1 trade to address PG and Center
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/10/2012 8:08 PM

    The basics: Trade #6 and #11 to the Detroit Pistons for #9 and Greg Monroe.

    We need a center with size, athleticism, and youth/in their prime. It is hard to find that anywhere but I was very interested when I came to a team we often forget about, the Pistons. Check out Monroe:

    2011-2012

    PPG: 15.4  
    RPG: 9.70
    APG: 2.3
    EFF: + 20.11  

    Pros:

    15 Points and almost 10 rebounds for a guy whos been in the league two years. Went to Georgetown, a school where players come out with a high IQ, humble enough to take guidence and learn, and ceiling for potential (Roy Hibbert). I say Greg Monroe could be the young center Portland needs with much less risk than Drummond brings. 

    Cons: Not a whole lot of defensive talent yet, but he is still only 22 years old and has a lot to learn. Has the athleticism and opportunity to gain experience on a winning team, like the Blazers will be.



    Now with the #9 Pick, Blazers take Damien Lillard out of Weber State. Considered the best PG of the draft and recently his standing has been skyrocketing during the draft combine. People already think Portland wants him, and he will likely fall right around #9. Scoring PG who has unlimited potential, he's ready for the NBA.  



    To solidify the rest of the roster, resign nic batum, resign JJ Hickson (who I picture playing great alongside Monroe at times) and resign Joel Pryzbilla. Joel can help teach Monroe some defense and rebounding intensity that could make his game effective on the other end of the court. 



    Finally, sign Chauncy Billups to a low-contract two year deal. Why? Because of the veteran PGs, he is the only one who will be a mentor to Lillard. Split the minutes between the two and have Billups share  his experience and defensive outlook on the game. Very very smart basketball player who could make a lasting effect in Lillard's game as he goes through the transition. 



    2012-13 Roster

    PG Damien Lillard

    SG Wesley Matthews

    SF Nic Batum

    PF Lamarcus Aldridge

    C Greg Monroe



    Bench rotation: Billups, e.williams, babbitt, hickson, pryzbilla.



    Thoughts?

     

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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/10/2012 8:16 PM

    Link is below if you want to check out Monroe's game. I think Detroit is a team that is looked over (for good reasons) but they have got a talented young center in the making. Not to mention this plan allows Portland to have cap space NEXT summer where there is a much stronger FA pool.

     Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NISqxaC1xCE

    NBA.com:http://www.nba.com/playerfile/greg_monroe/

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  1. BigMike
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    Posted 06/10/2012 8:40 PM

    I Definitely dig this trade, I just dont see the pistons giving up a future all star center for draft picks. But its an awesome idea nonetheless. Although Chauncy Billups has already stated he has no interest in going back to a rebuilding team.
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:09 PM

    If Pistons want higher draft pick, we could do a three team trade with Cleveland. #4 and #24 to Detroit, #6 and #11 to Cleveland, #9 and Monroe to Portland. Blazers could explore a lot of options to get Monroe and a mid first rounder - there are many teams stating they are flexible with their pics. Additional trade bait for Detroit to say yes can always be given if a 3rd team becomes involved.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:12 PM

    Monroe is the best player on Detroit he would not be acquirable for that.

    If you want Monroe with out trading LA, you have to be willing to accept Villaneuva or Gordon in return. 

    A more likely trade is #6, #11 Matthews and S. Williams for Monroe, B. Gordon and #9.

    This would allow Detroit to draft Drummond to replace Monroe and a replacement SG for Gordon in Matthews. It would also free them from Gordon's huge contract and allow them to amnesty Villaneuva. 

    For Portland they would get a legit NBA center with great low post skills. Monroe would also be far cheaper than any potential free agent we could sign. Gordon while expensive was certainly productive for Detroit last season shooting over 40% from 3pt range. In addition, while it looks like Portland would be eating a lot of salary with this deal on the surface, in reality the deal is not that harmful. 

    Gordon will be making 12.4 million next season and Monroe will be making 3.2 million. That is 15.6 million coming in plus another 2.65 million from #9 pick for a total of 18.25 million. While Portland would be giving up 6.5 million in Matthews and 3.15 in S. Williams for a total of 9.65 million, also 2.2 million from the #11 pick and 3.15 million from the #6. That is a total of 15 million leaving. 

    Portland would have a dynamic young center and their potential PG of the future already signed up and all we would have to do is give up 3.25 million in cap space. Portland would still have 20 million in cap space left. Now a significant portion of that will need to go to Hickson and Batum but Portland would still have around 12 million left to finish the roster. 

    PG D. Lillard
    PG N. Smith
    SG B. Gordon
    SG E. Williams
    SF N. Batum
    SF L. Babbitt
    PF L. Aldridge
    PF JJ Hickson
    PF K. Thomas
    C G. Monroe

    Assuming N. Smith, L. Babbitt, K. Thomas, and E. Williams are not traded Portland would still have 2 second round picks J. Crowder, S. Machado maybe and money available to pay J. Freeland and a few role players D. Green, D. Gee, A. Miller? You would have a nice veteran to teach the young PG's in Miller and the return of a fan favorite and a nice safety net if E. Williams does not make a big impact in D. Gee or D. Green. 

    Portland would have 2 guards who can get to the line and get their own shot in Lillard and Miller
    2 great three point threats in Green and Gordon and an athletic yet unproven E. Williams fighting for minutes
    With Batum and Babbitt Portland would have 2 more good three point shooters and a blue collar work horse in Crowder trying to steal minutes. Portland would be very strong with Hickson and Aldridge at PF and they would have a proven low post scorer in Monroe and a unproven but skilled back up in Freeland at C. This would give Portland good balance on offense, Monroe could take the low post and Aldridge could run pick and roll or work from mid range while Freeland could take the mid range while Hickson works the low post on the second unit. Each unit would have a penetrating pg and plenty of shooters to swing the ball to on the perimeter. 

    This is certainly an intriguing team with that roster. 
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:33 PM

    Makes sense. Good Detroit analysis. I would be 100% willing to do this trade if I were the front office. We get a PG and Center to build around without losing our core and maintaining a decent bench. Everything this team wants/needs to go further in the playoffs and build a team that could be scary in two/three years.
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  1. jakeswab746
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:47 PM

    As much as i love that idea because Greg Monroe is a favorite player of mine... Detroit wouldnt give up just draft picks for him. Giving them just wes and the #6 and #11 for monroe is a maybe but he's a soon to be all star and they know it. I wish though!
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:53 PM

    I agree that team has some potential only issue is they would be pretty terrible on defense which is something that could hurt a lot in the playoffs.
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  1. Efitz
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    Posted 06/11/2012 4:39 PM

    It's a good trade, but honestly we'd still have a weak inner defense. I don't know about anyone else but I tend to feel pretty helpless when a team takes it to the rim against us...:/
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/11/2012 5:08 PM

    Defense was my concern as well but if Portland can trade Smith, Thomas and Babbitt for picks or players that is something we could address. 
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/11/2012 6:56 PM

    Is Lilliard going to be around at #9 and if he is not what is plan B.  Is Goric still available?  We definitely need a pg.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/11/2012 7:03 PM

    Detroit and Golden State do not need a PG so that only leaves Toronto at #8 and he could very well be taken there since they have needs and Calderon is not the long term answer.
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/11/2012 7:07 PM

    Kendall Marshall would be backup option. Yes goran dragic is an unrestricted free agent we can pursue.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/11/2012 7:11 PM

    Marshall is a lousy backup option imo
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  1. Mistafab322
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    Posted 06/11/2012 8:29 PM

    amazing trade it could help both teams alot . remember we still got 2 second round picks .
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  1. Blazers2101
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    Posted 06/12/2012 5:04 AM

    I love this trade! I read an article on Greg Monroe the other day and have been watching some footage of him and he is definately the kind of player we're looking for at the Centre position. Big, strong, low-post threat who crashes the boards. Could do to toughen up a bit, but I'm sure Joel would have no problems giving him a few pointers there.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: DRAFT DAMIAN LILLARD! This kid is a baller. Period. He's been doing some serious impressing at the recent combine and is set to be a star in this league.

    Great trade. Would love to see it come to fruition.

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  1. Chazzle94
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    Posted 06/12/2012 8:23 AM

    report thats lou williams from philly is going to opt out of his contract. he had a great year this year, would it be worth chasing him for pg?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/12/2012 10:07 AM

    I have no doubt that Lillard could put up 15 points and 3.5 assists on 40% shooting he would also do it for less than Williams is going to make. 

    If anything I trade Nolan and try and bring in some real competition for Lillard, George Hill maybe or get him a mentor Andre Miller anyone? 
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 06/13/2012 10:52 PM

    The Blazer's relationship with Andre Miller has been ruined, you cant just bring back a player you traded for no good reason, especially with the result we saw. I really like George Hill but its clear Indiana is looking to him to lead them further next year. Like I said, Chauncy Billups is the only real mentor available that would help push Lillard. Nash would want his money and playing time and Kidd doesnt have the patience nor same style as Lillard.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 9:04 AM

    Kidd would be a terrible choice as he is just not productive anymore. I would not mind Chauncy Billups at all but I want to make sure he is healthy first. George Hill would be the best option and the least we could do it make him a nice offer if they match they match but at least try. I think it could work with Andre but you will need to be honest with him, apologize to him, clearly explain his role, and pay him. 
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  1. lightskin350
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    Posted 06/17/2012 11:48 AM

    Legit BIG MEN with talent  as you say are very few in the NBA.............so why would Detroit trade their young talented Center? Why would Billups leave the Clippers for a "low" 2 year contract when he will get paid more to play with CP3 and Blake. Monroe is not a physical player but that could change because he is still very young. I think the Blazers need to stay at 6 and 11 and let the draft come to them. Take Drummond at 6 and take either Rivers or Waiters at 11 because Lillard will not be there and address PG during FA.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/17/2012 3:14 PM

    i just dont see why the pistons would do this trade
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/17/2012 3:14 PM

    i just dont see why the pistons would do this trade
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  1. Ian Hutchins
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    Posted 06/17/2012 11:06 PM

    i do not in anyway agree to this trade. What you should do is do what you have been talking about. And that is trade the 6th pick and the 11th to the cavs and receive the 4th and 24th pick. Then trade the 4th pick to the hornets and Jamal Crawford and take the hornets first overall pick and take Anthony Davis. Then with the 24th pick take maybe Marcus teuge. then sign steve nash in free agency. next years starting lineup.
    PG: Steve Nash
    G: wes Mathews
    SF: Nic batum 
    PF: L TRAIN
    C: unabrowel Davis 
         
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  1. schwabbii
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    Posted 06/17/2012 11:36 PM

    Steve Nash is not going to get us anywhere and I don't quite know if you can trade Crawford straight up for a draft pick...
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  1. log1011
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    Posted 06/18/2012 1:25 AM

    I like the looks of Greg Monroe, but it looks like he doesn't share the ball as much and I think we need a good passer to go with LA. I want Andre back.
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  1. log1011
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    Posted 06/18/2012 1:32 AM

    Sorry, I just confused him with Rodney Stuckey. For a center he would be great, in Portland he would have a lesser role though. LA is our star big guy.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/18/2012 12:47 PM

    I don't think Detroit would do this trade but even if they did Lilliard will not be there at #9.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/18/2012 1:27 PM

    Ricky it would be easy to move up from 9 if needed to sign Lillard.

    The reasons the Pistons would do my version of the trade was the cap flexibility offered from taking on Ben Gordon's contract. Currently, the Pistons have less than 4 million in cap space. With only 10 players signed for next season. Add in the #9 slot and you are less than a million in cap space. 

    By trading Gordon, Monroe, and #9 for Matthews, S. Williams, #6 and #11 they open up additional cap space and get 2 lottery picks. This nets them 3.25 million in savings right away. Plus S. Williams is not under contract beyond next season. So that is additional savings in 2013. 

    In addition to this C. Villanueva could be amnestied freeing up an additional 8 million this season. That would give Detroit 12 million in cap room and they would be out of their two worst contracts. 

    I am not sure Detroit would trade Monroe but if they did they could easily improve their team. 
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/18/2012 1:47 PM

    cmeese47

    I am concerned on the word EASY?  to trade down to get Lilliard.  Most of your available resources to trade are gone (#6 #11 Mathews S. Williams).  What is your idea to move up?  I do not think Gordon with his big contract would be very tradeable.  Let me know.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/18/2012 2:11 PM

    I believe at 9 we only would need to move up 1 spot, so offering #9 and 1 or both of our 2nd round picks should be more than enough to move up to #8 and take Lillard.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/18/2012 3:03 PM

    But I think #8 wants williard as much as we do so why would they make the trade.  I think we would have to go to at least #7.  Does your logic still hold true?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/18/2012 8:01 PM

    Toronto has a lot of players they like for cash or extra picks I am pretty sure they would be willing to take Lamb, Waiters, or someone else at 9. 
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