Batum - Master of the Obvious
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 10/15/2012 2:17 PM

    Eggers: Blazers F Nicolas Batum Eyes Improved Consistency After New Contract



    Kerry Eggers of the Portland Tribune reports that Portland Trail Blazers forward Nicolas Batum is focusing on improving his consistency during the 2012-13 season after signing a 4-year contract worth $46.5 million over the summer. Click link to read the remainder.

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/10/14/3501308/eggers-blazers-f-nicolas-batum-eyes-improved-consistency-after-new

    Boy talk about Master of the obvious.
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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 10/15/2012 6:58 PM

    Would you stop with the dang Batum bashing? Honestly, blazer fans kill me sometimes. I love the team but you can't pick and choose who you are going to be critical about. How come I don't see any posts about Wesley Matthews? Because he runs hard and slashes to the basket every once in a while? 
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 10/16/2012 8:43 AM

    Batum has been one of the bright lights on this squad so far in preseason. Wesley has disappointed me in more areas of the game and I guess I had high expectations from Wes. So have Nolan Smith and Joel Freeland who were supposed to be major contributors off the bench..Babbit...no surprise there. After the last two games though, Kaleb Canales has disappointed me most because he's our defensive coach and we're looking ugly and unorganized on D.
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  1. Tycoon
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    Posted 10/20/2012 12:55 AM

    People hate on Batum because of his agent. And because of the massive contract he got everyone expects him to be a top scorer every night. He's a baller, plain and simple. He's only what, 23-24? 
    There are more deciding factors to a ball game than just being a top scorer every night. Though it doesn't hurt ;) 

    Expect to see more aggression from him during the reg-season on offense and defense.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/20/2012 7:58 PM

    HUGE Nic FAN and Stotts and other smart execs know the value of Nic
    500/400/900 players than can defend the wing just don't grow on trees.... especially one's who averaged at least one block, rebound, and three per game

    What it comes down to if Nic can play the entire year and strokes it like he did in 09-10 .519/409/.843 we have a stud.

    Game style under Stotts and Lillard favors Nic so I know all you bashers will be chanting Nico Nico in a month or two

    Bring on the Lakers, and DW and old man Nash

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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/21/2012 8:00 AM

    I my post above I was referring to averaging at least one block, three pointer and steal per game... not rebound...  The reason I mentioned it was because other than Nic, Kevin Durant was the ONLY NBA player to do this last year.

    Nico does many many things and will fill up the box score if given big minutes IMO
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 10/21/2012 9:06 AM

    I would hate to believe this about Portlanders, since I think the NW is the greatest part of the country, but has anyone considered that Batum is the most scrutinized Blazer simply because he's French. Something about our society that completely disgusts me is that racism against French people is commonplace.

    If he were--oh I don't know--a Gonzaga grad, would we be posting stuff like this?
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 10/21/2012 9:08 AM

    By the way, BlazerManiac, if you're looking for in-depth analysis and enlightening comments from a player interview, you've lost your mind, my man.
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 10/21/2012 9:59 PM

    I don't buy the racism connection there. I see hundreds of Oregonians everyday and have a lot of French or French Canadian friends and neighbors. I think Oregon is pretty diverse all and all and have yet to read a comment about Nico that even suggests prejudice. Actually the only racism I've read on any sports site was targeted at Jeremy Lin and he's never been a Blazer.
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 10/22/2012 1:47 PM

    I'm probably guilty of being the biggest Nico critic on this and ALL boards, but he has been OK this season to date.  46.5 mil good though?  Not even close.  It's pre-season with a new team, coach etc. but he's playing against a bunch of guys in the exact same situation.  So some things working for him, some things working against him.  Call it a wash.

    Im not buying that he's going to be a breakout player at any point.  I don't buy the minutes arguments, the coaching argument etc. that people have used to defend Batum.  It's clear he's good, but not great.  This is his 5th season not counting French play.  Lillard looks more confident, controlled, and talented than Batum.  Is he a net asset for the team?  Yes obviously.  Is he an all-star?  Clearly not.  Is he worth 46.5 mil?  Not even close.  He's a baller and a Blazer so I'll bite my tongue and support him but we got played on this deal big time.  

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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 10/22/2012 3:05 PM

    I do not think you could call me racist ? I hate most eurotrashballers as a whole.They are soft and they whine. With very few exceptions I think the NBA would be a better place without them and they should play us every 4 years in the Olympics. As far as Nic from Gonzaga making 46 mill yeah I would be all over him like flys on fecal matter. With all that being said, new coach, new system,new teammates,new GM,pre-season I think I will cut him a little slack ..For Now...20 games in we should get a good eval on everyone. @Tycoon yes he is only 23-24 but he has been in the league for 4-5 years? time to step up. And here is a question is 4-8 shooting 5 rebounds in 8 mins out performing 3-15 3 rebounds 4 assists in 28mins?  
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 10/22/2012 3:38 PM

    I'm sorry I forgot about my rant on consistancy. I have been saying it now for 3 years LA,Wes,Batum, the only consistant thing about the 3 is when they are all on, they are all on, when they are off, they are all off. I do not care if Lamarcus makes 22 points if his shot percentage is 30%, this would not suck if it was baseball, this is basketball and it sucks. I agree with schwabii we should be more critical of everyone else also. Although I will say this in Wes's defense he was originally hired to back-up Roy as a 6th man and as a 6th man I think he is great as a shooting guard starter not so much, but he does not disappear in the 4th quarter either no matter how bad he plays. Consistantcy is a problem this entire team has had and it is something that has to be fixed before we even think about moving on to anything that remotely resembles a deep play-off run. Hopefully this year we have taken the steps to start to fix the problem.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 10/22/2012 6:31 PM

    Lol, yeah barnettfan, nothing racist about the phrase "Euro-trash". But seriously, I do agree with the performance when compared to contract. But there are lots of factors at play there, few dealing with Nic himself. First of all, the amount on the contract was determined by the Timberwolves and Nic's agent. Olshey couldn't make a good case for keeping his job if he let a very young and very talented player walk away from a rebuilding franchise. It's also partially a symptom of our situation. Unfortunately, our roster had fallen apart to the point that a "solid" player was good enough to be our #2 option. Nic isn't the highest paid 2nd-option guy in the league. He just isn't quite worth the money that the role demands.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 10/22/2012 9:08 PM

    cut Holiday, Morrison, Karl, Lauderdale, Harper. Keep Pavlovic
    Wish we can cut Nolan
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/23/2012 7:57 AM

    He sure had that silky smooth stroke on display last night

    splatt
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/23/2012 8:02 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 10/22/2012 9:08 PM
    cut Holiday, Morrison, Karl, Lauderdale, Harper. Keep Pavlovic
    Wish we can cut Nolan

    I know huh if it was just a call on play we keep Karl and cut Nolan... Coby doesn't seem to get rattled like Smith... just a few games tho but still Karl played good again when Lillard went out with two early fouls
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/23/2012 8:04 AM

    Posted By uprised on 10/22/2012 1:47 PM
    I'm probably guilty of being the biggest Nico critic on this and ALL boards, but he has been OK this season to date.  46.5 mil good though?  Not even close.  It's pre-season with a new team, coach etc. but he's playing against a bunch of guys in the exact same situation.  So some things working for him, some things working against him.  Call it a wash.

    Im not buying that he's going to be a breakout player at any point.  I don't buy the minutes arguments, the coaching argument etc. that people have used to defend Batum.  It's clear he's good, but not great.  This is his 5th season not counting French play.  Lillard looks more confident, controlled, and talented than Batum.  Is he a net asset for the team?  Yes obviously.  Is he an all-star?  Clearly not.  Is he worth 46.5 mil?  Not even close.  He's a baller and a Blazer so I'll bite my tongue and support him but we got played on this deal big time.  


    Value comes in all shapes and sizes... We groomed him and now its time to reap the dividends... 45.5 will end up being a bargain
    I am a fan of Billy Ray Bates
  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 10/23/2012 3:58 PM

    Posted By D Licious on 10/23/2012 8:04 AM
    Posted By uprised on 10/22/2012 1:47 PM
    I'm probably guilty of being the biggest Nico critic on this and ALL boards, but he has been OK this season to date.  46.5 mil good though?  Not even close.  It's pre-season with a new team, coach etc. but he's playing against a bunch of guys in the exact same situation.  So some things working for him, some things working against him.  Call it a wash.

    Im not buying that he's going to be a breakout player at any point.  I don't buy the minutes arguments, the coaching argument etc. that people have used to defend Batum.  It's clear he's good, but not great.  This is his 5th season not counting French play.  Lillard looks more confident, controlled, and talented than Batum.  Is he a net asset for the team?  Yes obviously.  Is he an all-star?  Clearly not.  Is he worth 46.5 mil?  Not even close.  He's a baller and a Blazer so I'll bite my tongue and support him but we got played on this deal big time.  


    Value comes in all shapes and sizes... We groomed him and now its time to reap the dividends... 45.5 will end up being a bargain
    I wont bet on it but I will hope for it Portland needs a break.

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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/23/2012 5:35 PM

    Posted By barnettfan on 10/23/2012 3:58 PM
    Posted By D Licious on 10/23/2012 8:04 AM
    Posted By uprised on 10/22/2012 1:47 PM
    I'm probably guilty of being the biggest Nico critic on this and ALL boards, but he has been OK this season to date.  46.5 mil good though?  Not even close.  It's pre-season with a new team, coach etc. but he's playing against a bunch of guys in the exact same situation.  So some things working for him, some things working against him.  Call it a wash.

    Im not buying that he's going to be a breakout player at any point.  I don't buy the minutes arguments, the coaching argument etc. that people have used to defend Batum.  It's clear he's good, but not great.  This is his 5th season not counting French play.  Lillard looks more confident, controlled, and talented than Batum.  Is he a net asset for the team?  Yes obviously.  Is he an all-star?  Clearly not.  Is he worth 46.5 mil?  Not even close.  He's a baller and a Blazer so I'll bite my tongue and support him but we got played on this deal big time.  


    Value comes in all shapes and sizes... We groomed him and now its time to reap the dividends... 45.5 will end up being a bargain
    I wont bet on it but I will hope for it Portland needs a break.


    now that is something we agree on haha we do deserve a break
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  1. Victor
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    Posted 10/24/2012 3:04 AM

    Posted By barnettfan on 10/22/2012 3:05 PM
    I do not think you could call me racist ? I hate most eurotrashballers as a whole.They are soft and they whine. With very few exceptions I think the NBA would be a better place without them and they should play us every 4 years in the Olympics. As far as Nic from Gonzaga making 46 mill yeah I would be all over him like flys on fecal matter. With all that being said, new coach, new system,new teammates,new GM,pre-season I think I will cut him a little slack ..For Now...20 games in we should get a good eval on everyone. @Tycoon yes he is only 23-24 but he has been in the league for 4-5 years? time to step up. And here is a question is 4-8 shooting 5 rebounds in 8 mins out performing 3-15 3 rebounds 4 assists in 28mins?  

    Man if this is not a form of racism I don't know what racism is. Makes people a lot less inclined to read past your first couple of phrases. Which I didn't and don't care to. Also don't care to reply to my reply here because I will most definitely move on from this thread.

    Another thing... not everywhere in Europe you will always find players who are soft and whiners, try countries like Greece or Serbia. You'd be surprise.
    Comments like that only reassures that racism is present, I'd get more information and maybe be more aware of other nations culture before talking crap about them.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 10/24/2012 9:05 AM

    Ginobli,Nene,Tony Parker,Pietrus,Fesenko,the new young center from Utah and Scola dont look soft to me.Quiet as kept, there are a lot of marshmallows from right here in the U.S. that look pretty damned soft to me. Its not where you're from its where you're at. Dirk is one of the softest at his position, but yet i dont see anyone able to stop him. People need something to talk about, let them talk. Thats the easy part. Go Rip City !!! 
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 10/24/2012 9:49 AM

    @victor. Point taken. BUT. I have lived in London,Bamburg,Neckersalm,Kaiserslauteran,Madrid and even gotten lost in France. I have partied with a bunch of fans from Manchester United(interesting to say the least) it was at a Pink Floyd concert so a few memories lost. My dislike for european basketball players has nothing to do with race,religion or creed, it has EVERYTHING to do with the game of BASKETBALL and the way we play it here in the United States as opposed to the way Europeans play the game and the way the Olympic Committee has handled the sport. The few Serbian people I have met were refugee's from the Serbian /Croation war in which I B.S.ed, partied with and talked to whilest helping them adjust in the temp. camps in Germany. Which really leads me to believe that you are not from any other country than maybe "California" and you really like to throw the word " racist" around because you disagree with someone and are really insecure in your own beliefs and thinking that if you use the word racist it will win you the argument as gormless as it may be. 
    Unless maybe you are a European basketball player who could not make the team? Which kinda proves my point.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 10/24/2012 1:24 PM

    Ok guys, this conversation has to move back to blazer basketball now, and how it specifically relates to Batum for this thread.

    Some comments above could be read the wrong way, but I think that's been acknowledged and explained as much as it can be without going in circles. Please watch the language, watch how you say things, and no attacking fellow Blazer fans.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 10/24/2012 2:46 PM

    I know I'm the one who brought the racist topic into this thread, so I apologize for opening that can of worms. However, I think my initiation of the subject shed light on my point exactly. Many fans were quick to not only use slurs, but to stereotype an entire continent of athletes.

    So here's my other comment: I don't think this board should become a place where fans attack each other any more than the moderators do. But neither do I think it's a place where people should post numerous pointless threads bashing on one player.

    I'd much rather start a mature discussion about players' values and whether or not they fit the roster.
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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 10/24/2012 5:13 PM

    I agree with D_Pickett. This whole player bashing thing is getting to the extreme. It's one thing to post the occasional post critiquing players but it's another to continually post about a players faults. Heck, this is just preseason!
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/24/2012 6:54 PM

    Some NBA people I have heard mention that its kinda flipped and Euro league players are now known to be more physical than NBA... just what I heard

    Freeland likes to mix it up.. I like that
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 10/24/2012 7:46 PM

    A bit of a double standard when commentors whine about whiners don't you think? First of all to debunk the myth that foreign players are soft and whiners. Hakeem Alajuwan, Patrick Ewing, Sabonis, Yao Ming, Luol Deng, Pekovic, Pavlovic, Patty Mills, Ibaka, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, Goran Dragic, Steve Nash, Dikembe Mutumbo, Manut Bol, George Muresan, Kirelenko, Nowitzki, Andrew Bogut, Tim Duncan, Nicolas Batum, Ronnie Turiaf, the list goes on...get over the stereotypes and welcome to the wild world of sports!
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 10/24/2012 7:52 PM

    Speaking of basketball players, Nico is a keeper and a special talent. He may just become an allstar or MIP this season. He now has a coach that will run plays for him and a point guard who will pass him the ball somewhere besides the corner 3 spot. I, for one and glad he's a Blazer and hope he retires one as well. Preseason none of our starters have played in the 2nd half much and that's when Nico and even LA do their most damage. I look forward to them closing out games with big runs.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 10/26/2012 7:41 AM

    Posted By riverman on 10/24/2012 7:52 PM
    Speaking of basketball players, Nico is a keeper and a special talent. He may just become an allstar or MIP this season. He now has a coach that will run plays for him and a point guard who will pass him the ball somewhere besides the corner 3 spot. I, for one and glad he's a Blazer and hope he retires one as well. Preseason none of our starters have played in the 2nd half much and that's when Nico and even LA do their most damage. I look forward to them closing out games with big runs.

    Yes he is... The best years are in front of Nico with Stotts running plays for him and our team running his stats should see a serious jump.

    Plus he plays the game right... he is not a ball stopper like Carmelo, Nico actually plays D and will make the extra pass

    I think most fans here respect Batum and look forward to what he can bring to the table at the starting 3 this year under Stotts and Lillard running sets
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