Who should the Trail Blazers pick at #6?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/07/2012 11:24 AM

    If Beal falls Portland should take him. They could then move Matthews to Chicago for Taj Gibson and Ronnie Brewer, Brewer is only included to make the contracts match with him on a non guaranteed contract Portland could release and gain even more cap room.
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  1. dukeout
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    Posted 06/07/2012 2:21 PM

    Definitely need to go with Perry Jones and Terrence Jones, or a similar combination.  Maybe Drummond if he's available at 6?  http://www.drafthype.com/2012-nba-mock-draft/
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/08/2012 7:22 AM

    Posted By dukeout on 06/07/2012 2:21 PM
    Definitely need to go with Perry Jones and Terrence Jones, or a similar combination.  Maybe Drummond if he's available at 6?  http://www.drafthype.com/2012-nba-mock-draft/

    i'm going to have to call shenanigans on that mock draft since its has damian lillard being taken at 17.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/08/2012 11:26 AM

    Got agree Lillard would not make it past Portland at 11.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/08/2012 12:34 PM

    well zeller thinks he might go at 6.  i sure hope he was just smoking crack and the blazers didn't actually consider this.  that would mean, presumably, that drummond is taken before 6 which would make beal or barnes availabe at 6.  if we take zeller over beal or barnes i'm moving to canada.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/08/2012 1:51 PM

    Do not sleep on Orlando Johnson.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/08/2012 1:58 PM

    If we taken Zeller at 6 we need to fire the entire front office.
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  1. Hg
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    Posted 06/09/2012 9:02 AM

    In my continuing reading, a new name is moving up. Dion Waiters. I still feel that we should pick the best player available at 6, which is probably Drummand, but if waiters keeps picking up points he could be the BPA at the 6 and if we got a PG with our cap space, such as lowry, or Dragic, or one of the other established PG's then Waiters coming off the bench being an impact scorer and player, can crate, set up other teammates, is unselfish like our last 6th man and can be a combo guard. has good instincts on D and can be a good teammate. We do need a scorer off the bench, we need help with the PG as we are not sure of Nolan or EWill.

    What do you think? If we pass on him at 6 he may not be available at 11
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  1. blazercowboy
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    Posted 06/09/2012 11:21 AM

    drummond shot 28% at the line maybe he can get better but 28%!!! I believe Lillard will be gone at 11 so how about Lillard@6 I know a reach & Leonard at 11 maybe too much of a reach on both??? Crowder & Cunningham in the second round!!! what do you guys think???
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/09/2012 2:32 PM

    Manu Ginobli was picked 57th. 57th !!!!!! One thing i know for certain...talent is overlooked all the time. I dont care about what the stats say, theres only one way to draft talent. Instinct.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/09/2012 2:54 PM

    I do not think Beal or Barnes are available at #6.  Also Drummond is the one available at #6 or Lilliard.  There are plenty of scoring pg's around the league.  CP3, Westbrook, Rose, etc.  Why couldn't Lilliard be one of those rather than a Fredette.
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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/09/2012 5:21 PM

    Posted By boomtown on 06/03/2012 3:22 AM


    Historically, what point guards fans have liked?  they didn't like stoudamire, he was always criticized and that's essentially what lillard is... a shoot first PG and it's not want portland needs and it's not going to be what fans want... unless people think he's the next michael jordan, which he's not.

    Honestly, I think Portland may as well sign Jason Kidd via free agency.

    The biggest problem if Portland is John Canzano.  He seems to hate everybody and I think fans just listen to canzano's big mouth too much.  Felton did struggle last year, but he's had some good years, he just doesn't shoot great, but neither does Marshall and people want him.  I think fans are confused about what they want.  Do they want a shooting point guard or one who has no offensive skills, but has potential and can pass?   I dunno.  But why not just bring in a veteran who can play the position and make passes that fans will be excited about.  Kidd has experience fans will appreciate and another possibility is Dragic, who has quickness fans will be excited about, plus he has experience.... then again I guess so did Felton and that move backfired.


    Since when are portland fans happy about any one player except for the face of the franchise and occasionally a fan favorite? but even that never lasts. blame the media because portland is a fishbowl. i remember when they posted articles about zach randolph the fans ran him out of town. because he went to a strip club? not to get into specifics but look how many times it's happened. people liked rasheed when he was here. yeah he had an attitude but i admire toughness. for example when andre miller knocked blake griffin on his ass. loved it. travis outlaw. rudy fernandez. darius miles. all fan favorites at some point until the media started publishing unflattering articles. but to blame john canzano? he's one person. sometimes he's an over opinionated douche but i agree with him alot of the time. do people really think he has that much of an influence over blazer fans? it's not because of canzano nobody likes felton, he showed up out of shape and played like crap because of it. nobody's fault but his own.
    and i think people like lillard BECAUSE he can score. he shoots at a good clip, can distribute when needed. he was the main scorer on his team and did what was needed to win. it would make sense to sign nash so you can have a vet/rookie, fire/ice punch off the bench. i noticed when the blazers went to their bench there was a huge dropoff in scoring. lillard will be nice coming in for nash, who only plays maybe 35 minutes a game. why not learn from the best? nash wouldn't be a bandaid. he would be a safety net. let him show lillard what a real point guard can do.

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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/09/2012 5:35 PM

    Posted By Hg on 06/09/2012 9:02 AM
    In my continuing reading, a new name is moving up. Dion Waiters. I still feel that we should pick the best player available at 6, which is probably Drummand, but if waiters keeps picking up points he could be the BPA at the 6 and if we got a PG with our cap space, such as lowry, or Dragic, or one of the other established PG's then Waiters coming off the bench being an impact scorer and player, can crate, set up other teammates, is unselfish like our last 6th man and can be a combo guard. has good instincts on D and can be a good teammate. We do need a scorer off the bench, we need help with the PG as we are not sure of Nolan or EWill.

    What do you think? If we pass on him at 6 he may not be available at 11

    no more combo guards!! it didnt work with one of the best in the league, (crawford). addressing a need is absolutely necessary in a draft with this much talent. we dont need a shooting guard. we need a point guard and a center. drafting high based on potential is foolish so drummond wouldn't make sense unless we also take lillard. i can live with that, but if drummond is off the board at 6 i want barnes. he'd be a good 6th man at the 3 or a decent insurance policy if we cant sign batum. that would give the team some versatility and allow them to move matthews and some pieces for a big. think al jefferson.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/09/2012 11:20 PM

    This latest mock draft has Lillard jumping way up to the Blazers #6 pick. If he's the best PG in the draft, #6 is probably just about right I suppose. As long as we don't squander our 0ther 3 picks, this sounds good to me.



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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/10/2012 9:42 AM

    @tobyus most drafts I have seen have Lillard going #6 for a long time.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 06/10/2012 12:38 PM

    Beal, Lillard, Barnes, Drummond is my depth chart for 6 in that order....

    We need to hedge our bet to get Beal though...would need Sac taking Drummond and Cleveland takes Barnes to get Beal...  We should hedge our bet to get Beal... The Juice is def worth the SQUEEZE!!

    Lillard is a nice door prize he tore up the combine looks like the real deal, toughness from growing up in Oakland and he will be fine passer... come on it was Weber State he had to score... and score he can!
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/10/2012 4:40 PM

    I love draft picks because they all seem to have so much potential. I just think whatever Portland does they should make sure they get a star who can play two ways at an elite level. I think the two players in this draft that will be that player for sure are MKG and Davis. Beal, Barnes and Drummond also have that kind of potential but are more of a risk imo. Get one of them at 6 and your giving yourself a chance whether or not it works out.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/11/2012 3:04 PM

    I see a whole lot of crazy talk here, like "Harrison Barnes, hands down" and things of this nature... he's good. PJ3 is good. Lillard, good. Drummond, good (can't shoot a free throw to save his life). But, he is good. It's the perfect storm in Portland. I will be very dissoppointed if they trade up. There are 6 or 7 quality guys we have a chance at who can have an impact, and I truly believe next years Rookie of the Year will wear a Blazers uniform. If Portland brings back Batum and Hickson and signs a Steve Nash, DJ Augustin, or Goran Dragic, our ROY will be Barnes, PJ3, or Drummond, or Lillard could sneak in with surprising play from off of the bench and steal it. The Blazers were way too talented for 28-38 this season. They were in playoff contention midway before a monumental collapse. I think we would have made the playoffs without Roy if their was an indication he could be back at the end of the season. I think guys would have tried harder to hold it together until he returned, but when he was done+oden's done it was too much negative for the team to handle. PJ3, methinks will be Rookie of the Year at small forward. And yes, he can shoot the 3. Only 31% but he played PF. He was working on post moves while the wings were in 3 point shooting drills. He has a good stroken and his length would give some guys problems: Dirk, LBJ, Artest, Durant. As for Lillard, he had to score. Go look at his workout video. But before you do, tell me one scorer you think he should have been passing the ball too. The man can't pass it to himself. He was the only scorer on the team and still had 5 or 6 dimes a game. He had the same amount of assists per game as Kyrie Irving. He had 2 less than john wall per game, but John Walls 3 point % is famously terrible. 23%ish. Lillard:41% hmm. Plus he's running pick and roll with LA. I think he's an 8 assist guy for us his rookie year, and he doesn't turn it over. You know who I like. Fact is, there is no "Xname, hands down." I can knock any one of these guys, and I can find reason for drafting any one of these guys. I'd love to see Drummond fall to us, but i'd soil myself, every time he was shooting 2 in the 4th. Rant complete, I'm just tired of people saying, "We must have Barnes, or Beal," without even researching these other studs. Go against the current, people. Or, at least test the wirl pool before the rapids carry you away
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/11/2012 3:19 PM

    I like your thought. However, i'd like to move the 11th up to 7,8,9 moreso, because the difference between 6 and 5 is smaller than 11 and 7 or even 9 if it means being able to nab PJ3 or Lillard with the 9th pick. Drummond/Barnes/Beal #6 and PJ3/Lillard #7,8,9. -vs- Drummond/Barnes/Beal and Tyler Zeller/Leonard/Sullinger/Kendall Marshal/maybe Lillard or PJ3 (unlikely). I like all of these guys, but I think there is a clear difference between the two tiers. Marshall will flop, unless he's a bench player behind a great pg
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/11/2012 5:32 PM

    If Portland wants Lillard they need to take him @6 or use the number #11 in a trade and move up to #7 or #8. At this point I cannot see Toronto passing up Lillard if he is there at #8. Best option would be a deal with Toronto maybe. Get them to take N. Smith, L. Babbitt, S. Williams or K. Thomas and #11 and possibly future second round pick for #8. That way we clear salary and move up. 
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/12/2012 8:59 PM

    Its simple. Take Lillard at 6 because, { from Blazers Edge } Weber State's Damian Lillard was the real star of the draft combine. He was the best player to agree to do the drills and it paid off for him. Many of the NBA executives in attendance had never seen him play in person before and the rest had only seen him only a handful of times. Lillard shot the lights out, had a couple of terrific dunks in the drills and 3-on-3 play, played hard and was very good in interviews with teams.

    His measurements also turned out to be eerily similar to Derrick Rose.

    ...

    I believe Lillard's range starts with the Blazers at No. 6. I doubt he slips past the Phoenix Suns at 13. He's got workouts in Toronto on Monday, as well as Sacramento and Phoenix this week.



    And grab Meyers Leonard at 11.

    Use the cap to sign Nic and JJ.. P.A., please grab some of your loose change and buy Nash and another big.

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  1. The Unholy
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    Posted 06/12/2012 9:20 PM

    Posted By commontongue on 06/12/2012 8:59 PM
    Its simple. Take Lillard at 6 because, { from Blazers Edge } Weber State's Damian Lillard was the real star of the draft combine. He was the best player to agree to do the drills and it paid off for him. Many of the NBA executives in attendance had never seen him play in person before and the rest had only seen him only a handful of times. Lillard shot the lights out, had a couple of terrific dunks in the drills and 3-on-3 play, played hard and was very good in interviews with teams.

    His measurements also turned out to be eerily similar to Derrick Rose.

    ...

    I believe Lillard's range starts with the Blazers at No. 6. I doubt he slips past the Phoenix Suns at 13. He's got workouts in Toronto on Monday, as well as Sacramento and Phoenix this week.



    And grab Meyers Leonard at 11.

    Use the cap to sign Nic and JJ.. P.A., please grab some of your loose change and buy Nash and another big.

    glad somebody agrees with me on taking lillard at 6 and signing nash in free agency. if portland does that i'd be giddy. in my opinion one of the best case scenarios.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/12/2012 9:51 PM

    I think Thabeet could take Drummond.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/13/2012 11:06 AM

    Ford's got us taking Lillard at 6 in his latest mock draft with Drummond off the board and says we'll take him over Barnes who has he going #7.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/13/2012 11:45 AM

    I would take Lillard over Barnes because he fills a need and his tremendous upside. The only problem I have with Barnes is he does not have a consistent motor. Which would worry me on this team since Batum and Matthews have their own consistency issues. Although Matthews always plays hard. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/13/2012 12:51 PM

    Here's what Ford had to say about Lillard-


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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/13/2012 12:54 PM

    Hard to take Ford seriously when he spouts of stupid stuff like taking Jeremy Lamb at #6. 
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/13/2012 1:12 PM

    Let's keep our #6pick and use our other assets to move into the #5 spot.  #11 plus mathews plus second rounder might be enough to get us there.  Then we might be able to draft Lilliard, and Beal or Barnes.  We might even think about Robinson if he falls.  We would need to assess the value of the Beal, Barnes,or Robinson at #5 vs. Meyers or Zeller at #11. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/13/2012 2:29 PM

    No need to trade Wesley Matthews right now unless we are getting someone like MKG. 
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/13/2012 2:43 PM

    i really do like wesley's heart and desire but i do think he is kind of overrated in portland.  he showed a lot last season why he was not drafted out of college. did anybody notice how he was completely unable to run a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 fast break. he was completely inept at this and turned the ball over or missed a lay in probably 75% of the time. i mean, it was ugly.  i would not mind seeing the blazers move him or use him like OKC uses sefalosha.  he's certainly not the 2 guard of the future for this team though if we want to be contenders.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/13/2012 3:03 PM

    Matthews is one of the few people that I know actually gives a damn every game, does he need to develop yep but his passion and work ethic might actually have him earn that hefty 6.5 million he is making.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/13/2012 6:28 PM

    He can stand to work on his handles a little bit. Actually alot.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 8:36 AM

    Yes his ball handling is very suspect and he needs to move more without the ball in his hands. If his ball handling improved I think he would be more aggressive and his shooting percentage would increase.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/14/2012 9:20 AM

    Other than Reggie Miller,Ray Allen, and Rip Hamilton,and sometimes Manu, there are maybe two other guys who are constantly moving without the rock. Running guys through screens,reverse screens,coming off a curl and letting shots go, is becoming a lost art.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 10:51 AM

    Agreed but it needs to be brought back as it makes people really hard to guard. That was how Boston helped free up Pierce from Igoudala they forced him to fight through multiple screens or the team to switch.
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/14/2012 11:21 AM

    yeah. that's how you wear the defense out. this is very important especially if you're playing an elite guard like kobe or d wade.  wear them out so they're exhausted on the offensive end. 
    back to pick 6. i've been having nightmares about us drafting drummond.  somebody please tell me it's not going to happen.  DON'T DO IT OLSHEY. after watching his interview i just don't think he's got what it takes to make a major commitment to improving and fulfilling his potential.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 11:37 AM

    Lillard should be the pick
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  1. car889
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    Posted 06/14/2012 2:15 PM

    It will come down to either Barnes/Drummond or Lillard. If it's between Barnes and Lillard I'd choose Barnes for sure, but I would definitely choose Lillard over Drummond. 
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/14/2012 2:31 PM

    yeah. barnes vs. lillard is a tough decision. i used to be barnes all the way but now i'm almost leaning toward lillard.  is beal participating in the combine? just wondering how he's doing, whether he is slipping or staying around that 2-4 projection. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 5:55 PM

    From what I know he has not gone up or down.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 06/14/2012 6:22 PM

    I have a feeling that Portland is going to have to make a very difficult decision at #6. I think MKG or Beal could slide, Drummond may be there, and Barnes could be an option as well. Do you take Lillard or do you go after one of the guys who have slipped?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/14/2012 10:14 PM

    I think you can try and get both we have some trade assets to move up and still get Lillard and one of those who have slipped.
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  1. D Licious
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    Posted 06/15/2012 11:27 AM

    I am the same way with Barnes vs Lillard... a few weeks ago Barnes but now I'm leaning toward picking Lillard at 6 and and even keeping 11 rather than packaging picks to Cleveland for MKG or Beal and 24

    Beal would be sweet pick up if we sign Goran but if we strike out in FA Lillard could produce out of the gate due to his HIGH EFFICIENCY (second to Anthony Davis in all NCAA) he makes great decisions and can stroke as well as any shooter coming out in a long time..... Im thinking Steph Curry that can D up and attack rim,, not a bad vision for red and black

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/15/2012 12:09 PM

    Portland could really change the dynamic of this team. Here is what they should do. 

    Trade #11, Wesley Matthews or Elliot Williams and Shawne Williams their choice and uncap next years draft choice for Corey Maggette and #2. 

    Charlotte already has our pick next season if it not in the top 13; however, uncapping the pick would give them a lot more incentive to make this deal. Two, Wesley Matthews or Elliot Williams would be a suitable replacement for Corey Maggette. Three, the trade would allow Charlotte to amnesty Diop. Lastly, they would still get a good player at #11 who they could use to sign someone like T. Jones, P. Jones III or someone like Austin Rivers. 

    Portland would guarantee themselves Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, he is essential because it would allow us to move Batum to SG if we resigned him or allow us to let Batum sign with another team and go after someone like Eric Gordon. 
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/15/2012 12:36 PM

    Meese you drop the absolute knowledge on us consistently Bro. If you're not already, you should fill out an application to join the Blazers. Personally, id rather that we package the Williams brothers before including Wesley in that trade.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/15/2012 1:26 PM

    I am torn on that common Matthews is a warrior but he is signed long term still. The Williams bros could be gone next year if they struggled. Plus, Elliot could still develop into a baller, which is why I would let Charlotte decide.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/15/2012 4:49 PM

    Why not trade #11 and uncap next years first rounder and S. williams for #2.   I like Mathews and E. Williams better than Corey Magette.  This would also mute the supposed verbal to Dion Waiters for #11.  Our back court would be Lilliard and MKG if we did not sign Dragic in the FA market with Mathews in back up. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/15/2012 5:09 PM

    The problem is Charlotte really values the #2 pick so taking on Maggette's contract become a key reason for them to make the trade. They need to get rid of Diop but using the amnesty on Maggette would probably save them more money. By giving them a good player and allowing them to amnesty the player they really wanted to, Charlotte would be more receptive to trading us the #2 pick. 
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/15/2012 8:31 PM

    Thanks for the info.  How much was Magette's contract.  How much is Mathew's contract? 
     


     


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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/15/2012 8:35 PM

    DHawes22 should we have another list to choose from?  The first one seems to be somewhat outdated.
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    However, I do believe Mo Williams could have somewhat of  a high trade value. Olshey needs to make a deal to get a big man while we...

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