We Paid How Much for Batum?
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/13/2012 3:10 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/13/2012 2:51 PM
    Posted By FoulWeatherFan on 08/13/2012 1:22 PM
    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/08/2012 10:15 AM
    Well he disappeared again aganst Spain.  Yes I know he has moments of great defense, but it is not consistent, nor is his offense.



    Player Position min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS PF Pts
    Tony Parker G 37:59 6/20 1/4 2/3 2 6 1 2 0 0 1 15
    Nicolas Batum F 32:20 3/12 1/5 2/2 3 5 1 1 0 1 3 9

    Are we reading the same box score? You are telling me that he disappeared while arguably having a better stat line that Tony Parker. I'm not saying that he had a good game, but where is your argument?

    Foul Weather Fan if you knew how to read stats it would help.  See the column where it states 3 PT.  he went 1 for 5.  In FG we went 3 for 12.  Hence we  went 4 for 17 for a total of 9 points.  Three FG's and 1 3 Pointer.  Quit drinking the Batum Kool-Aid
    Umm 3 point shots count as field goal attempts.....He shot 5 threes, which means he shot 7 two point shots.....maybe you should learn to read stats..

    I do think you are asking Batum too much out there. I know you are a fan and want to see the team get better, but I dont think Batum can just kick it up and start being a 20 ppg player. Batum is the best SF thats not Iggy,Granger, Durant, LeBron, Melo, Pierce, and Gay. He is more healthy than any SF below the players I just listed. He is also has a better FG percentage than most these SF. He is the youngest of all these SF. He has the potential to get better to. It is his 5th year, cut him some slack. He is 1 of two players to avg a steal, a block, and a 3 in every game. Also he has improved in his steals, points, and blocks from last season. Most of his trainers and coaching staff has changes over the years to.

    I guess im just on the "Batum Kool-Aid"

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 3:14 PM

    I like Matthews as a SF role with the option of going after a good SG in Free Agency or Trade. 

    I thought they should have gone after OJ Mayo in the SG role and then they could have let Batum go and have more room under the Cap and we would not be tied to that stupid offer sheet.  Matthews is a much more agressive Player than Batum and can play either the SG or SF position.  Yea I know what you are going to say that I am nuts.  Mathews and Batum had equal stats and Mathews has the intangibles you need in a basketball player where I do not think Batum can even develop those skils, like heart, passion and physical play.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 3:25 PM

    I am a former basketball offical and glad you know so much about the rules (you are teachingme new things LOL.  I do not know when they changed the rules to your view of 3 pts are included in FG's.  You might want to look up the definition of a FG - 2 pt shot, and 3 PT - Three Point Field Goal.  This is why they have separate stats on them for game summaries and also season totals.  They are both considered Field Goals, however they have different points and names for them.

    I am glad you admitted that your drinking the Batum Kool-Aid.  Admitting is the first step to recovery.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/13/2012 3:48 PM

    Either way he still shoots 25%
    And unless I have misunderstood the rules for my whole life, 3s are counted as fg.
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/13/2012 3:55 PM

    If that was admitting you were wrong then you are a long way from recovery. I totally agree that Matthews plays with passion and everyone, LA included, needs to follow suit. Unfortunately Matthews doesn't have near the talent or the dreaded "potential" you hate so much. You pointed out yourself that Matthews, playing with so much passion, and Batum, "disappearing" every game, average the same stats. If Batum is put into a successful situation, and yes applies himself more, he could be a phenomenal player.    
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 6:15 PM

    You have misuderstood 3's are not counted as FG's they are separated.  But you are right is shooting sucked!

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 6:18 PM

    If Batum plays and eitire game without disappearing he gets my respect.  If not (which I doubt he every will) he still get my slepticism.  From your opinion with his talent he should be scoring the same or if not better than LA.  Why isn't he?

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 6:30 PM

    I stand corrected on the 3 Point FG.  My son who is a NCAA Referree just corrected me.  I am to stubborn to admit I am worng.  Expect about Batum
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/13/2012 6:35 PM

    http://www.electro-mech.com/team-sports/basketball/what-is-a-field-goal-in-basketball/

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/field+goal

    http://www.firstbasesports.com/basketball_glossary.html#fake

    http://en.mimi.hu/basketball/field_goal.html

    SMH

    Im 14 and telling a former "basketball official" the definition of a field goal.

    Any basket Excluding freethrows are considered a field goal.



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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 6:47 PM

    As I said I stand corrected,  My son is a NCAA Basketball referree and he and i argued about it and he showed me the rule back.  My aplogoes.  Needless to say he still shot 25%.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/13/2012 7:47 PM

     Im sorry if I sounded rude at any point. The bottom line is that shooting 25 % fromt he field and 20 from 3 is not good at all and Batum played a bad game. Lets hope that he wont play like this when the season starts.
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/13/2012 9:41 PM

    Batum should not be scoring as much as Aldridge. Aldridge is capable of putting up 25 a night. That's not what Nic's game is and that's not what everyone should expect from him. What I would love to see from Nic is 15-18 points, 6-7rebounds, 4-5 assists, and as close as he can get to 2 steals and 2 blocks a game. Now I don't expect to see that next year, but I think that is what he is capable of. I think if we give him time that's what we will see.
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/13/2012 10:16 PM

    I agree with FoulWeatherFan completely. Next year i see 15  5  3 
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/14/2012 8:30 AM

    Posted By FoulWeatherFan on 08/13/2012 9:41 PM
    Batum should not be scoring as much as Aldridge. Aldridge is capable of putting up 25 a night. That's not what Nic's game is and that's not what everyone should expect from him. What I would love to see from Nic is 15-18 points, 6-7rebounds, 4-5 assists, and as close as he can get to 2 steals and 2 blocks a game. Now I don't expect to see that next year, but I think that is what he is capable of. I think if we give him time that's what we will see.

    Well lets look at Batum's stas last year on a 66 game schedule compared to Aldridge. 

    Batum did not play in seven games so he had a 59 Game Schedule.  In those 59 games he scored less than 10 points in 19 games.

    Aldridge on the other hand did not play in 11 games.  In those 55 games he went below 10 points only once.

    Basically the conclusion is that Batum scores 10 poins or more 67% of the games he played in while LA scored 10 points or more 98% of the time.

    In addition after research most (64%) of his points come in the first half.  Two things are blatantly obvious, is that batum needs to focus on consistent production where his scoring is above 12 to 13 Points per game every game, and secondly, he needs to show up in the second half. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/14/2012 9:42 AM

    The fourth quarter is where Batum disappears he was the least productive starter in crunch time last season we had. That much I have already documented. We need a new offensive philosophy, sorry Terry jacking up threes like we are team USA in the Olympics is not going to cut it.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/14/2012 9:55 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/14/2012 9:42 AM
    The fourth quarter is where Batum disappears he was the least productive starter in crunch time last season we had. That much I have already documented. We need a new offensive philosophy, sorry Terry jacking up threes like we are team USA in the Olympics is not going to cut it.


    cmeese47 your dead right.  The offensive philosphy in the second hald should be attack the rim and get fouled.  If we do that we can close out games with a win. 
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/14/2012 10:43 AM

    I give up. You are going to hate. That's what haters do. So go ahead, hate on the guy for being a top 10 SF in the league but not a top 5. Hate on him for greatly exceeding everyone's expectations. And hate on him because our TEAM decided to pay him when his contract was due. Is there anything I forgot? Oh yeah, hate on him because he follows the team philosophy and doesn't go 1-on-1 every time he gets the ball. Hate on him because he wants to contribute more to his team. And you can hate on him because he can't seem to hold Lebron, Kobe, Durant and those guys scoreless the entire game. You go ahead and sit there and sip your Haterade, the rest of us can have some Batum Kool-Aid.
    I am a fan of close games.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/14/2012 11:37 AM

    Boy you have it all wrong.  I do not hate Batum, but the people like you are waiting for his potential to arrive are going to have to wait until he figures out how to play without disappearing in the second half and also play with the tenacity and gutts of a five year player and is not playing to his full potential.

    Also where are you getting that he is a Top 5 Small Forward.  Even the Fantasy leagues have him at most 10th.  Following is a great summary from the following link:

    http://www.fantasybasketballdaily.c...ings/7766/

    10. Nicolas Batum (POR, 22.4 FPS)
    – Batum is still haggling out a huge contract, but I think that he’s definitely going to be overpaid no matter what happens.  He’s still young at 23, but in 30.4 MPG he only managed 14 and 5 with 1.0 block and 1.0 steal.  He was able to knock down the three, taking 4.6 per game and hitting them at a 39.1% clip, but I’m not absolutely sure he can keep up that pace.  The other thing that leads me to believe he may be a disappointment is that he’s played around 30 minutes per game over the last two seasons, but he hasn’t shown much progression in his development.  What you see the last two seasons is probably what you are going to get this year.  Unless his minutes jump to 35+, you’re probably going to have to overpay to get him, and you might well be disappointed with his production for that expensive price.

    Go to this link; they have him as 14th:

    http://www.realsportshype.com/2012/...small.html


    Take another sip of the kool-aid
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 08/14/2012 12:11 PM

    why's everybody so extreme. foulweatherfan said he is NOT a top 5 SF but a top 10. that is very accurate unless you want to enlighten me and rattle off 10 SF that are better than batum. the thing about batum is his unique blend of athleticism and gracefulness.  he can do a lot of things that other players can't.  he can block like lebron in transition.  he's a dead eye and only going to get better from the 3pt line (give me all the stats in the world) i don't care. he has elite form with his shot and anybody can see he is developing in to an elite 3pt shooter. he can jump out of the gym. he is very versatile. he can guard multiple positions.  we need him to share time guarding the lebrons and kobes.  he has shown the ability to get to the rim and he continues to improve in that area. 

    disappears in the 4th?  did he disappear in the 4th when he scored 4 pts in .09 seconds to beat san antonio? how many game winners do you want. one is more than the rest of the team besides LMA. yes, he tends to disappear in games.  that is something that stotts can very very easily change by running more sets for batum and getting him involved.  i really don't understand the extremism with this batum issue. i'm glad we have the SF position secured.  if you want to talk about wink links or question marks think about the 2 guard position. love wesley but we will never win a title with him playing the most minutes at the 2.  not signing batum, and starting wesley at SF would make the team worse. that is a terrible idea and you should seriously reevaluate.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/14/2012 12:29 PM

    Yes we all know the infamous one game with San Antonio,

    Bottom line, what makes Championsip Teams is those stars who take thier flashy style and turn it into toughness when it is needed.

    Quoticng a great movie line:  You cannot live on Talent alone, this message is for Batum.

    Now are you saying Batum is a clutch player? Are you kidding me?  That San Antonio was one game in how many?
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/14/2012 3:52 PM

    The Blazers aren't playing fantasy basketball. They are playing real basketball. That list is just that, for fantasy. Stats, nothing else. Players like Pierce and Wallace are better fantasy players and might even have better seasons next year. But there is no way I would take either of them over Nic. That other list is just a joke. We traded Wallace last year so we could keep Nic, and Minny let Beasley walk just so they could have a chance at getting him. Evans is a guard!? As far as Deng, Pierce, and Butler? Any of those teams would jump at the opportunity to swap their players for Nic. 
    I am a fan of close games.
  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/14/2012 9:21 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/14/2012 9:42 AM
    The fourth quarter is where Batum disappears he was the least productive starter in crunch time last season we had. That much I have already documented. We need a new offensive philosophy, sorry Terry jacking up threes like we are team USA in the Olympics is not going to cut it.

    I agree with cmeese47


    As I have said before. I look at facts not potential. Batum hasthe last two years to develop his potential.

    It is blatantly obvious to the Batum Lovers that you believe he will live up tohis potential and will not look at the actual facts of what he has done thelast two years.   I agree he has flashesof talent on both the offense and defensive side of the ball.  He is an average maybe above average playerat best.  The primary difference between himand the Top SF’s in the league is that they are closers both on defense andoffense and they consistently put up points in the fourth quarter.  Batum Disappears in the forth and scoresabove 10 points in a game about 67% of the time (this is a fact).

    Again, I do not hate Batum, I hope and pray he plays to hispotential, but I do not think he is capable of doing so based on the facts ofhis performance the last two years.  I amso sick and tired of hearing about his potential.

    Paul Allen said thatBatum is one of the main corner stones of our franchise.  With that being said what it will take forhim to step up and plays like a leader.  Hehas it in him, if he will do it, but that is not him.  That is not Nic; he would rather put theburden of scoring on LA.  Is that a trueteam player?

    I DO NOT HATE BATUM; I AM ONLY TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT HISPOTENTIAL.  My guess is within a coupleof years he will be traded to unload this ugly contract.

    FYTI the rankings on the Fantasy Board are based on Stats nothing more nothing less.






    BATUM, play like you are worth $11M; I will be the first to admitI was wrong if you play at your potential. I hope he proves me wrong, I really do.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/14/2012 11:01 PM

    Posted By FoulWeatherFan on 08/14/2012 3:52 PM
    The Blazers aren't playing fantasy basketball. They are playing real basketball. That list is just that, for fantasy. Stats, nothing else. Players like Pierce and Wallace are better fantasy players and might even have better seasons next year. But there is no way I would take either of them over Nic. That other list is just a joke. We traded Wallace last year so we could keep Nic, and Minny let Beasley walk just so they could have a chance at getting him. Evans is a guard!? As far as Deng, Pierce, and Butler? Any of those teams would jump at the opportunity to swap their players for Nic. 

    I guarantee you that neither Chicago or Boston would swap Deng or Pierce for Batum. I am pretty sure the Clippers would make that deal. 

    Here is the real SF rankings:
    1. Lebron James 3 MVP and NBA title enough said
    2. Kevin Durant leader of team USA, multiple scoring titles enough said
    3. Carmelo Anthony say what you want about him but he has worked hard to be a good two way player if he learns to pass he could rival the top two.
    4. Paul Pierce he won't stay this high forever but he has a lot left in the tank. He almost we for 20 5 and 5 last season.
    5. Danny Granger it was a close battle between him and Gay but I think he is a better team player and his is a much better defender.
    6. Rudy Gay 19 and 6.4 rebounds are solid numbers he is not quite earning that max deal but if he keeps improving he could be in the top 4 next year.
    7. Luol Deng he was an all star last year and should put up better numbers this season without Rose. He needs to improve his FG% to go higher but his defense is still top notch
    8. Nicolas Batum he has all the skills needed to get into the upper echelon of SF he just not seem to have the drive. 
    9. Gerald Wallace he is still a great rebounder, defender and tireless workhorse but he will be the 4th option on the Nets next season which will limit his production he could fall if his defense falters or others step up.
    10. Jared Dudley he is a young explosive player who is on his way up, I expect him to have a good season. 

    If Josh Smith counts as a SF or Paul George then Batum falls to 10th overall.

    Right now he is somewhere in the group with Wallace, Dudley, Thaddeus Young, and Paul George. 
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 08/14/2012 11:53 PM

    Agree with most of that list cmeese except Carmello's position. In a 1on1 game I would probably take him over just about anyone on that list or any other list for that matter but unfortunately he really cant play team ball and he just started to play defense because Amare shamed him into it. I would take Paul Pierce any day over Melo at that position and maybe Danny Granger. When Melo gets old and his mark falls off he is going to get dropped off the face of basketball while alot of other names on the list will hang around because they are willing to do the dirty work and know the whole world does not revolve around them.
    Case in point Gerald Wallace.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/15/2012 6:52 AM

    cmeese47 I agree with your list 100%. 

    The question is what separates Batum from getting into the Top 5?  He is not playing up to his potential.  Will he, my opinion is doubtful, but that is the $11M questions.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/15/2012 7:41 AM

    Posted By barnettfan on 08/14/2012 11:53 PM
    Agree with most of that list cmeese except Carmello's position. In a 1on1 game I would probably take him over just about anyone on that list or any other list for that matter but unfortunately he really cant play team ball and he just started to play defense because Amare shamed him into it. I would take Paul Pierce any day over Melo at that position and maybe Danny Granger. When Melo gets old and his mark falls off he is going to get dropped off the face of basketball while alot of other names on the list will hang around because they are willing to do the dirty work and know the whole world does not revolve around them.
    Case in point Gerald Wallace.

    I had Pierce initially third but his age will likely affect him at some point this season so I dropped him to fourth.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/15/2012 8:05 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/15/2012 7:41 AM
    Posted By barnettfan on 08/14/2012 11:53 PM
    Agree with most of that list cmeese except Carmello's position. In a 1on1 game I would probably take him over just about anyone on that list or any other list for that matter but unfortunately he really cant play team ball and he just started to play defense because Amare shamed him into it. I would take Paul Pierce any day over Melo at that position and maybe Danny Granger. When Melo gets old and his mark falls off he is going to get dropped off the face of basketball while alot of other names on the list will hang around because they are willing to do the dirty work and know the whole world does not revolve around them.
    Case in point Gerald Wallace.

    I had Pierce initially third but his age will likely affect him at some point this season so I dropped him to fourth.


    Funny thing about Pierce, is that the sold called experts have been questioning his age for the last three years and he has always proved them wrong.  I think he will this season as well now that him, KG and Rondo will have to carry the team now that Allen bolted to South Beach.

    He will continue to show the experts wrong for the next three or four seasons.  He is only 34.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/15/2012 9:42 AM

    It is not the Pierce will fall far it is more that Carmelo is really really good. 
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/15/2012 10:39 AM

    and what will be intersting will the Knicks be able to keep him after next season as he can opt out.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 08/15/2012 2:12 PM

    Agreed that Carmelo is really good but his all about me attitude will kill his chances of winning a title. Until that changes he will fail wherever he goes.
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/15/2012 3:01 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/14/2012 11:01 PM
    Posted By FoulWeatherFan on 08/14/2012 3:52 PM
    The Blazers aren't playing fantasy basketball. They are playing real basketball. That list is just that, for fantasy. Stats, nothing else. Players like Pierce and Wallace are better fantasy players and might even have better seasons next year. But there is no way I would take either of them over Nic. That other list is just a joke. We traded Wallace last year so we could keep Nic, and Minny let Beasley walk just so they could have a chance at getting him. Evans is a guard!? As far as Deng, Pierce, and Butler? Any of those teams would jump at the opportunity to swap their players for Nic. 

    I guarantee you that neither Chicago or Boston would swap Deng or Pierce for Batum. I am pretty sure the Clippers would make that deal. 

    Here is the real SF rankings:
    1. Lebron James 3 MVP and NBA title enough said
    2. Kevin Durant leader of team USA, multiple scoring titles enough said
    3. Carmelo Anthony say what you want about him but he has worked hard to be a good two way player if he learns to pass he could rival the top two.
    4. Paul Pierce he won't stay this high forever but he has a lot left in the tank. He almost we for 20 5 and 5 last season.
    5. Danny Granger it was a close battle between him and Gay but I think he is a better team player and his is a much better defender.
    6. Rudy Gay 19 and 6.4 rebounds are solid numbers he is not quite earning that max deal but if he keeps improving he could be in the top 4 next year.
    7. Luol Deng he was an all star last year and should put up better numbers this season without Rose. He needs to improve his FG% to go higher but his defense is still top notch
    8. Nicolas Batum he has all the skills needed to get into the upper echelon of SF he just not seem to have the drive. 
    9. Gerald Wallace he is still a great rebounder, defender and tireless workhorse but he will be the 4th option on the Nets next season which will limit his production he could fall if his defense falters or others step up.
    10. Jared Dudley he is a young explosive player who is on his way up, I expect him to have a good season. 

    If Josh Smith counts as a SF or Paul George then Batum falls to 10th overall.

    Right now he is somewhere in the group with Wallace, Dudley, Thaddeus Young, and Paul George. 
    Ok, I take back Deng. He's younger than I thought he was. But Pierce is going to be out of the league in 5 years and Batum will be in his prime. For that reason alone I guarantee Boston would make that deal. And that is a perfect list of the SF's in the NBA, except for the last spot. I would have to put Gallinari, AI, and Chandler above Dudley. How scary is it that all three of those players are on the same team.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/15/2012 3:53 PM

    This what we paid for. Now we need to cash in.

    http://youtu.be/3-LGEYQLF_Q
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/15/2012 3:54 PM

    And this......

    http://youtu.be/LnPfgUyb2dI
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/15/2012 3:55 PM

    And.....

    http://youtu.be/GLrIqK2e0EI
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/15/2012 7:15 PM

    Again, he has flashes of brilliance but not consistent inperformance.   Batum fans areconsistently looking at his potential, not his actual performance.  Again last year he scored 10 points or more67% of the time and the only thing he is really consistent at is not playing aswell in the second half as he does in the first half

     

    Batum needs to grow a pair so you Batum Lovers can quittalking about his potential and have actual foundation for their support.

     

    I am not a Batum hater; I look at the facts of what he hasdone.  Did he elevate his game lastseason? No

     

    As you said now we need to cash in or the Blazers justwasted $45M Dollars.

     

    I want Batum to prove me wrong.  As I have seen multiple times on this boardmost people believe that he is only capable of giving us 14 to 15 points agame.  Is that worth 11M?

     

    We have to wait and see.

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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/15/2012 7:55 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/15/2012 7:15 PM

    Again, he has flashes of brilliance but not consistent inperformance.   Batum fans areconsistently looking at his potential, not his actual performance.  Again last year he scored 10 points or more67% of the time and the only thing he is really consistent at is not playing aswell in the second half as he does in the first half

     

    Batum needs to grow a pair so you Batum Lovers can quittalking about his potential and have actual foundation for their support.

     

    I am not a Batum hater; I look at the facts of what he hasdone.  Did he elevate his game lastseason? No

     

    As you said now we need to cash in or the Blazers justwasted $45M Dollars.

     

    I want Batum to prove me wrong.  As I have seen multiple times on this boardmost people believe that he is only capable of giving us 14 to 15 points agame.  Is that worth 11M?

     

    We have to wait and see.


    For $11 mil a year, he better bring that up to a minimum of 20ppg. Hopefully Stotts can get a Marion type effort out of him.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/16/2012 6:41 AM

    From what I have heard of Stotts he has a Rick Adelman type of thought process when it comes to Offense.  This maybe a good fit for Batum.  We will have to wait and see.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/16/2012 8:31 PM

    By

    (Correspondent) on August 16, 2012Projected 2012-13 Stats:

    on August 16, 2012Projected 2012-13 Stats:

     

    17.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 2.0 steals, 1.0 blocks, 47% field goal, 38% three-point, 84% free throw in 35.5 minutes per game.

    Through his first four NBA seasons, Nicolas Batum has been known for his potential. Scouts around the league raved about Batum's upside, and consequently his name was frequently present in trade rumors. But while Batum has progressed nicely since his rookie season in 2009, he still has yet to live up to his star potential, and a big reason for that may be the offense that had been run in Portland up until Nate McMillan's departure.

    So he increase his points by 2 to 3 points per game,

    Not bad for our $45m Man.

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  1. Sean Blaser
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    Posted 08/19/2012 1:52 AM


    Posted By barnettfan on 08/01/2012 11:14 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/01/2012 3:21 PM


    </br>
    That was a little much I do not want to see Babbitt near the court unless we are up or down 15
    Which is where Babbit is the most effictive. Obviously when all your players who can play alot of defense and cant get the ball in the hole (object of the game in case you did not know) than you want someone who can shoot on a consistant basis to be able to knock down the 3 ball and get you back in. I mean we could have a whole team of Dennis Rodmans it would be a low scoring games but we would lose most of them which is why our team sucked for the last 2 years and we could not get out of the 1st round in the years before and why Nate was fired. Babbitt is a better shooter than Batum, Babbit is a better rebounder than Batum and only because Babbit is not afraid to break a nail to go get it where as I think Batum is. If Babbit gets more playing time he will become a better defender/player and that was proven last year. But he is a pure spot up shooter and has proven that he can hit the clutch shot. So it is doubtful that he will ever be more than a situational player he could turn out to be one of the best in the league which is a commodity that only championship teams seem to have the luxury to afford. Just ask Robert Hoary. So now I know you are exsaperated with Luke because he is not a lock down defender or much of a defender yet (and I will say yet because I have hopes for the young man) that you can maybe see his worth? Or are you as obtuse as Nate was and willing to let him rot on your bench because he does not play basketball like you think he should instead of using him for his strengths?

    </br>

    Babbit=d leaugue material
  1. Sean Blaser
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    Posted 08/19/2012 2:02 AM


    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/15/2012 7:15 PM
    <p>Again, he has flashes of brilliance but not consistent inperformance.   Batum fans areconsistently looking at his potential, not his actual performance.  Again last year he scored 10 points or more67% of the time and the only thing he is really consistent at is not playing aswell in the second half as he does in the first half</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>Batum needs to grow a pair so you Batum Lovers can quittalking about his potential and have actual foundation for their support.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I am not a Batum hater; I look at the facts of what he hasdone.  Did he elevate his game lastseason? No</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>As you said now we need to cash in or the Blazers justwasted $45M Dollars.</p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>I want Batum to prove me wrong.  As I have seen multiple times on this boardmost people believe that he is only capable of giving us 14 to 15 points agame.  Is that worth 11M? </p>
    <p> </p>
    <p>We have to wait and see.</p>

    I think close numbers to last season is what u can expect just cause hes getting paid more isnt gonna instantly change his game I think as hos contract nears the end hell grow in2o becoming worth that much I still think paying him that much on potential really is rediculous
  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/19/2012 6:04 PM

    Projections:

    2013 NBA

    PTS: 18.2 , With Batum averaging 18 points per game, I think we will feel like we are getting what they payed for. It will be a higher average because he is going to get more time on the floor.

    MIN: 37.4 , More time of the floor for Batum because he will stay healthy and there will be no reason to play any other SF more than 12 minutes per game. That is of course unless Will Barton proves to be nasty. Batum's other minutes could be at the 2 position if this is the case.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/20/2012 11:08 AM

    I hope he does above 18, and he can do that in the first half.  My issue with Batum is that he needs to play in the forth quarter and not disappear.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 10/12/2012 1:27 PM

    Great Analysis on Batum.  I hope he earns that fat contract he signed.

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/12/nba-season-preview-portland-trail-blazers/


    Three keys to the Trail Blazers season:

    1) Nicolas Batum, it is time to step up and earn that contract. Through four NBA seasons, Batum has been good — last season he averaged 13.9 points per game, shot 39.1 percent from three, took on more offense and had a PER of 17.3, and he shows flashes as a defender but is not consistent. This season — with Batum sporting shiny new a four-year, $45 million contract — they are paying him to play like a star. Portland needs him to be real NBA No. 2 guy on a team. He has to be better than just pretty good most of the time.

    He needs to score more and lead on offense. He can knock down the three, but his handle needs to improve so he can attack better off the dribble. The defense needs to be there nightly. He needs to find a groove with Damien Lillard. The Blazers have locked themselves in a bit with big contracts to Aldridge and Batum, those two have to be the stars. Aldridge will be, no question. Batum has got the skills, but this needs to be his breakout year.



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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 10/13/2012 3:44 PM

    How does everyone on here hate on Batum and yet hype Matthews? Lets be honest here, Matthews disappears probably more often then Batum and he also was paid more (if I remember correctly) then Batum last season. So Matthews gets a free get out of jail card because he has "tenacity" and "passion" yet just because Batum is mellow, he gets chewed out? Please. If you are going to hate on players, do it equally. I would rather have Batum then a healthy Brandon Roy because Batum is a team player. He doesn't need to kill it every minute of a game.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 10/14/2012 2:26 PM

    Like I said, I do not hate Batum, but even today he admitted he needs to be more consisten.

    Eggers: Blazers F Nicolas Batum Eyes Improved Consistency After New Contract

    http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/10/14/3501308/eggers-blazers-f-nicolas-batum-eyes-improved-consistency-after-new

    Boy talk about Master of the obvious.
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