Damion Lillard is what we need
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  1. log1011
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    Posted 06/17/2012 12:38 PM

    From what I've seen of Damion Lillard from the interview is awesome! He would be exactly what we need, the only problem is experience. If he was NBA experienced he would be a present wrapped up with a bow on top, he said he would fit in perfectly with LA and he's a great shooter. He does remind me of Russel Westbrook, explosive with pick and pops and a good mid range shooter. It just depends what the story is with Felton. Lillard's game looks great and it looks like he might land in the sixth spot!
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  1. FoulWeatherFan
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    Posted 06/17/2012 1:09 PM

    I really like him, but I would hate to draft him at 6 if he might fall to 11. Maybe if he get snatched up before 11 we toss in a 2nd rounder and cash to get him.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/17/2012 3:01 PM

    quote me on this. he will not fall to 11, you gotta take him with the 6 unless there's someone who is clearly better, which there isn't. he fits perfectly with the team and would be a great chemistry guy. i would be upset if the blazers didnt take this guy
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/17/2012 3:08 PM

    definitely won't drop to 11. i think in a few years, he will be seen as a steal at 6.  i would not be shocked if he averaged close to 20 ppg his rookie year.  and he plays hard tough D and seems to want to win real bad.  i think, coming from weber st, portland would be a perfect fit and he wants to be here. that's one of things i really like about him, his enthusiasm to be a blazer. 
    i do think, though, that we should consider using our 11th pick and trading up for the 5th or 7th pick.  there will still be a top tier guy (beal, barnes, or drummond) left over with lillard's ascension in the draft.  it would be great to grab two future allstars in this draft.  then we will be really serious about contending with OKC, not just making the playoffs.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/17/2012 3:31 PM

    Posted By jwood on 06/17/2012 3:08 PM
    definitely won't drop to 11. i think in a few years, he will be seen as a steal at 6.  i would not be shocked if he averaged close to 20 ppg his rookie year.  and he plays hard tough D and seems to want to win real bad.  i think, coming from weber st, portland would be a perfect fit and he wants to be here. that's one of things i really like about him, his enthusiasm to be a blazer. 
    i do think, though, that we should consider using our 11th pick and trading up for the 5th or 7th pick.  there will still be a top tier guy (beal, barnes, or drummond) left over with lillard's ascension in the draft.  it would be great to grab two future allstars in this draft.  then we will be really serious about contending with OKC, not just making the playoffs.

    2 picks in a row would definitely be intriguing but who would we have to give up? im not a big wesley matthews guy but i understand he has a great work ethic and i believe he will continue to improve. i dont understand why so many people are talking about trading him i think he'll have a bigger impact come next season. go blazers!
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  1. log1011
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    Posted 06/18/2012 1:15 AM

    I think Lillard would be a steal at 6, definitely a future all-star to go along great with Lamarcus. If we could  get Lillard at 6 and Drummond at 11 (we probably wouldn't at 11). We would totally have it made! Even if we couldn't get Lillard at 6, I would totally make some trades and cash deals. Drummond would be great as well, maybe not so much on the offensive side, but he can run the floor, rebound and block shots. Sorry to say, I think Przybilla has to go, maybe a trade with him for Drummond? Then you have issues with a starting center, the Blazers have to fix that problem in someway else besides the draft. I think jwood put it quite well.
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  1. DoubleDz
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    Posted 06/18/2012 2:13 AM

    Posted By jwood on 06/17/2012 3:08 PM
    definitely won't drop to 11. i think in a few years, he will be seen as a steal at 6.  i would not be shocked if he averaged close to 20 ppg his rookie year.  and he plays hard tough D and seems to want to win real bad.  i think, coming from weber st, portland would be a perfect fit and he wants to be here. that's one of things i really like about him, his enthusiasm to be a blazer. 
    i do think, though, that we should consider using our 11th pick and trading up for the 5th or 7th pick.  there will still be a top tier guy (beal, barnes, or drummond) left over with lillard's ascension in the draft.  it would be great to grab two future allstars in this draft.  then we will be really serious about contending with OKC, not just making the playoffs.

    Agree 100%! Maybe J.Crawford, E.Williams, and the 11th pick to SacTown's 5th or Golden State's 7th pick would be perfect! I would even go with adding a 2nd rd pick and some cash. Picking up D.Lillard is a must, most definitely pick him up with the 6th pick!   
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 06/18/2012 8:22 AM

    after watching the combine and his workout videos/interviews i'm sold on lillard. i'd like to keep E will to go along side him though, it would be nice to get a big that can pass if that were the case, 2 explosive players in the back court with lamarcus down low and a big guy that could facilitate would be amazing, too bad camby isn't here. caleb is good at developing rookies with work ethic, i hope they move him back to assistant so he can concentrate on player development and pick up a new coach. sloan would be pretty nice, if we somehow get phil jackson i'll actually have high hopes for this team next season.
  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/18/2012 12:05 PM

    I would like to have two of the draft choices in #5 thru #7.  This would mean we would choose between Lilliard, Beal, Drummond and Waiters.  Who do we want because one of our need positions will not get filled.  OK everyone take a shot at this.
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  1. log1011
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    Posted 06/18/2012 12:40 PM

    I would not trade two players with talent and our pick just for one pick in the draft. Jamal Crawford still has a lot of value and Elliot is an up and coming star in my opinion. He was on fire right before he got injured, I agree I'd like to see ewill alongside Lillard!
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/18/2012 12:48 PM

    I think we should be looking at trading with Toronto and not Golden State.
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  1. jwalk5255
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    Posted 06/18/2012 3:26 PM

    we definitly need to keep e-will and matthews, matthews could easily be 6th man of the year, he was actually better then harden a lot of the time last year when he was coming off the bench, have williams start along with lillard keep batum at SF and then have LA and whatever center we can get that is an effective rebounder and then all we gotta do is have our bench filled out with jj at back up pf matthews at back up sg johnny flynn or a vet as back up pg BABBIT as back up sf and rookie back up center! we would be set! 
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  1. EthanMoney
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    Posted 06/19/2012 7:26 PM

    Yes, Yes, Yes! Lillard is exactly what we need. The man is the size of Rose and has the same style. (Not trying to over hype him and say he IS Rose...Just sayin). On top of that he won't make it to 11. Simple as that. We have been in need of a big key PG and a solid field shooter for awhile now. People just plug the paint and shut us down. Whats the downfall? We don't get Drummond (potential liability and not completely proven center). I would rather snag Lillard at #6 and Zeller at #11 (whos put up way bigger numbers then Drummond).
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/19/2012 7:34 PM

    Draft

    #6 Lillard

    #11 Leonard

    #40 Henry Sims

    #41 Kyle O'Quin



    Fills our biggest needs and the three centers have great work ethic to compete and try to stay on the roster long-term.

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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 06/19/2012 9:05 PM

    Lillard had a good combine because he did the drills most of the other players didn't. we say he had a good workout, but then again, we say everyone had a good workout. he played at a small college against substandard competition. there is absolutely nothing in this world -- other than a few people's opinions -- to say he's going to be a great nba player. sorry guys. pass at #6.

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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 06/19/2012 10:43 PM

    J Crawford opted out of his contract. Can't use him in a trade.
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  1. benh7777
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    Posted 06/19/2012 10:49 PM

    nevermind, that was 4 days ago, now I guess the deadline was moved to the 29th.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/19/2012 11:04 PM

    Kassandra, Manu was picked 57th.
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    Posted 06/19/2012 11:04 PM

    Kassandra, Manu was picked 57th.
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 06/20/2012 6:55 AM

    @Commontongue: comparing Ginobli to Lillard? don't know where that came from, but seriously? that's a leap i would never make. then again, please, let the Lillard lovefest continue. lol ~ KMM
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/20/2012 8:06 AM

    What i meant Kassandra was Manu wasted away until the third to the last pick. We never know what gem we could be overlooking is my point. I think Lillards got more upside then Nolan.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 8:42 AM

    Kassandra likes to continue the Lillard hate as well. Yes, Lillard played for a small school against so called lesser competition he also scored over 24 points a game on 15 shots while constantly facing double and triple teams. I would say that 2 or 3 Big Sky defenders are equal to at least one ACC defender. Pretty much every player in this draft is a risk but I would much rather take a risk on a dynamic PG who played against inferior competition and than a 6'10" center who shot 29% from the free throw line, 32% in post up situations, and lackadaisical play. 
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  1. Geobronc
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    Posted 06/20/2012 10:26 AM

    I agree, get Lillard at #6. He has some much potential and is NBA ready. 
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  1. Geobronc
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    Posted 06/20/2012 10:28 AM

    Example: Terry Porter...was one of best PG's in his time. He played for small college league also. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 10:31 AM

    There certainly is a risk in drafting Lillard he could be the next Bayless, or Telfair or he could turn into the next Steve Francis or Russel Westbrook.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/20/2012 10:40 AM

    this is just an old tired recycled argument that lillard can't play because he comes from weber st.  try watching him play. explosivness, pure shooting, defensive effort, will to win are all features of his game whether he plays at weber st or duke. and if you really must judge him on his competition, think of it this way.  weber st's opponents focused solely on stopping him. he didn't really have much support to draw the defense's attention elsewhere. almost like he was playing 1 on 5.  i think it would be a mistake to not draft him because he played at weber st.  that would be a really dumb reason to overlook his actual talent. 
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 06/20/2012 2:01 PM

    @Cory: seriously? i "hate" Lillard? when did i ever say i hated him. in truth, i hate no one, except those who tell blatant lies about me. if you want to criticize my opinion on Lillard, go right ahead, but at least have the courtesy and maturity to stick to the truth.

    @jwood: as opposed to the extremely tired argument that he'll be great because you (figurative) say he'll be great. however, that's not my only reason for questioning the pick; read below.

    guys: it amazes me that three weeks ago, most of the guys promoting Lillard had never really heard about him. i've also said numerous times that Lillard go to a small school against weak competition is NOT the sole reason to avoid drafting him. you have to take more into account than that. did he do well at the combine? yes, but then again, he was the only one (or one of few, if you must), who worked all the drills. of course you're going to look better than rest when no one else is doing that. yet, that's just one other consideration. we hear he had a good workout with the blazers. then again, we hear every potential draftee has had a good workout with the blazers. here's the thing, and the ultimate reason i would not draft Lillard at #6: we are said to be drafting the "best player available" and he is simply NOT the sixth best player available in this draft. he might be #8. now, i've never been a huge proponent of "best player available -- it should be usedas a tool rather than the end-all, be-all of draft strategies; and i feel it's too subjective (as we may be seeing here on this thread and in some of the blogs) -- but if you take the eighth or ninth best guy at #6, you are not taking the best player available. there's just really no question about that.

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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:03 PM

    what does "best" mean? is drummond "better" than lillard? is lamb "better" than lillard? how does ceiling and potential figure in to "best"? not sure where you are getting that lillard is not the 6th "best" player. i'd say he's easily top 5 "best" in terms of offensive skills, shooting touch, defensive ability, athleticism, instinct, IQ and above all the will to win and play hard. 
    have you seen him play?
    you have presented two reasons not to draft him besides, he's not top 6 "best" which i'm confused how you think he may be top 8 best but not top 6. you're really splitting hairs there. the other two reasons, unless i'm not understanding is, one, because he is from a weak conference. and 2, still don't understand this, he did well in the combine and workouts just like everybody else so we shouldn't take that too seriously. it's like you're penalizing him for participation. 

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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:08 PM

    Posted By log1011 on 06/18/2012 12:40 PM
    I would not trade two players with talent and our pick just for one pick in the draft. Jamal Crawford still has a lot of value and Elliot is an up and coming star in my opinion. He was on fire right before he got injured, I agree I'd like to see ewill alongside Lillard!

    I haven't read this whole thread, just going through it now, but Crawford's got a player option.  I'm not a contract guru, but I believe that means if Crawford wants to test the free agent waters, he can, and I think it also means if Portland's to keep him, they need to sign him to at least a 1 year deal that pays more than what he made last year?  someone correct me if I'm wrong or feel free to chime in with details.  

    anyway, last I'd heard, and maybe this wasn't from Crawford's mouth, but I didn't think he was coming back to Portland next year.

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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:13 PM

    If we're going to draft Lillard, people better at least start spelling his name right.  This thread is named DamiOn.  It's DamiAn.

    Sorry to be anal, but that's sort of disrespectful in my book.
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:26 PM

    @jwood: so you think Lillard is one of the top five players in the draft? in all the draft talk on all the draft boards, you're the first person i've seen say that he's in the top five. the very first, and we're talking about reports from a lot of scouts and those in the know. universally speaking the consensus top five is Davis, Robinson, MKG, Beal and Barnes. i have never advocated that we dismiss taking any player for any one or two reasons; i merely have questions which no one here has answered to my satisfaction in favor of taking Lillard at #6.

    i understand you're pining for us to draft Lillard, but i'd actually like to hear, specifically why you and you alone think he's top five.

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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:27 PM

    Both sides of this argument are attacking each other as much for their VOCABULARY as the actual context of the argument.

    Everyone: Accept immediately that neither Damian Lillard nor Andre Drummond is going to enter the NBA as the polished, alert, ready piece that we would need them to be for our team. Either one will take work and will need to evolve their game before they can really be evaluated as a good or a bad pick. So while you are entitled to your opinions on where the draftees currently stand, it is downright silly for anyone to think that they've deciphered all the information out there, and have a reliable answer as to which one will be stand-alone better for Portland.

    So if you can't give a reliable answer, why is this entire discussion about something that can't be proven or even supported unanimously? If you want to draft Drummond, then explain what else we do to fill in our other gaps. If you want to draft Lillard, then who will be available for us on the other end and how do we get them? Seems like that would be a much more interesting discussion than accusing fellow Blazer fans of hating players and not knowing what they're talking about...
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:29 PM

    Just sayin, no single draft pick no matter how good is going to turn this team around single-handedly. It's going to be about that draft pick, plus other picks, plus trades or signings, plus a coach, plus a summer.

    Let's look more at the big picture, eh?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:31 PM

    Maybe hate was not the most accurate term but when you go against the grain the veracity that you have against Lillard. He might not be the 6th best player in the draft but he was the second most efficient player in college basketball last season. Considering his usage rate Lillard's PER was especially impressive. Does that mean anything not necessarily but he certainly should be considered at 6 even if he is the 8th, 9th, or 10th best player based on need that should be enough.
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  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:33 PM

    So if you want Lillard, Cmeese, what else do we do? What big do we get and how? What coach? What do we get around Lillard since he won't win it for us on his own like he did at Weber? :P
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 3:49 PM

    There are a few options available my personal preference would be to take Omar Asik and pair him with Joel Freeland. Those two would give us a dynamic defender and rebounder in Asik and a solid offensive option in Freeland. It would also permit us to take someone like Waiter, Jones, Ross or someone like that with the #11 pick and give us more depth.
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  1. Kassandra
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    Posted 06/20/2012 4:03 PM

    @Cory: i'm not even going against much of a grain. in reality, and based on other comments from other fans, the pro-taking-Lillard camp is in the minority (except perhaps on this thread). all i've really done is bring up some points which i feel are question enough not to take him as high as #6. if you look at all my comments, you'd see that. based on need, maybe we'll take him. then again, this team has vowed time and time again it will take the "best player available." if we keep the sixth pick, then we will take the sixth best player available (according to that strategy). again, to me, that's not Lillard. my "veracity" as you call it, is actually nowhere close to yours in your support of taking him. you had once claimed to understand that, but it appears you do not.

    @247: i have an overall plan, but i'd rather present it in my own blog rather than try to repeat the whole darn thing here and in other blog comments. planning on doing so this weekend.

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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/20/2012 4:21 PM

    the point was, choosing the "best" player is completely subjective. if your talking about ppg, (which i wasn't), lillard would be #2 in the draft behind whoever #1 was. 
    anyway, i clearly pointed out the skills lillard possesses. if you don't think those physical and mental skills put him in the top 5, that is fine.  whether hollinger or any other expert agrees with my assessment or not is irrelevant.
    let's put it this way. i believe that in 5 years, lillard will be one of the top 5 players from this class. he will make allstar games, whereas MKG and T-Rob probably won't in my opinion.
    i'll be happy if we get barnes or beal too.  i just think it would be a mistake to underestimate lillard because he came from weber st., he worked out at the combine, and hollinger doesn't like him.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 4:48 PM

    Posted By jwood on 06/20/2012 10:40 AM
    this is just an old tired recycled argument that lillard can't play because he comes from weber st.  try watching him play. explosivness, pure shooting, defensive effort, will to win are all features of his game whether he plays at weber st or duke. and if you really must judge him on his competition, think of it this way.  weber st's opponents focused solely on stopping him. he didn't really have much support to draw the defense's attention elsewhere. almost like he was playing 1 on 5.  i think it would be a mistake to not draft him because he played at weber st.  that would be a really dumb reason to overlook his actual talent. 

    I think Weber State actually led the nation in free throw shooting last year as a team and Lillard is pretty automatic from the stripe.  His ability to score and create, combined with his ability to finish and knock down free throws make him a very valuable guy in the NBA, there's no denying that.  At 6-3, he's also going to be taller than many point guards, so defensively he might be alright.

    He improved his percentages his senior season, and it made him pretty outstanding on the offensive end.  

    One real beauty to Lillard is he goes to his left a lot, but he's right handed.  I dunno, I pay attention to "little" things like that because to me it really defines players.  You hear a lot in the NBA about whether a guy is strong to the right or left, strong backing down or facing the basket.  Anyway, Lillard is great with both hands, so ball handling and driving are not a problem for him at all.

    Offensively Lillard has all the tools to be great.  He's improved a lot as a shooter, he can stop and pop, or blow right by... his range is almost cocky at times.  As you say, he dominated the competition even though at times it was like 1 on 5 out there.  A lot of times the competition gawked like he was Jordan... flat footed defenders.  

    The drawbacks for Lillard are of course he's a shoot-first point guard.  He did get some assists at Weber, but his percentage of assists to shots was more like a shooting guard with passing skills than a point guard.  He has nowhere near the court vision of Kendall Marshall and I say that with the utmost of confidence, if you tell me otherwise, I tell you for certain you have not seen both these guys play.

    Defensively Lillard's not great.  You say he has "defensive effort" and you don't really elaborate on that.  Well, sometimes he'll follow the ball around the court, he's not great switching and rotating.  

    If you all speak from experience about Lillard, then you know of his faults.  He falls off defenders, he's been burned, and scored on plenty.  He's not a great defender.  Many times he was so focused on creating for himself, he did not see open players, and other times he made poor decisions and crappy passes because that is simply not his fortay.  

    This guy was not a perfect player at Weber State, but some of you are making him out to be the 2nd coming of Christ or something.  Hey, he's a great character guy, great work ethic, I have no doubt he'll improve himself and become even better than he is, but this guy is not without his faults.  He has work to do and especially if he's going to be running the point for the Blazers.  

    But the biggest problem I have with him is twofold.  As Kassandra says, he has to prove himself because of the level of competition he faced.  I agree with that, but my reasoning is that he hasn't even come close to having to deal with the physicality he's going to face in the NBA, and defensively I think he's a liability.  He's going to get manhandled and humbled a lot in the NBA.  

    Look this guy doesn't have an Allen Iverson crossover, he doesn't have the vision of Steve Nash, nor the play-making of Jason Kidd.  Making him out to be exactly what Portland needs is not fair because while I agree Portland could use a good shooter, they also need a guy who can run the offense and we haven't seen Flynn, Crawford, Felton or Nolan show a consistent ability to do so.  What Aldridge needs is a guy more in the mold of Marshall.

    But I think you want a potential superstar.  Offensively maybe that's what Lillard will be, but he just has a lot to prove and a lot of improving to do.

    Bottom line is....

    It really comes down to what the fans and, well ultimately what Portland wants in a POINT guard.  
    There's no superman at Point Guard in this year's draft.  They all have their own flaws to some regard.
    What style of play are we going to see out of Portland this coming year?
    What does the new GM and Allen want, a passer or shooter.  Lillard and Marshall are both exciting in their own right.  But Machado is also less money and steady.

    What I think is if it comes down to Lillard or Drummond at 6, Portland's taking Drummond.  Maybe that's unfortunate, maybe not.  The ceiling is high.

    If Portland does take Lillard, then i really hope Henson or Jones are on the radar at 11.  i'm a broken record.

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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 4:57 PM

    Posted By Blazer247 on 06/20/2012 3:27 PM
    Both sides of this argument are attacking each other as much for their VOCABULARY as the actual context of the argument.

    Everyone: Accept immediately that neither Damian Lillard nor Andre Drummond is going to enter the NBA as the polished, alert, ready piece that we would need them to be for our team. Either one will take work and will need to evolve their game before they can really be evaluated as a good or a bad pick. So while you are entitled to your opinions on where the draftees currently stand, it is downright silly for anyone to think that they've deciphered all the information out there, and have a reliable answer as to which one will be stand-alone better for Portland.

    So if you can't give a reliable answer, why is this entire discussion about something that can't be proven or even supported unanimously? If you want to draft Drummond, then explain what else we do to fill in our other gaps. If you want to draft Lillard, then who will be available for us on the other end and how do we get them? Seems like that would be a much more interesting discussion than accusing fellow Blazer fans of hating players and not knowing what they're talking about...

    Then start a new thread; this one is named "Damion Lillard is what we need" and that's what we're discussing
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 5:01 PM

    I think you might be under estimating MKG and T-Rob but being an all-star is subjective remember Mo Williams was an all star.  Portland needs aggression, rebounding, leadership, efficiency, scoring and most of all defense. We need to draft who ever can give us those attributes. Whether it is D. Lillard or someone else.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/20/2012 6:18 PM

    so if 6 is too high to draft lillard, is 8? the guy is widely believed to be top 10. you can argue he didnt face the strongest competition but he was consistent. you can argue that he has shown lackluster defense but he is also believed to have the athletic ability to improve. defensive rotation varies by team, especially in college ball. lillard has proven he can be a scoring threat. i doubt anyone is saying he is a franchise player but i believe his game could compliment aldridge very well. he is only a piece of a puzzle and no one player will turn this franchise around. drafting lillard at 6 would be drafting for need without sacrificing talent. he just seems like the right player at the right time. lillard isnt a huge risk like drummond at 6, who put up crappy numbers yet somehow has a seemingly infinite ceiling according to some. i just think lillard is a more complete player and who knows what will happen on draft night, maybe someone will slip and this whole thread wont matter in the long run.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 7:00 PM

    Boomtown your analysis is very keen but there are also some issues with it, the first being on defense watching numerous clips and games of his I noticed his effort declined but I believe that was he was facing double and triple teams on offense each time down the court, which I am sure can be exhausting. While you mentioned Kendall Marshall and Machado I think it is important to note that Lillard is a better defender than either Marshall or Machado at this point and is athletic enough to improve at the next level. 

    I also believe you are correct that skilled big are harder to acquire than PG's. I will admit that Drummond has a very high ceiling but his lack of defensive rebounding, free throw shooting, and post scoring was very problematic. Those are huge red flags to me. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 7:00 PM

    Boomtown your analysis is very keen but there are also some issues with it, the first being on defense watching numerous clips and games of his I noticed his effort declined but I believe that was he was facing double and triple teams on offense each time down the court, which I am sure can be exhausting. While you mentioned Kendall Marshall and Machado I think it is important to note that Lillard is a better defender than either Marshall or Machado at this point and is athletic enough to improve at the next level. 

    I also believe you are correct that skilled big are harder to acquire than PG's. I will admit that Drummond has a very high ceiling but his lack of defensive rebounding, free throw shooting, and post scoring was very problematic. Those are huge red flags to me. 
    I am a fan of Getting Defensive Players This Summer.
  1. Blazer247
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    Posted 06/21/2012 12:17 AM

    @Boomtown, I had started a thread on exactly that, before I'd looked at this one. Funny thing, how multiple posts are talking about the same priority issue concerning the Blazers, from slightly different perspectives!

    It's frustrating that you copy my whole post but respond to a fraction of it... like I said above in the first sentence that you copied, as well as my next post, I have no problem with discussing Lillard, I want to discuss him too and what he could possibly do for the Blazers... but there are much better ways to do that than what was happening above my comment. Simplified posts like "We need Lillard he's the next superstar" vs "Lillard's games in college weren't tough enough" really don't get to the meat of it, and Blazer fans are supposed to have a reputation for more intelligent debate. The name of the thread doesn't stop us from having stronger, more analytical posts, does it?

    It'd also be nice of you to note that after my posts, every single comment til now (except yours where you told me to talk about Lillard vs Drummond somewhere else?) has had considerably more substance to it, and a bit less extreme of angles on the viewpoints expressed. In fact I really liked your first one, weighing his pros and cons. Much more helpful than the next! Everyone managed to get more in depth with their responses, and the conversation improved. Whaddya know.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/21/2012 8:54 AM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 06/20/2012 7:00 PM
    Boomtown your analysis is very keen but there are also some issues with it, the first being on defense watching numerous clips and games of his I noticed his effort declined but I believe that was he was facing double and triple teams on offense each time down the court, which I am sure can be exhausting. While you mentioned Kendall Marshall and Machado I think it is important to note that Lillard is a better defender than either Marshall or Machado at this point and is athletic enough to improve at the next level. 

    I also believe you are correct that skilled big are harder to acquire than PG's. I will admit that Drummond has a very high ceiling but his lack of defensive rebounding, free throw shooting, and post scoring was very problematic. Those are huge red flags to me. 

    right right right right right.  not going to disagree.  Just want to say that I'm not a proponent of Drummond, I just have a feeling that's what Portland's going to do.  But I am just curious, have the Blazers themselves talked about Lillard to start any kind of buzz?  I mean, there has been a lot of talk of Lillard at 6 and I just want to know if that talk began here, in the Oregonian, did the new GM hint about his interest in him, or what?  Because I've been under the impression all along that Drummond was Portland's pick because Barnes wouldn't slide, but sounds like Portland was impressed with Lillard's workout, and honestly, I'm more excited about Lillard than Drummond.  I've been saying all along I want barnes because I am uncertain Batum will be matched, and I think Portland would be better off developing and beefing up Henson or Meyers (with the 11th pick), then Machado late... those are the 3 guys I want to target.  

    But if Lillard goes 6, well, it only means we take someone besides Machado at 40, like maybe O'Quinn, and maybe we get lucky and land Vandy's Jenkins or who knows.  

    anyway, i hope you didn't read into my post that I'm lobbying for Drummond because I'm not.  And I'm not against Lillard, I just know from past experiences that many fans do not follow ncaa ball that closely and many who talk about players like they're experts have really only seen videos or go by what others say; and it's wrong for people to influence others when they truly don't speak from personal experience.  I hated that the city of Portland was so enamored with Oden.  That's another story, but point is, people keep talking about team need and saying drummond's the answer.  I wonder what answer they're looking for...

    ok.  i'll shuttup
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/21/2012 8:57 AM

    Posted By Blazer247 on 06/21/2012 12:17 AM
    @Boomtown, I had started a thread on exactly that, before I'd looked at this one. Funny thing, how multiple posts are talking about the same priority issue concerning the Blazers, from slightly different perspectives!

    It's frustrating that you copy my whole post but respond to a fraction of it... like I said above in the first sentence that you copied, as well as my next post, I have no problem with discussing Lillard, I want to discuss him too and what he could possibly do for the Blazers... but there are much better ways to do that than what was happening above my comment. Simplified posts like "We need Lillard he's the next superstar" vs "Lillard's games in college weren't tough enough" really don't get to the meat of it, and Blazer fans are supposed to have a reputation for more intelligent debate. The name of the thread doesn't stop us from having stronger, more analytical posts, does it?

    It'd also be nice of you to note that after my posts, every single comment til now (except yours where you told me to talk about Lillard vs Drummond somewhere else?) has had considerably more substance to it, and a bit less extreme of angles on the viewpoints expressed. In fact I really liked your first one, weighing his pros and cons. Much more helpful than the next! Everyone managed to get more in depth with their responses, and the conversation improved. Whaddya know.

    lol .  k, sorry, well, it seemed like you spent a couple paragraphs ranting, and I normally type books, so I figured I'd make it short and sweet.  right, i've seen some of your other posts; insightful, nothing personal, i just made a comment, said how I felt.  i'm just an honest guy, no hooks, sinkers, curve balls... straight from the hip.  my apologies.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/21/2012 10:12 AM

    The question I have is what does Portland need to do to get to 5 and 8. I believe those are the two spots we need to aim for in this draft. 5 is important because it guarantees either Beal, Barnes, MKG, or T-Rob. 8 allows us to take Lillard a little closer to being best available. 
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