Curry Rumor?
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/03/2009 1:35 PM

    So what do you think of the rumor that KP is trying to trade up to draft Stephan Curry? The common perception is we would have to move past New York at No. 8 to get him. Most talk also says the Wolves are said to be open to trading any of their picks including the No. 6 pick, and Washington will try and move the No. 5 pick for a veteran if they can't land Griffin. The Kings would be the only team that would be a threat to draft Curry at No. 4 if they can't move up.

    So here's the real debate: how good do you think Curry is? (My answer: great, just watch his March Madness run two years ago when he shared ball handling duties.) The second question is would it be worth it to give up what we would have to in order to get him? (Probably swap first-rounders, and some combination of young players/rights to our young players we have stashed in Europe, and Bayless/Sergio/Blake/Outlarw/Webster/Batum or whoever.)
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  1. Hardwoodballer7
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    Posted 06/03/2009 3:39 PM

    I think Curry would be great hes a heck of a 3 point shooter good ball handler and i can see him playing aside with Roy! i also think KP should get Ricky Rubio!! if we have a chance to get Ricky or Curry i would Get Ricky!!! common KP get Ricky Rubio!!!
  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/03/2009 4:21 PM

    I disagree. The problem with Rubio is that he is SO young, he hasn't filled out and doesn't have great strength. He lacks explosive athleticism, is a poor outside shooter, and isn't laterally quick. Because of his play in the olympics and his tremendous upside (he's 6'4" and hasn't filled out yet), teams are value his potential and upside much more than they do Curry's. Consequently, it would cost us much more to trade up to get Rubio than it would to get Curry, and Curry, at least in my opinion, is a better fit than Rubio.

    Arguably, with Curry (6'3") and Roy (6'6"), we'd still have size in the backcourt, and would have not one, but two floor generals who can both create for others and shoot the lights out. They would be able to open the court up for LA and Oden/Pryzbilla down low. This would force defenders to stay home on our shooters and would free up Oden and Pryzbilla to do some damage. This, of course, puts pressure on Oden to grow up and improve his game quickly if we want to go far in the playoffs. The problem with Rubio for this team, is that when Roy has the ball and creates for everyone else opposing defenders can lag off Rubio to defend our other shooters (this problem is amplified when our best defender, Batum, is on the floor because he is not the strongest of shooters yet). Curry gives us someone who is an exceptional shooter, will get stronger, is a good passer (5.6 AST last year), and rebounds well for his size.

    He would form a dynamic backcourt with Roy, and would give KP trade bait with Sergio, Bayless and Blake. And we all know how KP loves him some trades. The nice part about this is we can always sell high on Bayless and trade him, because my dream scenario is to have Blake stay on for at least this year to help Curry grow as a PG.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 06/03/2009 6:43 PM

    The problem with Rubio, Curry, Koponen, Beaubois or any other pg that will be mentioned in Blazer rumors until the draft, is that I don't see Nate giving a rookie pg any significant playing time. Or a rookie pg making a big enough impact to put the Blazers over the top.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/03/2009 6:56 PM

    I agree with three of those. Koponen has played three years in Blazers camps. He has experince against NBA players, he has played the last year overseas battling Earl Boykins. I think he could come in as the third string and be a positive addition. In another two years you will have your future pretty much figured out. You will know who will be that PG of the future and you will have great trading chip in the other whether it be Bayless or Koponen. I think all the others you are playing roulette, but Koponen barely got edged out by Batum going into the season and with so many FA leaving this year and a probable opening at the third string PG, I don't think you pass on him.
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/04/2009 10:23 AM

    Kim, the reason I disagree with you is coaches usually have a philosophy about playing rookies: either they hate playing them or they play the best player, regardless of salary/age/experience or whatever. (Except in the case of the Clippers' Mike Dunleavy, who has no coaching philosophy whatsoever.) Nate is a coach who doesn't mind playing rookies and giving them significant playing time. Examples include Brandon Roy (started 55 of 57 games his rookie season), LaMarcus Aldridge (only started 22 game, but averaged 22 MPG), Greg Oden (although he couldn't stay on the court, being both a foul machine and injury plagued), and NIcolas Batum (who started 75 out of 79 games he played in last year).

    I agree with your second point, however: a rookie PG won't put us over the top. But that's why basketball is a team sport. We have question marks at the 1, 3, and 5 spots, with PG being the biggest enigma. With Martell coming back from his foot injury, him and Batum complement each other perfectly at the 3, with Rudy probably also getting some minutes there. We have so many foreign assets and young players that will never see significant playing time in a Blazers uniform that I believe we should use some of them and some expiring contracts in a bad economy to get a guy like Curry who can shoot the lights out of the ball and significantly improve our backcourt in terms of ball-handling, being able to create shots for themselves and others, and pass it around. We aren't going to be back in the lottery for over a decade (barring injury(ies)), and i think we need to use the fact that we have a first round and 4 second round picks and a ton of young assets to go and get a guy who will be Roy's backcourt mate for the next 12 years.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 06/04/2009 12:40 PM

    Roy and LA are in a class alone, and we got very lucky with Batum. He would not have started or played nearly as many minutes, if Martell was not injured. Even the " experts " would never have quessed that a rookie from France would have been the Blazers best defender last season.
    PG is the hardest position to learn, and Nate is the hardest on them. I still say no to a rookie pg, this is a weak draft, go for a veteran. But, we will see what happens.
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/04/2009 1:43 PM

    The fact this is a "weak" draft class is irrelevant to this particular discussion. When all of the coaches, GM's, scouts, and the various media personnel (beat writes, experts) use the term "weak draft", they are referring to the number of "impact players", or potential impact players in a draft. The best example is to take the 2003 draft and compare it with this year's draft. The 2003 draft had the likes of Lebron James, Carmello Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, Chris Kaman, Kirk Hinrich, T.J. Ford, Jarvis Hayes, David West, Boris Diaw, Travis Outlaw, Kendrick Perkins, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard, Steve Blake, Mo Williams, and Kyle Korver. By contrast, the common perception is the only "sure thing" in this draft is going to be Blake Griffen.

    However, that doesn't mean there aren't going to be quality players at the top of the draft. It just means that the 30th pick of the first round is very likely not going to be an All-Star, unlike in 2003 (Josh Howard). The fact this is a weak draft doesn't mean that players that are available from picks 1-12 aren't going to be good or very good. A specific player that we think might be good and be a great fit for our team is absolutely worth targeting, wether it's a weak or a strong draft. The point of the draft (and free agency and trades), is to build your team to win a championship, and you have to maximize your assets in order to fill the needs of your team.

    In this case, we have to look around at the free agent landscape and who is on the trading block. And currently, there are no veteran PGs worth acquiring to make our team significantly better in the short OR long term (Mike Bibby, Ramon Sessions, Andre Miller? Really? Come on. And if you think CP3, Deron Williams, Jose Calderon, Devin Herris, or Rajon Rando will be available without giving up Roy, Rudy, or LA, you're either a compete moron or I want a bowl of whatever you're smoking.) So why not maximize the surplus of assets, draft picks, cash and cap space we have to jump up to the front of the draft to get the PG that would really fit our team needs? Even better, he will be with us for the next 12 years, and could be a building block of multiple championship teams. In a year with a weak draft, an even weaker free agent class, and when NO ONE is available via trade that is even worth giving up the Blazer Dancers for, we should jump up to the top of the draft to get Curry.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/04/2009 1:58 PM

    As much as I agree with your break down of the weak draft class, I still don't feel comfortable giving up what it would probably take to get up that high for an unknown commodoty. As much as your stat lines show him as an All-Star, even if it some of them are against the best players in College, it is still College and not the NBA. If KP can get a sweet deal to move up, fine, but I don't think every team is going to over charge KP for everything because they don't want to be the victim of a Pritchslap. No team wants to make headlines as the team KP got the best of again this offseason so there are no "deals" coming Portland's way. If I am going to overpay, I better be darn sure of what I am getting. I feel better overpaying for choice steak at a fancy restaurant with a reputation than I do being overcharged for a chicken sandwhich at a beach side shack in St. Martin (true story, don't go there). Like I said, if KP can get a sweet deal then go for it, otherwise go for a decent veteran.
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/04/2009 2:32 PM

    I think you missed the point of the last half of my last response. There are NO decent veterans available that are better than Blake that are worth getting, either via trade or free agency; any FA we could get would be expensive, and there are no good PG's on the trading block. Who would you get that would be better than Blake, at least for the next year or two?

    I think in this down economy, we should be using the fact that we are one of the only teams with cap space AND young assets/players AND cash AND multiple draft pics to try and trade up and draft someone who will be a GREAT PG/combo guard after having a year or two under Blake to learn the position and really get a feel for the NBA game. We're overstocked at SF, and if you think there are any C worth getting in this draft then you're kidding yourself.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 06/04/2009 2:40 PM

    I like Curry , but he is 15 pounds lighter than Bayless, same height, with similar wingspan. We saw how hard it was for Chacho to get through screens last season. How do you think Curry will do ? I want to improve the Blazer weakness, not start another project.

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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/04/2009 3:14 PM

    His weight doesn't matter. Curry's father, Dell, enjoyed a 15-year NBA career with a similar body type in a VASTLY more physical era of play. Fifteen pounds can be put on between draft night and Summer League. The fact is Curry has a much higher basketball IQ than Bayless, is arguably a better shooter, and is a MUCH better ball handler/passer and has better floor vision. In short, a much better PG prospect and complement to B-Roy. But here's my question: Kim, you and RipCityRevival keep saying you want to fix the Blazers' weaknesses, and get a veteran PG for this season. But WHO?? WHO WOULD YOU GET?? There is no one who is available, either though free agency or via trade that would not completely break the bank to improve our team.
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  1. Kim~
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    Posted 06/04/2009 4:39 PM

    Curry is thin, his ability to get through screens would matter to me. His father won't be the one playing....

    It's not up to me, and it's not my pocket the $ for someone like Kidd would come from. Blake isn't going anywhere, you can argue he is just as good as what we have seen available. You also have to take into consideration how much Roy plays pg. I believe there may be more available than what we have been fed by the media so far. KP likes to hit his target while he has everyone looking the other way.

    I would have liked to see more Bayless playing with Roy and less Chacho last season, then I could say for sure whether or not I think it would be worth it to bring in Kidd to help develop Bayless.
    I want to stop the merry go round of pgs who come in and ride the bench their rookie season, then get traded for the next rookie to come in , who is supposed to be that much better. It hasn't worked in the last 3 years. So again, I'm not feeling a rookie pg PERIOD, even if I like the player . Agree to disagree.

    Who that player is ? It's up to KP and crew, that's why they make the big bucks. We'll see.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/04/2009 10:58 PM

    I have to agree with Kim. I know that doesn't surprise you, but you really need to let go of this man crush on Curry and look at it from a more realistic stand point. The reality is that more players in the NBA are really available than there are unavailable. There is a huge market value on value players like TO, Blake, Bayless, and Sergio (believe it or not). Remember, most teams in the NBA had a hard time selling out games last season. They are hemoraging money and need to either win big, or make paycuts. With the trade exception, capspace, and all their draft picks, they could give a lot of value to teams. The Blazers did an awesome thing for themselves by not trading Raef at the deadline. They now have that much salary coming off the books. I swear KP sees the future, I think he has his phone psychic on speed dial. Anyway, there are players like Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, who are veteran PGs in the waning years of their career who eat up a lot of money for a couple of years. Portland can afford to do pay them especially when you considder a trade vs. buying off Free Agency. You could also get a quality proven PG like Mike Conley. Even Free agents are available on a sign and trade. I think you are looking a little too shallow given the current economic circumstances.

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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 06/06/2009 10:46 AM

    Mike Conley is a proven pg? Since when? His team hasn't done jack squat.

    As far as this Curry thing goes, I'll pass. Curry is a good player and he'll probably be a good shooter in the league, but really we have our PG in our bench working out this summer. Name is Jerryd Bayless. Give him a chance next year to actually play. Like Rodriguez he got his chance and showed what he can do throughout a season. Give Bayless a chance.

    As far as veteran Pgs, unless Jason Kidd wants to retire and be an assistant coach we'll pass on this free agency for pgs. I can stick with Blake another season while Bayless develops.
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  1. Hardwoodballer7
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    Posted 06/06/2009 10:48 AM

    Idk why people are saying they want Jason Kidd on the team common man hes washed up!! we dont need him on our Blazer team! I dont want andre Miller neither hes washed up so is mike bibby . i think we go affter Ricky Rubio just get it done KP!!! i mean i would get it if we went after deron williams or Steve Nash but we all know that aint gonna happen!! so KP Get Ricky Rubio!!!
  1. Bertram
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    Posted 06/06/2009 10:50 AM

    Nash is washed up too. You see how his season went playing half-court sets. Not very good. And stop your love for Ricky Rubio. He'll be garbage in the NBA, it'll be like having a Sergio Rodriguez again. I don't expect anything from Rubio at all.
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  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/06/2009 2:39 PM

    Umm...Bertram, how can you POSSIBLY say Rubio will be garbage? HE LED THE SPANISH NATIONAL TEAM TO THE SILVER MEDAL AT THE OLYMPICS LAST YEAR AS A 17-YEAR-OLD!!! He's still growing up and improving his shooting and getting bigger and better!! The only reason I don't want him is because it would cost too much to move up and get him, not because he wouldn't be good.

    And thank you people for finally talking sense!!! Kidd, Nash, Bibby, THEY ARE ALL WASHED UP!!! None of them can play ANY defense. The last thing we need is an old, super expensive, no D vet PG on this team.
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  1. Hardwoodballer7
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    Posted 06/06/2009 10:52 PM

    haha funny guy my Love for Rubio Dude hes 18 years old!! been playing pro ball at 14!! hes way better than blake even though i do like blake but hes better as a back up he will be a good backup!! im telling u whoever gets this guy is gonna have a heck of a point guard thats what we need in this team someone who can penetrate and give godd passes. He aint no sergio hes way better Ricky actually plays Defense!!
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/07/2009 6:38 AM

    Okay, lets not put Rubio on a pedestal just yet. It was Jose Calderon that led the Spanish team to a silver medal at the Olympics. More specifically, it was Calderon, Gasol, and RUUUUUUUUDDYYYYY, that led them to a silver medal. In order to get Rubio, we would have to give up Rudy, and that isn't a move I am willing to make. Rubio came off the bench at the Olympics and looked decent, not great. You can expect the same thing from him in the NBA until he gets some muscle put on him. Defense doesn't do much in the NBA if you don't have the size to back it up. You just get fouls called on you a lot. Rubio is probably two to three years from being an ELITE pg in the NBA on size and experience alone. His skills are there, but size and experience are what he will need. In my opinion, in two to three years, we should already have a Western Conference banner or two hanging in the RG and a championship banner after three years. Rubio is about a season behind our curve. I'm not going to give up Rudy (best player from Spain in the NBA) for Rubio (an undersized, unproven pg). I watched the Olympics because I wanted to judge Rudy, and I saw promise in Rubio, but I didn't see anyone that was really NBA ready.
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  1. Hardwoodballer7
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    Posted 06/07/2009 10:06 AM

    i mean i rather take a chance on RUBIO then bringing in Andre Miller,Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby. those guys are washed up!! I dont think we have to give up Rudy for ricky we can give up bayless some picks or somebody else but i mean KP knows what hes doing whatever he doe si hope he gets someone who can push us tot he next level. I'm from Tx and Blazers are my team.
  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 06/15/2009 11:10 PM

    I think this is the classic KP smokescreen. Curry is not better than Bayless, so why go after him? He wouldn't be bad along side Roy, but I am a huge Bayless fan and think he'll be even better along Brandon. Bayless' work ethic is just insane and by that fact, I see him becoming a star.
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