Why Portland will not make the Playoffs this season
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 11:30 AM

    Barring some unforeseen activity the best case roster for Portland looks like this
    PG Damian Lillard, Nolan Smith and CJ Watson (predicted summer signing)
    SG Wesley Matthews, Elliot Williams, Will Barton
    SF Nicolas Batum (Portland will match offer sheet), Luke Babbitt, Victor Claver (Deal is almost signed)
    PF Lamarcus Aldridge, Kurt Thomas, JJ Hickson (will return after Portland strikes out on centers)
    C Meyers Leonard, Joel Freeland, Joel Pryzbilla (will resign for one last swan song) 

    The Watson and Pryzbilla deals could not happen because Portland needs to not dress 3 players.
    Pryzbilla and Thomas two mostly likely options with this team and then whoever is injured or a revolving third player out of Smith,  Barton, Williams, Babbitt and Claver.

    On the surface this team should have a strong bench and it might if we keep Hickson, and Barton or Williams makes an impact. 

    Basically this team will go as far as Lillard can take them if he struggles this team will be back in the lottery. 

    I will break down struggle areas in a later post but want to give people a chance to agree or tell me why I am wrong.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 07/11/2012 11:42 AM

    I agree with cmeese47 except I think we will sign Batum and trade him for Williams or Pekovic or Josh Smith.  Well, it is worth a try. 
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 07/11/2012 11:48 AM

    Worthless thread, man. They won't make the playoffs because they're not a playoff team. They stopped being a playoff team when they lost Brandon, and they're still in recovery mode. Basketball teams don't bounce back that quickly. Look at Cleveland, they're finally getting back on their feet after losing LeBron, and they STILL might not make the playoffs this year.

    Trailblazers now = Cleveland in 2010... maybe in 2011 since we got 2 lottery-picks this year. Anyway, I don't expect them to make the playoffs until 2013-14 at the soonest, but probably later than that. And until then, I don't see a point in discussing WHY they're not making the playoffs. Literally anything about Trailblazers basketball in the last year could be your "reason."
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 12:02 PM

    I think a lot of people have higher expectations than that I certainly think this team needs to make a lot of moves if we are going to rebuild. Something more in line with my Option C thread.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 07/11/2012 12:18 PM

    I've seen worse teams make the playoffs before. I've also seen a horrible 8-seed pull an upset.

    You guys are way to negative. What's the point of posting this kind of thing? Are you trying to give ANY sort of helpful insight for the team, or are you just wallowing in not being on top?

    Cmon, Cmeese... we talked about this last night, I know you've got the abilities in your head to be more constructive in your criticisms. This thread really does seem pointless and just a way to fill up the forum... and again, no offense, but your Option C thread is the same kind of thing.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 12:40 PM

    I will be getting to the point a little later. But the main focus is this team needs a different type of player.

    I want defensive minded aggressive players similar to Wesley Matthews. I respect people who will work harder than anyone else on the court. 

    I love people like Reggie Evans, Gerald Wallace and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 

    You know why Jordan was the best player ever, because he worked harder than everyone on the court and his will to win was stronger than anything else in his life. 

    I am not sure we have any of those players other than maybe Matthews and Lillard so yah I want to see changes.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 07/11/2012 1:07 PM

    If we dont make an offer to McGee, which is now the last option a C, does that mean that we will definitely keep Hickson ? Jose Calderon ? Wouldnt he be a good option to groom Lillard ? And wheres Chris Johnson and Pendergraph these days ?
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/11/2012 1:21 PM

    Reggie Miller is one of my role models for so many reasons.  I still remember when he hit the tre against NY, got a steal and hit another Tre.  In less than 10 seconds, I think he scored 8 points.  I can't remember the outcome, but that moment was just vintage Reggie.  There wasn't anyone like him ever in the NBA.  some compared kerry kittles to him, but nobody ever has or does move without the ball like reggie.  And the way he could stop and pop was just incredible.  Portland does not have that.  Nobody on our team moves anywhere close without the ball like Reggie.

    And if you like defensive oriented players, then you should have plugged more for Drummond because he brings a lot of what Ben Wallace brought.  Yeah, I love MKG too.  

    I do agree with others that this is a counter-productive conversation, but let me put a spin on it.  

    Maybe we're not a playoff team as the roster sits right now, but as I've said in a couple posts, Portland needs a coach that can take advantage of the multitude of skill-sets the blazers possess.  

    We have youth, speed, strength, passing machines, rebounders, scorers, but how it's all brought together will be vital.

    Listen, if Lillard is just going to drive the lane, score, draw fouls, and if he becomes our superstar, then guys like batum and matthews stand around watching him.  They'll be forgotten and left wide open more often than not... their ppg will drop.  My vision is to involve everyone, a lot of motion, passing, take advantage of the skillsets... 

    I know it won't happen, but a coaching staff with Rod Strickland and Reggie Miller assisting would be so amazing... just getting strickland's insight about calipari's motion offense and coupling that with Miller's ability to move without the ball.  Damn, I want him in faces at practice, telling them to MOVE.  

    Is it possible to make the playoffs?  YES.  But a lot has to come together.  How are the foreigners going to gel?  If they don't get PT, are they going to cry like Rudy?  Will they impact the development of Barton?  How is a coach going to get the most out of these guys without letting talent rot on the bench?  

    It's going to be hard... ego's are going to get stepped on and I fear guys like Barton or Elliot getting forgotten on the bench.  But it's hard to give every guy enough minutes to keep them all happy.

    Craig Smith, is he in or out?  I think he's a free agent, but he's a solid player who this year i doubt will do anything unless Portland doesn't keep hickson.  Craig will want out.

    anyway.  As the team sits right now, I'd say they're too young and not nearly deep enough on the bench to be competitive enough to come close to making the playoffs, but free agency isn't done, hell, summer league has not even begun, so maybe let's revisit this subjective topic after the roster is finalized.

    I'm watching NBA network and I really don't know why Coach K doesn't coach the NBA.  He's coaching the USA team and has before; he's coaching the best players in the NBA, yet he don't coach in the NBA.  Maybe he's smart and don't wanna be part of the revolving door of head coaches, but I just feel his knowledge could be so valuable in the nba.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 2:22 PM

    Coach K is happy being the highest paid college coach rather than dealing with a bunch of over privileged millionaires is my guess. 

    I have been watching Drummond this summer and he is playing solid defense without fouling but that is against rookie league talent if he can continue this against better competition then maybe we screwed up but we need to see how Leonard does before we compare the two of them.
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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 07/11/2012 2:42 PM

    To be honest I believe we could make the playoffs. But making the playoffs is a stupid thing if you cannot win when you get there. First it puts you out of the draft lottery, second it puts you out of the draft lottery. the draft lottery is the best way to improve your team without going over the luxury tax. I would rather trade Matthews and Aldridge to Charlotte, Cleveland or another cellar dweller, then not match with Batum, so we have max cap space and get top picks in 2013 and 2014. I don't want us to be middle of the road. I would rather be last which would give us the chance to become first sooner rather then later.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 2:45 PM

    Sounds like you would love my plan c thread
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 07/11/2012 4:03 PM

    I think we wont make the playoffs, we need better players, LA is barely an all star, rookies wont do it and everyone else we have aren't all star caliber players. We are going to be barely 500. with our current roster.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 4:13 PM

    LA is better than barely an all-star but the rest of the roster right now is not up to snuff
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/11/2012 4:16 PM

    Posted By mbmurr1 on 07/11/2012 2:42 PM
    To be honest I believe we could make the playoffs. But making the playoffs is a stupid thing if you cannot win when you get there. First it puts you out of the draft lottery, second it puts you out of the draft lottery. the draft lottery is the best way to improve your team without going over the luxury tax. I would rather trade Matthews and Aldridge to Charlotte, Cleveland or another cellar dweller, then not match with Batum, so we have max cap space and get top picks in 2013 and 2014. I don't want us to be middle of the road. I would rather be last which would give us the chance to become first sooner rather then later.

    crap, i was typing a reply and my screen clicked back somehow and I lost all I'd typed.  well, it wasn't that much, but basically, I'm laughing because you want to gut the nucleus of the blazers and go into the future with complete uncertainty.  I mean, if you're sure of our rookies, then you have to compare our model to someone like oklahoma city.   our trio of rookies is not really comparable to westbrook, durant, and harden.  And if you wanted to sell the farm (so to speak) for a guy with a solid future, LA should have been swapped, maybe along with the 11th pick for Anthony Davis.  

    Other problem you run into is if you're fortunate enough to draft stars like durant, westbrook, and harden, you have to be able to afford to pay them league maximums and bring in sufficient talent around them to run the table... and that's given that your nucleus of youth pans out as you hope.  So you're willing to say Lillard, Meyers, and Barton are the future for Portland and if we added a couple more lottery picks in the coming subsequent years, that'll be Portland's championship team?   

    I dunno man.  I like building around a proven, reliable scorer like Aldridge.  He's the safety valve if the rookies have a hard time adapting.  Still, I wouldn't have been opposed to Davis this year if POrtland had the balls to go for it.  it's just hard to give up on a sure thing and a franchise player like Aldridge, but Davis bring smore to the table, including more years... 

    Last point, I do think you're wrong about making the playoffs.  I have no expectation of making the playoffs as the roster is now, but if they do, I think it gives the fans hope, and it gives the players a ton of confidence.  I mean, just look at Indiana as a model.  Hibbert's in his 3rd year, they got to the 2nd round and took the NBA champs to 6 games.  If Lillard, Meyers, and Barton can do that in 3 years time, I think fans will be optimistic that a championship could be in the near future.

    but I don't see that happening, and I don't see how gutting the only veterans fans know is going to reap any rewards any time soon.

    And Olshey already said, he didn't come here to essentially rebuild for the future... him and Paul Allen don't want to lose... allen does not want to experience what happened last year.  That's a big reason why they're going to match batum, why theyr'e building around LA, and why they've kept Matthews so far... that's our nucleus... 

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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 07/11/2012 4:24 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 07/11/2012 4:13 PM
    LA is better than barely an all-star but the rest of the roster right now is not up to snuff

    lol, what is better than barely an all star?   who is barely an all star and what barely all-star is aldridge better than?

    You know, I love Aldridge's development.  He reminds me of David Robinson or Tim Duncan... 2 of the best.  It's hard to find a big man with a sweet shooting touch and Aldridge is so automatic from so many spots on the court.  50% from the floor, mostly jump shots, 80% from the line.  I think his touch is a thing of beauty... something drummond has wet dreams about.  You just can't teach that kind of soft touch.  Ask shaq, man, he spent a career trying to be Hakeem Olajuwan.  

    I do wish for more out of him, but that's what Oden was supposed to be. Hopefully Meyers brings that toughness and shot blocking that we need... and I do really think Hickson needs to be kept.  The bring what Aldridge doesn't have.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 5:11 PM

    I am assuming barely an all-star is someone who did not deserve to be on the team. I do not think that is the case with LA. He was certainly better than Dirk (at least at the break) who was barely an all-star last year. Someone like Hibbert would also qualify as barely an all star because he was a borderline selection.

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  1. Ian Hutchins
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    Posted 07/11/2012 8:58 PM

    Dont agree we will sign and trade batum and we will sign some type of center. we will make the playoffs


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  1. Ian Hutchins
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    Posted 07/11/2012 9:00 PM

    heres the thing do we have a lebron james? no! we will bounce back and make the playoffs. I guess you aren't a blazer fan
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/11/2012 9:07 PM

    If did not realize we were trading conferences cause this is not a western conference all-star team next year might be a different story
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  1. CameraOn
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    Posted 07/14/2012 7:15 PM

    Posted By D_pickett on 07/11/2012 11:48 AM
    Worthless thread, man. They won't make the playoffs because they're not a playoff team. They stopped being a playoff team when they lost Brandon, and they're still in recovery mode. Basketball teams don't bounce back that quickly. Look at Cleveland, they're finally getting back on their feet after losing LeBron, and they STILL might not make the playoffs this year.

    Trailblazers now = Cleveland in 2010... maybe in 2011 since we got 2 lottery-picks this year. Anyway, I don't expect them to make the playoffs until 2013-14 at the soonest, but probably later than that. And until then, I don't see a point in discussing WHY they're not making the playoffs. Literally anything about Trailblazers basketball in the last year could be your "reason."

    Your comparison with Cleveland is completely off man. Sure Roy is gone, Oden didn't pan out, but we still have an all star - and he is getting better each season. Cleveland didn't have an All Star in 2010, nor in 2011, so you cannot compare Portland with Cleveland. We are far more likely to make the playoffs next season, than Cleveland were this season.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/15/2012 7:23 PM

    The Knicks trade did not make us any better this year and we missed on Watson so it looks like most of our roster is set. I am not sure we are a playoff team but the west is a bit more open so who knows.
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  1. billyamick47
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    Posted 07/17/2012 1:31 PM

    Batum is going to go for 25 every night and we will dominate that is why we decided to keep Batum. Or at least it better be otherwise our playoffs chances are as finished as this post
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 07/17/2012 2:24 PM

    It does seem to rest on Batum's shoulders 
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