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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/17/2012 10:14 PM

    well yeah,I mean who in there right mind would wanna trade batum unless of course somebody made a crazy offer that we couldnt refuse
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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/17/2012 10:31 PM

    why are we even comparing batum and matthews anyway? Whats the deal with that?
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/18/2012 6:01 AM

    To point out who plays more consistent.  Wes vs. Nico.  Looking at the game by game log, it would be Wes,
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/18/2012 11:01 AM

    I would argue Batum is the more consistent player. Matthews may have scored more per game and always played hard but to do so he just continued to jack up shots. While I hate that Batum stops shooting when he gets cold sometimes that is better than continue to jack up brick after brick. Neither one has been very consistent through their careers. 


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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/18/2012 11:22 AM

    We will see Thursday night.  If both LA and Wes are out this will mean Batum has to step up big time. 

    Question is what is worse?  If the shots are not falling stop shooting or Shoot shots until they go in?  Interesting question?

     

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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 12/20/2012 10:51 PM

    Well, Batum had a better night shooting in comparison to Wesley against the Nuggets. If you compare the shooting percentages then you see that Batum's percentage is slightly better but not by much. Honestly, Batum hasn't been consistent most of the time but neither has Wesley or anyone on the blazer roster for that matter. Oh and both players played a valuable role tonight in the win.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/20/2012 11:01 PM

    I don't want this to turn into an "I told you so."  I still expect more from Batum and he could be shooting better.  But we don't win vs Den without him.  In fact, we don't win alot of games without him many.  I just took issue with the trade and contract talk, and calling Batum mentally-weak. 
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/20/2012 11:30 PM

    Batum was solid tonight but this was Jj's night also we lose badly if Denver hits anything from beyond the arc. I will take what I can get and 22 points is not bad Batum
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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/21/2012 12:40 AM

    he had a good game both him and jj and what about babbit with his 14 and 8 statline too? 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/21/2012 8:30 AM

    As I have said Mentally weak means Lack Mental Toughness.

    Yes he had a good production game last night however the rest of his stats were off.  As you said he could do more.  Basically what I would like to see Batum do is to play on both sides of the ball, offense and defense the same time.

    To say that we do not win a lot of games without him is a little extreme.  Wasn't it you that said it was team game?

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/21/2012 8:37 AM

    Blazer Fanatic

     

    I do not know what happend to my post so I am re-posting it.

     

    As I have said, mentally weak means Lack of Mental Toughness.

    Yes he had a good game as far as production goes, however the rest of his stats were off.  As you said he could do more.  Basically what I would like to see is Batum playing on both sides of the ball, offense and defense at the same time.

     

    To say we do not win a lot of games without him is a little extreme. Remember all those games we won when he did not show up?  Wasn’t it you that said this is a team game?

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/21/2012 10:04 AM

    Maniac it is time to relax man. Batum scored tonight and helped the team win that way. He is not Lebron and will not post 20, 8 and 8 every night. If the team keeps on winning you do not single out anyone for bad play. If that player sucks keep note of it and when the next time the team gets blown out then you can blast away. 

    At this point of the season being 12-12 with inconsistent play all around expect JJ and a lesser degree Lillard is something I would consider a Christmas miracle. 

    I am a pessimist but the constant complaining is even starting to get to me. We should be happy that our message boards has passionate beautiful women who understand basketball and are willing to come on share their opinions with us boys. 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/21/2012 10:20 AM

    Point Taken, I did not see her photo, now that i look at it WOW.  Not to sound sexist that is not my intent.  MY ego gets inthe way of me at times and I tend to beat a subject into the ground and then some.  Time to move on withone caveat, if his game goes to crap, then it will be time to rise from the dead.

    You are right she has good basketball knowledge and passion for the team although her and IK may disagree, I respect her opinion.,

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/21/2012 11:04 AM

    I am glad to hear it and I am sure she will be as well. Your discussions on both sides were starting to get personal and away from basketball. For now lets just enjoy that the team is winning. 

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/21/2012 12:54 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 12/21/2012 8:37 AM

     

    To say we do not win a lot of games without him is a little extreme. Remember all those games we won when he did not show up?  Wasn’t it you that said this is a team game?



    Perhaps, and yes, it is a team game.  And I absolutely agree Batum has had some bad games.  This is a very young team with a very weak bench, a rookie PG, 8 new players (5 who have never played in the NBA), and a 6'9 starting center.  This isn't felton, craword, wallace... ect.  Just try and step back a bit before we start asking for heads to roll.  And yes, losing to Wash, Det, and Sac... even that Phx game, still bugs me.  But come on ya'll, patience please.  Come season's end, if you feel obligated to blow up Batum for a mediocre year, I'll be there with you frustrated, and wanting answers.
  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/21/2012 1:28 PM

    honestly most of the problem I'm pretty sure is because we have a rookie pg starting he's great and is gonna be an all star one day but it's all about gelling and learning where and when to set certain guys up at and also this is a new system too there slowly looking like there gelling together more and more as the season goes on so hopefully these inconsistencies will be cut down a little more by the end of the season 

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 12/21/2012 1:32 PM

    oh and just because a player gets a bigger pay raise doesn't mean he's gonna become an automatic beast he's essentially the same player he was last year with a larger pay raise and some added improvments like he has literally gotten rid of his disappearing acts and finds other ways to contribute when his shot isn't falling witch I think is a big step in the right direction that we want to see he has shown some flashes of being able to take over a game too hopefully he will continue to improve and become a more consistent player as the season goes on 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/23/2012 9:20 AM

    Batum with a near triple double last night was nice to see. His shot is still not falling but he is doing other things to help and I like that. Since I said I would not blast anyone after a win, I will just mention that Batum has to do better than 7 TO, he is much better than that. 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/23/2012 9:42 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 12/23/2012 9:20 AM

    Batum with a near triple double last night was nice to see. His shot is still not falling but he is doing other things to help and I like that. Since I said I would not blast anyone after a win, I will just mention that Batum has to do better than 7 TO, he is much better than that. 



    Agreed, as Mike Rice said last night if we would have had 10 TO's it would have been a quadruple double which is something he would not want to be known for.
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/23/2012 10:13 AM

    I don't want Batum trading assists for turnovers.  I think Batum's issue may be that he tries TOO hard.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/23/2012 10:46 AM

    I was more impressed by his rebounding than anything else. Of all the issues I have ever had with Batum his unwillingness or at least the appearance of unwillingness to rebound has been my biggest issue. 

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/23/2012 11:18 AM

    Batum is strong all around,even when his shots dont fall he finds other ways to contribute and hes a shut down defender who can defend multiple posistions,what happened with matthews last nite,he only played like 9 min?
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/23/2012 11:27 AM

    For Wes he aggevated his Hip again.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/24/2012 8:58 PM

    I would not call Batum a shut down defender he is solid and has range but he is not a shut down defender.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/27/2012 9:39 AM

    Solid game tonight Batum but I wish you would figure out this distributer thing all ready as these turnovers are killing me if we wanted 6 turnovers a night we would have signed Jeremy Lin.

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/27/2012 10:18 AM

    Sign Jeremy lin instead of Batum?
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/29/2012 11:12 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 12/27/2012 9:39 AM

    Solid game tonight Batum but I wish you would figure out this distributer thing all ready as these turnovers are killing me if we wanted 6 turnovers a night we would have signed Jeremy Lin.



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  1. CarlJ1
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    Posted 12/30/2012 1:38 AM

    So I guess you want the old Batum who sits in the corner and shoots three's all day? come on now he's trying to expand his game he probably knows that he needs to clean up the turnovers and just like you I hope he does I'm just glad he trying to do other things besides shoot 3'.

     

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/30/2012 8:59 AM

    Batum can all around ball,as soon as he expands his offensive game,he'll be a all-star if he's not already
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/30/2012 9:26 AM

    Batum has taken better care of the ball the last few games and I appreciate that. He is currently 3rd for forwards in turnovers per game which needs to improve but I will take progress as it comes. Batum becoming a Point Forward could very well help this team down the road.

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/30/2012 11:16 AM

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2012/12/blazers_insider_with_his_all-around_game_nicolas_b.html

     

    Blazers Insider: With his all-around game, Nicolas Batum just might be the Trail Blazers' best player

    Jason Quick - Oregonian

     

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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/30/2012 11:28 AM

    Nic has a little Magic Johnson in him after all! Thanks for the link!
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/30/2012 7:49 PM

    Pippen. ; )
  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 12/31/2012 9:54 AM

    I've been saying Pippen-like since 2010
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 12/31/2012 10:45 AM

    Pippen comparisons are probably closer but I was referring to his ability to play multiple positions and take on whatever role is needed in a given game. To me Magic was the master of that skill so there's an element of exagerration in my comparison.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/31/2012 1:50 PM

    Batum has some similar skills to Pippen but he has miles to go before he gets there. First of all Pippen was a 10 time NBA All Defense player Batum is not even close to that level defensively yet. Additionally, his rebounding while improved is still miles behind Pippen. His passing has also improved but once again he is not near Pippen's level. 


    With some time Batum could warrant these comparisons but right now he is miles away from the player Pippen was at this point of his career.

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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 12/31/2012 2:04 PM

    "With some time Batum could warrant these comparisons but right now he is miles away from the player Pippen was at this point" - cmeese

    I would agree, adding that Scottie Pippen is a Top 50 All-Time NBA Player. 

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 12/31/2012 2:19 PM

    Well I thought when people compared players they compared

    Style of Play and Physical Features

    not

    Actual Talents and Level of play

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 12/31/2012 3:05 PM

    Size wise Batum and Pippen were pretty similar but Pippen was a lot stronger. There style of play is becoming similar but Pippen was the far more aggressive player. 


    Pippen is an ideal player to emulate but I still think Batum has a ways to go not matter the comparison.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 12/31/2012 3:26 PM

    Agreed, Pippen was much more agressive in his game than Batum and I think you are absolutely right that Batum has a long way to go to get there.  Plus Pippen was physically built stronger, he weighed in between 225 to 230 and Batum is 200 Pounds. 
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  1. joe.k
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    Posted 12/31/2012 5:06 PM

    I actually became a blazer fan thru pippen, he was and is my favorite player of all time. as for batum, besides for the physical stature, he also doesnt handle the ball like pippen did. Do you guys remember when year after year, Mo cheeks realized midway through the season that Damon Stoudamire was better at the 2 with Pippen bringing up the ball... 

    Batum isn't taking away ball-handling duties from lillard yet... if/when he does, then we can start comparing (or at least measuring where Batum is up to in terms of Pippen

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  1. joe.k
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    Posted 12/31/2012 5:11 PM

    Posted By schwabbii on 12/06/2012 10:21 PM

    I really don't mind the critiques on Batum. Scoring wise he has been rather inconsistent. But like we debated before, how about we share the critiques equally? I don't remember one post on this message board about the inconsistency of Wesley Matthews and how he is a streaky player. As Blazer Fanatic stated above, he is doing decently well. It doesn't have to always be about the scoring. Am I drinking the Batum Kool-aid? Perhaps. But I also am not about to bash a player who has indeed improved and is helping this team be semi-competitive. 


    maybe this is my own theory abt batum, but hear me out. he's inconsistent by choice. I mean, remember that time he went for 10 assists (the 5 by 5 game), if you remember, he wasn't even looking to shoot. he had tons of opportunities but he wanted to have assists that game. See the thing with Batum is that he is very talented and he knows that, btu unlike us where we thinkhe needs to score consistenly to be good, he thinks, "ill be good in whatever category i want tonight". He doesn't seem to care about his scoring average or things liek that. Does it drive me crazy... yes. But let's all agree that he has become a weapon this year, in many different ways.


    (oh and dont forget, he has yet to go a season without drastically improving... and he just turned 24...!!)

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/31/2012 5:45 PM

    Posted By riverman on 12/31/2012 10:45 AM
    Pippen comparisons are probably closer but I was referring to his ability to play multiple positions and take on whatever role is needed in a given game. To me Magic was the master of that skill so there's an element of exagerration in my comparison.


    I am ok with both comparisons, however exagerated they may be.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 12/31/2012 5:52 PM

    Posted By joe.k on 12/31/2012 5:11 PM
    Posted By schwabbii on 12/06/2012 10:21 PM

    I really don't mind the critiques on Batum. Scoring wise he has been rather inconsistent. But like we debated before, how about we share the critiques equally? I don't remember one post on this message board about the inconsistency of Wesley Matthews and how he is a streaky player. As Blazer Fanatic stated above, he is doing decently well. It doesn't have to always be about the scoring. Am I drinking the Batum Kool-aid? Perhaps. But I also am not about to bash a player who has indeed improved and is helping this team be semi-competitive. 


    maybe this is my own theory abt batum, but hear me out. he's inconsistent by choice. I mean, remember that time he went for 10 assists (the 5 by 5 game), if you remember, he wasn't even looking to shoot. he had tons of opportunities but he wanted to have assists that game. See the thing with Batum is that he is very talented and he knows that, btu unlike us where we thinkhe needs to score consistenly to be good, he thinks, "ill be good in whatever category i want tonight". He doesn't seem to care about his scoring average or things liek that. Does it drive me crazy... yes. But let's all agree that he has become a weapon this year, in many different ways.

    (oh and dont forget, he has yet to go a season without drastically improving... and he just turned 24...!!)

    He shooting % isn't as high as what I expect from him, but he's finding other ways to contribute and having fun and competing.  He is clearly working very hard on both ends of the floor. And despite his lower FG%, there still plenty of crow to be served even this early in the season.

     

    You made a great point about his ball handling duties.  With Matthews out, in the Phili game, he should have been playing the 2 IMO, rather than playing the 3, and helped Lillard up the court who was being double teamed at half court every trip.  If they are gonna force the ball out of Lillard's hands, sweet, adjust and have batum bring the ball up.  See how they like them apples. 

  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/01/2013 2:07 PM

    "This season, he is one of five players in the league averaging at least 16 points, five rebounds, four assists, one steal and one block, joining OKC Thunder forward Kevin Durant, Miami Heat forward LeBron James, Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and Thunder guard Russell Westbrook..."  Jeff Zillgitt, USA TODAY sports

    Interesting article and a good read.  Thought I'd share...

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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/01/2013 2:47 PM

    Posted By BDawg on 01/01/2013 2:07 PM

    "This season, he is one of five players in the league averaging at least 16 points, five rebounds, four assists, one steal and one block, joining OKC Thunder forward Kevin Durant, Miami Heat forward LeBron James, Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and Thunder guard Russell Westbrook..."  Jeff Zillgitt, USA TODAY sports

    Interesting article and a good read.  Thought I'd share...



    I sincerily hope we've all learned a valuable lesson, and moved on from calling people dumb for using Batum's name in the same sentence as Kobe and Lebron. Nice article BDawg.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/02/2013 12:21 PM

    Posted By BDawg on 01/01/2013 2:07 PM

    "This season, he is one of five players in the league averaging at least 16 points, five rebounds, four assists, one steal and one block, joining OKC Thunder forward Kevin Durant, Miami Heat forward LeBron James, Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant and Thunder guard Russell Westbrook..."  Jeff Zillgitt, USA TODAY sports

    Interesting article and a good read.  Thought I'd share...

    Occured to me Westbrook and Kobe are not avg 1 BLK PG.  He quoted basketball-referense.com.  Someone made a mistake somewhere.

     

    Batum's averages and NBA rank:

    PPG (16.4 - 36th), APG (4.4 - 47th), SPG (1.55 - 23rd tied with Lebron), BPG (1.17 - 34th), 3PMPG (2.25 - 6th), RPG (5.7 - tied for 73rd)

    TO PG (2.7 - tied for 29th worst, fewer than KD, Lebron, Kobe, Westbrook), MPG (38.3 - tied for 6th)

    FT% (.865 - 37th for over 20 fts attempted and 20 games played)

     

     

    He's also 5th in 3PM.

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    Posted 01/03/2013 8:54 AM

    You have the most fragile ego I've seen on the internet.  And that's saying something....It's really comical now.

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    Posted 01/03/2013 9:20 AM

    How about we all just talk about basketball and the String Theory that surrounds it. (Possibilities!) Choices we make or would like to see made for the success of our favorite team are many and varied. If we disagree about the fine pts of caps and players values, we can support our own ideas here without dissecting the thoughts of other fans. In the end it's Paul Allen's money. Neli Olshey's decisions. There are limits to what we can do next season but the possibilities are endless. Next season the money figures will change so there's no need to think in 1952 dollars when it's 2013. Seeing as the Blazers are the common ground here there's no need to attack someone's character that in all probability you probably don't know. Sometimes a simple, "that's interesting" is sufficient to voice disagreement. Just saying....
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    Posted 01/03/2013 10:47 AM

    Posted By riverman on 01/03/2013 9:20 AM
    How about we all just talk about basketball and the String Theory that surrounds it. (Possibilities!) Choices we make or would like to see made for the success of our favorite team are many and varied. If we disagree about the fine pts of caps and players values, we can support our own ideas here without dissecting the thoughts of other fans. In the end it's Paul Allen's money. Neli Olshey's decisions. There are limits to what we can do next season but the possibilities are endless. Next season the money figures will change so there's no need to think in 1952 dollars when it's 2013. Seeing as the Blazers are the common ground here there's no need to attack someone's character that in all probability you probably don't know. Sometimes a simple, "that's interesting" is sufficient to voice disagreement. Just saying....

    great post

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