Who should the Trail Blazers pick at #11?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 10:58 AM

    Glad you came around to Lillard but the last of your post got real confusing
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 06/14/2012 6:30 PM

    #11 is very tricky. There's going to be a surplus of shooting guards to choose from (Waiters, Lamb, Ross, Rivers) and combo bigs (PJ3, Henson, T Jones), but I'm not sold on anyone at 11. I wish Lillard would be there but he won't be. If we go Lillard at 6, I'd look to boost the back court and take Austin Rivers. He's a bit of a project but he's clutch and can create his own shot, two traits that usually translate over to the next level well.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 10:18 PM

    Clyde what do you think of Ross?
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  1. jujurossi
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    Posted 06/16/2012 2:44 AM

    #6 : damian lillard. #11 : meyers leonard (if andre drummond isnot available anymore)
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  1. jujurossi
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    Posted 06/16/2012 2:56 AM

    Lamb doesn't know a single player of the blazers... disapointing! 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/16/2012 9:06 AM

    Lamb is overrated but he will probably turn out well, waiters can score but only played zone defense, Rivers could be good but his effort is lackluster on defense and dominates the ball on offense. Can get his own shot with the best of them but it wont alway be efficient. I still like Ross cause he is a two way player an excellent dunker and is developing a post game at 6'7" he has great height and has room to bulk up. Needs a better first step with the ball and he needs to embrace contact more he reminds a lot of Batum
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/16/2012 9:21 AM

    no thanks on rivers.  i don't want guys that don't want to play defense.  he reminds me of jamal crawford.  just kind of one dimensional and he averaged more TO than assists in college. seems kind of like an all me player. he'll make some highlights on sportscenter but i just don't think he's blazer material. 
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/16/2012 10:08 AM

    Wow, sorry about my earlier post. Even I was confused by it. When I post from my phone, the formatting gets jumbled. I say... Lillard at the 6th pick, then Meyers Leonard at the 11th (unless for some reason Drummond has fallen to 11). I didn't know Leonard had a poor workout in Portland, but I still like him. He's strong, likes to bang, and he has a good attitude. I still like PJ3 at 11. I think if he is there at 11, he would be a solid backup to Batum, and hopefully he could develop into an all-star. In that scenario, every position is strong except for the big. Then we can exert most FA energy and cap on acquiring a big. I like Lillard better than all FA options. I would like to see Nash here though to help D-Lill along, and play similar to Kidd and Terry. Long story short: Lillard, Mathews, Batum, L.A., Leonard. Second string: FA pg, FA sg, FA sf, Hickson, Pryz----------or------- Lillard, Mathews, Batum, LA, FA Center. Second String: FA pg, FA sg, PJ3, Hickson, Pryz. If it was me making the moves, I would try to do something like this.... (Nash, Brooks, or Terry/Lillard, Mathews/McGrady, Batum/PJ3, L.A./Hickson, Kaman/Pryz.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/16/2012 10:13 AM

    Wow, sorry about my earlier post. Even I was confused by it. When I post from my phone, the formatting gets jumbled. I say... Lillard at the 6th pick, then Meyers Leonard at the 11th (unless for some reason Drummond has fallen to 11). I didn't know Leonard had a poor workout in Portland, but I still like him. He's strong, likes to bang, and he has a good attitude. I still like PJ3 at 11. I think if he is there at 11, he would be a solid backup to Batum, and hopefully he could develop into an all-star. In that scenario, every position is strong except for the big. Then we can exert most FA energy and cap on acquiring a big. I like Lillard better than all FA options. I would like to see Nash here though to help D-Lill along, and play similar to Kidd and Terry. Long story short: Lillard, Mathews, Batum, L.A., Leonard. Second string: FA pg, FA sg, FA sf, Hickson, Pryz----------or------- Lillard, Mathews, Batum, LA, FA Center. Second String: FA pg, FA sg, PJ3, Hickson, Pryz. If it was me making the moves, I would try to do something like this.... (Nash, Brooks, or Terry)/Lillard, Mathews/McGrady, Batum/PJ3, L.A./Hickson, Kaman/Pryz.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/16/2012 11:09 AM

    I think we will end up with Kaman or Javelle McGee. Hibbert would be ideal, but I doubt we will shoot for him. I still like PJ3 or Leonard at 11, either one to come off of the bench.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/16/2012 1:06 PM

    I think portland will go after Hibbert but it may tie their hands when going after other players.  I do not know if Portland would go after McGee or Kaman.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/16/2012 11:03 PM

    I think Kaman is probably on their radar.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/19/2012 9:03 AM

    I think we should move from 11 to 7 if Drummond is available at 6 so we can get both he and Lillard. If Drummond is off, take Lillard at 6, then at 11 I like a few: Austin Rivers, Terrence Ross, PJ3, and Leonard. 41st Pick Machado.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/19/2012 12:18 PM

    Ford still has Portland taking Jeremy Lamb in his latest Mock Draft-



    I don't know about you guys, but I'm just not sold on him. He seems like a guy with  Top 3 talent but just doesn't have the will to win, which is 90% of the battle at this level.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/19/2012 1:54 PM

    Maybe Chad Ford assumes all of the players we would normally pick at #11 would already be gone.  Ross, Jones, Meyers, etc,.  But personally I do not like Lamb 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/19/2012 5:39 PM

    I want a work horse and Lamb is not that guy
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 06/20/2012 2:57 PM

    Lamb has that dopey look.. to me he is just too big risk for top 11
    11 pick
    go small - Waiters/Rivers
    go big - Meyers/Zellar

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/20/2012 5:09 PM

    Wonder if Boston would trade their two picks for our #11.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 7:21 PM

    Posted By Kassandra on 06/06/2012 3:04 PM
    Marshall is slow and cannot create his own shot. he won't be able to keep defenses honest and will not end up making as much of an impact as those hoping he will think he will. Lillard is a combo guard; his bio and analysis read like Jamal Crawford. that could be good if you're looking for someone at sg, but not your pg of the future.

    all that being said, do NOT draft a pg with either pick (if we keep them). the pg we need is someone with some nba experience who is ready to lead an nba team (Dragic of houston or Calderon of toronto could be good fits). if we are not on a long-term rebuilding sequence -- which Olshey and Allen say we are not -- that does NOT start with a rookie at the point.

    ~ KMM
    I'm catching up on posts and reanalyzing my initial thoughts.. I was the first one to post on this thread.

    Anyway, I agree with everything you say, unfortunately the free agent PGs available are pretty slim pickens and when you consider some of them like Nash, Terry, Kidd, and others probably won't end up in Portland, it makes the crop even thinner.

    Further take into consideration that Flynn and Felton are free agents and Nolan Smith is the only PG under contract, Portland may really be forced to take a PG in the draft.  It's not a great year for PGs of course, and we've discussed Lillard in other drafts, plus his stock is higher than 11 now, so I won't get into him.

    But I actually do like Marshall.  He's a 6-4 PG and while he's not a heavy guy who will push guys around, he does have a great transition game.  Plus his court vistion, and basketball IQ are high.  

    I know he doesn't score much, but that's because he truly is a floor general... he wants to setup his opponents.  He did for UNC exactly what he needed to do... he setup Zeller, Barnes, and Henson for easy buckets.

    Difference between Lillard and Marshall besides shooting, is that Lillard will get to the bucket more and he's a much better free throw shooter, so when Lillard doesn't, he'll more than likely finish at the line.  Honestly, Lillard has stardom written on his forehead because he fits the mold of the athletic guard that can take over a game attitude... Marshall is just more of a guy who is more capable of running a team and setting up his opponents... passes way better.

    anyway.   i'm going to check out other posts.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 7:29 PM

    lol.  setting up his opponents.  yeah, I meant to say that.  duh.  let's try teammates..
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 7:41 PM

    Posted By D_pickett on 06/06/2012 3:31 PM
    Now that I've watched pieces of the workouts and the interviews with prospects, I am liking Meyers Leonard. He looked like he was about a personal trainer away from banging with the Bynums and Howards of the world. Zeller seems to want to prove himself as a shooter, but we already have one of the best jump-shooting bigs in the league. Zeller's rebound numbers are good, but I think he's used to being one of the biggest guys out there, and that's no longer the case. I like a center that battles for rebounds and isn't afraid to put it back strong or get himself fouled.

    If we don't go with a big. I actually think (hold your attacks please) Austin Rivers is worth consideration. I know it's a big risk/reward game with him, but he has the offensive talent to be a super-star. Defense might be a concern, but considering Doc Rivers is his dad, there has to be a defensive gene begging to takeover in that kids DNA. If teams could still draft out of HS, I'm sure he would've been a lottery pick last year. It would be a shame if the next Kobe were sitting there, waiting to be picked and we let him go because we didn't want to get caught up in all that "hype."
    I was with you till you got to Rivers.

    You're the same one who said you're unimpressed with this year's draft pool and I agree whole-heartedly.  Everyone is a project or flawed in one way or another.  Maybe you could say that about any draft pool, but honestly

    The top point guard prospect isn't a passer
    The top C prospect can't shoot
    The best passing PG prospect can't score
    The top SG prospect is small

    Honestly, I think the best all around point guard is a 2nd round prospect in Machado.  
    I think the Best center might be Meyers Leonard and that's high praise for a guy who's still developing, but his footwork, athleticism, and drive, combined with his height make him one of the most appealing picks in the draft  

    I might compare Meyers to an aggressive Rik Smits.  I dunno.  He just looks like him I guess.  Meyers just works so hard, and even though he's not beefy, he's muscular and works hard in the gym, so count on him getting stronger.

    It's just a very strange year.  The best part of this year's draft might be the depth because while there are projects all over the place (a lot of risk vs reward), there are some guys who are fundamentally sound in the 2nd round.

    Biggest problem is so many guys just want that paycheck and so we all have to take into consideration heart and passion.  I think a guy like Meyers will continue to want to improve.  Drummond better.  I worry about a guy like Barnes, I question his drive.  Zeller will continue to work, but I agree with you... he's nothing more than what we already have in L.A... i hope we don't take him.  He'll produce numbers, but do we want twin towers at PF?  I'd rather get meyers at 11 or even trade down for melo or ezeli.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/20/2012 8:23 PM

    K, lemme try to get some thoughts based on what others have said.

    Someone said he doesn't want lillard/leonard b/c that means portland passed on drummond. I think cmeese said meyers didn't have good workout, and he mentioned Henson.

    Others have said Zeller's the man at 11, or Lamb, some talked about Waiters or Lillard at 11.  I think enough has happened to lead fans to believe that neither Waiters or Lillard will be there at 11.  

    In fact, I think fans are going to be really surprised if Drummond, Lillard or Waiters are there at 11, but it's a strong possibility.

    When speculating draft and listening to supposed experts, people have to keep in mind our current situation.

    Batum and Hickson are restricted free agents, which is to say there's no guarantee they'll be back.  
    Flynn and Felton are free agents and most doubt Felton will be back.
    Thabeet and Prz are free agents.

    You all know that means we essentially have 0 centers, no Small Forward, Nolan Smith as our only PG, and that further means that our only real stability is Aldridge at (soft) Forward and Matthews at SG.

    So pressing needs are obviously center  (some believe that's answered by Drummond) and PG.
    What happens at 6 dictates 11.

    If Drummond is taken, look for Marshall here.
    If Hickson's not re-signed, think about Jones here
    If Batum is not resigned, and if Portland doesn't get Barnes, then look to possibly trade down a bit and get Harkless.
    If Lillard is taken at 6, Meyers Leonard and John Henson are strong choices here.  I don't care if Meyers had a bad workout.  This guy has post moves Drummond doesn't, and he can play above the rim, he hits the gym hard, he's taller than Drummond, and while I don't consider him a premiere shot blocker, he provides a solid post presence with L.A. Henson is a great defender and he can score.  I hope Henson puts on some weight, but he's a great fit.  I also think trading down to get Fab Melo is fine, or even lower to get Ezeli.  

    Zeller to me is nothing more than what we already have in Aldridge and it doesn't really fill the void at center.  And I know Henson isn't exactly the banger we want, and even Meyers can be pushed around, but Drummond's even more of a project offensively than any of them and while thin, Henson can defensively provide as much or more than Drummond can, especially if he adds 30-40 pounds (20 in the gym, 20 with snickers bars).

    No doubt this is not a perfect science, but holes are going to have to be filled via free agency.  We get some depth in the 2nd round.  I'm excited about those picks... some awesome talent available.
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 06/20/2012 9:54 PM

    I feel more and more like Leonard is the guy here if we take (PLEASE) Lillard at 6. We got our PG and then need the best available which to me happens to be leonard.



    Lillard-6 Leonard-11

    or

    Drummond-6 Marshall-11



    ... I prefer the first option though

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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/21/2012 8:16 AM

    I prefer Barnes or Waiters at 6
    Henson (or maybe Meyers) at 11
    Machado later

    What I'm also curious about is what people have been saying about possible PGs or C's portland is targeting via free agency or trade.

    I haven't heard a lot of options at PG other than Lowry and some free agents that probably won't end up here.
    At Center I've been hearing Kaman, but he's going to command more money than probably Batum, and Hibbert's restricted; as are both Lopez brothers and if we're lookin to the Lopez's, Portland can probably do just as well to draft Meyers, Henson, Fab or Ezeli.

    I really just don't like much in the free agent pool and I haven't heard anyone singing any praises either... there's possibilities nobody seems overly excited about and the biggest talk is Hibbert.  Portland could make a play for him, but how much better is Hibbert than Thabeet or one of the C's available in the draft?   I saw Hibbert in school, but haven't followed him since; he was kind of a stiff in school, never played to his potential, but i don't ever recall him having good footwork, not extremely athletic.  He was just a big body with potential and not near the athleticism as a guy like Drummond.

    But I imagine he can score better than Drummond... anyone can.  

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  1. Blazersfan1234
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    Posted 06/21/2012 9:21 AM

    I think that the Celtics would be willing to trade with the Blazers for an oppertunity to draft Austin Rivers. So if a deal went through then we would have the 21st and 22nd pick and the Celtics would get the 11th and 41st. We could then draft Lillard at 6th, Wroten at 21st and Andrew Nicholson at 22nd, anf fill in the need up front at 40th by drafting Kyle O'Quinn. I think it is possible that Lillard switchs over to SG and let Wroton play PG. Since Lillard is a really good shooter and Wroton has a decent passing ability.
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    Posted 06/21/2012 10:19 AM

    that would be funny seeing daddy trying to get him to play D.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/21/2012 10:39 AM

    I think I would rather move up in the draft than move down.  Just filling positions without measureable talent does not bode well for improving your team.  I guess because I do not covet Wroten, Nicholson, or Kyle O'quinn I would not propose to go ahead with this trade.  We all have our ideas of what is a good deal and what is not.
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  1. Blazersfan1234
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    Posted 06/21/2012 11:34 AM

    Well it sounds like the Raptors are willing to deal their 8th pick but I don't think we have the assets to make a deal. Possibly we could trade our 11th and Nolan Smith for their 8th but I don't think Toronto would accept.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/21/2012 11:52 AM

    I think if the talk of Waiters moving into the lottery is true, maybe this is Toronto's way of saying they're not interested and if someone wants to move up, they're going to entertain offers.  I wouldn't give up Matthews and you're probably right, the 11 and Nolan may not be enough, but maybe Allen could throw in some cash, the 41st pick, or future considerations.  Just wondering why Portland would want to move up though, do we want Lillard and Waiters?  Who is there at 8 that we can't already get at 11?

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/21/2012 1:33 PM

    I think Babbitt plus 11 and a future or current 2cd would be enough to get to 8
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  1. Blazersfan1234
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    Posted 06/21/2012 4:38 PM

    Having 6th and 8th would give the Blazers an opportunity to pick Drummond at 6th and Lillard at 8th.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/21/2012 11:20 PM

    5 and 8 would be the best chance to get MKG or T Rob and Lillard
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 06/22/2012 10:03 AM

    Jones or Rivers
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/22/2012 12:40 PM

    So the top 8 in no order would be:  Davis,MKG, T-Rob, Barnes, Waiters, Drummond, Lilliard, and Beal.  Does everyone agree with that?  Which of these is most likely to slide?  I have seen many Mock drafts and usual ones that creep into the top eight are Lamb, P Jones, Zeller,Rivers, or Sullinger before his medical report.  #5 and #8 would probably get you Waiters/Lilliard or MKG/Lilliard.  The wild card is Drummond where different mock drafts have him going #2 thru #8.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/22/2012 1:59 PM

    I have Lamb ranked higher than Waiters and think he goes too Toronto if we stay at 6 and take Lillard
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/27/2012 5:51 PM

    Why is Lamb above Waiters?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/27/2012 6:01 PM

    Size, defensive ability and NBA readiness Waiters might end up the better player but Lamb is ready to play now
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/27/2012 8:28 PM

    Naw, Waiters is stronger, Waiters is more ready.  Lamb averaged like 13 ppg in the wake of Kemba Walker.  Waiters averaged about the same in less minutes off the bench.  More minutes per game for Waiters and, well, no, you're wrong.  Boeheim would side with me, and Calhoun might too. Lamb's a wuss.

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/27/2012 10:01 PM

    If Lamb plays within himself I see him as a potential RIchard Hamilton type if his jumper develops maybe more like a Kevin Martin type.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/28/2012 2:36 PM

    I guess.  I question his heart and based on what I saw in college, he doesn't seem to be a guy who wants to takeover a game and be the star.  He showed a lot of apprehension and I don't know why because when he played amongst stars in the World Championships, he was pretty solid.  And when UConn needed him to rise up his freshman season, he did great.  He's got it in him to be pretty solid, but I'm not sure why you're not sold on Waiters, you don't seem to have anything good to say about him.  Actually you don't talk about him, you just like Lamb and Lillard more than him.

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