by themselves. Our rookies are not good defenders. There's some improvement with Joel, Victor and Luke but Meyers is always out of place and forgetting to set screens. Weak passing is another reason we lost against the kings..no zip on the ball. Ronnie had a really bad game offensively..couldn't pass or shoot well all night. We're 4 games from the 30 game rookie wall to see where we really are at the deadline. I think this year is about finding out who to keep on our bench more than anything.

    I agree defense, and taking care of the ball (passing especially) are real concerns.

     

    I don't believe in a "rookie wall." 

     

    I think some guys need time to play together, time to develope, and others are square pegs that don't fit in round holes. 

     

    Who do you keep or let go of Jeffries, Pavlovic, Babbit, Williams, Smith next season?  And, what do you resign JJ for?

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 8:24 PM

    In an ideal world we sign JJ and Pekovic 
    Damian/ Price
    Wes/ Barton/ Sasha
    Batum/ Kostas/ Claver
    LA/ JJ HICK/ Jeffries
    Pek/ Myers
    For a fact we would be a much better team, a playoff team but the bench is still weak. Still 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/24/2012 9:55 PM

    We need a significant upgrade at SG. Wesley Matthews is 21st in rebounds for SG's per game at 2.9. If you go off of rebounds per 48 minutes Matthews drops even further to a tie for 33rd. He is tied for 19th in assist per game with former Blazer Jamal Crawford at 2.4. Over 48 minutes he is tied for 27th. He is 12th is PPG for SG's but 18th in FG%. However, once again over 48 minutes he drops down the list winding up 21st in PPG for SG's. 

    I like Wesley but I believe he would be much better served as a bench player on this team if we do hope to be a contender in the near future. 

    Matthews poor numbers are part of the reason this team is so low in team rebounding and assists per game.  

    If we upgrade our bench and get a starting SG this team can compete with JJ as our center. However, we need to add bench players who are defensively minded first and foremost. Someone like Kenyon Martin would certainly be an upgrade from what we are getting from Jeffries, and Freeland each night.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:30 PM

    cmeese -

    I won't argue that Wes doesn't have high rebounding numbers.  Stats hardly tells the story of Wesley's value.  Wes is a really good defender.  I would disagree that Wes isn't a starting starting SG.  There are stats that suggest he is a starting caliber SG, and not a one dimentional SG.

     

    There are 27 SGs who turn the ball over more per game, and Wes averages 37 minutes per game (excluding the 2 games he was pulled early due to injury and played a combined 14 minutes).  In fact, take those 2 games out and among all SGs he's 16th in APG, 3th in SPG, 6th in SP48 (players over 15 MPG), and 6th in 3PM PG among all SGs.

     

    So on topic, Matthew's contract is 6 mil.  Who do you suggest he be traded for, and how does that affect our salary cap?

     

    Martin?  We need a locker room VET, not a locker room cancer.  And he doesn't play center.  And the jury will be out on Freeland or me untill the end of the season.

  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:46 PM

    y give wes up for an offensive minded sg? how many sg's are really out there that can play defense like the kid? 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:47 PM

    yea lets make a thread about our defense then propose replacing one of our best perimeter defenders so we can get a mediocre upgrade lol 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:53 PM

    and when I say a mediocre upgrade I'm referring to offensive numbers his defense really makes up for all them numbers that he lacks plus he has put up points on a consistant basis when hes been fully healthy so far this year 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/25/2012 12:51 AM

    Posted By riverman on 12/24/2012 11:02 AM
    We all know we're lacking a 20+ scoring 6 man off the bench and Meyers Leonard isn't ready to play NBA defense but most of all, I think we missed Wesley out there as much as anything. Brooks gets by Lillard with ease..he's a really fast guard and for some reason Salmons has career shooting nights every time we play the Kings. Nic didn't have a good game and with only LA and JJ producing, guys didn't step up. It was a sloppy ugly game but not one that defiines the team by any stretch. We're at 500 and can beat good teams. Joel Freeland had a spark but too little too late and turnovers and bad shooting killed our chances. We needed Nic to take over and score but he shot cold. Without Wes and with Nic and Damian having pedestrian games anybody can beat us.


    Yeah, I mentioned something to that effect in the Sac thread.  It's not as if Phx blew out the Clippers the following night, quite the opposite.  But what I was getting at is, we have some glaring holes, and rather than taking the "patience" approach, or the "simple solution" approach, I thought I'd try to put things in perspective so we're all on the same page about what we need on the whole, and how to best achieve that.  When you utilize actual numbers, and look at the team needs as a whole, I would hope it promotes thoughtful discussion about real solutions.

     

    What I don't want, is to solicite simple, genaric, and unrealistic solutions like "we just need another superstar," or any complaining about 1 game or 1 player - as if we magically fix it, we'd be a championship team.  I made this thread hoping people could use some of the info I posted and provide real solutions, explain how it helps the team, and how it works within our salary cap situation. You often have a fair take on what you see riverman.  Ideas?

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/25/2012 12:53 AM

    I agree I dont think the problem is Wes at all, he is fine being our starting SG. Never been a game we lost and said, "If only Wes had more rebounds and assits." We already have the highest scoring starting lineup so scoring isnt the problem. Also we have some fine defenders in Wes and Batum. 


    Main 3 problems are :

    Bench production and Defense and Rebounding

    I was going to say interior defense but Guards and Fowards have been having career 3 point night it seems, as Riverman noted a couple times before.  


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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/25/2012 12:56 AM

    Posted By BLASER on 12/24/2012 11:47 PM

    yea lets make a thread about our defense then propose replacing one of our best perimeter defenders so we can get a mediocre upgrade lol 


    I agree.  But what I'm looking for is, if people think trading Wes is the answer: show me a real solution, explain how a trade moves this team toward being a contender, explain how it affects our cap situation, and for the love of Christmas, support your suggestion with substance.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/25/2012 1:05 AM

    Defense is a team game.  If the interior is bad, the wings will get crush no matter how good they are.  If the back court is struggling, the interrior will get crushed.  We can assume that there's some chemistry and time on the court together should improve our overall defense.  But I think we can also talk about some glaring holes that you can't just lay all the blame on chemistry. 

     

    Lillard isn't a great defender right now.  He's and franchise PG, and he'll have to improve.  Trading him isn't a real solution.

     

    Matthews, I believe, is solid on D, and I think Batum is a very good defender as well.

     

    LA is a pretty good defender for a PF that brings what he brings on the offensive side of the ball.

     

    I think where we struggle most is at Center.  And as I pointed out in my OP, I don't blame JJ.  Stott asked him to do something he's not really cut out for, and the kid is killing himself night in and night out to provide it.  He's is certainly improving his defense.  But when the opposing team has a real center in the game... it's extremely rough going.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/25/2012 1:07 AM

    So many typo's... oops.  Time for Santa to get some sleep.  Enjoy the Holiday everyone, and to all, a good night. : )
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/25/2012 1:14 AM

    One last stat:  there have been only 5 double-doubles this season by NBA SGs in PTS/AST.  Kobe, Harden, Terry, Crawford, and Matthews
  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/25/2012 8:19 AM

    So yeah,like I said On a Strong title contending team Hickson and Matthews would come of our bench,we'd have a better center and we NEED a Superstar level 2 and I dont know how we get that superstar cause Unless we get him in the draft there's not many superstar level 2's out there and they ain't signing in portland.

     

    Fanatic-all those dudes is expendible but Id keep babbit and maybe Jeffries or Pavlovic. Hickson is probably gonna resign for about 5 mil. I know you think thats high,but He's awesome player,losing him will give fans the wrong Idea and honestly there are worse players making more money out there? So why not?

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/25/2012 12:13 PM

    I dont think we HAVE to bring Matthews off the bench to become a title contending team.. we can find other players to become off the bench. Matthews would be getting paid a lot of money to come off the bench....

    These are teams that dont NEED to have a superstar level 2

    Grizzlies-Tony Allen, Clippers-Willie Green, Spurs-Gary Neal, Thunder-Thabo Sefolosha, Knicks-Jason Kidd


    I would say right now Wes Matthews is better than all these players... 

    I think Lamarcus, Damian, Nic, Wes, JJ is enough talent to compete with other top tier teams. 

    The problem is after that The Blazers talent drops after those 5, which sets us apart from title contenders.

    Sure it would be nice to have a Superstar SG but right now Wes is great for us.



    Side note- I thought the Grizzlies would be terrible this year but how are they doing so good?? They have almost no depth like us, and there stats look just like ours except for team stats. They are better defensive and rebounding team. But its crazy comparing these two teams players by player statistics. It seems like we have a better roster to me....but I do have Blazers bias.....

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/25/2012 9:30 PM

    Posted By Siccolo on 12/25/2012 12:13 PM
     

    Side note- I thought the Grizzlies would be terrible this year but how are they doing so good?? They have almost no depth like us, and there stats look just like ours except for team stats. They are better defensive and rebounding team. But its crazy comparing these two teams players by player statistics. It seems like we have a better roster to me....but I do have Blazers bias.....


    Memphis Grizzlies Differentials

    +5.4 PTS +2.5 FGM  +4.2 FGA  +0.759 FG%  -21 3PM  -81 3PA +.017 3P%

    They are getting more FG attempts and shooting very slightly better than opponents.

    They are shooting far fewer 3s AND shooting as well or better than their opponents.

    +1.3 FTM  +0.4 FTA +4.75 FT%

    They are not getting to the line any more than opponents, but they are shooting a better percentage from the free throw line. This is significant.

    +1.9 AST  -1.5 TO  +1 STL

    They averaging almost 2 more assists per game, 1 steal per game, and fewer turnovers.  This is very significant.

    +3.7 REB

    They are out rebounding their opponents.  This is significant.

    Memphis is a team that has solid chemistry and plays well together on both ends of the court. What’s the difference between Portland and Memphis?

    Memphis has played 2 fewer road games, and not more than 3 consecutive road game, with a record of 6-5. They are 1-4 on the 2nd of back-2-back games. The Blazers are  4-9 on the road, 1-9 in non-overtime road games, but 3-1 on the 2nd of back-2-back games.

    The Grizz have a 7’1”, $14 mil/year starting center, and the Blazers do not.  Hickson is being asked to do something that his body isn’t tall enough to do.  As I have said several times in this thread, I don’t blame Hickson for being 6’9” and 242lbs.  He’s exceeding what we could hope to expect from him at center.  His defense is improving, but it’s still lacking at that position when the opponent has a 7 footer in the game. Hickson is shooting .62FT%.  I'd like to see his defense and FT% improve.

    As a team, the Grizz shoot .44 FG%.  Memphis has 10 players that average more than 14 minutes per game:

    Randolph .497,  Gasol .489, Conley .445, Gay .418, Allen .389, Pondexter .435, Speights .435, Bayless .401, Arthur .449, Ellington .392 

    As a team, the Blazers shoot .434 FG%.  Portland only has 7 players that average more than 14 minutes per game:

    Hickson .567, LA .461, Matthews .425, Lillard .420, Batum .413, Leonard .545, Price .302

    Portland has 3 other players avg 10-15 min: Babbit .410, Pavlovic .386, Freeland .333.

    The difference is, there is a significant drop from our bench and their bench in production and time on the court.  No one off the Blazer bench shoots better than .75 FT%.

    Leonard is not a good defender yet, often lost on where he needs to be, only averages 3.3 rebounds in his near 17 minutes per game.

    Price is shooting .302FG%, .238 3P%, .70 FT% on 0.6FTAs, 2 APG, and 1.1 TOPG in his near 15 minutes per game.

    Long story short, our bench is not good, and we don’t have a true Center.  Guys get tired, or injured, and there’s no one available to pick up the slack.  This problem is exacerbated when we play teams with legit big men, play a back-2-back, are on a long road trip, or have injuries.  Portland works hard, and is extremely resilient.  This process of playing the games and developing chemistry and skills will hopefully reveal more about the direction the Blazer front office goes with each player.

    Look at the Nets:  gave away their picks, have zero flexibility, and have a record of 13-12.  The Blazers have a potential $13.5 mil in cap space, a $2.5 mil Room exception, and a very young starting line-up with an All-Star PF, a ROY PG, and are 13-13 on after a brutal starting scheduel.  Things could be worse.

    So, back to: who do we target, release, resign, trade, and how does it affect our cap situation…

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/25/2012 9:44 PM

    Edit: Leonard is shooting .88 FT% off the bench.
  1. knorton181
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    Posted 12/26/2012 12:30 AM

    Did you guys make up??? Gosh that woulda been rough without the two of you ladies!! :) Merry Xmass!

    BTW just saying: I posted a very similar thing Blazer Fanatic on another board about the lack of bench. BUT I do believe Meyers is gonna be a great Center (call me loyal, or homer, or w/e but that's really what I see). And there's not a real stubstantial argument to clearly depict how I or anyone views a player's potential but I'll just say I think he will blow people minds in a year or two.
    - You should write on the Meyers Leonard board I posted a while back. I still think it's a really interesting subject that could depict the team's future!

    Anyways, like I posted about JJ before, if he is not going to be this team's Center next yea or for the long. Do you think he will not get offers from other teams to start as a PF? Because if so it would be pretty hard to convince him to stay as LA's backup for the next 3 or 4 years (Til he is 26!). So trading him (and no I am not thrilled by any means to propose this) might be the best choice.. Thoughts?
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/26/2012 2:42 AM

    Posted By Curvychloe on 12/25/2012 8:19 AM

    So yeah,like I said On a Strong title contending team Hickson and Matthews would come of our bench,we'd have a better center and we NEED a Superstar level 2 and I dont know how we get that superstar cause Unless we get him in the draft there's not many superstar level 2's out there and they ain't signing in portland.

     

    Fanatic-all those dudes is expendible but Id keep babbit and maybe Jeffries or Pavlovic. Hickson is probably gonna resign for about 5 mil. I know you think thats high,but He's awesome player,losing him will give fans the wrong Idea and honestly there are worse players making more money out there? So why not?


    I totally disagree with mathews coming off the bench in order to be a title contender his shooting and defensive numbers are great I mean look @ sefolosha he isn't the best starting sg in the game in fact he's nowhere near the top half of the leage for sg's but look @ okc 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/26/2012 2:53 AM

    Posted By knorton181 on 12/26/2012 12:30 AM
    Did you guys make up??? Gosh that woulda been rough without the two of you ladies!! :) Merry Xmass!

    BTW just saying: I posted a very similar thing Blazer Fanatic on another board about the lack of bench. BUT I do believe Meyers is gonna be a great Center (call me loyal, or homer, or w/e but that's really what I see). And there's not a real stubstantial argument to clearly depict how I or anyone views a player's potential but I'll just say I think he will blow people minds in a year or two.
    - You should write on the Meyers Leonard board I posted a while back. I still think it's a really interesting subject that could depict the team's future!

    Anyways, like I posted about JJ before, if he is not going to be this team's Center next yea or for the long. Do you think he will not get offers from other teams to start as a PF? Because if so it would be pretty hard to convince him to stay as LA's backup for the next 3 or 4 years (Til he is 26!). So trading him (and no I am not thrilled by any means to propose this) might be the best choice.. Thoughts?

    hopefully he'll stay but if we feel like he's not gonna stick around I'm all for trading him for a possible starting caliber c or a legit 6th man that can score big off the bench 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/26/2012 3:12 AM

    Posted By knorton181 on 12/26/2012 12:30 AM

    BTW just saying: I posted a very similar thing Blazer Fanatic on another board about the lack of bench. BUT I do believe Meyers is gonna be a great Center (call me loyal, or homer, or w/e but that's really what I see). And there's not a real stubstantial argument to clearly depict how I or anyone views a player's potential but I'll just say I think he will blow people minds in a year or two.
    - You should write on the Meyers Leonard board I posted a while back. I still think it's a really interesting subject that could depict the team's future!

    Anyways, like I posted about JJ before, if he is not going to be this team's Center next yea or for the long. Do you think he will not get offers from other teams to start as a PF? Because if so it would be pretty hard to convince him to stay as LA's backup for the next 3 or 4 years (Til he is 26!). So trading him (and no I am not thrilled by any means to propose this) might be the best choice.. Thoughts?


    I know I write alot, which usually means I'm too lazy to stop, but in short I said:  Meyers needs a couple of years to develope, he's currently and often lost on the floor and out of possition to affect shots, box out, get boards, set good screens... He's one of the 9 we are committed to for cap space, and not one I even considered for doing anything with next year other than continuing to develope him into a solid center off the bench, if not a starter.

     

    JJ is playing hard, and one could argue his career is on the line, and that plays a role in his surprisingly high production.  But he's still not a great defender - improving, but not great.  He definitely not a center.  The reason I went into great length about our cap situation, is to help explain and impress upon everyone that you aren't going to see these rediculous contracts anymore under the new CBA.  58 mil is the cap.  You cannot sign any free agents or guys that don't have their Bird Rights over the cap.  The loop holes for getting around the soft cap have close drastically.  Just look at the tough decisions teams had to make this year.  It's not going to get any easier this upcoming year.  Teams are going to figure out very quickly, that they need to make smarter personel decisions, and smarter contracts. 

     

    A team won't trade for JJ - I dont' think anyway, cause who want's a $7.2 mil cap hold to resign him?  They'd be in the same boat as us.  More so, there's no garantee JJ would approve a trade and give up his Bird Rights.  I could see a team offering him as high as 7-8 mil during free agency after the Blazers don't pick up his hold, but at that price, there's no way the Blazers can afford to sign him as a back up PF for that.  At this point, I'm just not convinced that a he's worth much more than the value of a MLE (5 mil) even on the free market. 

     

    I may have mentioned this earlier, but does JJ want to go to an "under the cap" team?  Maybe.  What about an over the cap team?  They'd have to use a MLE (like Minn used on BRoy).  At best, a team would have a non-taxpayer MLE of 5 mil.  Cleveland let him go, Sac let him go, and he's played his tail off in contract years in Portland.  If you are a team other than Portland, do you really say "that's our starting PF and he will play just like that for us," then throw 9-10 mil a year at him?  He doesn't have a great mid-range game, shoots .65 FT%, he's 6'9", and not a great defender.  I think a 20 mil, 4 year deal is a something JJ would be exstatic with now that the age of bloated contracts is over.  But then Portland is left with only 8.5 mil to find a real center, a back up PG, and a legit scorer (SG) of the bench.  Maybe we get lucky and this kid from Greece knocks our socks off, or Claver transforms before our eyes, or Elliot heals the wounded (himself)...

     

    I try to keep my eye's and ears open for options or ideas, but most of the one's I keep hearing are "trade LA" "trade Batum" "trade Matthews" "sign a superstar"...  Those aren't realistic solutions.  They are all very easily said, but there is never any real explaination how it would actually happen or how that makes the Blazers a significantly better team.

  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/26/2012 9:29 AM

    Yeah,I agree I mean signing a superstar isn't a very realistc solution. But if you look at the teams that've won titles in the last decade they've all had 3 superstars,or at least 2. With the exception of Detroit and Dallas, Its just really the only were gonna win a title,I mean if your talking about winning a actual title,then yeah,if you just wanna be a 50 win team,second round,ok.But titles are won by superstars and marketability,gone are the days were every team could compete,the league looks favoribly on teams that have marketable players,cause the league has always marketed players,and that makes the difference between getting those few extra calls in game 7 of a playoff series or hell game 1 or 2 or any game for that matter,those little calls here and there that make the difference in the whole game always go to the superstar players. Matthews is great,but if we had a superstar player at the 2 he'd come off the bench,could he be a starting 2 on a championship team sure no knock on him,its just out've our 5 guys him and hickson or the only ones I could see coming off the bench because Batum,Aldridge and Lillard are too good to be bench players,some people might say Batum, but he's awesome I don't know why anyone would want to trade him or why he gets so much Shade
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/26/2012 9:31 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 12/25/2012 12:13 PM

    I dont think we HAVE to bring Matthews off the bench to become a title contending team.. we can find other players to become off the bench. Matthews would be getting paid a lot of money to come off the bench....

    These are teams that dont NEED to have a superstar level 2

    Grizzlies-Tony Allen, Clippers-Willie Green, Spurs-Gary Neal, Thunder-Thabo Sefolosha, Knicks-Jason Kidd

    I would say right now Wes Matthews is better than all these players... 

    I think Lamarcus, Damian, Nic, Wes, JJ is enough talent to compete with other top tier teams. 

    The problem is after that The Blazers talent drops after those 5, which sets us apart from title contenders.

    Sure it would be nice to have a Superstar SG but right now Wes is great for us.

    Side note- I thought the Grizzlies would be terrible this year but how are they doing so good?? They have almost no depth like us, and there stats look just like ours except for team stats. They are better defensive and rebounding team. But its crazy comparing these two teams players by player statistics. It seems like we have a better roster to me....but I do have Blazers bias.....



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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/26/2012 9:37 AM

    There is Some kinda Bias against the blazers I mean yeah,the grizzlies really aren't much better then us,I mean maybe there bench is better? I Agree,sometimes teams just get really good chemistry and play above there head,they are starting to drop some games,those teams you mentioned are not gonna win a title anytime soon, so yeah I mean to win a title,if your just talking about contending then hmmm. I guess I'm going out on a limb by saying knicks arent' gonna win a title anytime soon,but honestly once staudamire comes back i think that'll actually hurt them,thunder will never win,they are just like us,though Durant is Marketable and that MIGHT ,MIGHT help them win,I doubt it, they are western conference champs at best,Clippers,Uggh Clippers as champs,thats gonna be hard to believe,Spurs always fail in playoffs now,and Grizzlies like you said arent even that much better then Blazers. I think the blazers are better then alot of people expected,with the exception of the Sacramento issue,they are playing good ball,im proud of where were at soo far
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/26/2012 9:38 AM

    Posted By Blazer Fanatic on 12/24/2012 11:30 PM

    cmeese -

    I won't argue that Wes doesn't have high rebounding numbers.  Stats hardly tells the story of Wesley's value.  Wes is a really good defender.  I would disagree that Wes isn't a starting starting SG.  There are stats that suggest he is a starting caliber SG, and not a one dimentional SG.

     

    There are 27 SGs who turn the ball over more per game, and Wes averages 37 minutes per game (excluding the 2 games he was pulled early due to injury and played a combined 14 minutes).  In fact, take those 2 games out and among all SGs he's 16th in APG, 3th in SPG, 6th in SP48 (players over 15 MPG), and 6th in 3PM PG among all SGs.

     

    So on topic, Matthew's contract is 6 mil.  Who do you suggest he be traded for, and how does that affect our salary cap?

     

    Martin?  We need a locker room VET, not a locker room cancer.  And he doesn't play center.  And the jury will be out on Freeland or me untill the end of the season.


    I am not suggesting getting rid of Matthews but finding a player that can slide Matthews to the 6th man or at least be aggressive from that spot. Furthermore, Matthews is a fine defender and works hard so I was not trying to devalue that. However, his ball handling skills leave a lot to be desired. The reason he is so low in turnovers and assists directly relates to the lack time he is ask to handle the ball. What I was suggesting though is the two areas which we are weakest as a team are two areas in which Matthews really struggles assists and rebounds. 

    I wouldn't mind seeing Tony Allen brought in to pair with Matthews. It is hard to go wrong with one of the leagues hard workers and best defenders on your team.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/26/2012 9:57 AM

    As far as the comparisons to the Grizzlies goes it stops and ends with defense. 


    Tony Allen is one of the best defenders in the league, Mike Conley has improved a lot over the years and he forces a lot of turnovers. Randolph and Gasol are both solid with Marc being the better defender. Gay is not a great defender but that is why you play team defense. They are #2 in points allowed


    Rebounding is another area in which they are better than us. Z-BO has been a monster for them this year pulling in 12.8 boards per game. Add in Gasol, Gay and Speights and they usually win the rebounding battle, which is key to limiting second chance points.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/26/2012 10:47 AM

    We definitely need another big, shooting guard (6man) and another backup pt guard. The Greek guy (p........?) I'll learn to spell his name one day, is a really talented player. Meyers is at the closest, a year away form NBA maturity but probably 2. Right now there aren't great free agents out there. Our defense improved over our win streak but isn't close to where it should be. If defensive pt issues continue I still revisit my old thoughts on needing an upgrade at assistant coach...Bill Laimbeer, Patrick Ewing, someone who lives and breathes defense and can get Meyers up to NBA level. There just arent many marquis true centers out there. I do trust Neil to be working on addressing our deficiencies about now. He's been conspicuosly out of the lime light this month which I take as a good sign. Wes may not be an elite rebounder but he concentrates on shutting down the best shooters on the opposing team night in night out. Elite rebounders rarely defend the perimeter and Wes in one of the best at doing that. If Meyers Leonard wants to be a star center he should hire Olajuwan to work out next summer.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/26/2012 11:48 AM

    I disagree Wes can become a much better rebounder than he is. Just look at some of these elite or former elite defenders as evidence. 


    Rajon Rondo he is one of the best defenders in the league and he is averaging over 5 rebounds per game as a point guard.

    Kobe Bryant he is not the great defender he used to be but that does not stop him from bringing down 5.4 rebounds per game as a SG.

    Tony Allen is without a doubt one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and even he is out rebounding Matthews despite playing around 10-12 minutes less per game.

    Jason Kidd he made his career as a great perimeter defender among other things but that never stopped him from averaging over 6 rebounds per game in his career. Even at this point in his career he is still crushing Matthews in rebounding. 


    Lastly, Matthews is a solid defender and he tries hard but the numbers certainly do not suggest he is elite by any stretch.

    As you can see below Matthews is losing his match up most nights allowing a higher shoot percentage, more rebounds, more assists, more points and a higher PER. 

    Player 48-Minute Production by Position

    Position
    FGA
    eFG%
    FTA
    iFG
    Reb
    Ast
    T/O
    Blk
    PF
    Pts
    PER*
    PG
    SG
    15.9   .504   4.8   26%  4.0   3.4   1.9   .4   3.5   19.6   14.00 


    Opponent Counterpart 48-Minute Production

    Position
    FGA
    eFG%
    FTA
    iFG
    Reb
    Ast
    T/O
    Blk
    PF
    Pts
    PER*
    PG
    SG
    16.6   .536   4.9   28%  6.4   4.0   2.6   .6   3.6   21.9   17.3  



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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/26/2012 3:48 PM

    I think you are avoiding, if not ignoring stats that are counter to the point you're tying to make about Wes.

     

    There are 27 SGs who turn the ball over more per game, and Wes averages 37 minutes per game (excluding the 2 games he was pulled early due to injury and played a combined 14 minutes).

     

    In fact, take those 2 games out and among all SGs he's:

    16th in APG

    3th in SPG and 6th in SP48 (players over 15 MPG)

    6th in 3PM PG among all SGs.  (What shooting gaurds are 6th in 3PM

     

    If you're going to use Holinger stats, then you should accept that he places more value on a turn over being more costly than and assist is helpful.  Wes forces more turnovers while commiting fewer turnovers as good as the best SGs in the league... and his assist aren't terrible. 

     

    Teams that shoot as many 3s as Portland, simply aren't in possition to get as many rebounds.  On a corner 3, people aren't hanging around for a board, they're running back on defense to stop the fast break.  Of the teams shooting more 3s than Portland:  JR smith 4.9 RPG,  Harden 4.5 RPG, Kobe 5.4.  They all have a legit center.

     

    I'm kind of board with this whole Matthews conversation.  I understand you would like to bring someone to back up Wes.  A realiable back-up SG is definitely a need. Tony Allen is the starting SG for Memphis, making 3.3 mil this year, and well be 31 years of age next season, and an UFA.

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/26/2012 4:07 PM

    BORED.   As in, feel free to start a "Wes for 6th man" thread.

    The assumptions I made is that we need:

    A starting C

    A back up PG

    A back up SG

    A back up SF

    A back up C

     

    If we sign JJ, we could get by next season playing JJ at back up C, and a back up PF (Leonard and Freeland would fill out the roster there).

     

    If we sign JJ, I don't see us doing so for very much, leaving 8-9 mil in cap room to sign:

    A starting Center

    A back up SG

    A back up PG

     

    I don't think signing Allen is very likely, unless we go really cheap with an Old-Man Rivers back up center and continue to start JJ.  I think that if the Blazer could only make 1 move, aside from resigning JJ, it would be to get a starting 7 foot big man. 

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/26/2012 4:21 PM

    Hiring Olajuwan would be the best superstar aquisition this off-season that the Blazers could hope for.
  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/26/2012 6:12 PM

    lol idk if we did sign a c I'm kind of interested if jj would even wanna sign knowing he'll be a bench player 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/26/2012 9:44 PM

    I like our three rookies and think they have potential for big things down the road. Barton showed something tonight which was nice to see. Leonard has a lot to work on but he has a high ceiling. Lillard is already a stud so we got building blocks. 


    I love trading for draft picks because when you get them right it is very sweet to see. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/26/2012 11:24 PM

    Barton has a ways to go.  But not an utter liability.  He didn't make poor decision after poor decision.  You can almost see him fighting it.

     

    It still kills me to see Travis Outlaw, of all people, get an offensive rebound over Leonard, with 2 other Blazers standing under the rim as well, and Babbit boxing a guy out by fronting him... head scratching to say the least.

     

    Our bench still can't be counted on to hold a lead, even a 26 point lead.  It's painful, but hopefully they learn and take away at least something from this rare, Blazer, blow out win.

     

    Aside:  Minn lost to Houston, who was playing a back-2-back.  Twolves back at the bottom of the NW Div and out of the play offs if they started today.

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