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  1. Andrew
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    Posted 06/24/2011 7:42 PM

    If Dallas choked for a while when they couldnt get out of the first round and couldn't win the finals and all that and now have...doesn't that mean that we would be next?
    I am a fan of winning a championship and never hearing the words jailblazers or bowie again.
  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/24/2011 8:03 PM

    not without andre......
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  1. Tiki Kienle
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    Posted 06/24/2011 8:24 PM

    Posted By TayC on 06/24/2011 8:03 PM
    not without andre......

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  1. chump01284
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    Posted 06/24/2011 8:53 PM

    Posted By Tiki Kienle on 06/24/2011 8:24 PM
    Posted By TayC on 06/24/2011 8:03 PM
    not without andre......


  1. Lapinnoir
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    Posted 06/24/2011 9:07 PM

    CCCCCCCC Combo breaker!

    I do think getting past the first round is an underrated achievement and in someways a lot harder to do for a team like the mavs or us than fighting through the second round.  I will miss andre the man was defiantly a good playoff PG but I think we still have some playoff leaders hidden in our roster.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/25/2011 2:54 AM

    Bromance... again.

    You know Bill Russell left the Celtics, and Magic Johnson left the Lakers. Both teams have won championships since. Andre never got us out of the first round. None of the current Blazers have. That's the fact of the matter, and I believe it's going to take a different Portland team to get to the second round. Is the simple addition of Felton going to get us a championship? No. Is the Andre for Felton deal a step backward? No. But even if it were, at least it's a step. I'd rather see us trying to improve our team and failing than sticking with a team that can't win.
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  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/25/2011 2:59 AM

    Oh... and on the actual thread topic: what Dallas did probably won't be repeated by many teams. Don't let Dallas's--should we call it a Cinderella Story?--give you false hope for the future. We have a lot of work to do, and we should start considering improvements in all pieces of our franchise rather than trying to force everyone to fit, for example, Nate's system.
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  1. barnettfan
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    Posted 06/25/2011 5:15 AM

    Mav's a cinderella story? Best bench in the NBA. More come from behind wins than anyone in the NBA. Na I think you thought they were the grizzlies or something. They were firing on all cylinders through out the playoffs. Cinderella teams do not sweep the Lakers and Cinderella teams do not DOMINATE the Meat in the last 2 games.
     
    As far as us making it to the finals hard to say. Our roster just got shaken up a bit and I do believe it will get shaken up alot more. The problem is will we have a season this year? alot of people predicting maybe 50 games if we are lucky. Short seasons are good for rookies and aging Vets so that will put Lakers,Spurs, Minnesota, and Boston right there.
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  1. commontongue
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    Posted 06/25/2011 9:13 PM

    Courage. Tenacity. Consistency.We need that grimy,nasty cat who does the things this team has been lacking since Brian Grant left. A beast that constantly gets after it.Carl  Landry and Leon Powe come to mind.
    I am a fan of our new roster playing with and for eachother.
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/26/2011 12:02 PM

    Yeah, I know. I would never actually call a 57 win team a Cinderella team. People don't do well with facetious statements in forums, do they?

    Anyway, I think we have a bright future ahead as long as we keep making adjustments on and off the court. After all, there were only two Mavs left from the 2006 Finals, so Dallas obviously wasn't afraid to make changes. Also, I was really impressed with Carlisle's coaching. You can't stage that many comebacks without incredible coaching (alongside some clutch players in Dirk, Terry, and Kidd).
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  1. TayC
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    Posted 06/26/2011 7:53 PM

    Posted By D_pickett on 06/25/2011 2:54 AM
    Bromance... again.

    You know Bill Russell left the Celtics, and Magic Johnson left the Lakers. Both teams have won championships since. Andre never got us out of the first round. None of the current Blazers have. That's the fact of the matter, and I believe it's going to take a different Portland team to get to the second round. Is the simple addition of Felton going to get us a championship? No. Is the Andre for Felton deal a step backward? No. But even if it were, at least it's a step. I'd rather see us trying to improve our team and failing than sticking with a team that can't win.

    i think you just made the mistake of comparing the Blazers to the top two most successful franchises in the NBA...which is cruel because they are on the opposite side of that stick.......
    the reason this team couldnt get out of the first round, has more to do with its coach than it does its players. If comes down to players missing shots, yeah okay, but the rotations/play calling/and overall style of play , to me that has a much bigger effect on a group of guys than individuals missing shots.

    Look at last season, this team had Wesley matthews and G-Dub (wallace) come onto this team and their play without a doubt helped get them into the playoffs, but they are not the offense. neither one of those players have any push or pull on this teams offense. Wallace is in for defense and Matthews is still training to be an elite shooting guard, kid did have a 40 pt game though. But it was obvious that Aldridge brought out the best in this team last year, and what was the most worn out play in this teams playbook, that worked every time no matter the opponent, no matter what the scenario was during a game...... the oop from miller to aldridge........

    Miller runs this offense, he was great in transition, he helped this team pick up their pace, he created for his teammates, he himself may not of had much offensive talent, but he provided that edge this team relied on to beat most of its opponents....

    Now felton, has to come in and not just fill andre's shoes, because apparently his shoes were not big enough, so he has gotta play better and bring out the best in this team, a new team, a team where he has never played before.....

    i still choose Dre.....

    i cannot argue with your desire to see this team change something, i just dont think it is the players.....
    Think of Mike Brown and how him and Bron killed it like EVERY YEAR, and when they lost in the playoffs, next seasons roster had like 2-3 new players.....it wasnt untill he left the whole gosh darn team that he got that much closer to what he wanted.....
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  1. Jose
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    Posted 06/26/2011 10:32 PM

    the alley oop didnt work no matter what... didnt you watch the series vs dallas? sure it worked a few times in game 1 but the mavs saw it and changed their defense accordingly. they just left andre wide open to double team LA everytime he slipped the pick.
  1. D_pickett
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    Posted 06/29/2011 8:50 AM

    Posted By Jose on 06/26/2011 10:32 PM
    the alley oop didnt work no matter what... didnt you watch the series vs dallas? sure it worked a few times in game 1 but the mavs saw it and changed their defense accordingly. they just left andre wide open to double team LA everytime he slipped the pick.

    Yep. And guess what... with Felton, they won't be able to do that because Felton is a legitimate threat from outside.

    TayC, I'll agree with you about the rotation and playcalling. I also hate that, if it's not an inside move or pick and roll with LA, the ONLY other thing this team can do is jack up triples. And they don't shoot a great percentage. I always love when Crash gets a steal or somehow gets a break going, because he'll take it to the hole. They stick him on the perimeter in the half-court and he shoots about 3 for 10 from outside. Same as Wesley.

    Our players have offensive strengths that the system may or may not encourage:

    Aldridge: back-to-basket and pick-and-pop.
    Camby: Passing to the inside and offensive boards/tips
    Wallace: Running, fast-break offense, and quick drives to the hoop.
    Matthews: Head-down take it to the hole or quick release from outside.
    Roy: hesitation dribbling for separation and step back jumpers, finishing with the left, mid-range jumpers.
    Batum: give it to him on the baseline and let him live. Shooting the 3.

    The rest of the guys are either new (Felton and Smith) or haven't been acclimated into the system (Luke, Armon, Patty, E-Will, CJ... Diebler if he makes the roster, Oden when he comes back, Earl Barron).

    I count 6 guys who have a decent sense of their role and 10 question-marks. Problem.
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  1. Jose
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    Posted 06/29/2011 11:24 AM

    oops didnt mean to quote that whole post.

    Coaches can improve too, hes done a good job getting us to the post season so far despite all the injuries. He just needs to expand his playbook and maybe bring in an offensive minded assistant to help with that. He's said in the past that he wants to try and play a more uptempo game, maybe he will actually let them get out and run this year.
    As for rotation. He doesnt like to play inexperienced rookies (ie one and done college players) ad that to all the injuries and its hard to have a set rotation. Since the 2 guys that were drafted are 4 year players from winning programs, he will be more likely to give them a chance.
  1. stacksfan2005
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    Posted 06/29/2011 11:41 AM

    Posted By D_pickett on 06/29/2011 8:50 AM
    Posted By Jose on 06/26/2011 10:32 PM
    the alley oop didnt work no matter what... didnt you watch the series vs dallas? sure it worked a few times in game 1 but the mavs saw it and changed their defense accordingly. they just left andre wide open to double team LA everytime he slipped the pick.



    TayC, I'll agree with you about the rotation and playcalling. I also hate that, if it's not an inside move or pick and roll with LA, the ONLY other thing this team can do is jack up triples. And they don't shoot a great percentage.

    Exactly, and that's just wrong because wallace was a pump fake slasher on the bobcats. that's what we need but for what ever reason, the sytem or wallace himself, changed him into a 3 point shooter. we know he can make some 3's but he hasnt been a shooter his whole career. he needs to drive it in and be a beast like he was on the bobcats. can you imagine a healthy oden and LA in the post, with 2 legit 3 point shooters and a guy that can drive to the hole and pack it in your face?
  1. Jose
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    Posted 06/29/2011 12:05 PM

    Posted By stacksfan2005 on 06/29/2011 11:41 AM
    Posted By D_pickett on 06/29/2011 8:50 AM
    Posted By Jose on 06/26/2011 10:32 PM
    the alley oop didnt work no matter what... didnt you watch the series vs dallas? sure it worked a few times in game 1 but the mavs saw it and changed their defense accordingly. they just left andre wide open to double team LA everytime he slipped the pick.



    TayC, I'll agree with you about the rotation and playcalling. I also hate that, if it's not an inside move or pick and roll with LA, the ONLY other thing this team can do is jack up triples. And they don't shoot a great percentage.

    Exactly, and that's just wrong because wallace was a pump fake slasher on the bobcats. that's what we need but for what ever reason, the sytem or wallace himself, changed him into a 3 point shooter. we know he can make some 3's but he hasnt been a shooter his whole career. he needs to drive it in and be a beast like he was on the bobcats. can you imagine a healthy oden and LA in the post, with 2 legit 3 point shooters and a guy that can drive to the hole and pack it in your face?
    I think Wallace shot the 3 better this year than he did in the past years with the bobcats and I would have rather seen him shoot it than Andre or Rudy lol. I agree though, he needs to get to the rim to really be effective. Against the Mavs it wasnt much of an option though because they played alot of 2-3 zone. 

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