Who do we target in 2013 with our cap space?
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  1. Igloo
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    Posted 12/03/2012 4:35 AM

    I've made a list of 3 or so players, by position, that fit in well with us / I like / we can afford:

    PG - Mo Williams / Eric Maynor / Jarrett Jack
    SG - JJ Redick / Tony Allen / Tyreke Evans
    SF - Chase Budinger / Omri Casspi
    PF - Tyler Hansborough / DeJuan Blair / Jeff Pendergraph
    C - Chris Kaman / Robin Lopez / Ekpe Udoh

    I believe we should get a legitimate backup PF or C and a legitimate backup PG, and hope we can also snag a bench scorer (a la Redick).

    I am a fan of Lillard, Leonard and our strong core leading us back to the top!
  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 12/03/2012 8:09 PM

    First thing i would do would be to re-sign jj. he deserves the contract and he's played his best b-ball in a blazers uni. second i would look to get a solid C and move jj to the second unit so they can focus on getting him his shot. (nearly all his points he gets on his own). If that isn't possible i would be more than fine just getting another PF to upgrade over freeland if he doesnt show us something this season and let jj keep his starting role.

    Second i would get a either a backup point or a combo guard to let dame play off the ball when needed, somebody that can score off the bench also. 

    As of right now i wouldn't mind seeing barton get a little run running the offense. he just needs to improve his handles and decision making a bit but he definitely has the quickness.

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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 01/02/2013 9:53 PM

    These are the three I've been looking at

    OJ Mayo- I think he would thrive back in a sixth man role like he did in Memphis. He has a player option for next season, and if he declines from Dallas, who isnt playing well, he could get a strong contract because he is only due 4.2 million

    Resign JJ Hickson- This is also a big one. The way JJ is playing right now, he deserves a new contract for sure. I would love to bring him back, although I believe his price tag could be high now

    Kevin Seraphin- Really underated and undervalued, the Wizards have a lot of big men locked up, even getting him as a backup power forward would solidify the position

    I Don't know how many would agree, but i think Babbitt would not be bad to bring back either

     

    PG- Lillard, Price

    SG-Matthews, Mayo, Barton

    SF- Batum, Babbitt, Claver

    PF- Aldridge, Seraphin, Freeland

    C-Hickson, Leonard

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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/02/2013 11:03 PM

    Resign Hickson 

    Try to Get Ekpe Udoh, Kevin Seraphin, 

    Try to get Aaron Brooks, Jarret Jack, Eric Maynor

    if we have any cap space left try to sign a wing for CHEAP like maybe Foye, Babbit lol, Buddinger

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  1. BLASER
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    Posted 01/03/2013 2:13 AM

    mayo would be a great 6th man 

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 01/03/2013 7:14 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 01/02/2013 11:03 PM

    Resign Hickson 

    Try to Get Ekpe Udoh, Kevin Seraphin, 

    Try to get Aaron Brooks, Jarret Jack, Eric Maynor

    if we have any cap space left try to sign a wing for CHEAP like maybe Foye, Babbit lol, Buddinger



    First prioirty is to get Hickson, then go after the others and if we exceed the CAP so what.  What is more important, the CAP or winning a championship?
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  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/03/2013 8:45 AM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 01/03/2013 7:14 AM
    Posted By Siccolo on 01/02/2013 11:03 PM

    Resign Hickson 

    Try to Get Ekpe Udoh, Kevin Seraphin, 

    Try to get Aaron Brooks, Jarret Jack, Eric Maynor

    if we have any cap space left try to sign a wing for CHEAP like maybe Foye, Babbit lol, Buddinger



    First prioirty is to get Hickson, then go after the others and if we exceed the CAP so what.  What is more important, the CAP or winning a championship?

    No matter how many times myself, or others, have tried in vain to explain what the salary cap and CBA is, you aren't understanding it.

     

    Maybe you could explain to us all, because we clearly don't understand, exactly how you propose to go over the salary cap?

     

    I'll give you a head start... suppose we do not renounce JJ's Bird rights, which brings our available cap during free agency to 3-5 mil, and some team signs JJ to an offersheet of $8-9 mil (as Minnesota did with Batum).  Portland HAS TO match in your opinion, so that leaves us $1 or $3 mil in cap room with a 10 man roster.  We would have the same exact team as this year, minus Pavlovic, Jeffries, Babbit, Williams, Smith, and perhaps even Price.

     

    So what 5 guys do you add to the Blazers with $1-3 mil in cap space, and a $2.5 mil Room exception to make the Blazers a championship team?

     

     

     

  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/03/2013 10:12 AM

    The easiest way to get around the cap is the sign and trade. Additionally, JJ is not a restricted free agent therefore if he signs for 8-9 million somewhere there is no getting him back. However, David Stern said he expected the NBA revenue to increase by around 20%. If that were to occur the cap would likely rise to somewhere between 62-68 million. This would significantly change the dynamic of free agency not only would the Blazers have enough to resign JJ but they also would also have enough to pursue someone like Pekovic who is unlikely to leave Minnesota. 

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. ubahn82
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    Posted 01/03/2013 11:28 AM

    I think the key is how much is JJ (and his agent) willing to re-sign for and will he still be happy in Portland if we sign a defensive big man to share frontcourt minutes with.  I think that will ultimately determine who we should pursue and who we should pursue.  

    IF JJ is willing to re-sign for ~5 mil/yr, and wait for Portland to use cap space to obtain other players, then we can find an easier to obtain big man to take defensive duties, either as a starting center of as backup F/C to JJ and LA, and will have more flexibility on finding a backup wing/PG.  If JJ (or his agent) demands 8-9 mil/yr (which is not unreasonable with the way he is beasting right now), then it makes Olshey's life much more difficult.

  1. ubahn82
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    Posted 01/03/2013 12:53 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 01/03/2013 7:14 AM
    First prioirty is to get Hickson, then go after the others and if we exceed the CAP so what.  What is more important, the CAP or winning a championship?

    I agree winning a championship is much more important than the CAP, I doubt there is anyone involved with portland, including Paul Allen who would disagree.  However, the CAP does limit what moves a team is allowed to make


    Please help me to understand your statement, because I'm not getting it.


    You say sign Hickson first, how much would you offer him? how much is he worth?


    Next you say go over the CAP to sign the others.  The league will not just allow us to go over the CAP as much as we please.  We need exceptions to be permitted to make moves over the CAP, so what exceptions do we have that I'm not aware of that will permit us to make moves over the CAP to pick up more players?

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/03/2013 1:07 PM

    I've explained it so many times I misspoke. 

     and some team signs JJ to an offersheet of $8-9 mil (as Minnesota did with Batum).

    I meant to, or should have said:

    JJs market value (or his agent) won't sign for less than $8-9 mil

     

    At a minimum, that $7.2 mil would count against the cap, but we could sign him over the cap for the remainder. Again, that only leaves us a few million with a cap of $58 mil.

     

    The cap is $58 mil for 2012-13.  And cmeese is correct the salary cap adjusts each year on the first day following the July Moratorium, but I don't know if that number will be known before a decision to renounce JJ's Bird Rights would need to be made in June.  The guarantee is that is definitely won't be lower than $58 mil should revenues decrease.

  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 01/03/2013 1:29 PM

    As I have said on other Threads three year 6 to 7m. 

     

    The exceptiions are needed to primarily avoid paying luxury Tax.  Pay the luxury Tax and build a contender

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  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/03/2013 2:13 PM

    Exactly Blazermaniac,or we can just nickel and dime it for the rest of existance
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/03/2013 2:31 PM

    Until we have someone in line who needs the open salary we can hold on to JJ's Bird rights. Ideally we would be able to sign a couple guys then resign JJ over the cap. The cap hold could be an issue but we also should have more cap room than last year.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/03/2013 3:07 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 01/03/2013 1:29 PM

    As I have said on other Threads three year 6 to 7m. 

     

    The exceptiions are needed to primarily avoid paying luxury Tax.  Pay the luxury Tax and build a contender



    What areexceptions primarily needed for between the salary cap of $58 mil and the luxury tax line of $70 mil?
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/03/2013 3:23 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 01/03/2013 2:31 PM

    Until we have someone in line who needs the open salary we can hold on to JJ's Bird rights. Ideally we would be able to sign a couple guys then resign JJ over the cap. The cap hold could be an issue but we also should have more cap room than last year.



    The $7.2 cap hold is what everyone is talkin about.  IF, and this is the assumption everyone is working from, the cap is 58 mil, we will end up with the same team next year if we sign JJ.  If the cap goes to $64, that would make all the difference in both getting a real center, and resigning JJ.
  1. ubahn82
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    Posted 01/03/2013 3:57 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 01/03/2013 1:29 PM

    As I have said on other Threads three year 6 to 7m. 

     

    The exceptiions are needed to primarily avoid paying luxury Tax.  Pay the luxury Tax and build a contender


    And there is the misunderstanding


    The CBA clearly states that teams CANNOT sign players or make trades if they finish the transaction above the cap, except when using an exception.  There is no relationship between luxury tax and exceptions.  Luxury tax is a penalty for going too far over the salary cap using these exceptions.  So once again, we CANNOT make any moves over the CAP without and EXCEPTION.


    This has nothing to do with what Paul Allen is willing to do.  This is just the rules that all teams must abide by. Period.

  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/04/2013 10:41 AM

    Its wild. I mean how do teams like Miami have 3 guys lebron,wade,and bosh who are all close to max deals,and they can sign ray allen too? Who are we paying a max deal too? Aldridge? Batum has a large contract too,but its not a max deal,I know we signed Matthews a few years back to good money,but thats really it. Are we still paying Brandon roy or something? And if so,that sucks,but whateve. I'm sure Blazer Fanatic knows who is making what, but it just seems like certain teams can just sign whoever. I mean look at new york. Stuadamire and Anthony have max deals.They Signed Felton,Chandler,they even signed Marcus Camby.The Blazers have only 3 people Aldridge,Batum,and Matthews who would command any kind've salary so why are we soo capped out that we can barely sign hickson
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 01/04/2013 11:27 AM

    There are no real stud free agents on the market this year. We would be smart to target a legit back-up point guard and the guy I still want is Jarrett Jack because he knows how to run an offense, can play both guard positions, and is a thread to score. Re-signing JJ is a must! We haven't had a player like him since Brian Grant and as we know, those types don't grow on trees. If there's any money left over after signing those two, maybe look at bringing back Elliot and Luke on the cheap and filling out the rest of the bench.
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  1. ubahn82
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    Posted 01/04/2013 11:36 AM

    Miami signed Ray Allen using their mini Mid-level exception


    New York obtained Camby and Felton from us as a sign and trade.  Because it's a trade, the rules are a little different.  They then signed Jason Kidd using their mini Mid-level exception.


    Both teams filled out their rosters after that using minimum salary exceptions, there is no limit on being able to use the minimum salary exception

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/04/2013 11:57 AM

    NY was over the cap.  The let Jeremy Lin go because he commanded so much with the offer sheet he signed.  They would be paying 4-1 on that contract because they would be over the luxury tax limit.  They required exceptions to conduct business.  This is how those players were aquired:

    Camby - aquired through a S&T (Trade Exception) three-year, $13 million contract with Houston for Toney Douglas, Josh Harrelson and Jerome Jordan, along with two future second-round picks.

    Felton - aquired through a S&T (Trade Exception) with Kurt Thomas from Portland in exchange for Jared Jefferies, center Dan Gadzuric (portland waived him) a 2016 second-round pick, the rights to Georgios Printezis and Kastas Papanikolaou, plus cash considerations. (portland recieved a $2 mil trade exception)

    Wallace, Brewer, White - each signed for Vet's minimum of $854k

    Copeland - 2nd round rookie contract or $473k (Rookie Exception)

    Pablo Prigioni - rookie minimum $473k

    Kidd - (Mini Mid-Level Exception)

    Novak - (Larry Bird Exception)

     

    NY waived Billups using the anmesty clause for cap relief, and signed Chandler via a S&T.

     

    All these answers are readily found using a search engin.  I used Yahoo! Try it with Miami.

     

  1. Posted 01/04/2013 3:22 PM

    Nikola Pekovic!! we can probably offer him 6.5 mil then resign Hickson for 4.5 mil, then look around for a cheap 2 way guard for the remaining million (pablo Prigioni, Nate robinson, Maybe even Elliot williams again!)

    I am a fan of JJ HIckson!!!
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/04/2013 3:27 PM

    Posted By Ryan Bjorn Nilsen on 01/04/2013 3:22 PM

    Nikola Pekovic!! we can probably offer him 6.5 mil then resign Hickson for 4.5 mil, then look around for a cheap 2 way guard for the remaining million (pablo Prigioni, Nate robinson, Maybe even Elliot williams again!)



    There's no way Pek would sign with anyone for $6.5 mil, or Hickson for $4.5.  But if we could... that would be insainly amazing.
  1. BLASER
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    Posted 01/04/2013 4:14 PM

    yea and I'm a big fan of nate robinson for a cheap gaurd 

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 01/04/2013 9:24 PM

    There really is not much out there that is very attractive. Pekovic is probably not leaving Minnesota. We have around 0% chance to sign Chris Paul, Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum. Honestly, I think the most interesting thing we could do is trade Wesley Matthews. By moving Matthews we can assuming the cap increases next season make a offer to Josh Smith. I think adding someone with the versatility Smith offers would totally change the dynamic of this team.


    First he would add the big time shot blocker this team has needed. Additionally, his rebounding and defense are awesome. He is certainly skilled enough to play the 3 even though he has been primarily a 4 for the last season or two. JJ at the 5, LA at the 4 and Smith at the 3 would help offset any size issues we have up front. With Lillard and Batum in the back court this team would be a match up nightmare most nights. Of course finding a bench would still be important and with no idea what the cap situation will be yet. I am not sure we can address all these areas and sign someone as high profile as Smith but I think it would interesting to try.

    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/04/2013 10:11 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 01/04/2013 9:24 PM

    There really is not much out there that is very attractive. Pekovic is probably not leaving Minnesota. We have around 0% chance to sign Chris Paul, Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum. Honestly, I think the most interesting thing we could do is trade Wesley Matthews. By moving Matthews we can assuming the cap increases next season make a offer to Josh Smith. I think adding someone with the versatility Smith offers would totally change the dynamic of this team.

    First he would add the big time shot blocker this team has needed. Additionally, his rebounding and defense are awesome. He is certainly skilled enough to play the 3 even though he has been primarily a 4 for the last season or two. JJ at the 5, LA at the 4 and Smith at the 3 would help offset any size issues we have up front. With Lillard and Batum in the back court this team would be a match up nightmare most nights. Of course finding a bench would still be important and with no idea what the cap situation will be yet. I am not sure we can address all these areas and sign someone as high profile as Smith but I think it would interesting to try.


    For the worst.  He's not a center, and we already have a starting SF in Batum and PF in LA.  We don't need another $13 mil SF on this team.  I am over joyed with Batum's defense and his all-around play.  Batum starting at the 2... (crickets)

     

    It definitley is an idea.

  1. Curvychloe
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    Posted 01/05/2013 8:56 AM

    Yeah its a idea
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 01/05/2013 9:07 AM

    Pekovic will be targeted by Portland.  The why isn't as much the question as is the how.  Minny is also now exploring trade scenarios involving Rudy Gay.  Kahn would do well to take some advice from Kenny Rogers.  

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/05/2013 10:12 AM

    I did some "research" and basing on this site values(http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html)

    We have 11 Players under contract for next season (lillard,matthews,pavlovic,barton,jeffries,claver,freeland,aldridge,price, batum and leonard) 47,447,628

    Price, Claver and Freeland i think are expendable, and could be used on trade or something. 5,493,953

    4 ending contract this year(hickson,babbit,smith and williams) Hickson and Babbit could stay

    And thinking in a roster of 13/14 Players(now we have 15 and none of the "bench players" is really reliable so less player may be good if they are better player after all).

    If we resing babbit(around 2m) and hickson  (around 7m). Around 9m

    Cap hit: 50,953,675 (Around 7m left for 3 Players a C, a PG and a SG)

    Lillard/1

    Matthews/2/ Barton

    Batum/ Babbit/ Pavlovic

    Aldridge/ Jeffries (Hickson and Babbit also can play as 4)

    Hickson// Leonard

     

     I leave here some sugestions for the 7m that would be available...

    PG - Will Bynum(3m)/Randy Foye(2.5m)/Toney Douglas(2m)

    SG - Gerald Herderson(3m)/ Marco Belinelli(2m)/ Leandro Barbosa(1.5mm)

    C - Greg Stiemsa(2.5m)/Jermaine O´Neal (1.5m)/Andray Blatche(1m)

  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/05/2013 10:52 AM

    Posted By BDawg on 01/05/2013 9:07 AM

    Pekovic will be targeted by Portland.  The why isn't as much the question as is the how.  Minny is also now exploring trade scenarios involving Rudy Gay.  Kahn would do well to take some advice from Kenny Rogers.  



    "You never count your money, when you're sitting at the table..."  this? lol  That's kind of why the Timberwolves keep screwing up, and why they may very well lose Pek.  Kahn is a clown, and the sooner Minnesota gets rid of him, the better off the Twolves will be.
  1. Blazer Fanatic
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    Posted 01/05/2013 11:04 AM

    Posted By Nuno on 01/05/2013 10:12 AM

    I did some "research" and basing on this site values(http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html)

    We have 11 Players under contract for next season (lillard,matthews,pavlovic,barton,jeffries,claver,freeland,aldridge,price, batum and leonard) 47,447,628

    Price, Claver and Freeland i think are expendable, and could be used on trade or something. 5,493,953

    4 ending contract this year(hickson,babbit,smith and williams) Hickson and Babbit could stay

    And thinking in a roster of 13/14 Players(now we have 15 and none of the "bench players" is really reliable so less player may be good if they are better player after all).

    If we resing babbit(around 2m) and hickson  (around 7m). Around 9m

    Cap hit: 50,953,675 (Around 7m left for 3 Players a C, a PG and a SG)

    Lillard/1

    Matthews/2/ Barton

    Batum/ Babbit/ Pavlovic

    Aldridge/ Jeffries (Hickson and Babbit also can play as 4)

    Hickson// Leonard

     

    I do not think Pavlovic, Jeffries, and Price are guaranteed next season.  Leaving us with a roster of 8 and approximately 10-12 mil in cap space with an assumed cap of $58 mil.

    The frustrating unknown is:  how much will Hickson be willing to stay in Portland for?

    Will the cap increase and when will we know (i.e. before the first day after the July moritorium?)?

     

     

  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/05/2013 11:42 AM

    Hickson is really the main issue... may stay, may leave...we cant say for sure

    According to the site:  http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html

    Sasha Pavlovic, Signed July 20, 2012 for an assumed $4,080,710 for 3 years.

    Ronnie Price, Signed July 18, 2012 for an assumed minimum salary for 2 years.

    Jared Jeffries, Signed July 15, 2012 for an assumed $4,624,458 for 3 years.

    • 2013-14 and 2014-15 are not guaranteed. (as you said)

  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/05/2013 11:43 AM

    Oj Mayo has cooled down after his incredible start to the season. Dallas maybe looking to make a big splash and throwing a lot of money at Chris Paul, Dwight Howard or another big name......maybe we can try to sign Mayo.

    But Mayo seems like the guy who will throw a fit if he doesnt get enough mins or starts

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/05/2013 11:54 AM

    Mayo is playing well, but if im not mistaked, he just isnt playing good against the best teams, and there is when we need bench players to be useful!
  1. DJ Gillpatrick
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    Posted 01/10/2013 12:49 AM

    Why not go for Elton brand and Darren collison for 3 million each while resigning hickson for 7 or whatever the max is for our cap level?

    I am a fan of Overtime victories.
  1. DJ Gillpatrick
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    Posted 01/10/2013 12:57 AM

    According to the last post of blazer fanatics I saw you would even have enough to Babbitt.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 01/11/2013 2:14 PM

    Collison if available is definitely worth going after. So is Bynum.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 01/11/2013 4:04 PM

    We should sign some guys RIGHT NOW tho....

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  1. Nuno
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    Posted 01/11/2013 4:49 PM

    it is easy to say, a lot of people agree with it , me included.

    But it isnt up to us (fans), management and the coach surely are doing their job, and if they think like us, they will make a move to get what the team need. you cant also forget that our roster is kind of full lol

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