We Paid How Much for Batum?
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 08/06/2012 12:31 PM

    if batum averages high teen in points and 5-6 rebounds he is worth his money as a thrid option
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/06/2012 1:31 PM

    From reviewing his performance at the Olympics, to me it shows me that Batum is at this best when he is playing again mediocre talent. Yes the international stage has some good players from the NBA, but it is not the same caliber of talent he will be facing in every game in the NBA.  If he wants to prove he is worth the kind of money we paid him ne needs to elevate his game from a C+ to B- game to and A Game.

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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 08/06/2012 4:07 PM

    Batum and Durant were the only two players in the league to average at least one three pointer, one steal, and one rejection... pretty good company 

    I think we struck gold and in a few years as the cap gets bigger this deal will look sweeter as he matures age wise into his mid 20's
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 08/06/2012 4:17 PM

    Batum's offense is def a plus but his ability to defend the arc and defend quick three's was critical to our team as we have no other 6 8 wing who covers the ground Nic can.  I guess I am the glass half full guy but I wouldn't say I drinking my own Koolaid, more like a Rogue Oatmeal Stout
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/06/2012 5:43 PM

    Portland Trail Blazers forward Joel Freeland didn't log many minutes in Great Britain's 90-58 win over China on Monday, but he still found a way to make his presence felt. In just 10 minutes of play, Freeland scored 10 points on 5-of-9 shooting and pulled down 6 rebounds. His playing time was limited due to foul trouble; he quickly racked up 4 fouls trying to guard Jianlian Yi.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/06/2012 9:17 PM

    Posted By D Licious on 08/06/2012 4:17 PM

    Batum's offense is def a plus but his ability to defend the arc and defend quick three's was critical to our team as we have no other 6 8 wing who covers the ground Nic can.  I guess I am the glass half full guy but I wouldn't say I drinking my own Koolaid, more like a Rogue Oatmeal Stout




    I agree Batum has speed and also can play defense. But he also has the best disappearing act in the NBA in the second half. Once he starts playing a solid complete 25 minutes a game then maybe I will start drinking the Batum Kool-Aid.





    This is the season he needs to step up and not just show us glimpses of how good he is. The Olympics were a prime example. When he played against less the mediocre teams, he played great; when it was against tough teams he started strong and disappeared.



    The Heart and guts of this team will be Wesley, JJ and LA needs to step up like he did when Roy was injured.



    If we can get a complete strong 25 minutes a night from Batum we will be in the Playoffs and if he does do that, no way we will make the playoffs.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/06/2012 9:21 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 08/06/2012 5:43 PM

    Portland Trail Blazers forward Joel Freeland didn't log many minutes in Great Britain's 90-58 win over China on Monday, but he still found a way to make his presence felt. In just 10 minutes of play, Freeland scored 10 points on 5-of-9 shooting and pulled down 6 rebounds. His playing time was limited due to foul trouble; he quickly racked up 4 fouls trying to guard Jianlian Yi.



    Thank God Joel is finally coming to Portland.  Portland now has the Middle taken care of for the next few years.



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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/06/2012 10:23 PM

    Posted By D Licious on 08/06/2012 4:17 PM
    Batum's offense is def a plus but his ability to defend the arc and defend quick three's was critical to our team as we have no other 6 8 wing who covers the ground Nic can.  I guess I am the glass half full guy but I wouldn't say I drinking my own Koolaid, more like a Rogue Oatmeal Stout

    Unfortunately, Batum's struggles on defense especially guarding the three point line are a big problem. He has talent but this notion he is an elite defender has to stop. He can become an elite defender with consistent effort and playing up on his man but he routinely plays off his man and makes lazy plays several times a game. 
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/07/2012 12:26 AM

    Some people who hasnt watched the France games need to understand this:
    France runs a different offence than much NBA teams. Nobody goes 1 on 1 when they have the ball. Most of the offense consists of ball movement to get to the open player. Batum sometimes will show some of his ball handle and mid range moves , but mostly the offence does not rely on one player. France plays as a team.

    This is different then how Batum will play in Portland. Here he will be coming off screens, running pick and rolls, and going 1 on 1. This is just informing people who just read the Box Scores (I was before 1-2 games ago)
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/07/2012 7:04 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/06/2012 10:23 PM
    Posted By D Licious on 08/06/2012 4:17 PM
    Batum's offense is def a plus but his ability to defend the arc and defend quick three's was critical to our team as we have no other 6 8 wing who covers the ground Nic can.  I guess I am the glass half full guy but I wouldn't say I drinking my own Koolaid, more like a Rogue Oatmeal Stout

    Unfortunately, Batum's struggles on defense especially guarding the three point line are a big problem. He has talent but this notion he is an elite defender has to stop. He can become an elite defender with consistent effort and playing up on his man but he routinely plays off his man and makes lazy plays several times a game. 

    I am glad there is someone else on this Board who is willing to speak the truth and not drink the Batum Kool-Aid. 

    On Offense in the first half he is pretty consistent, which is what he has shown in the Olympics on less than mediocre teams.  People you all know this, but you are drunk from drinking the Batum Kool-Aid.

    The One Talent Batum has like no other is to disappear in the second half.

    His defense has been suspect in the past, and this is the best description of his defense I have seen on these boards.

    I want him to succeed, and if you think I am bad for putting under the microscope, wait until the season starts.  Batum will wish he had a colonoscopy instead.

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/07/2012 4:41 PM

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/07/2012 11:26 PM

    You can do better than a single letter response to bump your thread back to the top
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/08/2012 7:33 AM

    Ooops I did nto realize I did that.  We have more to worry about than Batum. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/08/2012 9:27 AM

    Batum is sucking right now in a important game. 1-7 in the first half. Big game and he is no where to be found right now.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 08/08/2012 9:40 AM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/07/2012 7:04 AM
    Posted By cmeese47 on 08/06/2012 10:23 PM
    Posted By D Licious on 08/06/2012 4:17 PM
    Batum's offense is def a plus but his ability to defend the arc and defend quick three's was critical to our team as we have no other 6 8 wing who covers the ground Nic can.  I guess I am the glass half full guy but I wouldn't say I drinking my own Koolaid, more like a Rogue Oatmeal Stout

    Unfortunately, Batum's struggles on defense especially guarding the three point line are a big problem. He has talent but this notion he is an elite defender has to stop. He can become an elite defender with consistent effort and playing up on his man but he routinely plays off his man and makes lazy plays several times a game. 

    I am glad there is someone else on this Board who is willing to speak the truth and not drink the Batum Kool-Aid. 

    On Offense in the first half he is pretty consistent, which is what he has shown in the Olympics on less than mediocre teams.  People you all know this, but you are drunk from drinking the Batum Kool-Aid.

    The One Talent Batum has like no other is to disappear in the second half.

    His defense has been suspect in the past, and this is the best description of his defense I have seen on these boards.

    I want him to succeed, and if you think I am bad for putting under the microscope, wait until the season starts.  Batum will wish he had a colonoscopy instead.

    I've had season ticks every year we have had Batum... I can't tell you how many run down blocks from behind I've seen him do... also he always gets the toughest matchups.... Lebron, Carmelo, Durant, types fall to him everynight... who else on our roster can even think about guarding those guys night in and night out.  I love having a 6 8 wing that can play multiple positions.

    I def disagree about Batum being a bust on D... without him we would get killed by 3's... with him we have a chance

    Last year sucked for all of our players.

    Batum leading the French team in scoring and stroking it at 60% is impressive for 23 year old player.   I can't wait for this season to see how Batum matures into his new role of the second option for Lillard.  

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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/08/2012 10:15 AM

    Well he disappeared again aganst Spain.  Yes I know he has moments of great defense, but it is not consistent, nor is his offense.



    Player Position min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS PF Pts
    Tony Parker G 37:59 6/20 1/4 2/3 2 6 1 2 0 0 1 15
    Nicolas Batum F 32:20 3/12 1/5 2/2 3 5 1 1 0 1 3 9
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/08/2012 11:17 AM

    Poor Frenchy no medals for you.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 08/08/2012 11:42 AM

    Hopefully Stotts can get the most out of Batum's potential. But I do think we vastly overpaid for his services.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/08/2012 12:05 PM

    Posted By ClydeFrog on 08/08/2012 11:42 AM
    Hopefully Stotts can get the most out of Batum's potential. But I do think we vastly overpaid for his services.


    Ya think?  Maybe we  can get our new Defensive Coordinator Kaleb to get him to play defense.
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  1. darth_siles
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    Posted 08/08/2012 2:05 PM

    Portland should trade Batum inmediatly. He has shown today against Spain what he is capable of... i mean, attacking Juan Carlos Navarro completely out of control is not acceptable.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/08/2012 2:17 PM

    He was going for the ball he just didn't care if he missed. Your box scored sucked today but you redeemed your self in my book Batum well done until that weak apology on twitter.
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  1. darth_siles
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    Posted 08/08/2012 2:28 PM

    Cmeese47, you are pathetic.

    Is this going for the ball?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ColwUC1yTmU

    are you kidding? Batum grinding his teeth???


    can you catch the ball with his hand closed? clenching the fist? wow! then he is really an amazing player, if he can play the ball with his hands closed then we have paid very little for him!!!
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/08/2012 3:05 PM

    Posted By darth_siles on 08/08/2012 2:28 PM
    Cmeese47, you are pathetic.

    Is this going for the ball?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ColwUC1yTmU

    are you kidding? Batum grinding his teeth???


    can you catch the ball with his hand closed? clenching the fist? wow! then he is really an amazing player, if he can play the ball with his hands closed then we have paid very little for him!!!


    Well Said.  He did not even try and catch it and if you look at his fist he was going right fo the family jewels.  It was a total cheap shot made worse by the pathectic tweet.

    Cmeese47 is drunk on te Batum Kool-Aid.

    At least he should some NBA toughness at then end and not his typical passive game.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/08/2012 3:38 PM

    Posted By darth_siles on 08/08/2012 2:28 PM
    Cmeese47, you are pathetic.

    Is this going for the ball?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ColwUC1yTmU

    are you kidding? Batum grinding his teeth???


    can you catch the ball with his hand closed? clenching the fist? wow! then he is really an amazing player, if he can play the ball with his hands closed then we have paid very little for him!!!

    You can clearly see in the video he got the ball. Here is the type of plays that Batum faced all day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvXFCu0gUDI If watching that doesn't make you want to foul Rudy then go watch curling cause that is pathetic.
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  1. darth_siles
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    Posted 08/08/2012 6:02 PM

    So you are using as an argument a video of Rudy in a Denver's NBA game? great... may i remember you that we are talking about Navarro (not Rudy), Spain (not Denver), Olympic games (not NBA).. great!
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/08/2012 6:45 PM

    The video goes to character the Spanish team flops more than any team in history. I could have found videos of Navarro, Calderon, or the Gasols. The whole team flopped against France and tanked against Brazil to avoid USA. These dirty tactics made Batum furious and rightfully so, was he justified that is the debate I think so you obviously do not. 
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/08/2012 8:35 PM

    Even though I think there was more intent to punch the game ball rather than other balls, it wasn't a classy move by Batum. Obviously it just didn't look right.

    Aside from that, all of us (me included) that were against resigning Batum should at least get behind him and see if he can prove us wrong. He's still one of the better starting SF in the game. We're stuck with him for a while like it or not so let's hope for the best. We all know the potential is there, maybe Stotts will be the one to pry it out of him. I hope I'm wrong about Batum and am eating my words this season.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/08/2012 9:10 PM

    Posted By darth_siles on 08/08/2012 2:05 PM

    Portland should trade Batum inmediatly. He has shown today against Spain what he is capable of... i mean, attacking Juan Carlos Navarro completely out of control is not acceptable.


    Looooooook, im your father. My bad, i couldnt resist. Its a blessing in disguise. Now that France is no longer in contention, im going to need Batum to get back here and gel with Lillard.As well as Freeland. USA is going to get the Gold. The only way they dont is if they meet the Iragi squad in the finals. I hear they have an explosive team. But..... since we dont have anyone left playing in the Olympics,this is an opportune time for the squad to get together and mesh under the tutelage of Stotts. The sooner the better.



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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/08/2012 9:28 PM

    Common that was terrible and by the way we still have Claver in the Olympics. 
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/08/2012 11:14 PM

    Spain is in the Olympics. Claver ?
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 08/08/2012 11:16 PM

    And who is this covert Lakers fan ?
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    Posted 08/08/2012 11:16 PM

    And who is this covert Lakers fan ?
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/09/2012 12:06 AM

    This is my cousins take on the situation.

    Batum is straight up BOSS for what he did.  RESPECT.  The bottom line is, there is way to much flopping and bad officiating in the basketball sport.  This act by Batum was caused by frustration for too much flopping over the course of the game and he simply decided to give the officials something to blow their whistle for. Flopping ultimately takes away the creativity of a player because the referee simply sees an offensive foul...and BATUM is one of the most creative and agile players in the game..which is why BLAZERS fought so hard to keep him.  They recognize his talent.  BATUM doesn't have a history of acting out, so people should already know he is a model player, but anyone with his level of talent will eventually get tired of the unsportsmanlike conduct that most NBA players have learned to use to their advantage.  Players basically flop and manipulate the referee into giving them free calls.  Well Batum, I respect your ability to take a stance. 
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/09/2012 12:06 AM

    This is my cousins take on the situation.

    Batum is straight up BOSS for what he did.  RESPECT.  The bottom line is, there is way to much flopping and bad officiating in the basketball sport.  This act by Batum was caused by frustration for too much flopping over the course of the game and he simply decided to give the officials something to blow their whistle for. Flopping ultimately takes away the creativity of a player because the referee simply sees an offensive foul...and BATUM is one of the most creative and agile players in the game..which is why BLAZERS fought so hard to keep him.  They recognize his talent.  BATUM doesn't have a history of acting out, so people should already know he is a model player, but anyone with his level of talent will eventually get tired of the unsportsmanlike conduct that most NBA players have learned to use to their advantage.  Players basically flop and manipulate the referee into giving them free calls.  Well Batum, I respect your ability to take a stance. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/09/2012 9:33 AM

    Basketball has become soft a bunch of over privileged cry babies out there. What ever happened to the tough guys from the hood. I grew up no blood no foul no you cant even play a pick up game without one of these Nancy boys calling fouls on every minor contact. As the Scots would say grow a pair of bollocks.  
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 08/09/2012 9:33 AM

    Basketball has become soft a bunch of over privileged cry babies out there. What ever happened to the tough guys from the hood. I grew up no blood no foul no you cant even play a pick up game without one of these Nancy boys calling fouls on every minor contact. As the Scots would say grow a pair of bollocks.  
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/09/2012 11:00 AM

    Posted By Siccolo on 08/09/2012 12:06 AM
    This is my cousins take on the situation.

    Batum is straight up BOSS for what he did.  RESPECT.  The bottom line is, there is way to much flopping and bad officiating in the basketball sport.  This act by Batum was caused by frustration for too much flopping over the course of the game and he simply decided to give the officials something to blow their whistle for. Flopping ultimately takes away the creativity of a player because the referee simply sees an offensive foul...and BATUM is one of the most creative and agile players in the game..which is why BLAZERS fought so hard to keep him.  They recognize his talent.  BATUM doesn't have a history of acting out, so people should already know he is a model player, but anyone with his level of talent will eventually get tired of the unsportsmanlike conduct that most NBA players have learned to use to their advantage.  Players basically flop and manipulate the referee into giving them free calls.  Well Batum, I respect your ability to take a stance. 

    And who is one of the Top Floppers in the League?  BATUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        Batum has taken so many Flops in his career it is hard to count.  I am not a fan of flopping? Never have been, never will be.  I believe in a good tough player (Pryzbilla) taking a hard charge and getting hit.

    Yes I agree NBA Players need to be tough, but that is not Batum.   He is a Passive Player, he shows great Talent at times but lacks the consistency and toughness of an Aldridge to be a Top Player in this league.

    People wake up you want Batum to be someone he is not capable of and not worth what we had to pay him.

    I say Give me a team of JJ’s Wesley and LA all of who have toughness and can take a hit and we will be NBA Champions.


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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 08/09/2012 2:52 PM

    Batum.. took more charges than any other Blazer last year.... your hating on Batum is too funny, I guess some fans are just negative by nature and really have no clue what Nic provides on D....and just don't appreciate a good player when you have one...  I am a Nic Batum fan though, guess I'll just agree to disagree.  Nic turns 24 this year and I see a breakout season in the midst, all you haters keep on hating I'm going to be smilin about #88 playing the 3 for us. 
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/10/2012 7:39 AM

    Posted By D Licious on 08/09/2012 2:52 PM
    Batum.. took more charges than any other Blazer last year.... your hating on Batum is too funny, I guess some fans are just negative by nature and really have no clue what Nic provides on D....and just don't appreciate a good player when you have one...  I am a Nic Batum fan though, guess I'll just agree to disagree.  Nic turns 24 this year and I see a breakout season in the midst, all you haters keep on hating I'm going to be smilin about #88 playing the 3 for us. 

    Quit drinking the Batum Kool-Aid.  Let me correct you son something.  I am not a Batum Hater.  What I do hate is everyone talking about his potential.  Everyone who posts positives things about him on this board forgets, he really does not know how to close out a game.

    Yes I know what you will say, but wait till the future.  Let’s compare him to other Blazer Players who were in their second or third year.  Brandon Roy – enough said, L- Train, who of course could forget Clyde Drexler, even Jerome Kersey (4th year in the league averaging 19 Points per game), or who could forget Sidney Wicks?  I am sure there are more but I do not have time to find them all; Do I need to say anymore? 

    Secondly let’s compare him to Wesley Mathews, stats are pretty much the same, but who plays with more aggressiveness and tenacity?  Yet Batum makes twice as much as Matthews?  Batum is not twice the player as Matthews.

    If we are going to contend against Dwight Howard and the Lakers, then after four years in this league, he better become the Marquis Player that Batum lovers, his agent, and even he does think he is and glad we kept him at any cost.  Then it is time for him to grow a pair and start playing at his potential, not below as he has been doing and playing under the radar like he is notorious for.

    Personally, as I have said many times before, give me a team of JJ’s, Mathews, L-Train and other guys like that who are willing to play hard every minute they are in the game with guts and tenacity and not disappear in the second half like Batum does, and I would be much happier than glad we kept a player who has a lot of potential.

    I hope I am proven wrong about this and the Blazers did not waste their money, but as I leaned watching, living and dying with the Blazers since 1970, the Blazers have gotten burned multiple times on potential and not looked clearly at all the implications of signing a contract like they gave Batum.

    Again, I hope I am wrong about this, but if Batum plays the same way he did in the past two years, then the Blazers will be a mediocre team in this league.  Batum needs to step up and lead and become that super star Batum Lovers and Batum think he is.


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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 11:43 AM

    This is such a classy quote from our $11M Small Forward!

    "I wanted to give him a good reason to flop."

    —Blazers forward Nicolas Batum, after kneeing Spain's Juan-Carlos Navarro in the groin in France's quarterfinal loss at the Olympic Games.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/report#notes_quotes

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  1. jwood
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    Posted 08/13/2012 12:06 PM

    "Then it is time for him to grow a pair and start playing at his potential, not below as he has been doing and playing under the radar like he is notorious for."

    what? he was drafted toward the end of the 1st round.  i'd say he's played well beyond expectations so far based on the player he was thought to be before being drafted.  so far, his career looks about like what you'd expect from a mid lottery pick.  and his money isn't max contract money so i think people are overblowing this a bit.  he was the best SF on the market and i'm glad we retained him.  think of the hole that would be left at SF if we did not resign batum.  it was just something we had to do. i think batum does play with passion and effort usually. it's just he does not have a very animated personality.  kind of like LMA.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 08/13/2012 12:26 PM

    After being critical of Batum myself in the past, I am now looking to what the future holds for him. I think the one person that can help bring out the best in Batum is Damian Lillard. Of course we want Nic taking that open 3 when it's there, but I think what we may see is when he figures out that when he moves around, whether on the perimiter or towards the hoop, Lillard is going to find him and reward him with the ball. It may take several games, but I hope and believe that he will get it.
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 1:21 PM

    Posted By benh7777 on 08/13/2012 12:26 PM
    After being critical of Batum myself in the past, I am now looking to what the future holds for him. I think the one person that can help bring out the best in Batum is Damian Lillard. Of course we want Nic taking that open 3 when it's there, but I think what we may see is when he figures out that when he moves around, whether on the perimiter or towards the hoop, Lillard is going to find him and reward him with the ball. It may take several games, but I hope and believe that he will get it. I


    I too am looking towards the future and hope Damian can help his game.  Many times on this post I have heard other bloggers including myself he needs to grow a pair.  I hope he does and not just sit back and continue to play like he did last year and that is mostly disappearing when the game is on the line.  I am hopefull, but also being realistic if Batum's past is any indication of his future, it does not look bright.

    Even when Roy was running th team, we did not see the full capacity of Batum's Talent so I do not know how Damian can help.  Just a thought. 
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/13/2012 1:22 PM

    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/08/2012 10:15 AM
    Well he disappeared again aganst Spain.  Yes I know he has moments of great defense, but it is not consistent, nor is his offense.



    Player Position min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS PF Pts
    Tony Parker G 37:59 6/20 1/4 2/3 2 6 1 2 0 0 1 15
    Nicolas Batum F 32:20 3/12 1/5 2/2 3 5 1 1 0 1 3 9

    Are we reading the same box score? You are telling me that he disappeared while arguably having a better stat line that Tony Parker. I'm not saying that he had a good game, but where is your argument?
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 1:27 PM

    You really must be drunk on the Batum Kool-Aid who cares what Tony Parker's stats were. He was 3/12 Shooting 1/5 Three point  so he was a total of 4/17 Shooting.  Is that an $11m player?
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  1. Siccolo
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    Posted 08/13/2012 1:53 PM

    Posted By jwood on 08/13/2012 12:06 PM
    "Then it is time for him to grow a pair and start playing at his potential, not below as he has been doing and playing under the radar like he is notorious for."

    what? he was drafted toward the end of the 1st round.  i'd say he's played well beyond expectations so far based on the player he was thought to be before being drafted.  so far, his career looks about like what you'd expect from a mid lottery pick.  and his money isn't max contract money so i think people are overblowing this a bit.  he was the best SF on the market and i'm glad we retained him.  think of the hole that would be left at SF if we did not resign batum.  it was just something we had to do. i think batum does play with passion and effort usually. it's just he does not have a very animated personality.  kind of like LMA.

    Totally agree with people. I dont think Batum has the capability to be a 20-22 point player. He is a great player. But people shuold lower there expectations for him. For a player drafted at 25 like him and to avg 14 pts 4 reb and play exceptional defense he exceeded expectations. I mean if he can get 15-16 points and 4-5 rebounds i will be happy. I wish he would have more passion and move around more in the offense. 
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 08/13/2012 1:53 PM

    Parker is an amazing player, and he went 6/20 and had double the turnovers than assists. If the best player on his team played like that and Batum's stats are comparable, he didn't play any worse than his team. Maybe, just maybe, they got outplayed by a better team.  And just so you know how to read a box score, the 3/12 includes his 3's. 
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 2:51 PM

    Posted By FoulWeatherFan on 08/13/2012 1:22 PM
    Posted By BlazerManiac on 08/08/2012 10:15 AM
    Well he disappeared again aganst Spain.  Yes I know he has moments of great defense, but it is not consistent, nor is his offense.



    Player Position min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS PF Pts
    Tony Parker G 37:59 6/20 1/4 2/3 2 6 1 2 0 0 1 15
    Nicolas Batum F 32:20 3/12 1/5 2/2 3 5 1 1 0 1 3 9

    Are we reading the same box score? You are telling me that he disappeared while arguably having a better stat line that Tony Parker. I'm not saying that he had a good game, but where is your argument?

    Foul Weather Fan if you knew how to read stats it would help.  See the column where it states 3 PT.  he went 1 for 5.  In FG we went 3 for 12.  Hence we  went 4 for 17 for a total of 9 points.  Three FG's and 1 3 Pointer.  Quit drinking the Batum Kool-Aid
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  1. BlazerManiac
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    Posted 08/13/2012 2:56 PM

    Posted By Siccolo on 08/13/2012 1:53 PM
    Posted By jwood on 08/13/2012 12:06 PM
    "Then it is time for him to grow a pair and start playing at his potential, not below as he has been doing and playing under the radar like he is notorious for."

    what? he was drafted toward the end of the 1st round.  i'd say he's played well beyond expectations so far based on the player he was thought to be before being drafted.  so far, his career looks about like what you'd expect from a mid lottery pick.  and his money isn't max contract money so i think people are overblowing this a bit.  he was the best SF on the market and i'm glad we retained him.  think of the hole that would be left at SF if we did not resign batum.  it was just something we had to do. i think batum does play with passion and effort usually. it's just he does not have a very animated personality.  kind of like LMA.

    Totally agree with people. I dont think Batum has the capability to be a 20-22 point player. He is a great player. But people shuold lower there expectations for him. For a player drafted at 25 like him and to avg 14 pts 4 reb and play exceptional defense he exceeded expectations. I mean if he can get 15-16 points and 4-5 rebounds i will be happy. I wish he would have more passion and move around more in the offense. 

    Siccolo:

    With all due respect Batum is not even a Great Player.  I would give him above average at best.  He has great talent, but does he use it to is maxium ability - abolsutely no.  I am tired on living on his potential for the last three years.  I am waiting for him to step up (if he ever can) and now play what he thinks he is worth.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 08/13/2012 2:57 PM

    blazermaniac, who would your preference be at SF? realistically that is. what should we have done since you think the batum signing was so bad? and please, babbitt is not a sufficient answer. i am one who believes we just did what we had to do.  it was the best option among many bad ones. i don't think that means me or anybody else is drinking "batum kool aid". 
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