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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/30/2012 7:22 PM

    What should the Trail Blazers do with their lottery picks?
    Keep Both Lottery Picks (33)
     46%
    Draft At #6, Trade #11 (12)
     17%
    Trade #6, Draft At #11 (5)
     7%
    Trade Both Picks (13)
     18%
    Package Both Picks To Move Up (9)
     12%


    For the first time in franchise history, the Portland Trail Blazers will have two lottery picks (#6, #11) heading into the upcoming June draft. But this is not just any draft. The 2012 draft has been heralded over the past couple years as the one you want to be, touted as one of the deepest drafts in recent history. The good news for Portland is they have options. If they decide they want an influx of young talent, they will have four picks in the draft. Yet, if they decide they need to add some veteran talent to help LaMarcus Aldridge, they could have upwards of $20 million in salary cap space to spend this summer.

    You be the GM for a moment. Do you keep both lottery picks and start the rebuilding process that way? Do you keep one and trade the other? Do you send both picks packing for a legit All-Star? Or do you target someone in the Top 3 of the draft and use both picks to move up and acquire that player?

    Personally, I would keep both picks. There's no use in trading up 2 or 3 spots in a deep draft like this. There's talent available, you just have to find it. By taking the best player available at both lottery selections, it will give the Trail Blazers two other, young cornerstones to build around LaMarcus Aldridge. Will they be ready to contribute right away? More then likely no. At least, not at the level we'd like. But this is where having cap space comes in to help. After the draft, Portland can use the cap space to fill positions of need as well as immediately bolster the talent on this roster. A mix of youth and players in their prime puts the Trail Blazers on the road to recovery in the Western Conference. The main reason I don't like dealing the picks is because I don't see a legit All-Star being made available. You may see a Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala-type player on the table, but I'll take the risk of finding a star in the draft over fringe All-Stars. We traded for one in the past (Gerald Wallace) and it didn't work out as we got him past his prime. Also, if you deal the picks for players, your losing a chunk of the cap space in doing so.

    That's what I would do. What do you say?





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  1. Herr
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    Posted 05/30/2012 7:44 PM

    It really depends for me.  Portland needs a point guard or center more than anything, and there's not many centers other teams are likely to trade.   If the Blazers can land an all-star caliber point guard, primarily Deron Williams, trade both for him if he's willing to resign with the Blazers.

    If not, I would keep both picks.  Remember, our recent era was built around Roy and Oden.  Oden basically never played, but Roy's short years in the NBA were historic for this franchise and will never be forgotten.  He was selected 6th.

    I think aiming for the playoffs next season is kind of pushing it.  Sure, we'd love to make it, but an extra year or so, and the Blazers will be right there with a good chance to improve.   You've got an All-Star and great backup at powerforward.  Get a high draft pick center, and we'll have a good enough point guard.  LaMarcus has yet to play with a good offensive center.  When he has a center playing well and drawing attention, he's unstoppable, but right now the way to shut down the Blazers is to double LaMarcus.  Prevent that from happening and the Blazers can be a real threat.

      You could start up a franchise, and a really good one, with these two picks along with what you currently have.  ESPECIALLY if you get a point guard and center.  There's a good possibility of that happening.  Look for deals with these picks, but don't be eager to trade them.  These are very valuable picks, especially if packaged together.  Get the best deal possible.  Either way it's a win-win unless we draft another Oden.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 05/30/2012 7:44 PM

    Lets look at all our options. Whatever makes the best sense for the team is what im a fan of. Two things are certain, we need a big and we need a point. Kendall while slow, is the best decision maker with the rock in the draft. He's seen better competition than also than most of the pg's available. Having said that,he's a liability on " D ". We need the cat who can come in and run right now.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 05/30/2012 7:46 PM

    Washington has a Big in Nene, maybe they may want to work out something. Perhaps a swap of their pick if we sweeten it with Kurt, and some cash.
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  1. sameer
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    Posted 05/30/2012 9:13 PM

    I would avoid Beal, Sullinger, and any other players that are undersized for their positions. If we draft a Center, it should be a legit 7-footer.

    With the 6th pick, the Blazers should take Harrison Barnes. Another long wing that can space the floor and slash isn't a threat to Batum, who can play at the 2 or the 3, but a legitimate backup for him and a strong sixth or seventh man. If Barnes isn't available, then hopefully it's because Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is (and we should take him then instead). If not either guy, then take Kendall Marshall, who will almost certainly be available. He's been compared to a younger Andre Miller - a little slow is the key comparison - but unlike Andre, he can get faster and he's bigger. I suppose Damian Lillard would also work because he's 6'3" (Marshall is 6'4") and the Blazers will probably work them both out and see who's a better fit with the team. One of those four will definitely be available (probably not MKG) at the 6th pick. Another option is Drummond, but I'd make sure he's good in a workout and get at least 100 doctors to certify his knees. This pick, more so than the other, needs to be a guy who can play (less important if he's a star, just that he doesn't end up in a suit).

    With the 11th pick, the Blazers should take a big. I think Tyler Zeller will be available, and he's a legit 7-footer. Depending on how Meyers Leonard looked when he worked out for Portland, he's an option too if Zeller's off the board by then, as is John Henson (though he's undersized). If Leonard isn't good enough and Zeller's taken, they should look at filling a need they didn't address with the 6th pick. If they took a PG at 6, they should look at Perry Jones III (oversized at the 3, can play either forward position), or go for the best available and look to trade. They could also take a PF in anticipation of letting Hickson walk. If they didn't take a PG at 6, though, then obviously they should look to see if Marshall or Lillard are still available, or look at Tony Wroten. Big PGs (Wroten is 6'5") can't hurt. But I'd like to see a big come through the door at 11.

    They could also look at (for either pick) Terrence Ross and Jeremy Lamb. I think in all odds they'll end up with a PG in the draft, and should then immediately pursue signing Goran Dragic and resigning Batum, Przybilla and Hickson. Then if they drafted a wing, they should get a Center, or vice versa. In any of these cases, tradeable assets include the 11th pick if it's a best-available sort of pick, as well as Nolan Smith, Jamal Crawford (if he stays), Shawne Williams (if he stays), and possibly Babbitt. I'd like to see the Blazers keep Babbitt, and end up with a rotation including Dragic and Marshall pick at PG, Matthews and Elliott Williams at SG, Batum and Barnes at SF, Aldridge and Hickson at PF, and Przybilla and Zeller at C (I know that includes 3 picks but I'm saying sign a Free Agent or trade for a guy to fill whichever of those 3 spots we don't fill via the two picks). The remaining roster spots can go to Babbitt and then just fill it out, ideally with some more bigs and a combo guard (we will get 2 picks in the second round, so that can fill some).
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  1. abarrer3
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    Posted 05/30/2012 9:20 PM

    I would love to see a package of #6 and #11 to the Wizards for #3... That way we can lock up either Kidd-Gilchrist or Beal if one is gone at #2. I would love that package deal
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  1. jonthorpe
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    Posted 05/30/2012 9:29 PM

    Kidd-Gilchrist is great but if we can get Zeller and Harrison Barnes that is a whole lot more than just one good SF. Only get Kidd if you're certain we wont have Batum and can find a center and PG outside the draft. Very risky move where you get one amazing player at the expense of not filling our biggest needs.
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  1. postedbailblazers
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    Posted 05/30/2012 9:40 PM

    Have to fish for trades and see what people are willing to do.  If there isn't anything great coming our way we keep what we got and make the best of it...which is Barnes and Marshall, Lillard, or Rivers.<?>  Dunno how Zeller's workout looked but I have this gut 'Meh' feeling about him.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 05/30/2012 9:49 PM

    I like Perry Jones and Terrence Jones. Draft the Jones brigade.
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  1. Chazzle94
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    Posted 05/30/2012 9:53 PM

    What do people think about drafting Beal at the 6th pick? Yes, he doesnt necessarily fill our gap at pg or c. And yes, he has been greatly criticised for being undersized for a two guard, but from what footage i have seen, he has an amazing handle on the ball and passing and rebounding ability. He's got the height and possesses the skills of a pg, why not teach him a new trick and transform him into one? It happens all the time, when players are too undersized for the position they are drafted for, so they must make adjustments in their game to fill in the gaps and play at a different one. I'm probably completely wrong, so its just something for you to dwell over..If so, he is still a great pick and I'd be happy with him in the blazers uniform.
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  1. BlazerForever
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    Posted 05/30/2012 10:35 PM

    Get a seasoned, smart Point Guard. 
  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 05/30/2012 11:41 PM

    this choice would be much easier if there was a pg this draft... but we need a seasoned pg, a solid center, and a go to guy down the stretch- I honestly can not see keeping both
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  1. Chazzle94
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    Posted 05/31/2012 12:10 AM

    Roy Hibbert is a free agent and just what we need, but it would be a very large ask..think there is any chance of acquiring him? pacers will want to hold to him at all costs
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  1. Reggie Lucenara
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    Posted 05/31/2012 2:22 AM

    to trade for a veteran, not really necessary because you can get a lot of free agent these summer so its just a waste of time. to trade to go up in the draft, you can if there is a really really good player than your drafting but in these draft there is a lot of good players that  can still be available at #6 and 11. In my opinion I would keep the draft. I dont want to ge another pg, unless he is really good because pg takes a lot of transition to the nba. I would say, get a player that can create his own shot because that is what we are missing. at number 6 pick either Harrison Barnes or Jeremy Lamb. and, on number 11 pick a big center because thats what we need. 
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  1. Reggie Lucenara
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    Posted 05/31/2012 2:24 AM

    I forgot to mention to sign a good pg this summer in Goran Dragic
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  1. zkelly0102
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    Posted 05/31/2012 6:41 AM

    i dont think you realize that Drummonds draft pick is going down every couple of weeks. we have a chance to get him! it depends on how they prove theirselves in the combine!
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  1. mdmgrand
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    Posted 05/31/2012 9:01 AM

    Keep them.... Let Batum walk, then draft Perry Jones with the 6th and Meyers Leonard with the 11th.  This would allow the Blazers to make a run at any PG in Free Agency and keep Hickson and Pryz. 
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 05/31/2012 11:05 AM

    I would say to draft the best player available regardless of their position.  Then assess what to do in the free agency market and look at trades.  It seems this way we would increase the talent on the team.  I see a lot of good players to select from but lets get the best available. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/31/2012 11:13 AM

    Posted By abarrer3 on 05/30/2012 9:20 PM
    I would love to see a package of #6 and #11 to the Wizards for #3... That way we can lock up either Kidd-Gilchrist or Beal if one is gone at #2. I would love that package deal
    I think that's a massive overpay on Portland's part. I would think that #6 + a guy like Wesley Matthews or Nolan Smith, someone like that, should be more then plenty to move up 3 spots in the this draft.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/31/2012 11:23 AM

    Trade to get a proven point not pass their prime. An awesome point Guard can do wonders for a team.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/31/2012 11:43 AM

    Would Paul Millsap be worth the #6 pick? John Hollinger brought up this proposal today during his ESPN.com chat.
     Mike (Idaho)
    If the Jazz did decide to move Al or Sap, what could they reasonably get back? And should they move one?

    John Hollinger
    Have to look for backcourt help, and especially shooting. Ideally trade him for a young point guard, or perhaps do something like trading Millsap to Portland for the No. 6 pick and taking Lillard.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/31/2012 11:45 AM

    Posted By kenny c. on 05/31/2012 11:23 AM
    Trade to get a proven point not pass their prime. An awesome point Guard can do wonders for a team.
    In a normal year, this makes sense. But when we have upwards of $20 million in cap space to use in a loaded free agent pool filled with point guards, I don't see how dealing our lottery picks for a point guard is maximizing our assets.
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  1. austinbain88
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    Posted 05/31/2012 12:03 PM

    trade both picks along with crawford and felton for dwight and sign williams 
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 05/31/2012 12:14 PM

    batum and pick 11 for all jefferson, drummond behind jefferson =D
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 12:57 PM

    When considering what Portland should do, one first has to consider team need and chemistry.  There are no more glaring needs than a Center and Point Guard.  And from a chemistry stand-point, there are many players I've targeted that I think are necessities for Portland.

    The best Center in this draft and the guy Portland would love to have is Anthony Davis, but packaging both picks to move up and grab him will not happen.  There are other options such as Meyers Leonard of Illinois and Zeller of North Carolina.  Zeller is more polished for certain, but Leonard may have more upside.  Having seen both play a lot in college, I'm not sure I would spend a lottery pick on either.  Zeller can shoot from the floor, free throw line, he can rebound, and play defense, but with Aldridge here already, I personally think Portland should be targeting a better shot-blocker.  John Henson (also of UNC) swatted 3 shots per game, over double Zeller.  I personally think Henson has more upside than Zeller, but he's a bit more raw.  He also needs to improve at the free throw line; he did so 3 years in a row at UNC, but he was never better than 50 percent, a stat that I'm sure makes Bill Schonely cringe.

    Personally I wouldn't take any of them with 6th or 11th picks.

    At point guard, there are really 2 main options here:  Kendall Marshall of UNC and Damian Lillard of Weber State.  Local fans who follow Portland State should be familiar with Lillard, but sometimes it's hard to see just how good someone is when he's compared against competition from the Big Sky.  Right now Lillard is projected right around where Portland's picking at 11, but if this guy had played in a major conference, I think he'd be a top 5 pick.  This guy has all the tools; his only problems are that he's a shoot-first PG and he carried the load for Weber State, so he has to become a better TEAM player.  This guy fits the mold of a Damon Stoudamire type player.  Kendall Marshall was one of the better distributing guards in the nation last year and had it not been for injuries, we may not even see this guy in the draft pool.  I do think he would be a great option for Portland, but he's coming out as a Sophomore and it's apparent in his play.  He is raw, and while his assist to turnover ratio is solid (3:1), he does turn the ball over a few times per game, and he's not a great shooter, so he needs work.

    Again, I wouldn't take either of them with the 6th or 11th picks.

    If I were the GM of the Blazers, this is my strategy for the 2012 draft:

    6.  Harrison Barnes, North Carolina.  The uncertainty of Batum's future is one reason, but I also think he's a stronger and more aggressive version of Batum.  Batum may have a moother stroke, but I think the upside of Barnes is phenomenal; he's an all-star type of guy and for the next few years he'll be cheaper than the price tag Batum's going to demand as a restricted free agent.

    I would then talk to the Boston Celtics and see if there's any chance of trading the 11th pick down to get their 21st and 22nd picks.  

    If no, then I might consider Barnes' teammate Henson because he's a 6-11 shot-blocker, a stat Portland definitely needs to improve upon.

    If Portland can pull off the trade, it opens a world of (cheaper) possibilities and a lot of guys who I think are more NBA ready than many guys with upside that'll be taken before them.

    21.  Terrence Jones, Kentucky (out of Portland Oregon).  He's the local product that I think fans would really love because this guy is a fierce fighter.  He played much stronger than Anthony Davis and he was a huge key in the Wildcats success.  I know PF is not a pressing need for Portland with L.A., however, Jones is much more of a banger than L.A., and he is exactly what Portland needs.  The coach will find a way to utilize them on the court at the same time.  Add to them my next pick and Portland could have one of the best front-courts in the NBA.

    22.  Fab Melo, Syracuse.  Obviously fans want to put the problems of Oden behind them, well, I think bring in Melo will help bandage the situation.  Some people question this guy because he's raw, but things you need to know about him:  He is a legitimate 7-footer whose minutes tripled from his Freshman to Sophomore seasons, and with that his stats tripled as well.  In only 22 minutes a night, this guy blocked 3 shots per game.  He was one of the most improved players in the nation and it was a big blow to Syracuse when he was ruled ineligible for tournament play (no specifics were given, but I'm pretty sure it was academics).  This guy needs to improve his shooting, get aggressive offensively, and dunk more, but a lot of that will improve with his confidence.  This is a guy with excellent raw skills, a world of potential, but his best attributes are his height and shot-blocking ability.  

    From a chemistry and team need stand-point, a front-court with L.A., Melo, and Jones would be outstanding.  Add Barnes and a PG, and Portland has a very strong, physical lineup on the court.  Jones could come in off the bench if Matthews is going to start.  But Jones could start depending on who we're playing.  Barnes could rotate in, etc... lots of possibilities with these guys.


    If Jones or Melo are gone, another player I would consider is Dion Waiters (Fab's teammate ).  I like Wesley Matthews a lot and do not see the NEED to bring in Waiters, but I think Waiters is an absolute superstar in the makings.  He came in off the bench at Syracuse mainly because he had more experienced guys starting ahead of him, but when he came in, he always changed the dynamic of the game.  He can shoot, rebound, and pass, but what I love most about this guy is his defensive tenacity (2 steals per game in only 24 minutes a night), and he's got some great moves.  This guy has a knack for getting to the rim and making things happen, usually finishing the play with a dunk, or close-range shot.  Give this guy a season or two to develop as a 6th man and it's going to be hard to keep him out of the starting lineup, let alone the all-star game.

    2nd round...

    40.  Scott Machado, Iona.  This is a no-brainer and I think his stock will be on the rise.  He led the nation in assists for most the year, he shoots 50% from the floor, 80% from the stripe, and he is more NBA ready than Marshall of UNC.  He's a 4-year starter whose numbers improved every year for Iona.  I think this is a guy who could start for the Blazers right away and getting him with the 40th pick is absolutely ridiculous, but he's from a small school and there's other guys like Doc Rivers' son, Marshall, Lillard, and others mentioned before him.  If you want a sound, level-headed player who can run the offense, Machado's the guy.  His downfall may be his turnovers, but his decision-making will improve when he has better talent around him in the NBA.

    41.  At this point Portland could trade down, or take the best player on the board, and players I would consider are:

    Draymond Green, Michigan State.  Getting a quality player like this so low in the draft is an absolute plus for the Blazers.  He's mature and carried MSU.  He is a big body who can rebound and shoot with good range.  I really love this guy.

    Kyle O'Quinn, Norfolk State.  Who you ask?  Well, this guy led his team to an upset of a very talented Missouri team in the NCAA tournament.  He is a legitimate double-double guy who can block shots.  At #41 in the draft, this guy is a steal and he has a world of upside.  He's a 4- year starter whose numbers increased each year, other than free throw shooting.  He was nearly 80% as a Junior, but faltered a bit as a Senior from the charity stripe.  No worries.  This guy would be a great complement to L.A.

    Kris Joseph is worth a pick, but as mentioned prior, I like the upside of Dion Waiters and I'd go out of my way to get Waiters before settling on Joseph.  Still, he led Syracuse in scoring and he's worth a roster spot in the NBA.  To me this is not an exciting pick, but he's a solid player who is ready to contribute now.

    One last sleeper to me is Yancy Gates.  I'm not sure if he'll even be drafted, but this is a 260 pound Center from Cincinati who is a pretty good player.  He's not a shot-blocker and I question his determination and work-ethic, but he's a really good character guy and I'm sure he would work hard.  He's got the size to push guys around; I'd just like to see him be a lot more assertive and that might be one of the main reasons why he's not drafted.  Still, he's worth a late draft pick, or bringing into camp after the draft.


    Guys I would probably avoid:

    Jared Sullinger.  Once touted as a one-and-done after his Freshman season, he lost weight and returned for his Sophomore season.  I like him as another L.A., or even Tim Duncan in this league, but as far as team needs go, I don't think this guy is the physical speciman, nor the type of post player Portland wants, or needs.

    Perry Jones III.  He's got a lot of raw skills, but I don't think this guy's for Portland.  My problem with him is that he's not nearly assertive enough and sometimes he seems to not even be trying.  If he had put-forth 100% night in and night out, Baylor could have been a lot more successful.  This guy is nearly 7 feet tall, but he doesn't block shots.  He can rebound, and he shoots with a good percentage from the floor, but this guy plays more like a soft small forward, and I wouldn't put him anywhere near the class of a Dirk Nowitzki.  I'd say this guy is way over-rated, but he does have the raw skills to prove me wrong if he shows some drive and determination to actually try.

    Austin Rivers - The son of Doc and product of Duke.  This guy has a lot of potential, but honestly I don't know what to make of this guy.  He was supposedly the point man for Duke, but he only averaged 2 assists per game and he committed more turnovers than assists.  He's not strong, and I really don't know that he'd be any better for Portland than Nolan Smith.  Rivers has more upside (than Smith), but I don't think Portland will be patient enough for him because he's going to command a pretty high draft pick, possibly a lottery pick, and the expectations are going to be too great for what little he'll produce.  He's going to score much more than he's going to pass and Portland just doesn't need this type of player at all.

    In the past Portland has drafted guys with upside such as Jermaine O'Neal, but projects like that do not stay in Portland.  Portland needs to get guys who are ready to contribute now, and all the afore-mentioned have the ability to play big minutes now.  O'Quinn, Machado, and Draymond have a lot of college experience.  Fab Melo and Jones stayed in school for a 2nd year, and they've got the size to play now.  Waiters will not need much grooming at all, he has a strong frame.  Joseph has plenty of experience.  And I'm excited to see Barnes raise his game to the next level in the NBA.  

    Exciting times for Portland.  I can't wait for the 28th.  GO BLAZERS!!!
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 1:16 PM

    I loved Roy in college, but he never really seemed to flourish.  What he brings is shot-blocking and Portland definitely needs that.  What's the asking price going to be, because I think Portland has the opportunity to get shot blockers such as Henson, Melo, O'Quinn, and others in the draft.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 1:35 PM

    sorry, that was in response to someone's comments about Roy Hibbert
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 2:22 PM

    Posted By DHawes22 on 05/31/2012 11:43 AM
    Would Paul Millsap be worth the #6 pick? John Hollinger brought up this proposal today during his ESPN.com chat.
     Mike (Idaho)
    If the Jazz did decide to move Al or Sap, what could they reasonably get back? And should they move one?

    John Hollinger
    Have to look for backcourt help, and especially shooting. Ideally trade him for a young point guard, or perhaps do something like trading Millsap to Portland for the No. 6 pick and taking Lillard.
    Read Casey's take>>>

    I think Lillard's a chemistry problem in the making, so if he's worth the 6th pick and Utah wants him, let's make the trade.  I like that Millsap can block shots, but I also really loved Favors in college and he has it in him to be a much better player than he's shown thus far.

    It looks to me like Al and Sap are going to command pretty high salaries and I have a feeling Portland would be reluctant to trade the 6th pick for either of them, but I'm not the GM.  I do think we need a shot-blocker to complement L.A. and I've profiled some of the guys I like in a post above.

    Also, with all the talk about PGs, I think if Machado's there in the 2nd round, Portland has to scarf this guy up.  
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 2:56 PM

    One other thing I'd like to mention is we don't need a guy like Fab Melo if we aim to develop Thabeet.  This guy is a major presence in the paint.  At UConn, this guy blocked as many as 10 shots in a single game multiple times.  Not only a shot blocking force, he alters a hoard of others.  His problem is that he's been sent to the D league twice.  If Portland decides to start giving this guy a lot of minutes, well, he's exactly what the doctor orders.  That would also allow Portland to do some other things besides targeting a project like Henson or spending a pick on Melo.   

    I'd like to hear what others have to say, but when the smoke clears, if Portland lands Barnes, Jones, Waiters, and Machado, I think it'd be a BOOMing success.
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/31/2012 3:10 PM

    Maybe we can trade those picks for a GM AND head coach, come on ALLEN get over yourself!
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  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 05/31/2012 3:14 PM

    Yeah, that seems right dhawes22. I was thinking we could offer the clippers the two picks and get Paul or even San Antonio and get Parker - ha ha one can dream.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/31/2012 3:51 PM

    Posted By boomtown on 05/31/2012 2:22 PM
    Posted By DHawes22 on 05/31/2012 11:43 AM
    Would Paul Millsap be worth the #6 pick? John Hollinger brought up this proposal today during his ESPN.com chat.
     Mike (Idaho)
    If the Jazz did decide to move Al or Sap, what could they reasonably get back? And should they move one?

    John Hollinger
    Have to look for backcourt help, and especially shooting. Ideally trade him for a young point guard, or perhaps do something like trading Millsap to Portland for the No. 6 pick and taking Lillard.
    Read Casey's take>>>

    I think Lillard's a chemistry problem in the making, so if he's worth the 6th pick and Utah wants him, let's make the trade.  I like that Millsap can block shots, but I also really loved Favors in college and he has it in him to be a much better player than he's shown thus far.

    It looks to me like Al and Sap are going to command pretty high salaries and I have a feeling Portland would be reluctant to trade the 6th pick for either of them, but I'm not the GM.  I do think we need a shot-blocker to complement L.A. and I've profiled some of the guys I like in a post above.

    Also, with all the talk about PGs, I think if Machado's there in the 2nd round, Portland has to scarf this guy up.  
    Lillard has chemistry issues? That's the first I've heard of that. I guess if he has any personality issues, they will come out when teams do their interviews with him during workouts, but that's a new one to me.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 4:19 PM

    I said chemistry, not attitude.  He's a shoot-first "point guard".  Did fans like Damon Stoudamire?  Will he blend with Matthews?  

    I think Portland needs a guy more like Marshall or Machado, not Lillard.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 05/31/2012 4:22 PM

    and that's why I said it's fine to trade the 6th pick for sap (if Lillard is worth the 6th pick), but personally I'd draft Barnes. Right now I don't think Lillard's stock is high enough for Utah to want the 6th pick, if all that talk is even legit.  
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/31/2012 7:45 PM

    If as Dustin put it we could move someone like Nolan Smith and #6 to move up to #3 then I think we absolutely have to make that deal.

    I wonder if Matthews and #11 would be enough to move up into the top 5 as well.

    Taking Beal and Robinson, or MKG and Beal or MKG and Robinson would be incredible. MKG and Robinson would be best case scenario.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/01/2012 10:56 AM

    A scenario that not many are talking about is trading up in the draft. Chad Ford mentioned today that the Bobcats will be looking to move down after not getting the chance to draft Anthony Davis, and let's face it, they need more then one lottery player to add to that roster. Here's what Ford had to say:
     Another option might be for the Bobcats to go ahead and trade the pick in an effort to get more assets. The No. 2 pick, whoever it is, isn't going to turn around the franchise next season. What the Bobcats need is depth.

    Two teams to look at are Cleveland and Portland. Both would love to get up to the No. 2 pick. The Cavs would love to get their hands on Kidd-Gilchrist or Beal. The Blazers are also high on Beal.

    The Blazers have the sixth and 11th picks. That's a steep price to pay to move up four spots in the draft, but if they're convinced they don't love a player at No. 6, it might be worth it to them.
    Read Casey's take>>>

    6 & 11 to me is a STEEP price for the #2 pick considering after Davis, there's about 4-5 other prospects all considered to be on the same tier. So, as much as I like Beal, I don't think I'd pay that price for the chance to draft him when we could just pick Lillard/Drummond at 6 and then take Lamb/Rivers at 11.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 06/01/2012 11:37 AM

    Moving up to take MKG would give us either great depth at SF or a cheap replacement for Batum and even more cap room.
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  1. Simpson
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    Posted 06/01/2012 2:05 PM

    I LOVE that Bobcats might have this mentality :)  Trade/give what it takes (within reason ;), get Biyombo & their position to draft Robinson, then go after MKG either during the draft or after.  There's no doubt a lot of talent/potential in this draft; there are DEFINITELY going to be players that we pass up/can't draft that will go on to have good/great careers BUT ONLY TWO players in this ENTIRE draft can help us the most AND are the RIGHT fit:  Robinson & MKG (@ cmeese47, "...best case scenario[,]" I'm with/HAVE been w/ u on this 1 man ;)!  If we can't these 2 players (drafted), then DON'T DRAFT (for Portland)!  Trade the picks + players for awesome vets.
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  1. Ricky
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    Posted 06/01/2012 2:22 PM

    Maybe we should trade #6 and#11 for #2 and select MKG.  Don't Washington Wizards have #2.  I think this would  be a strong possibility.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/01/2012 4:17 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 06/01/2012 11:37 AM
    Moving up to take MKG would give us either great depth at SF or a cheap replacement for Batum and even more cap room.
    I think if you move up for MKG then you either need to let Batum walk or make him a full-time shooting guard. MKG is too good to be a backup or to share minutes with anyone. If we did move up to #2, I wonder who we would take. I'm leaning towards MKG because there are so many other SG's we could trade back into the draft and take (Rivers, Lamb, Ross, Jenkins) but Beal is the creme of the crop and I have a feeling he'll end up being better then Eric Gordon.
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  1. Letsgozers
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    Posted 06/01/2012 5:21 PM

    I am 100% with trading the two picks to move up and try to get MKG!
  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/02/2012 4:52 PM

    barnes at 6 and marshall at 11
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  1. mbmurr1
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    Posted 06/02/2012 10:36 PM

    See who is available at #6 Beal most likely, then trade #11 to Houston for #14 and #16 or to Boston for #21 and #22, Look at offers for Matthews, Smith and Batum.
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  1. SisillaRiann
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    Posted 06/03/2012 12:44 AM

    Definitely the Blazers should look at what's available for one or both of those picks, including moving up. Honestly believe that drafting young talent with both picks is the last option, unless the organization is ready and willing to let LA walk in two years. If LA is the centerpiece, it HAS to be sooner rather than later. While there may not be a ton available via trade, there is even LESS elite talent available via FA this year. This team gambled two times, on Oden and on Felton. Both times it came up short. Time to gamble again, imo. Third time's the charm :)
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/03/2012 2:04 AM

    Why give up 6 and 11 to move up to 2 and why do so to get Beal?  seems silly... he's not worth the 2nd pick.

    Why not package 6 and 41 to move up?  Why does it have to be 2 lottery picks?

    Does everyone like MKG that much better than Harrison Barnes?
    MKG's the better defender, stronger.  
    Barnes is a better shooter and should be there at 6, although I actually think Drummond will be the one to slide, not Barnes... I think he could very well go 5 :(  Which means Portland may be forced to match whatever Batum's offered unless (God forbid) Portland things Perry Jones is his replacement.  cough cough choke.

    If we get MKG (or Barnes), it's only because (in my opinion) Portland's not willing to pay the 10 mill or whatever restricted-Batum's going to command.

    Portland won't move up to 2 to get Beal.  MKG and Robinson should both go 2 and 3, and getting Beal means what, Matthews is going to be traded or he assumes Crawford's 6th man role?  Naw.  Team NEED is Center, Point Guard, or replacements for Batum and/or Hickson if they're not to be retained.  If we keep hickson, I think it means we don't need to target bangers like Jones or Robinson.  If we aren't keeping Batum, there's a big need for MKG or Barnes.

    But equally, it seems fans want a new starting PG and we could get Marshall at 11, or we could get a shot blocker like Henson and draft maybe Machado or someone in the 2nd round or sign Dragic.

    Bottom line is, there's many options.  I think MKG is worth moving up for, but I don't think both picks need to be packaged to do so.  Maybe give up #6 and #41.

    I guess we'll see what Paul Allen and company have in store for the fans, but if Portland moves up, I think it means big changes.  I really think Portland is sending a message that they're not matching Batum offers if MKG or Barnes are drafted... 

    i'm excited, anxious, and scared at the same time.  We're going to see some new faces in the starting lineup.  
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 06/03/2012 6:43 AM

    If we move up from #6 there are 2 scenario's ( I just dont see us getting Drummond) either we are going to trade Matthews and get Beal or we are going after MKG/Barnes and dropping Batum. Considering that Matthews was representing the team at the Lottery I dont think the former will happen. Drummond just smells like a Larue Martin/Sam Bowie/Greg Oden scenario to me and I would like to stay away from it. I would stay away from Sullinger and Jones3. I dont watch much college, and I probably should, But I watched both of these guys get handled by a guy that some people say might not get drafted, Yancy Gates. This was during the championnships in March so take that with a grain. I like the scenario of trading the 11 pick to Boston for their 2 picks and getting a Center BPA and someone to Back up 4 and 5 and use the FA for Hibbert and Dragic.
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  1. boomtown
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    Posted 06/03/2012 3:09 PM

    i like the way you think barnettfan.  

    I'm not a real big fan of Cincinati, but I do follow NCAA hoops pretty closely.  I own marchmayhem.org and the only time I update is during the tournament and it's mostly for friends who follow the tourney.  Anyway, Cincy was my sleeper and I was pulling for them.  I do like Gates and I wouldn't be surprised if he's taken in the 2nd round.  And if you know anything about him, well, he's actually defined by the fight with Xavier when he cold cocked Frease and laid him out.  Gates was labeled the bad guy, but he really isn't.  He's a very nice guy who very much regrets that incident, but it was a heat of the moment thing.  

    Anyway, he does have NBA size, but he's overweight, can't jump, blah blah blah.  If he made an NBA team, he's one of those character guys fans would pull for and I'm sure he'd be extra motivated to get himself in shape.

    JonesIII is lazy and he's a guy I worry about after getting paid.  Drummond's a project and fans will just hate his free throw shooting.  People say this is a deep and talented draft, but I seem problems all over the place.  Barnes was highly touted after high school and while he didn't dominate as fans expected at UNC, he showed he has the tools, good stroke.  MKG is that in your face defender who would I compare him to, maybe Artest?  Strong guy, not sure he has the chip on his shoulder Artest does though.  Sullinger is sound, I like him, but we have a guy just like him in Aldridge.  So in my opinion, I think Portland might be best served by getting a shot-blocking presence in the paint.

    I really do like John Henson.  Even though he's only 6-10, the guy has a wingspan taller than him and he's more effective altering and blocking shots than his counterpart Zeller, but Zeller is the more sound player.  I prefer Henson for his upside.  I'd say he's got the skill of a camby type of guy, but not as tall and Henson's not going to be pushing people around unless he hits the gym... only 210 lbs and that's why people like drummond, he's like 270, but he's also not a fat guy, he's strong and pretty mobile... and that's probably why Drummond's stock is higher... size.  But again, not a good free throw shooter.  Henson's at about 50 where Drummond's more like 30.  lol.

    anyway, I agree with pretty much everything you say.

    and taking it a bit further, I think rather than taking Drummond, Portland should trade up or down, and with a shot-blocker, maybe target a more experienced player like Kyle O'Quinn.  How do I describe him, not as mobile in the paint as a guy like Drummond, but at 240 pounds, he's got an NBA build and he can push guys around, unlike Henson.  O'Quinn can block shots, and he was a double-double guy at Norfolk State.  People criticize him for the smaller school crap, but why doesn't anyone criticize Lillard or others for the same reason?  I think because people go with what they hear from others as opposed to what they know, or what they've seen.  O'Quinn has arguably his worst game of the year in a blowout to Florida, but he also only played 24 minutes b/c it was such a joke.  Against Missouri he had 26 points, 14 boards, 5 of them offensive, plus a couple blocks.  He's worth a 2nd round pick and I think he's a guy who will earn minutes off the bench, possibly even surprise people because he'll complement L.A. He's a risk, sure, but who of the afore-mentioned isn't?  

    With O'Quinn you get a 4-year player whose numbers increased almost every year, he shoots over 50% from the floor, shoots better from the line than Drummond and Henson, he blocks shots as well as them, he's got good size, and in my opinion he's one of those guys who is closer to WYSIWYG, not much downside yet not a high ceiling either.  Just a good pick.

    anyway.

     
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  1. TJ31
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    Posted 06/03/2012 9:23 PM

    The only players I like at 11 are guys that we could get 4 to 5 picks later.  I like trade our 11th, 40th, and nolan smith for houston's 14 and 16, which would be a great move for us as we could probably draft Marshall and if not trade that pick for a pg.  I have a really good feeling about Arnett Moultrie as he sound like a Lamarcus type of player that will be able to score better down low and can shoot the 3, which would be the perfect compliment to him.  I like the idea of trading Matthews and our 6th pick up to 2nd or 3rd so we can draft MKG, or Beal.  If we draft either of those two they should start right away and then we would be better off trading Wes than to bring him off the bench.  If we could get a starting lineup of PG-Marshall(20yr) SG-Beal(18yr), SF-Batum(23yr), PF-Aldridge(26yr), C-Moultrie(21yr), than thats something that we could build on for the future.



    -So basically I only like trading picks if we get picks in return



    Another option could be trading our 6th pick for Kyle Lowry, and the 14th and 16th picks, depending on whos picked.
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  1. wayne.lamb
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    Posted 06/04/2012 1:30 PM

    PJ3 will be ROY at small forward. You can draft him at 7 or 8. Maybe we can make a deal where we trade our 11 and Batum. The team we trade with takes PJ3. We sign trade Batum and our 11 section goes to team 7x or 8x. We take Drummond at 6 and PJ3 at 7 or 8. Bring in Nash. Starting 5: Nash, Mathews, PJ3, Aldridge, Drummond. Hickson 6th man off of the bench and Bring in McGrady to back up the SG, PG. Go for Hibbert in FA, and if it doesn't work it's nothing lost. We will have plenty of money for next year FA. Don't let the money burn a hole. We're not getting a championship next year. Maybe a deep playoff run if Drummond can be a defensive game changer
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  1. jwood
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    Posted 06/04/2012 2:56 PM

    why are people panicking aboug getting rid of lottery picks for veterans out of concern of LA's age.  LA has at least 5 more years of prime play left in him plus 4 years of non prime years.  1st, that is plenty of time to supplement the core of this team (LA alone) with players from this year's draft.  they hit their prime in 3 years, that leaves 2 to win a title.  besides, the team does not revolve around LA. bottom line,  we are not going to win a title with LA being are lone star.  i would argue we even need a player one teir above LA, like a 1st or 2nd team all NBAer.  we have no prayer of signing one through FA and we have no assets to trade for a superstar so it only makes sense, considering the deepness of the draft and having 2 lottery picks, to do our homework and make the right picks.  Barnes and Beal both have realistic shots at being superstars. we need to take one.  we then need to take a young smart skilled PG (Kendall Marshall).  honestly i get nauseated when i hear all the talk, especially from experts like Dwight Jaynes and Chris Haynes, to trade for veterans, and i hear Kidd, Nash, etc.  this plan will get us nowhere near a title.  We need to forget that strategy unless we are happy with another 1st round elimination from the playoffs.  This is a small market team.  Our only hope, just like OKC, Sac, Milwaukee, etc. is through the draft.  plus,  there's something to be said for a team grown organically through the draft versus renting out a bunch of disgruntled old stars and hoping for good chemistry.
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