Ranking The Draft's Shooting Guards
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 04/19/2012 4:16 PM



    Beal Leads Solid-Yet-All-Too-Familiar Shooting Guard Crop - David Aldridge | NBA.com

    The good news: If you're looking for a shooting guard in the Draft, there are a lot of good ones.

    The bad news: You may pick one much higher than he deserves because so many of this year's prospects are so similar.

    After Florida freshman Bradley Beal, generally considered the top prospect and a high lottery pick, there are a half-dozen good guards who will almost certainly be in some team's rotation. There is, however, not much separating them in the eyes of many NBA personnel types. Interviews and workouts before June will be critical, but even then it may take years to sort out who's better.

    What The Scouts Are Saying About Bradley Beal

    Beal, who finished second on the Gators in scoring last season, is the choice of just about every pro scout and evaluator I've spoken with, and there isn't one of them who believes he won't be taken in the top five or higher in June's Draft.

    "I'm not comparing him to Ray (Allen), but he's the best I've seen since Ray in terms of being able to catch and shoot," said an official from a Southeast Division team -- who, indeed, just compared the 6-foot-3 Beal to Allen, the NBA's all-time leader in 3-pointers. 

    If Beal is that good a shooter, he'll strenghten any team's roster. He'd be a great fit playing next to John Wall in Washington, or Kemba Walker in Charlotte, or Kyrie Irving in Cleveland. He would be a solid first piece of a rebuilding effort in Portland -- which has the Nets' first-round pick after the Gerald Wallace trade, a top-three protected choice for New Jersey -- or in New Orleans.

    "He has a chance to be really good," said a Central Division personnel man. "Super high-character guy, too. He can do a lot more than he's shown. Works his tail off. Just all of the things you want. He's like the flavor of the month."

    Said a Northwest Division scout: "He's not tall, but he's big and thick and strong. He has a lot of poise to him. I think he has upside. He didn't have an elite shooting year, but it'll get better. His stroke is good. It's just a matter of taking more shots and making them." 



    What The Scouts Are Saying About Austin Rivers

    Austin Rivers made an impression in his one season at Durham. The son of Celtics coach Doc Rivers made some big shots -- including the game-winner in a stunning Blue Devils comeback in Chapel Hill to beat North Carolina in February. And he is expected to go high in the first round after declaring for the Draft. While he can handle the ball some, most scouts don't think he's going to be a one in the NBA -- though he could handle the ball and initiate offense some.

    Scouts expects Rivers to be able to get to the basket and to the foul line in the pros, no matter what position he plays.

    "I have him as a guard," said a Southwest Division executive. "The role is a starter/scorer, come off the bench and score. It's a nice way of saying he's not a one. But the way the rules are, with the lane opening up a little bit more, his game is more conducive to our rules. His mindset is not really to organize a group, think for the team, (but to) break a team down and get to the rim." 

    Said a Northwest scout: "Right now, I think he's a two. He's a talented kid. He's a head scratcher. He sees the floor. But does he really make his teammates better? I don't know that yet. And he's so young, and now you have to make a judgment, which all of us are going to have to do. When you watch him play, he's looking to score, but you can't teach too many guys to see like he can. It's not a picture-perfect shot, but it goes in there. He's got talent. But we've got to figure out what he is."

    Rivers led the Blue Devils in scoring (15.5 per game), and because he was the only Duke player who could consistently break down defenses, he probably shot more than he had to. He struggled to find his shot early in the season, but became more assertive as the season wore on.

    "Mike (Krzyzewski) utilized him right for where he was, but he's got some growing to do as a scorer and facilitator," said a longtime coach with ACC ties. 



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    While Beal stands alone as the scout's choice as the top shooting guard, there is still value in the late lottery and late first-round with talents such as UCONN's Jeremy Lamb and Washington's Terrence Ross. While the Trail Blazers have a budding star at the shooting guard position in Elliot Williams, there's no question that both backcourt spots could see an overall upgrade. Which 2 guard would fit in best with what the Trail Blazers like to do? How would you rank this year's shooting guard crop?



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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/19/2012 7:28 PM

    The Lamb boys both seem underrated on that draft board. At 6'3 Beal will struggle against bigger 2 guards in the league. D. Wade is an inch taller and a lot more athletic yet his individual defense numbers are hurt because the bigger guards can easily shoot over the top of him. Beal is no where near as athletic as Wade so this is a major concern. Jeremy Lamb on the other hand is 6'5 with a 7'1 wing span which should help him be active in passing lanes and allow him to better contest jumpers. It will also be a benefit for him offensively allowing him to get his shot off at will. However, the biggest difference between the two is Beal is a great catch and shoot player but Lamb has the ability to create for himself. 

    For my money Jeremy Lamb will be the better pro than Beal.
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  1. freddead
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    Posted 04/19/2012 8:00 PM

    man i really wish E.will wasnt injured i dont think we'd even be talking about shooting guards right now
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  1. postedbailblazers
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    Posted 04/20/2012 10:12 AM

    I feel that this position is one of our needs.  Matthews has proven that he can't play well enough to carry a team or hit in clutch time consistantly.  Elliot is still a prospect at this point. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/20/2012 10:58 AM

    I would love to see us get Shabazz Muhammad next season but he will likely be the top pick in the draft.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 04/23/2012 1:13 PM

    I wouldn't be too worried about Beal's height. Dwyane Wade is around 6-4, Eric Gordon is 6-3. Size doesn't make the player. Beal can score in a plethora of ways. Not only does he have the size to take contact around the basket but he possesses enough quickness to beat his man off the dribble. If he's there with the Nets pick, take him without hesitation. If not, I'd love Lamb, who reminds me a lot of Roy, with our 11th pick. A lot of people like Austin Rivers but I've heard he only looks for his and has some attitude issues.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/23/2012 3:20 PM

    If you draft Beal or Lamb what do you do with Wesley. Also how do they fit into the situation with Elliot Williams. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 04/24/2012 5:17 PM

    The situation with Elliot would work it out. The best player would play. Easy as that. Elliot is by far my favorite player on the team but you can't pass on Lamb or Beal. If Elliot's better, he'll play. If the rooks are better, they'll get the run. If the team does take a shooting guard, I wouldn't be surprised to see Wes moved either on draft day or during the summer. A lottery pick + Elliot should be more then plenty for the team going forward at the 2.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/24/2012 5:55 PM

    I would like to see us offer Wes to move up in the draft to get MKG or trade him straight up for a late first rounder and see us draft Tony Mitchell
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 04/25/2012 12:29 PM

    If we are unable to land Beal or Lamb, which would be a major bummer in my eyes, then I would like to move back into the first round and take UW's Terrence Ross. I believe Elliot is a better player/prospect then Ross, but Ross would be our sharp-shooter off the bench and he's big enough to play the 3 as well.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/25/2012 1:01 PM

    Mitchell is a better defender than Ross and shot 44% from deep this season. He also averaged over 10 rebounds a game something Portland desperately needs. 
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/02/2012 1:15 PM

    During Chad Ford's chat on ESPN.com, he mentions that the Trail Blazers could trade up in order to get Bradley Beal.
     I think most GMs see a clear break after the No. 5. I could see a team like Portland perhaps trying to package 6 and 11 to get up higher. I think Brad Beal would make a lot of sense for them. 
    Outside of Davis, Beal is probably my #1 target this would make me very happy. Although, packaging 6 & 11 may be too steep. Either way, Beal would immediately bolster our backcourt.
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  1. postedbailblazers
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    Posted 05/02/2012 7:33 PM

    I Looooooove Beal's game.  He seems to have "IT".  Maybe a 6 pick and Flynn or something. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/03/2012 11:19 AM

    Here are the top players in the draft arguably Anthony Davis clear #1, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist ranked between #2-4, Thomas Robinson ranked between #2-3, Andre Drummond ranked between #4-6, Harrison Barnes ranked between #4-6, Bradley Beal ranked between #3-8. That means Portland will get one of those 6 players if we keep the #6 pick. Therefore there is no reason to trade up in the draft unless we are trying to get Kidd-Gilchrist or Davis.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 05/05/2012 12:51 AM

    We had some real bad shooting nights this year. If we draft a guard, we gotta find one that has length and can break people down and shoot above defenders. Not just a guy that can hit running off screens. Basically a Jamal Crawford but a little bigger. BIG GUARD PORTLAND! We had one a while ago, and he was a good'n. ( #7 )
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  1. riverman
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    Posted 05/05/2012 10:54 AM

    I think our best shooting guard is already a Blazer. Elliot Williams. He's also almost like a rookie having been out most of his first 2 seasons
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/10/2012 4:03 PM

    I agree we need to give E Will some burn find out if he is going to be a star or not.
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  1. ClydeFrog
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    Posted 05/11/2012 10:09 AM

    I agree, we are pretty set with Elliot at the 2, so unless Bradley Beal or Jeremy Lamb is on the board, we may want to look at another position with our first-round picks.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/13/2012 6:26 PM

    If we are going to make a move here I would consider going after someone like Evan Turner via trade.
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  1. Reggie Lucenara
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    Posted 05/25/2012 3:01 AM

    Sign Goran Dragic for our pg. Draft a good sg. because we dont have a good small guard that can create a shot for himself. This is the time because we have upportunity to draft beal or lamb but I prefer jeremy lamb because hes 6-5 and can create shot for himself. Sign Ersan Ilyasova for our sf because hes unrestricted free agent and hes stock is rising. Sign Chris Kaman for our center. On the 11th pick. get Tyler zeller which can either play backup pf or center, because we need big inside that can rebound and defend.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/29/2012 11:29 AM

    Zeller is not a great rebounder or defender though John Henson would better fill that need than Zeller
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  1. Chazzle94
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    Posted 05/29/2012 10:31 PM

    just throwing it out there, but what do you guys think of Meyers Leonard with pick 11, instead of Zeller?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/30/2012 11:14 AM

    Used to be in favor but after watching film and workout he seems like a #20 pick to me
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/31/2012 4:53 PM

    If Beal doesn't drop to us at #6, Austin Rivers and Jeremy Lamb would be fantastic options to pick up to help bolster our backcourt. Rivers, right now, is just a scorer. But he has that swagger you want in a wing. He wants to take the clutch shot and I think if you're willing to wait for the other parts of his game to come around, he'll be a steal at #11. Lamb is a top 5-6 talent but saw his stock fall to the end of the lottery because UConn struggled and he wasn't able to carry that team post-Kemba Walker. But there were other factors in UConn falling short of expectations this year and Lamb can create offense for himself, which is priority #1 when looking at a wing.
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