Terrence Williams
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  1. quezadaz
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    Posted 06/18/2009 2:55 AM

    I have heard alot of talk about trying to get a defensive PG this off-season but why not trade up a few slots to draft Terrence Williams. He didnt play PG in college but he has been working out with Gary Payton and has said that he would like to play PG at the next level. He is only 6'5 so its possible for him to help us at that position. He was a great rebounder in college and would be good against other PG's in this league. He is athletic and would bring the defensive intensity and toughness to our team that we need. He isnt a great 3pt shooter but has been working hard and has improved greatly. It would be nice to have somebody like Williams on our team because he is also capable of playing SG or SF in the NBA also. He wouldnt have to be taking all of Bayless's minutes off the bench. I believe that he would be an upgrade over Blake and Bayless but would still like to keep Blake and Bayless on the team for at least another year before getting rid of one or both of them. Another great note to this topic is that he if from Seattle and is friends with Brandon Roy. He loves to work and would be another gym rat like Martell and Jerryd. I do believe its possible to get him and we all know KP wont just sit there and let great talent get away.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/18/2009 8:36 AM

    With Portland's whole problem being the inexperience at the PG position (outside of Blake) the last thing you need is another "PG" that hasn't played PG before. One summer working with The Glove is not going to make an NBA caliber PG out of anyone. Portland has no place for another combo-guard, it just doesn't work with what they have in place. We all have our favorite college players and would love to make arguments for bringing them to our favorite team, but lets be realistic. This draft has VERY few playes that could come in and make any impact on a team this season. Even your high lottery picks are being taken based off potential and not product. This tells me that getting a player like that isn't worth it for the Blazers. What Portland needs is either to trade for a proven NBA player to fill a void, or move up just enough on draft day to get a guy they know will bring some grit like Hansbrough (just an example, I do not necessarily believe he is the answer). Bayless has had a whole year being mentored by NBA coaches and a decent NBA PG in Blake. There is no way that one summer with GP will make Terrence Williams a better PG than Bayless. The more I talk about this the more I believe that the back up 4 position is the concern for this team. With Martel coming back I think the starting PG will have a much easier job this coming season and a guy like Steve Blake will be sufficient enough to carry us through the regular season and probably through the first round. I would hope that by then Bayless will have proven his ability and grown into his position. If not then maybe you see a move made at Mid season. A lot of teams will like the Blake contract expiring at the end of the season so they can make a play for Wade, LeBron, and Bosh. If a team has the potential to land Wade or LeBron, they will be more likely to give up a great PG. I think the PG position can wait til midseason to be addressed but the back up 4 is the crucial point for Blazers this offseason.
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  1. quezadaz
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    Posted 06/18/2009 6:15 PM

    I disagree. Terrence Williams wants to be a PG and played under a very good coach in Rick Pitino. Williams is older and more experienced than Bayless and has the tools to be more successful than Bayless. We arent going to get a backup 4 in this years draft. Blair had 2 knee surgeries and is very short. Hansbrough will not fall to 24 and is not good enough to trade up for. T-Will is the best defender in the draft and would make our team alot better defensivley. Ya Blake can start the season and take us into the playoffs. I have no problem with that. But to think Bayless is our future PG is completely stupid because he hasnt shown at all that he is capable of running a team. At least with Williams we have seen more of what he can do. He is a great passer and is amazing on the boards. He is the definition of a playmaker if its not creating his own shot he can create for others. Bayless will be a great backup PG and would play better in the backcourt with Rudy. Williams I think is a better fit to play alongside Roy because in the 4th quarter if Roy wants to run the team Williams can guard either the 1 or 2 so we wouldnt need to worry if Blake gets stuck with a bigger SG on a switch. I dont think we should wait untill mid season to make a huge deal and get a starting PG. That makes no sense. We should just go out before training camp and get somebody who will be the starting PG when we let Blake go. As far as Williams training with GP that wont stop. Williams is from Seattle and thats where Payton resides so their training together will continue and nothing would help somebody like Williams more than working out with one of the greatest defesive PG's of all time.
  1. quezadaz
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    Posted 06/18/2009 6:19 PM

    And as for the backup 4. I think we could adress that through the draft and choose Josh Heytvelt. He is a big a big PF and would be nice to see play alongside Przybilla. Great rebounder and inside scorer but also brings alonga nice jump shot. He gives us alot of toughness playing next to Przybilla and could be a really nice backup 4. We dont need a huge name player to play behind LMA because its likely that Outlaw if he isnt traded will play some mins at the 4 anyway. So why trade for or sign a veteran to only play about 10 mins per game anyway.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/18/2009 8:47 PM

    It's pretty much a guarantee that a trade for any NBA forward would include Outlaw. It wouldn't make sense for either team if it didn't so that player would have more than 10 minutes. I actually think an experienced back up 4 is really the direction this team needs to go. Not an old guy, but someone who has played atleast two seasons in the league and has been pretty decent in their own right.
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/19/2009 12:03 PM

    I completely disagree with quezadaz. PG is not the way to go with the draft. We might be able to pick up a PG, but the draft WILL NOT solve our PG problems, at least not in a realistic manner, and not in a way that helps us long-term. Josh Heytvelt will be at the 4 because HES NO GOOD!! He's a scrub who can't play against better competition. Case in point: here are the stat lines from the Gonzaga/UNC game in the March Madness tournament:

    Heytvelt: 29 min, 5-9 FGM-A, 0-1 3PT M-A, 4-8 FTM-A, O RBD, 0 STL, 3 TO, 4 PF, 14 PTS
    Hansbrough: 34 min, 8-10 FGM-A, 0-0 3PT M-A, 89 FTM-A, 10 RBD, 2 STL, 2 TO, 2 PF, 24 PTS

    You say Tyler Hansbrough is not good enough to trade up for? Read these articles:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-090604
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=CombineResults-090602
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Draftchart-090529
    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/06/blazers_take_look_at_tyler_han.html

    The last is from Oregonlive 2 days ago. The reason he was a FOUR YEAR FIRST TEAM ALL AMERICAN is because he is VERY GOOD. He's absolutely bigger and more athletic that people think, and he is an extremely hard worker. He would be a very good, and cheap, backup to LA at the 4, without having to give up much at all. If we have to trade Outlaw to get him, all the better. He plays no D and has a horrible basketball IQ.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/19/2009 11:06 PM

    When it comes to the PG topic I think that Bayless has shown some good things. But I would actually be willing to trade him before Blake this year. I agree that he doesn't have the leadership yet that he will need to be a great PG, and do we wait? Is he going to end up being that guy? Or is he going to be a Gerald Green or Sebastian Telfair? It is hard to say. With that said, I still don't think that you find that guy in this draft. With the inexperience of competition at NCAA level where most players are only staying for one or two years, your four year guys look great even if they are only average players. I am going to say the Blazers should not look to grow in the draft this year. I think they should go for a vet which ever direction they deem necessary, but I think the back up PF is going to make the MOST difference this year outside of Martel coming back.
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  1. dlovetbfan
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    Posted 06/22/2009 12:00 AM

    Terrence williams was a neat talent in college, and most likely he'll make a solid guard in the NBA, but I don't think he's the what the blazers need.  We already have talent and depth at the off guard, which is most likely where williams will end up.  As far as point guards go, its a tough situation right now for the blazers, theres no way the younger star PG's (chris paul, deron williams, etc) are available, at least not w/o too big of a sacrifice making the trade a negative overall impact on the team.  The aging veteran PG's (steve nash, jason kidd, etc) are a bad investment, the vets are great and future hall of famers, but they could blow out a knee or a back at any given time during the regular season, and even completely healthy they have a lot of aspects of their respectable games that are starting to break down with age, we saw what happened to dallas when they mortgaged their future for kidd.  There are three scenarios that make the most sense in my opinion:

    1. Package sergio + frye + cash considerations (highly valuable in todays economy and the blazers have about 6-7mil under the cap to work with) + a draft pick (either a pair of 2nd round picks, or the 1st round pick depending on the talent in return), and trade up in the draft for either stephen curry, jrue holiday, or possibly johnny flynn.  It seems like a lot, but none of these pieces being traded would really be missed in the grand scheme of things.

    Curry would be a great fit next to brandon roy, he wouldn't have to be the primary floor leader and he would be a terrific perimeter gun upgrade over steve blake while b-roy does his magic with the handling. Flynn and Holiday could develop to be terrific nba PG's, but would both need a bit of time.

    2. Hope to find a diamond in the rough with the 24th overall pick or even one of the earlier 2nd round picks by landing Nich Calathes (who most likely wouldn't come around until 2010 because of signing with greece), or even darren collison, whom the blazers have worked out and given high praise to.

    3. Put together a big time package and shoot for either Jose Manuel Calderon or Tony Parker. Both parker and JMC have plenty of youth left to be worthy long term investments with the youthful blazers, and each have the skills to compliment brandon roy in the backcourt while also providing floor leadership. Parker would most likely demand more, but a couple scenarios could look like this:

    Travis Outlaw + multiple draft picks + Jerryd Bayless + Channing Frye to the Spurs for Tony Parker and a reserve veteran big man to back up LaMarcus off the bench.  The spurs gain some much needed youth and valuable assets to possibly make another franchise improving trade, our blazers gain the all-star PG they desire and maintain some depth in the front court after losing outlaw/bayless.

    Sergio + draft picks + Pryzbilla to the Raptors for Jose Manuel Calderon.  The biggest loss is Pryzbilla, this trade can basically only be made assuming the blazers staff is comfortable and confident that oden can start playing 30+ minutes a game, ideally the blazers would have to make a second trade to aquire another veteran backup behind greg.  The raptors might like this trade because they gain some much needed toughness up front with pryzbilla, and a lot of vesatility with sergio and draft picks to obtain another quality PG via the draft or trades.
  1. Hardwoodballer7
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    Posted 06/22/2009 12:50 PM

    Blazers should just get Ricky Rubio and our problems will be solved at the PG postion he will be the fututre. he was measured at 6'5 with shoes!! common KP just go after Ricky!! we get ricky and we sign david lee or brandon bass and were good
  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/23/2009 11:20 AM

    Hardwoodballer you're an idiot. The amount we would have to give up to get Rubio would be stunning. People can talk about him not being drafted by Memphis (Hasheem Thabeet fits better) and the Thunder (Sam Presti doesn't want to screw up his young core so Harden or Curry works better), but the Kings, at the end of the day, will NOT pass on Rubio. It's just not going to happen. It would take too much for us to give up.
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