09-10 draft moves for the blazers
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  1. blazer24
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    Posted 05/27/2009 8:29 PM

    I think that the best case scenario for the Blazers is if Jordan Hill slips to the 5 pick with the Wizrds, we trade Sergio/Travis/1st round pick/2nd round pick for wizards 5 pick (Jordan Hill)/and Caron Butler, or Deshawn Stevenson. Id rather get Butler, but if we got stevenson he could play more 2 gaurd and Webster acn play more 3 gaurd. What do u guys all think, if im right, or your own predictions
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 05/27/2009 10:26 PM

    I would rather Rudy still be my back up 2. I think people need to stop looking at the 3 position as something that needs to be filled this year. We need to know what Martel can do. Maybe we trade TO, fine, but we still have Batum coming in off the bench and Martel is most likely a large upgrade at the 3. So why force the issue. I think that there is an opportunity to upgrade temporarily at the PG, but that doesn't mean Blake should be dealt. I also think that Travis playing the 4 off the bench with Batum and Rudy would be a dynamic combination of offensive firepower and atheletic defensive ability that would cause a lot of match up problems against other teams. It spreads the floor with a lot of guys that CAN follow their shots. The least likely of them all being Travis. I think most trades this year should be about maybe moving Outlaw and some assets for a proven BACKUP PF, or an AMAZING Veteran PG for a short term deal to close out their career. Other than that, they should fill in their roster guys that will be long term bench rider projects. Every other position is too full to really spend much time worrying about.
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  1. DHawes22
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    Posted 05/28/2009 1:31 PM

    I doubt WAS goes for that trade proposal.
    We need to target DeJaun Blair in the draft. Trade up a bit to get him.
    He would be our next BG..Buck..and has an immense wingspan.
    We need rebounding and toughness and he provides that.
    Make it happen KP!
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  1. KingKoopa
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    Posted 05/28/2009 8:50 PM

    Blair is too short for my tastes. I hope any move we make brings us players that are already succeeding at the NBA level, we don't need any more youngsters. Not to mention, this draft class is poor, I'd hate to move significantly valuable pieces just to get an unproven prospect out of a shallow draft. My 2c.
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  1. sbarnes3
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    Posted 05/28/2009 10:49 PM

    All the Blazers need is a backup 4 and a future point guard. Take Patty Mills with the 24 pick. He has proven he can play at a proffesional level. As for the backup 4, I think Derrick Brown from Xavier is worth the risk. Let Brian Grant mentor him and hope he graduated from the David West School of Basketball. KP has made his living building through the draft, now is not the time to switch things up.
  1. KingKoopa
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    Posted 05/28/2009 10:56 PM

    To make an analogy, just because KP has been getting by eating hamburgers doesn't mean it'd be bad for him to try a tasty steak on occasion.

    Draft = lousy, undercooked burger

    Veteran trade = delicious, tasty steak

    :)
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  1. sbarnes3
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    Posted 05/30/2009 12:16 PM

    worst analogy ever
  1. KingKoopa
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    Posted 05/30/2009 1:13 PM

    hahahahaha, nice. :)
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  1. broyzers
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    Posted 05/31/2009 1:49 PM

    i liked what i heard from canzano on the radio the other day. ramont sessions from milluakie is a free agent with game and they already have luke rid. locked up in a contract. sessions could be ours without giving any vital peices. kid had a 44 point game last season too. had a 24 assist game too. athletic. gots dunks. great vision. him and blake would be solid while theyre fingering out what the hell they wanna do with bayless

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcAq7p6tdQQ&NR=1

  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/02/2009 2:58 PM

    This was posted in the by the Charolette Observer. Some of the conversation following it was pretty rediculous and involved us trading them Rudy. LOL. So I just kept the body of the article.

    "June 02, 2009
    Portland has eyes for Curry
    Don't be surprised if the Portland Trail Blazers trade into the lottery, looking to acquire Davidson's Stephen Curry.

    The way I hear it, the Blazers (currently picking 24th) are nosing around to trade up and have Curry in their sights. Enough teams are willing to deal down that this is a real possibility. And it would be great for Curry in this regard:

    A long-time NBA scout told me months ago that the ideal situation for Curry is to play point guard on a team with a shooting guard who can also handle the ball. That would allow Curry to spot up some, and maximize the impact of his shooting.

    The Blazers have just such a player in Brandon Roy. Strikes me as a great match of a player and a system.

    Posted by Observer Sports on June 2, 2009 at 10:59 AM | Permalink"
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/02/2009 3:14 PM

    ESPN insider Chad Ford said from what he hears the Blazers are shopping the 24th pick to the highest bidder and trying to get some extra cap flexibility.
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  1. Bendshz
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    Posted 06/02/2009 4:12 PM

    B-Roy is a great ball handler....but he is getting beat up with all the driving he is doing. I'd rather look for someone who can drive and dish and be a floor leader to take some pressure off Roy so we can save him for later in the season and later in games. I really like what Stephon Curry can do but we don't need another shooting guard stuck in a point guards body. If I was going to trade up for a point guard in this draft I would personally go for Johnny Flynn. I think he will be a better penetrator at the NBA level than a lot of the other guys in this draft. The only problem is we would have to give quite a bit to get up that high in the draft. Plus what kind of a message does that send to Bayless who is a similar version, I believe, of the player Curry is. Right now though I think it would be best to look for a veteran point man to trade for in the form of an Andre Miller possibly. That's just my 2 cents though.
  1. Bendshz
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    Posted 06/02/2009 4:20 PM

    I disagree with that article. For one even though B-Roy is a great ball handler. He also takes a beating from all the driving to the rim he does. I want to take the pressure to run this offense off Roy a little more rather than just pile it on. That may be the ideal situation for Curry but I don't believe it is ideal for us. Curry is another 2 guard stuck in a point guards body...kinda like Bayless. I feel we need a point guard that can drive to the rim and has good floor vision. So if we traded up in the draft I would rather go get say a Johnny Flynn because he has the speed and can develop into a good floor leader. Drafting another point guard though would send a bad message to Bayless. I think the best idea is trying to find a vet PG like an Andre Miller who can be a floor leader and take pressure off Roy to handle the rock so much.
  1. Bendshz
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    Posted 06/02/2009 4:23 PM

    Sorry for the double post the first time I tried to reply to another post it said some error occurred so I thought my reply hadn't gone thru.
  1. Travis
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    Posted 06/02/2009 8:51 PM

    I was just linked to a Charlotte news paper discussion from hoops hype that said the Blazers have interest in trading up to get Stephen Curry around 12. They said he would be a perfect match for Roy because Roy handle the ball some giving him a chance to spot up shoot. I was just wondering if anyone heard anything about this and opinions on this. If it is true it could mean a short life hear for Bayless.
    I am a fan of a run at those rings in 2011 when GO comes back to dominate!!!!!!!!!!!
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/02/2009 11:34 PM

    Yeah, I read the same artice. I posted it in this thread earlier this morning. Obviously KP is exploring ALL possibilities, woud you expect anything less from him? I am sure there is some validity to the talks, am I too confident that they will come to light on draft day? No, I'm not. I don't think it changes what we already have. I agree that a veteran PG would be a better addition at this time then another draft project.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/03/2009 12:45 AM

    Stephen Curry's the bomb! But then then Blazers would have p.t. issues again at point gaurd.
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  1. Bertram
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    Posted 06/03/2009 1:59 AM

    AS much as I loved watching Stephon Curry in college (He's actually one of my favorite college ball players for the last 2 years), I think we should stick with what we have at point guard. Unless of course a no-brainer comes along (such as a Steve Blake plus change[Outlaw, trade exception cash lol, and Sergio] for say a D-Will, or CP3). Steve Blake has a couple more productive years in him I believe and that should be ample enough time for us to see if Jerryd Bayless can really run this team (and I think he can with a little more mentoring.

    People forget that last off-season we pretty much played him as a 2 guard instead of a point guard so he didn't get much mentoring time with that position. This off-season it's different. Jerryd seems very very coachable and he will learn. Something tells me he will be very special for this team.

    I am a fan of B-Roy and LaMonster!
  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/04/2009 10:56 AM

    I've posted my thoughts extensively on Curry being the PG of the future over on this post: http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/MessageBoardRoot/tabid/158/aff/376/afv/topic/aft/367/Default.aspx

    However, for those of you saying Curry is merely "a SG stuck in a PG's body", you're dead wrong. For comparative purposes, look at these to stat lines from last year:

    Player A: 11 PTS, 5 AST, 1 STL, 1.6 TO, 2.5 RBD, .428 FG%, .427 3P%, .840 FT%.
    Player B: 28.6 PTS, 5.6 AST, 2.5 STL, 3.7 TO, 4.4 RBD, .454 FG%, .387 3P%, .876 FT%.

    Player A is Blake's stat line from last year, and Player B is Curry's. Yes, Curry's stats did not come against the top-flight competition in the country, but they do show some interesting points.

    First, he is an amazing shooter. that is shown by his extraordinarily high shooting percentages and his high PPG. Second, he is NOT a "SG stuck in a PG body". When he took over the PG roll last season at Davidson, his AST went up from 2.9 to 5.6. Blake, a fine PG by most measurable standards and popular opinion on this site, averaged 5 last year.
    Third, many will point out that his TO rate is alarmingly high for a PG, but remember, he has only played one year at PG. Give him a season or half a season under Blake's tutelage and that number WILL go down.
    Fourth, his 3P% WILL go up on the Blazers. Last year he was on a Davidson team that was not as good as the one that went on the Cinderella run 2 years ago, and was forced to hoist up more treys last year (think Dwayne Wade every year). If we draft him, he won't need to shoot as many bad threes and shot-clock saving threes, and will have a much better shot selection as he is surrounded by better players and shooters.

    He makes sense based on stats alone, and for his style of play, makes sense for the Blazers as well. Many people have called for Roy to be more of a combo guard, or to make him an outright PG, but this maximizes both Roy AND Curry's talents.
    I am a fan of B-Roy changing EVERYTHING.
  1. kvin2
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    Posted 06/04/2009 11:38 AM

    As an addendum, here are Curry's stat lines against the top-flight competition last year:

    March 17 (NIT) at South Carolina (W): 32 PTS, 3 RBD, 3 AST, 2 STL, 1 BLK, 7 TO.
    Nov. 18 at No. 14 Oklahoma (L): 44 PTS, 3 RBD, 3 AST, 2 STL, 3 TO.
    Dec. 6 vs North Carolina State (W): 44 PTS, 2 RBD, 3 AST, 3 STL, 4 TO.
    Dec. 9 vs West Virginia (W): 27 PTS, 4 RBD, 10 AST, 4 STL, 2 BLK, 8 TO.
    Dec. 20, at No. 18 Purdue (L): 13 PTS, 8 RBD, 6 AST, 3 STL, 6 TO.
    Jan. 7, at No. 2 Duke (L): 29 PTS, 8 RBD, 6 AST, 2 STL, 7 TO.
    Feb. 21, vs No. 22 Butler (L): 20 PTS, 5 RBD, 6 AST, 2 STL, 7 TO.

    These numbers show that he has great promise and can absolutely play against the top-flight competition. Yes, he has a propensity to turn the ball over a lot against the best teams, but that is because he was Davidson's best player and was asked to do so much more in those games, and had so little help around him against vastly better teams. Given time, his TOs will go down as he gets more used to handling more of the load.
    I am a fan of B-Roy changing EVERYTHING.
  1. monopoman
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    Posted 06/04/2009 9:10 PM

    Might be a horrible analogy but its true STOP with this team getting younger.

    We need a vet to get to that next level period. Either that or we wait 3 years before we make our own vets.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/04/2009 11:01 PM

    Right, and miss our Championship window. We need to move now before OKC, and Memphis get good enough to challenge for Playoff spots.
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  1. Travis
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    Posted 06/05/2009 2:25 AM

    I understand your point about wanting vets but we could also bring in vets not hit get rings and risk having ot change out vets and starting over. I think the players we have with a few small tweaks no matter the age will make a legitmate run within three years. The only vets that will make us a contender immediately are super stars we cannot get. Not to mention not all stars mentor new players to becoming better actually the opposite the opposite the stop there developement. I think are player LA and Roy will become the stars on the own and if pryz can rub off he dfense on ODEN then he will be a top 5 center in the league and Batum promising at the 3. There is so much talent on this team it is crazy. They will develope and be awesome I do not want to tarnish that by bringing in almost anyone. There are few player in the league that I like as people to bring them into the city. maybe I am just not willing to sell out to win a ring. I know this is scrambled bu I think you can pull out the key points. 1 this team is awesome no major changes(small pieces unless some how we get CP3 or Rudy gay Mike conley to name a few that are good people and good players) 2. Do not sell out and get kidd or vince Carter please.
    I am a fan of a run at those rings in 2011 when GO comes back to dominate!!!!!!!!!!!
  1. monopoman
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    Posted 06/05/2009 1:31 PM

    When we ask for a vet obviously we want certain vets only.

    Guys like Turkoglu here is a contender that doesn't demand the spotlight and plays a solid game. We really do lack a strong SF since Batum needs time to develop and Webster can play both SG or SF.

    I actually would be more inclined not to have a superstar on this team but a veteran that can make us better in multiple ways.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/05/2009 11:27 PM

    I would be OK with Hedo, but not exstatic. He needs to start and I really want to see Martel there. I would be happier to see them persue Rony Turiaff for the back up PF position. I have kind've a man crush on the guy after watching him play the last couple years. He would compliment our team really well and he has the character that would fit in here in Rip City. He's Travis, accept bigger, tougher, and crashes the boards. Not AS good of a jump shooter but we want him in the post anyway. He is a second unit player and he plays hard every night. Plus him and Batum would be like the French Revolution. I think that would be a great get for the Blazers, but I doubt they are looking that direction with all the sexy choices being thrown at them. Sort of a smoke screen to the eyes of the Blazers.
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  1. SithLord13
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    Posted 06/06/2009 3:09 AM

    We need to grab at least 2 vets for instant success. Star names aren't really needed. We already have ours. We need a guard who can move this team forward and a strong forward who can contribute at multiple positions. There's no way that Webster can help out from the beginning. He had a terrible injury and hasn't played for a whole year. He will be a solid backup most of this year and possibly a contender for the 6th man. I would love to pick up Hedo. He's the guy that we exactly need. He has played in contending teams like Kings and Spurs as well as being one of the leaders for the Magic on their path to the finals. He doesn't demand too much attention and knows the game very well. He's also not expensive with his current deal and some improvement will still be an acceptable amount. But IMO our biggest priority should be the PG position. There's no way we can do anything without an experienced player leading us. Bayless is the future but not the near future and there's a chance that he'll never be our leader unless he has someone to teach him. I would love to bring in Kidd and think that he would come here if we grab one or two solid FAs and show people that we are trying to contend intensely. Bayless can learn a lot from him and take the starting job in a couple years.

    For the draft we don't really have any flashy picks and might not get anyone worth considering if we stay put. However there is almost no depth and we have to give up a lot to move up. Jordan Hill or Stephen Curry are guys that I would love pick up but the price will matter mostly. Travis and even Webster should be trade baits but Webster will not warrant a high value unless some other team is sure that he'll be fully recovered.
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  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/06/2009 10:42 AM

    I stopped reading your post after you said Webster is a back up. The dude was injured, he wasn't in freaking coma. He's been shooting still and he's lethal from what I hear. He was still around the team all season. He has been cleared to do cardio to get back in shape, and he will be doing contact before training camp even starts. He will have solidified his starting position by the time the regular season starts. To say he will be a solid back-up for "most of the season" is absolutely rediculous. If anything he will have a years worth of proving himself to chumps like you to motivate him to do just that. Webster is a tireless worker and as soon he will be the starting SF in preseason and regular season. They would be dumb to do otherwise. Wait and see, the guy is going to have a coming out party at some point this season that will vault him into a new stratasphere.
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  1. monopoman
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    Posted 06/07/2009 9:27 PM

    Well hopefully people were watching the finals because the most impressive player on the court tonight at the end of that game was without a doubt Hedo.

    I watched him strip the ball twice from Kobe with a very clutch defensive play. Orlando owes that shot to win that game to Hedo big time. Sure LA won anyways and it really didn't end up mattering but you have to respect his play a lot.
  1. RipCityRevival
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    Posted 06/07/2009 9:59 PM

    I respect Hedo a LOT. I am just saying, Martel is going to be awesome this year, he will need to get his confidence bck and the best way to do that certainly is not to bring in another player who demands to be a starter at the same position as him. Martel deserves it, to bring in Hedo would not be what is best in the long term, just for this coming season it would be. I am not willing to jeopardize the longterm though.
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  1. Tobyus Sanchezo
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    Posted 06/08/2009 1:42 AM

    TURKEY-GLUE !!!
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