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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/23/2012 12:29 PM

    There has been much talk on these boards on how to improve thru trade.  The problem is players have been named that cannot be traded.  So I think it is time to have an honest discussion on how to improve.

     

    First off, because of his contract Batum is off the trading block until next year as is JJ (because of Bird Rights), so that leaves the Blazers really with three options.  They are as follows:

     

    Aldridge – Probably not going to happen

    Matthews- He is really are only viable option to package with some of our bench.

    A note, Wes came hear and did whatever was asked of him and has showed what true commitment is all about.  He is really one of those old fashioned Blue Collar work ethic players that love his game before his paycheck.  Do we want to reward that loyalty and commitment by trading him?  Not my call, but I would question the intelligence of the Blazer Management by doing so?

     

    Or do we continue to improve thru the draft and free agency that fits within the salary cap without going over it and settle for being a team that has a chance of making the playoffs or a NBA Championship Contender? Again not my call!

     

    Yes, I agree we have a great nucleus of young talent and the question is, do we wait for them to “hopefully develop” or do we get serious about securing what we need in talent to have quality and adequate depth to be a Championship team?  Again, not my call!

     

    All opinions welcome!

     

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/23/2012 4:34 PM

    with the way our team has been improving with each game I don't think were really that far off from being a contending team and I think a couple bench pieces and a center can be secured through the free agent pool this year every trade I've seen would have to involve one of our core players hell I've seen some trade suggestions that would involve meyers leonard and I thought he was supposed to be our center of the future 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/23/2012 4:39 PM

    actually I would swap meyers leonard and maybe a second rounder for maybe vucevic I'd have to think real hard about it but so far he's doing great for a second year center but idk leonard has the athletic ability that I don't think I would wanna give up on yet 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 12:08 AM

    I would do this in a heartbeat

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:13 AM

    Meyers is on a rookie contract, 20 years old and was signed with the idea it'd be 2 years before he had an NBA game. Trading him makes no sense to me. Babbit and Smith have expiring contracts that are valuable trade chips. We can trade them along with Jeffreys and Price and keep our projects on the bottom of the bench without affecting our cap room. Will be interesting to see if Olshey makes a move by the deadline. I think a lot of people wanted Meyers to be Damian already and that experiment has proven he's not. I think Millsap could be had from Utah for Babbit and another piece. I would like to see our cap room saved to make a run at Eric Maynor or JJ Reddick in the offseason.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:35 AM

    Like it or not folks, I think we're stuck with what we got. I highly doubt we'll be moving any players by the trade deadline. As our front office is focusing on rebuilding itself, and not the team. We'll possibly be getting a good rookie next season (Kostas Papanikolaou), and might get a top 12 first round pick if we stink bad enough.

    Even though our team is playing above expectations right now, I'm not entirely sure the front office wants to figure out a playoff scheme this year, by attempting moves to improve the team mid-season. We have to accept the losing to be true Blazer fans. Shooting bricks.. er, I mean... Building bricks for the future.
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/24/2012 1:43 PM

    Posted By riverman on 12/24/2012 11:13 AM
    Meyers is on a rookie contract, 20 years old and was signed with the idea it'd be 2 years before he had an NBA game. Trading him makes no sense to me. Babbit and Smith have expiring contracts that are valuable trade chips. We can trade them along with Jeffreys and Price and keep our projects on the bottom of the bench without affecting our cap room. Will be interesting to see if Olshey makes a move by the deadline. I think a lot of people wanted Meyers to be Damian already and that experiment has proven he's not. I think Millsap could be had from Utah for Babbit and another piece. I would like to see our cap room saved to make a run at Eric Maynor or JJ Reddick in the offseason.

    reddick would be great off the bench 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 5:41 PM

    I love you riverman but you cant tell me you would be against the idea of trading Leoanrd and some second rounders for Nikolai Vucevic who is 7'0, 22 and on a 3 year 5 million dollar contract who is averaging 10pts and 10reb for the season (13 and 13 past 5 games)

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/24/2012 6:31 PM

    1. were not trading anyone,but Niklai vucevic sounds like a good deal, but would we really want another nikolai on our team? I mean isn't there a limit to how many nikolai's we can have on one team? Plus He's really hairy and ugly
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/24/2012 6:49 PM

    We need to upgrade Jeffries and let Meyers be the 3rd big guy until he develops. Its the 6-10 guys on the roster we need to upgrade in a lot of areas. To me Leonard is not ready yet and doesn't have that much trade value as well as a small contract. You could be right Sicollo but I don't think we need to trade rookies to upgrade.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/24/2012 7:44 PM

    Yeah but the chances of that trade is slim but I have a different opinion on finding a upgrade over Leonard. Not saying find an upgrade immediately but if a opportunity occurs then we should pull the trigger. We all have different mind set though


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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/24/2012 11:33 PM

    Posted By Siccolo on 12/24/2012 5:41 PM

    I love you riverman but you cant tell me you would be against the idea of trading Leoanrd and some second rounders for Nikolai Vucevic who is 7'0, 22 and on a 3 year 5 million dollar contract who is averaging 10pts and 10reb for the season (13 and 13 past 5 games)


    right only trade I'd really do involving leonard for the simple fact that we'd stay in the same age range and orlando isn't getting extraordinarily better anytime soon and they need draft picks i wonder if they'd do it for leonard and a second rounder it would be a significant upgrade not saying jj isn't a great player but he could be the x factor off the bench 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/25/2012 12:44 AM

    It would take Leonard and probably all 3 of our second rounders... 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/25/2012 9:11 AM

    Abolutely a great idea
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/25/2012 10:55 AM

    yeah its a good trade,I doubt Orlando would do it though,and to be honest who knows how good leanard is gonna be,maybe he'll be a decent center himself,I mean thats alot to give up but still he's 10 and 10 and only 22 so I doubt Orlando would want to do that,he's the only main piece from the dwight howard trade
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/25/2012 11:57 AM

    What would be nice would be grabbing a starting center by trading for him WITHOUT giving up core pieces. Im not sure if its possible but maybe absorb a contract andgive a bunch pieces. We would have more options with our cap space. 

    If we can mkae a package surrounding Babbit, Nolan, Jeffries, Claver, Freeland, Price annd grab a starting center we can use the cap space on JJ Hickson, and maybe 2-3 quality bench guys like Aaron Brooks/Nick Young/Tony Allen

    but if we cant find a decent starting center we would have to throw a lot of money at a center who usually get huge contracts, we might not have enough space to sign Hickson or other bench players.

    Centers that we could look at are : Samuel Dalembert, Timofey Mozgov, Spencer Hawes, Robin Lopez

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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 12/26/2012 12:15 AM

    I really don't see a reason for trading any main pieces (or anyone for that matter without expiring contracts), the obvious biggest problem with this team is consistent bench production. I love Sasha, really think he fits the system and can play both the 2 & 3 very well (fundemental, and sees the game very well) but he is not a sixth man or a guy off the bench who can come in and shoot lights out and give us some offensive push. And he's been playing that role but that's just not the kind of players he is, which I think we really need.
     
    A lot of people focus so much on how poorly we have played defensively, and call me crazy, but in my opinion this team works based off an offensive mentality first, a) the team itself being youthful and b) coach Stotts having an offensive mentality. There is nothing wrong with an offensive system that works that way, but in a system like this, the offense often dictates how the defense performs. With offensive flow and movement, efficiency, & rythym, that usually has shown to dictate the defensive stance we put up.

    In the 2nd and 3rd quarters, when we plug in our bench players, our team has a lot of points where they can't buy a bucket. There are nights when they really show something strong, but for the most part it's kind of like "who is gonna show up tonight" very random, not consistent at all. And that can put a strain on how you perform on defense as a team, when all you're mentally thinking about is, "Wow we need to get better looks than this, I need to make some shots for this team cuz we're losing this battle" and trying to take on too much pressure when you're not that kind of player (yet... for the young'ns like Barton & Claver)

    This team needs 1 or 2 good/great bench players to come in and show up, through draft or free agency. Anything else is pretty early to jump the gun to say that Meyers won't develop or we can't win with JJ. We're already putting up a great fight and this is a completely new team. It's one step at a time and the first problem is that bench. If next year (after we picked up those bench pieces) & we're losing and not playing well, THEN I think maybe it's time to start thinking trade and overhaul of some main pieces. But right now we still haven't seen this team really get going.

    We'll have enough cap room next year to make some significant moves for free agent bench production. And now that Olshey has got his Portland sea legs he can now get a good idea of which players would fit better than others and start to make some bigger moves.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/26/2012 6:29 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 12/25/2012 11:57 AM

    What would be nice would be grabbing a starting center by trading for him WITHOUT giving up core pieces. Im not sure if its possible but maybe absorb a contract andgive a bunch pieces. We would have more options with our cap space. 

    If we can mkae a package surrounding Babbit, Nolan, Jeffries, Claver, Freeland, Price annd grab a starting center we can use the cap space on JJ Hickson, and maybe 2-3 quality bench guys like Aaron Brooks/Nick Young/Tony Allen

    but if we cant find a decent starting center we would have to throw a lot of money at a center who usually get huge contracts, we might not have enough space to sign Hickson or other bench players.

    Centers that we could look at are : Samuel Dalembert, Timofey Mozgov, Spencer Hawes, Robin Lopez


    Yea it would be nice to have Aaron Brooks back in the state playing for us, versus with the Kings and  killing us.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/28/2012 12:36 AM

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cew6dg6


    This trade would be very helpful. Maybe throw a couple second rounders to Milwaukee, even though they dont play Dalembert.

    Then we can have Dalembert come off the bench. Then have lineups like, Lamarcus and Dalembert ,Hickson and Dalembert, and maybe even have Leonard and Dalembert play together.

    No Claver and Freeland will open minutes to Leonard, Babbit, Sasha, Barton, and Dalembert lolololol

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/28/2012 4:52 AM

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cmtga9y

    this would be a pretty sick trade love hickson and all but this trade would give us a strong front court 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/28/2012 10:08 AM

    Posted By BLASER on 12/28/2012 4:52 AM
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cmtga9y

    this would be a pretty sick trade love hickson and all but this trade would give us a strong front court 


    Interesting that such a great trade actually cost us a win. It just goes to show how valuable JJ has been to this team. 

    Now this would be a great trade http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cxn6g55

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/28/2012 11:59 AM

    Well I doubt that Hickson will want to go back to the Cavs he can veto any trade...also Id rather have him that Varjao.

    Cmeese trade would be the best trade ever lol but no way Cav accept

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/28/2012 1:36 PM

    I just do not see the value of trading JJ right now unless we get a premium offer and Varejo is not enough for me

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 12/28/2012 2:18 PM

    We should keep JJ (around 7M ) and get Jermanine Oneal (this season 7.1ppg, 4.5reb, 1,5blk, 16,8mpg) from Phoenix, he has experience,  a good defender and also scores some points, he would be the big man blazers need. There is also a FA guard, Jordan Farmar that would be a good shooter coming of the bench, something that we dont have.
  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/28/2012 3:03 PM

    Only thing to do with JJ once again is pass him the ball and get out of his way! My hope with JJ is that he's really buying in to the system and culture in Portland. He is playing for a contract this season. There are not that many great young double double machines out there for his price.
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  1. knorton181
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    Posted 12/28/2012 3:52 PM

    I like what Nuno suggested a lot, but it can be hard to keep a guy like Jermaine under control often. & I think we could get better than Farmar but yeah agreed in terms of where/what to improve upon. Jermaine's style, age, etc would actually be a good fit. But only if he can fit in well.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/28/2012 4:54 PM

    I agree Jermaine would be really great for us. I thought the same about Famar but then no other NBA team even has interest in him so I dont think we should... 


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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/29/2012 4:17 PM

    Jermaine has historically had a hard time staying on the court. Call me paranoid about injury prone big guys but he's on that list with Kamen, Bynum, Bogut, Pryzbilla and many more

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 12/29/2012 5:15 PM

    there are much more options, oneal is just one of them...

    Mahinmi (Pacers), Haywood (Bobcats), Petro(Hawks), Sanders(Bucks) or even Hawes(Sixers)

     are other examples

  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/29/2012 5:31 PM

    only one out of that bunch I'd really take would be sanders 2bh 

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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 12/29/2012 6:02 PM

    Can everyone just be honest with themselves and realize that no one really wants a player from our bench? I highly doubt that any team would be enticed by the likes of Victor Claver or a Luke Babbitt. The only option of pulling something off would be trading either LA or Wesley. I think Wesley is too productive for the money he gets to trade him off. We could trade LA but I really feel like we wouldn't get much value in return at this moment in time. Of course I did run LA and Nolan Smith through a trade to Washington for Nene and John Wall. Granted I highly doubt they would pull that trade since they lose their star guard.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/29/2012 8:26 PM

    Trade for what, and why?  How does that make Portland better?  Noone has any rational answers.

     

    That espn trade machine was the worst app ever invented. "Hey, this trade worked.  I need to make a post about it."   This isn't your kid's NBA2k13.  There are real world variables involved.

     

    I think the Blazers should move to Seattle, because they haven't won a championship in Portland since '77. Let's all discuss this, and keep posting threads about it. This is how you make the team better. I used this app, and it told me how the money works perfectly. Who's with me?!?!?!

  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/29/2012 9:31 PM

    The value in Luke and Nolan is the fact they have expiring contracts.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/30/2012 1:27 AM

    Dont we have the ability to absorb a bigger contract without giving equal amount of money in contracts??


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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/31/2012 4:18 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 12/30/2012 1:27 AM

    Dont we have the ability to absorb a bigger contract without giving equal amount of money in contracts??


    After the trade, if the Blazer's salary puts them over the cap ($58 mil), they can only take back 125% + $100,000 of the salary of the player or players traded.  Trading 2 players away in the same trade allows you to combine their salaries for the purposes of taking back salary.  For instance, two $5 mil contracts would allow you to take back one $12.6 mil contract ($10 x 125% + $100,000).  A team cannot complete a trade if it leaves them with more than 15 players. - CBAFAQ

  1. BDawg
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    Posted 12/31/2012 6:10 AM

    Agree with Fanatic.  Trade talk invariably reduces a thread to unintelligible banter.  John Wall?  Are you sure he's going to play basketball again, nevermind at the level necessary to even make such a scenario plausible?  Dude is down for the count.  Players must pass physicals to complete trades.  Varejao?  He's averaged roughly 25 games/season since '09 and is sitting again.  V is 30 years old, and the Wallace-like manner in which he has become famous for playing the game is now likely closing out his career.  C'mon guys.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/31/2012 11:08 AM

    I'm glad Neil Olshey has this problem to solve. I also trust that he's very capable of making the right decisions. We'll know a lot more about possiblilties as the deadline for trades approaches and I'm sure GMs are on the phone constantly now with just a few weeks left. What I do know is that our bench has some players that we don't need and some we should keep. I also have hope for Elliot Williams to be a factor next season. He's been fragile but he's really talented and still young. Minny is going to shed salary, so are the Clippers. Those are two teams I think that will want to trade. OKC is another small market team that will need to shed salary. One thing I do know from my own experiences is that it takes a minimum of 6 months to put together a tight unit whether it's sports, dance, theater, music or whatever and we've been at this project for about half that time now.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/31/2012 11:34 AM

    Portland needs to make some trades simple as that, which is why it is important to talk about. There is nothing wrong with nonsensical fanboy trades. We are not the GM so what we say has zero impact on the direction the team takes. If your unable to determine what is a realistic trade offer and what is just fanboyism then ask politely or just move on to the next post. 


    This team needs a brand new bench this is one of the few things I will agree with Fanatic about. Therefore, that means the following people should be used to acquire assets.


    Nolan Smith- taking him over Faried still haunts me and his play has not warranted a spot as the teams back up PG. His trade value is low so best move might be just to let him walk this summer. Otherwise see if we can't net another second round pick. 


    Ronnie Price- he has been a bust but unlike Nolan we have him for another two seasons. He does not make a ton of money but he also has no place in the future of this team. He needs to be dealt before the deadline. 


    Luke Babbitt- Luke has some fans in Portland and his perimeter shooting has some value but Luke is not athletic enough to play SF and not big enough to be an effective PF. On defense he is a huge liability. Luke should have some moderate trade value. Adding a piece like Eric Bledsoe, Iman Shumpert, or Avery Bradley for a package involving Babbitt would be ideal. However, the availability of any of those three guards is highly questionable. 


    Elliot Williams is injured and would lose his bird rights in any trade. This means he is virtually unmovable, a summer sign and trade, resigning for minimum or letting him go via free agency our on only options with mini Oden.


    Sasha Pavlovic- I like his game a lot but he has hardly played consistently well enough for him not to end up on this list. He has skills and therefore should have some value via trade. 


    Jared Jeffries- I wish I knew what happened to the man from New York cause he is just not the same player. I am worried he has severely hurt his trade value with poor play this year. Since he has a multi-year contract trading him should be a priority.


    Joel Freeland- We missed the ball badly not trading him after his great Olympics. He could have likely netted us a low first round pick now his value has dropped significantly and his 3 million a year salary is looking like a liability. 


    Victor Claver- We are 0-2 this year on our Europe players. He has some talent but there are much better long term prospects out there. He is another player that had more value this summer than he does now. 


    JJ Hickson- He is probably our most attractive trade piece and could net us at least one first round draft pick. JJ has a no trade clause that would need to be waived for any deal to happen but if we determine we cannot afford him then getting value for him at the deadline will be important. 


    This draft class is not getting any love which should devalue the draft picks for this draft. There is plenty of talent to be had and Portland would be wise to collect picks if they can. 


    Players to watch for in 2013 draft:

    C Alex Len- he is developing some solid offensive moves, he is an effort guy who fights hard for post position and to deny post position and post entry passes on defense. He is a decent rebounder and shot blocker and has the agility to be a solid pick and roll defender at the next level. He loves setting screens but needs to calm down at times to avoid offensive fouls when setting picks. He also needs to keep the ball up more while in the post to avoid unnecessary turn overs. He could very well end up the number 1 pick, which would certainly keep him out of our range but if he falls Portland should consider him.


    Shabazz Muhammad- I love this kid and think Portland would be wise to do whatever it took to draft him. He is a maximum effort guy and natural scorer. He tends to go left too often and he needs to look at getting his teammates involved more on offense. His jump shot still needs a little work and he needs to improve his dribble penetration. His game is raw still but he has the ability to take over a game and his work ethic and skill set remind me of a young Kobe Bryant.  


    Tony Mitchell- His team has struggled a bit so far this season and Tony's perimeter shot has abandoned him a little bit early on. However, the dude is beast on the boards,  he works hard every night and is an excellent defender. He can play the SF and PF spots equally well. He is 6'8" with a 7'3 wingspan, which he uses to block a lot of shots and force a ton of turnovers. His game reminds me a lot of Kenyon Martin. 


    Andre Roberson- This dude is a beast on the glass averaging over 12 rebounds a game from the SF spot. He is an aggressive help defender who loves terrorizing the passing lanes. His offensive game needs refined but his work ethic and tireless effort during games makes him a valuable piece to any team.


    CJ McCollum- he is underrated defender and an amazing scorer. He is the ultimate mid-major player which should help keep his draft stock low enough that Blazers could have a shot of picking him up. At the very least his offensive skills remind me a lot of Patty Mills. For a team that needs scoring off the bench he would be a major acquisition.

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/31/2012 11:55 AM

    Interesting comment cmeese...one point you made about having zero effect on GMs decisions, probably right there but I think fans reactions to Raymond Felton last season did impact the front office's view of him. Thanks for the Players to watch for section there. I haven't followed the draft class this season and this gives me some points of reference.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/31/2012 12:03 PM

    The reactions might of had some small influence but I think his poor play overall and the teams lack of production mattered more. People loved Gerald Wallace and we traded him away. No problem on the draft picks. I tried to find a nice balance between high middle and low first rounders. With some flexibility the Blazers could acquire at least two of those players mentioned.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 12/31/2012 1:19 PM

    Re:  Raymond Felton...certainly when he challenged the entire city of Potland to a fight and gave out his address on Portland radio, that was likely recognized by the organization as not image friendly.

    @river...also keep your eyes on Michigan's Tim Hardaway Jr.  He's out for the first time in his 3 year collegiate career with a rt ankle sprain, but should return soon. 

    @cmeese...not a big fan of Shabazz.  Like Mitchell however.

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/31/2012 1:20 PM

    Well we are 15 in the league right now so we wouldn't EVEN be in the lottery, correct??

    This is why we should try to get into the playoffs right now. There are some FA that we can look at if we look to clear some roster spots.

    Kenyon Martin, Krylo Fesenko, Mike Bibby, Terrance Williams, Al Thorton, Chris Johnson


    We do have 3 second rounders too, so maybe teams we would look at us. Maybeee

    Sasha/ Babbit/ Jeffries  and a second rounder for Marshon Brooks, or Courtney Lee, or Dejuan Blair

    Maybe Sasha and 2 second rounders for Ekpe Udoh

    LOL Im  probably over valuing Sasha and Babitt and Jeffries


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  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 12/31/2012 1:41 PM

    @Siccolo We currently owe our second round pick to Denver this year unless that pick falls within the the top 40.  Which leaves us with Boston and Minnesota's second round picks. Additionally right now we would fail to make the playoffs which would put us in the lottery, however, unless we moved up in the draft would mean that Charlotte would get the 13th pick in the draft. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
    Blazer Fanatic
    Posts: 758

    Posted 12/31/2012 2:06 PM

    RE: There is nothing wrong with nonsensical fanboy trades.

    I disagree. There are three things, "wrong - nonsensical - fanboy." Wrong, like talking in our in a class when the teacher is instructing, honking your horn while trolling in and out of suburbs at midnight, going potty with the seat down, just because you can. Non-sensical, like raising skunks in your spare bed room, or picking up a rattle snake like it was a Voodoo donut, or jumping into a lake after you cut a hole in the ice, just because you can. Fanboy, being obsessed with an element of video or electronic culture, such as a game, sci-fi movie, comic or anime, obsessed with that fantasy of being GM, not the reality of what the Blazers are actually capable of doing to improve the team.

    I am not suggesting everything someone posts is "wrong, nonsensical, fanboy" fodder. I am saying that the one's that are constitute trolling. If you want to be taken seriously when you post, why not stick to reality and things that make sense?

     

    Like this:

    Posted 12/31/2012 1:41 PM

    @Siccolo We currently owe our second round pick to Denver this year unless that pick falls within the the top 40. Which leaves us with Boston and Minnesota's second round picks. Additionally right now we would fail to make the playoffs which would put us in the lottery, however, unless we moved up in the draft would mean that Charlotte would get the 13th pick in the draft.

  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 12/31/2012 2:48 PM

    How about I post whatever I want and Fanatic you try to dictate what other people want to discuss. This is an open forum for Blazer fans not your personal blog. You have no control over what is posted here. If you find a comment to be trolling and a violation of the forum rules then flag it and let the moderators decide. 


    Otherwise feel free to debate the subject without insulting people because they do not believe exactly as you do. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 12/31/2012 2:49 PM

    Try not to 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posts: 777

    Posted 12/31/2012 3:21 PM

    Agreed
    I am a fan of WES, the heart and soul of the Blazers.
  1. cmeese47
    cmeese47
    Posts: 2735

    Posted 12/31/2012 4:45 PM

    Want another nonsensical trade the Blazers could trade any combination of players on their roster for Lebron James and they would be a lot closer to being a title contender than they are now. The only problem is Miami would not trade Lebron for anything so there is that.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. joe.k
    joe.k
    Posts: 14

    Posted 12/31/2012 5:04 PM

    or... they could kidnap lebron and make him play for them... that's prob more likely!

    but i get your point!

    I am a fan of Finding our new Brandon Roy - Thanks Damian!
  1. Blazer Fanatic
    Blazer Fanatic
    Posts: 758

    Posted 12/31/2012 6:04 PM

    LA and Matthews for Howard

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b6hrllm

     

    Howard, Hickson, Batum, Barton, Lillard.  What's wrong with the Blazers!  DO IT!

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