Lockout Far From Over
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  1. SkaterNater
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    Posted 08/04/2011 5:43 PM

    This lockout business is starting to annoy me.  The players already make an obscene amount of money.  Due to the economy, many people have had to take a pay cut to avoid loss of employment.  I am one of those people.  I have lost 5% of my wages indefinitely. That is more than the players will be losing.  I wonder if there is some kind of deal in the contracts that if they fail to play for a season, due to this kind of situation, that there is an option of termination?  Every other job I know of, if you dont come to work you lose your job.  Even if it is a union.  If you cant reach an agreement with the employer then they will find other people to do the job.  I think these players need to understand more than dollar signs.  Yes they are very talented and few people in the world can do what they do.  But this is a job.  They dont write their checks.  This lockout is going to upset a lot of fans.  While both sides are not changing their offers, the players could come back with a slight compromise to provoke a counter offer from the owners.  This would really put all the fans on their side seeing that they want to get back to playing ball. And give us fans a full season to enjoy.  Any thoughts from anyone else?
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  1. TregoBlazer
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    Posted 08/04/2011 7:48 PM

    I can see your point. But the owners were the ones that okay the massive contracts. usually to steal or keep talent they like. its a business.  players should not have to take cuts from CONTRACTS they already signed. If someones boss at McDonalds or a law firm decided he need to cut his employee's pay over the next 7 years what would happen...if players are to be held to contracts. pay fines for speaking opinions, then should the owners not have to honor the contracts they took a chance on as a business? maybe the millions in fines should stay in the nba instead of ghost charities which neither player nor NBA has told us where they go. (I would guess David Sterns personal charity) lol. $1,665,000 of mark cuban alone! why does the nba not mimic a money pool like the NFL so that the teams all make a closer to an even amount leveling the playing field a little?? If I was a player I would feel the same way. 
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/04/2011 9:06 PM

    its not just as simple as asking one side to take less money....
    The NBA has been operating as a NEGATIVE for the past several seasons. 
    Last year the League, as a whole lost, over 300 million. Only 7 franchises proved to have positive revenue's after the season ended. 
    That means 23 teams, from the concessions to the players and back to the valet, were actually losing money.....

    In my own personal opinion, i think there should be a cap on how much a contract could be per year. Like if a player was offered to play for a team for lets say, 5 years, the most money he should be able to make over that 5 years is like 100 mil, MAX!
    Or just some type of method that is practical in that sense, like 5 year maximum length and 100 mil as a maximum amount of $$$. What hurts teams is when a small market team like the Bucks, trades for a player like Joe Johnson and also pick up his contract, 125/5years, and after that trade, half of the teams entire cash flow is now dedicated to Mr. Joe Johnson, that is what sucks.!!!

    The current split of all total " money" is about 43% goes to the owners, and 57% to the players.
    Even if you evened it out, it doesnt mean anything. It doesn't mean more people will go buy tickets, it doesnt mean anything, the drinks are still going to be high, parking expensive. But you have to understand, they have been working and fully functioning for the past 3 years yet, they still lose money... 
    This sport may have to endure a bit of hurt before it can can go back to being scot free.
    Honestly as fans, the best thing a NBA fan could do for the next couple of seasons, is just NOT COMPLAIN.

    Dont complain how much tickets are, how much more league pass costs, how much parking and hot dogs cost, because the only way or the fastest way for the NBA to get out of this "hole" is to make money like crazy, ridiculous amounts of it.
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  1. civilhold
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    Posted 08/04/2011 11:43 PM

    Has anyone thought about the TV contracts the NBA has?  Cable,  Marketing it's self is most likely in the Billions.  That's why they don't open their BOOKS!  This is like the teachers crying about their wages but not about the money they get in retirement that we pay in for them.  The playoffs by it's self bring in who knows how much?  Why is it everyone hates the player?  Look at the billions.  Ask the NBA to open their books.  People that have no fight in them soon loose the will to survive in this world!  By the way half of what the players make go for taxes!  
  1. civilhold
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    Posted 08/04/2011 11:43 PM

    Has anyone thought about the TV contracts the NBA has?  Cable,  Marketing it's self is most likely in the Billions.  That's why they don't open their BOOKS!  This is like the teachers crying about their wages but not about the money they get in retirement that we pay in for them.  The playoffs by it's self bring in who knows how much?  Why is it everyone hates the player?  Look at the billions.  Ask the NBA to open their books.  People that have no fight in them soon loose the will to survive in this world!  By the way half of what the players make go for taxes!  
  1. BDawg
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    Posted 08/05/2011 8:33 AM

    My bottom line:

    The socioeconomic disparity between NBA players and those they depend on to support them - the fans - has been growing at an alarming rate, and with equally disturbing consistency.  In this down economy, it is absolutely LUDICROUS for NBA players to be asking for even more money.

    Food for thought...  Why is it that in this country  we pay MILLIONS to an individual for a product that has only recreational value while those who provide a NECESSARY product, those in agriculture, live very modestly and are fighting off foreclosure on their farms every day? 

    The game of basketball, in my opinion, has been suffering since the NBA's glory days in the '80s and early '90s.  I believe there to be fault on both sides of this proverbial line, but I find myself aligning with the owners, especially in lieu of the struggling economy and dying dollar, and with no end in sight.
    I am a fan of players that play with PASSION and PRIDE
  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/05/2011 8:27 PM

     Food for thought...  Why is it that in this country  we pay MILLIONS to an individual for a product that has only recreational value while those who provide a NECESSARY product, those in agriculture, live very modestly and are fighting off foreclosure on their farms every day?  
    that just goes to show you what people value these days.

    When you think about a concept like that, it can perhaps make you sick to your stomach but at the same time, it is partially what the u.s. is about, the whole freedom and freedom of choice type stuff.
    Like it may be sad, but it is none the less freedom.

    its totally like bad press, people who write things 100% untrue just to slander rather than just get the story right, its their freedom of choice to choose right or wrong..........
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 08/07/2011 10:32 AM

    @civilhold the tv contracts that the NBA gets only goes to the teams that actually get shown (and the NBA of course) so basically only the large market teams that get seen  are the only ones that get the money. That money even though it is alot is not as much as what the NFL gets.Last year they had massive viewer turnout for the playoffs and the championship game,they could have renegotiated a contract with the Networks but since this lockout happened I doubt it very seriously. The Lakers started this mess and all the teams just followed suit. There has to be a hard salary cap with revenue sharing get rid of the Luxury tax and just make it a stiff penalty of you cant play if you go over this amount otherwise the Lakers (and others) will just buy their way out of it like they have in the past. The Players are going to have to suck up having their pay being rolled back in order for this whole thing to work. These are the biggest issues there is alot more involved than these. I doubt that there will be a season this year since both sides are so far apart . It will take both sides losing money for them to realize that they need to budge in order to get paid. The only real question here is will the League survive this CBA if we dont have a season?
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 08/09/2011 10:38 PM

    we need the "far from" taken out of this statement
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 08/14/2011 8:44 PM

    i am just going to go ahead and say that there WILL NOT be a season this year.....

    time to get
    NBA Euro-League pass......
    I am a fan of The Blazers ♂, the £-Train, and of course, The ¤ King. ™
  1. cpetitjean3
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    Posted 01/10/2012 6:30 PM

    Looks like you were wrong:(
    I am a fan of of the L-Train and Batman slamming one home, and Wes holstering his 3 goggles!
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