Sell Me On J.J. Hickson As A Trail Blazer Next Year
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 04/10/2012 3:34 PM



    Since being claimed off of waivers, J.J. Hickson has been the toast of the town. It seems like Hickson has won over any and every Trail Blazers fan with his hustle, heart, and highlight-reel slams. But, the third-year power forward out of North Carolina State is a free agent this summer and Portland is going to have to make a difficult decision.

    Personally, I like Hickson, but I'm just not entirely sold on him...yet. To me, it's all about the money. What is he going to demand on the open market? During the final Tweet-Up, assistant General Manager, Bill Branch, stated that since J.J. was claimed off of waivers, we do not own his Bird Rights, therefore, we can not match any offers he gets. So, if he signs elsewhere, that's the end of the Hickson-Era in Rip City. Another question to ask is, "Can Hickson play with LaMarcus Aldridge for extended periods of time?" We all know LA doesn't particularly like playing center and at 6'9", Hickson would have to play the 4 when he's on the floor with Aldridge. So, are you paying him to start or come off the bench? Determining the answer to that question could make all the difference in the world when negotiating his contract.

    Although he plays the same position as our franchise-player, J.J. has shown a relentlessness on the boards Portland hasn't seen since Brian Grant. Not only do his teammates feed off of his energy and hustle but the crowd does as well. But he's not just a hustle player. Hickson's been showing a soft-touch around the basket and even an ability to take his man off the dribble. And we all know he has no issues finishing around the basket. At age 23, J.J. could still there still have more room to grow as a player.

    What scares me about giving Hickson a large contract is the fact he's playing for a contract. I was burnt once before with a one-year wonder (Darius Miles) and I haven't quickly forgot. Add to the fact the Kings couldn't trade him at the deadline and just cut him makes me wonder. He's playing well now, but how will he perform with the security of a nice, long contract under his belt?

    So, with that all said, sell me on the Trail Blazers signing J.J. Hickson in the offseason, Rip City. How much is he worth? how long should the deal be for?

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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/10/2012 3:57 PM

    I would love to see Portland keep Hickson he is a great energy guy something Portland does not have many of. He is also someone who can draw fouls and score in the post also things Portland really lacks.  I am scared that he maybe playing for a new contract but if we could somehow work him in as a starter you are looking at 15-9, which from the center position would make him worth 10+ million a season based on the recent contracts of Deandre Jordan, Marc Gasol and Nene.

    If I am Portland you need to either pay the man based on what he has done or move on.  I would love to see JJ sign his qualifying offer and come back for a full season as a Blazer with the promise of a big pay day next season, but someone wont wait that long. 
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  1. Choong Huh
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    Posted 04/10/2012 11:55 PM

    I think he'll be worth about 6M? I'm completely sold that he is a starting caliber PF, which is also why I don't want Portland to re-sign him. We're gonna be too busy getting a PG and a center. The budget is already too tight to fill those positions after likely signing Batum to a contract as well. No money to play with a PF. I would like them to keep Craig Smith for another season, or draft a sturdy PF in the second round instead.
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    Posted 04/10/2012 11:56 PM

    Kevin Jones from UWV!!
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 04/11/2012 5:20 AM

    Well the draft is coming up and we have time to see what our pick(s) will be in the lottery. As it stands right now I do not think we give him starter money. I like his chops and yes I think he can step up and take LA's place for a game or 2 but can he keep it up in a regular season? 3 mill. for 2 seasons so 6 total.
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  1. BDawg
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    Posted 04/11/2012 6:04 AM

    Hickson > Batum
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 04/11/2012 7:19 AM

    Posted By BDawg on 04/11/2012 6:04 AM
    Hickson > Batum

    interesting stance, and i understand why you say it


    if he's just playing for a contract then we could say the same thing about batum. the difference is if JJ is on the floor you know it the whole time, he has no problem skying in for a board or a dunk. batum, though making steps to be more aggressive, at times can also disappear for 14minutes to the point you forget he's on the floor.

    i think the team needs some tweaking, if batum is a for sure thing, id prefer him starting at the 2, he plays more aggresive against smaller guards. that means matthews is either a bench player or he's gone. i think matthews and babbit would be a good 2-3 team off the bench, 1 can shoot 1 can defend really well. which means we have a hole to fill at starting 3
  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 04/11/2012 7:22 AM

    the good thing about JJ on the floor with Aldridge is you get more points in the paint, defenses have to respect that either one can take their guy 1 on 1, problem is defense goes down and you loose some rebounding. If JJ really concentrates on rebounding it certainly helps but at 6'9" he has a natural disadvantage against all the 7footers out there.
  1. kenny c.
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    Posted 04/11/2012 8:48 AM

    Pro's - Age 23, rebounds on both ends, goes to the basket and can score, can come off the bench for L.A. and probably not lose much offensive production, or they can play together dependent on the opponent, Has shown fight on a team that isn't playoff bound, never takes a play off, he is NBA proven over having "NBA potential" in a couple years,  and probably we can get him for a good priced contract.

    Con's - not that good of a shooter, free throw struggles, and might have hidden back problems, hence the release from Sac. Maybe since Sac. has Greene, Thompson, and D. Cousins who can all play in the post was the reason they saw no need for him, maybe that and the back.

    All in all I would sign him for a upper modest 3 yr.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/11/2012 10:55 AM



    i think the team needs some tweaking, if batum is a for sure thing, id prefer him starting at the 2, he plays more aggresive against smaller guards. that means matthews is either a bench player or he's gone. i think matthews and babbit would be a good 2-3 team off the bench, 1 can shoot 1 can defend really well. which means we have a hole to fill at starting 3

    Actually Nico's PER is like 4 points lower when he plays SG. 
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  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 04/11/2012 12:41 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 04/11/2012 10:55 AM


    i think the team needs some tweaking, if batum is a for sure thing, id prefer him starting at the 2, he plays more aggresive against smaller guards. that means matthews is either a bench player or he's gone. i think matthews and babbit would be a good 2-3 team off the bench, 1 can shoot 1 can defend really well. which means we have a hole to fill at starting 3

    Actually Nico's PER is like 4 points lower when he plays SG. 

    probably because his post up moves are terrible, but at least he's aggresive. maybe perfect the post up moves over the summer. i dont see any posting up at the 3 or driving into the lane, all i see is standing in corner for 3's and limited rebounding.
  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/11/2012 1:42 PM

    I know the kid is just 23 but for the amount he is going to make I want to see more than 14 ppg on 45% shooting we could get close to that from Alonzo Gee for 5 million less per season.
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 04/11/2012 5:29 PM

    If you had to choose between batum or hickson, i could make cases for both sides of the arguement

    If we can sign a top notch pg who demands money (Williams) there is not really a top notch center that is really worth 8-10 mil (hibbert, mcgee, kayman, lopez) will all want 10-14ish in my opinion and will just be out of range, lower tier c's (other lopez) will still want 6 and not help us get over the hump, jj hickson brings energy to every game and every championship team  has that energy guy ( Lakers had artest/ariza both brought energy during the LA run and kobe brings energy, SA has parker/ginobli, detroit had prince, boston had big baby off the bench and rondo is an energy guy) jj hickson has the chance to become a solid center (in a height to talent deprived league recently outside of howard and bynum) and get those extra posetions for a team, even if he is only 14 and 7 or whatever, his energy makes up for it, and if batum gets 8 mil contract, i assume hickson will get about 6, we can sign that one extra player that u can't if u sign batum, JJ is always consistent on energy he brings to the court

    batum on the other hand, no matter how much u hate him, plays consistant for us, thing is he has not had enough touches, he makes the right play, makes decent percentage of his shots, and is slowly learning how to rebound, he still has potential to become more agressive and put on muscle, adding an all star pg like williams, you will only see batum's numbers go up, and hickson wont go up as much because hickson cleans up plays more than he makes them, batum is also the best sf on the market (others are cj miles who i also like,  gerald is an injury risk, jeff green, sam young, but u can argue nocioni, i still perfer batum over nocioni because of his D) batum will become the number 3 option and i think he will be more comfortable in his roll
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  1. jamsmashers
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    Posted 04/11/2012 5:33 PM

    my mind tells me that we are gonna sign and trade some players, crawford will come back, he can not get his money anywhere else and i believe his is a player exception to opt out, also see hickson a piece of the trade with crawford, not sure how big of a move it will be, but if crawford and hickson are involved, expect us to throw some more players in the trade and get a good vet out of it
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 04/11/2012 6:54 PM

    Posted By cmeese47 on 04/10/2012 3:57 PM

    If I am Portland you need to either pay the man based on what he has done or move on.  I would love to see JJ sign his qualifying offer and come back for a full season as a Blazer with the promise of a big pay day next season, but someone wont wait that long. 
    Thee will be no qualifying offer on Hickson. He's unrestricted so we either have to commit for multiple years or let him sign elsewhere.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 04/11/2012 11:35 PM

    The guy is single handedly beating teams. I'd say you keep him on the roster.
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  1. wasdstomp
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    Posted 04/12/2012 5:58 AM

    I like JJ over Batum myself.  I say let Batum go.  The only problem is the free throw shooting.  What is the point of drawing fouls if you make Deandre Jordan look like a great free throw shooter?  If JJ can commit to working on improving his free throws than it is a slam dunk, otherwise he will be just like Dwight Howard where at the end of games you can't take the chance of hack a shaq.  

    It was a few games ago that JJ missed two critical free throws at the end of the game that ended up costing us the game.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/12/2012 11:03 AM

    Posted By wasdstomp on 04/12/2012 5:58 AM
    I like JJ over Batum myself.  I say let Batum go.  The only problem is the free throw shooting.  What is the point of drawing fouls if you make Deandre Jordan look like a great free throw shooter?  If JJ can commit to working on improving his free throws than it is a slam dunk, otherwise he will be just like Dwight Howard where at the end of games you can't take the chance of hack a shaq.  

    It was a few games ago that JJ missed two critical free throws at the end of the game that ended up costing us the game.

    Um Hickson career 67% FT shooter shooting 63% this season 
    Deandre Jordan shooting 54% but a career 44% free throw shooter not exactly in the same ball park. 
    Hickson is actually closer to the league average than he is to Jordan overall so I would not worry as much about that. 

    Also by drawing fouls you get better players out of the game and give your better shooter more attempts as teams are more likely to be in the penalty. Thanks for trying though
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 04/13/2012 5:19 AM

    Foul shooting can be improved. Karl Malone shot like 60% his first 2 years. Between Stockton and Sloan and the will to get better I think he ended his career at 80% from the charity stripe. JJ has the ability to get to the line and he is 23 this is something LA has not learned......are we seeing something here?
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/13/2012 12:55 PM

    Can't teach aggressiveness JJ has plenty of that
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 04/13/2012 1:34 PM

    There's no question J.J. flourishes as a starter. But can he and LaMarcus co-exist as the starting posts for an entire season? I really like JJ's game, but don't want to pay him starter's money to backup our All-Star.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/13/2012 2:14 PM

    If JJ can teach Lamarcus to be aggressive then it would be worth even 10 million a season to resign him for whatever role. 
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 04/16/2012 9:32 PM

    Let me speak to the actual question, rather than bringing Batum into the mix.

    JJ was a great addition this season, akin to Gerald Wallace last season (at a slightly lower level). We can also expect a drop in production from Hickson. The other thing is that, in interviews, I ignored the words JJ said and listened to the subtext. He will opt out at the end of the year and sign with another team, and we have no control over that. The amount of money required to keep him here isn't worth it. Hickson deserves to be a starter, produces better when he's a starter, and wants to be paid and treated like a starter. We can't start him without playing LA out of position, which nobody wants to see. I've loved what Hickson has done, but I'm all right with it being nothing more than a killer tryout for the rest of the NBA.

    With him gone, we also don't keep Craig Smith. He isn't the answer at backup PF. I think one of our first-round picks is a perfect way to find a solid backup PF and young backup quality C or a starting C. In FA, sign Dragic, sign Nic and either keep or trade him, and sign a starting Center like Brook Lopez or Hibbert if possible. If you got a starting quality Center in the draft (unlikely), sign a role Center like Joel or Omer Asik. In the event that Jamal opts out AND Elliot isn't 100%, sign Nick Young or DeShawn Stevenson.

    By next season, you have a roster like this:

    Lopez or drafted C
    Przybilla, Asik, or drafted C
    Aldridge
    *drafted PF*
    Batum or other
    Babbitt
    Matthews
    E. Williams
    Young, Stevenson, or Crawford
    Dragic
    N. Smith

    And if that doesn't look good, make more moves via trading, signing or moving up in the draft.
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 04/17/2012 11:08 AM

    If JJ will sign a back loaded contract I would be in favor so we can pencil him in for 4 million next season then 6 then 8 and have a team option for the 4th year. If he wants 7 million you can't do it unless you plan on giving him 25-30 minutes a night. 
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  1. cmeese47
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    Posted 05/02/2012 11:13 AM

    If JJ would have played 30 games for us he would have lead the team in double doubles is that good enough for you?
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  1. uprised
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    Posted 05/08/2012 10:31 AM

    Take it from LA

    “He’s so active,” Aldridge said. “I’ve always wanted to play with somebody that was like a Lou Amundson or a Reggie Evans; somebody that’s active, that’s always keeping guys on their toes. And I think he’s been big late in games, when teams have been keying on me. He’s been getting easy buckets and he’s been coming through for us.” 

    JJ is a no brainer if he can be had at the right price.  He has everything a young player needs and he's clearly hungry.  I'm not going to indulge in comparing him to Batum because I'm not sure it's relevant but I'd say we clearly need more of what JJ's got on this team.
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